Rand Paul is how you are supposed to disagree with President Trump. Support the president when you agree and than say why you disagree with the President by using the Constitution.
Neither are afraid of blunt conversation. They talk and aren't afraid to disagree. The friction in their discourse is what sparks great ideas. It's what we're supposed to be about. That's why folks on our side of the aisle can have debates and disagreements while folks on the other end "eat themselves" when the going gets tough.
The problem is its hard to have the luxury to have friction in our inter-party discord when the Democrats are mounting a heavily unified front working to usher in communism in America. I agree with Rand Paul far more than I agree with President Trump (with the exception of Rand Paul's seeming tolerance for illegal immigration) but I think Paul needs to step back and see the bigger every once in awhile.
Successfully opposing communism doesn’t involve re-enacting it from a different standpoint. Successfully opposing communism involves being and acting free.
Absolutely. The disagreements should be in private. Paul seems to not understand how that undermines the president and gives comfort to the left. That's the shit I do not support him on.
Paul is right on immigration if you take it with his policies. If there is no welfare state you wont have to worry about immigrants. Its actually what made the US great the first time. Id agree though that first you have to dismantle the welfare warfare state then you can open borders and only hard working and entrepreneurial people will come. Plus youll ha e the benefit that the lazy will leave flocking to more socialist places like Canada and Europe.
Rubbish. I've seen people on here shut down discourse just as bad as the left. "Trump did it so it's infallible" is not an argument. "This is a pro-Trump website so you must only post information that's pro-Trump. Do not post information that goes against Trump, even if it's true" is hypocrisy.
This site is not a free speech haven. It is meant to be a pro-Trump site.
Would you go to a Trump rally and yell out loud about the 1 thing your disagree with Trump over?
Problem is, the nanosecond we start allowing the concerns, disagreements, “I support Trump, but...” statements - the left floods in like a tidal wave of concerns and vitriol.
They also come here constantly posing as Trump supporters that act lukewarm or turn on Trump.
I’m sorry if you are looking for a free speech haven. Voat, 4chan, etc have got you covered. This site and our precursor on Reddit never pretended to be other than a 24/7 trump rally. Complaints about Trump belong elsewhere.
Problem with pure free speech is that bad actors come in and post illegal content or larp as a nazi till they get the site shut down.
I've seen it over and over. Free speech is beaten by actors pretending to be the worst things in society while simultaneously demanding that the site be shut down. They brigade and manipulate companies till they get what they want.
At some point you have to kick the people drilling holes in your ship off the ship.
They have a narrative and pushing the narrative is the most important thing. Even if they have to create the thing they are fighting to prove that you support NAZIs. I know I've been on the other side. All you have to do is play both sides at the same time to prove your side right.
Thanks for your reasonable comment. I wouldn't yell out loud about the 1 thing I disagree with him over, but rather if a individual conversation steered in that direction, I wouldn't object to it. But your other points are sound.
Probably everyone who supports the President disagrees with him about something. I have a few things on my personal list which drives me crazy when I see he touts them. But the point is, we find the President has an agenda where we all probably agree with him 80% of the time or more, and it really doesn't get much better than that. He's the common sense, no nonsense, pro-America President, with a background in managing large complicated situations effectively, which we need.
Since this is supposed to be a pro-Trump site, we shouldn't be starting posts that are negative about the Presidents views on different topics. Rather we can start discussions as to "why" the President has a particular view, so we can understand that view better and debate it on its merits.
If we think we disagree because we have some information on a topic that the President does not have, we should see what we can do to provide that information to the President. More than any other, we see he acts on information when it makes sense to do so.
This isn't "The Last Bastion of Free Speech", like reddit claimed to be for 10+years. This is a Pro-Trump website and therefore the content here will be pro-Trump. There are plenty of 4chan's and Owen Benjamin streams praising Islam and dishing on Trump to be found if you so desire.
The problem with arguing with people like you is there is hardly an in between. If you think criticism to Trump should be open game, then you must also be an Islamist or perpetually hates Trump. I am neither. I am just someone who likes to debate issues, pro or anti-Trump.
But I can't argue that you said it isn't a free speech haven. You're right: No one professed it was so I lost that one.
My argument is simply that there are plenty of other places where conservatives gather that you can say negative(honest) things about Trump and be a lot more well received. This isn't the place for it, here it comes of as concern trolling. "Hey fellow Caterpillars, I really like Trump, but...(Insert whatever you want here)". The simple truth of the matter is that Trump is the best option there is. Look at the other options we have been faced with, Romney, Obama, McCain, Jeb, Biden, Socialist Bernie, Psycho Hillary, Angry Warren, Kamalla Harris, Boomerberg, the list goes on and on of terrible people who are literal pieces of shit that only have their own agenda in mind. Does Trump do some things I, you and everyone here don't like, sure, but that isn't what here is about. This place is about propping up and cheering on our(America, and its people's) best option for president and leadership in this country. You want to get angry about flaws and decisions you don't like, I highly recommend first contemplating the alternatives, like Hillary and how she would handle the situation. I don't want to belittle or alienate anyone who wants to MAGA, much lest argue with them on the internet. You want to return to conservative values and MAGA? You are okay in my book.
If trump disavows the 2A tomorrow, you're going to see TD discussion about it whether you like it or not. And I won't be going to the drive-bys to read their lies. This site has a lot to do with honesty.
I dont know if something is true or not. That's why I hunt down discussion. Because, believe it or not, people can lie here to make Trump look good too.
You're never going to find a place that gives you 100% of the facts and news with no bias, so you might as well get both sides of an argument and gauge for yourself what seems to suit you better.
I mean from the point of view of people who always bitch and complain about leftists having echo chambers and safe spaces, but several people in the thread already destroyed my nonsense so I'm going to concede.
The real question is how many of these tests said people were positive when they really weren't? I've heard of SO many people that were positive with zero symptoms whatsoever.
Not saying things shouldn't still be taken serious, it's just interesting to think about.
Rand Paul: "I've recovered and am now dedicating myself to volunteering at a local hospital to help others in need."
Actual TDS Leftist: "Fuck you, asshole!"
The left can never be allowed to forget who they really are. Seriously, the replies are filled with hatred and venom for a guy who's done nothing but uphold the constitution (including disagreeing with Trump several times to do so), fighting for individual liberty, and literally volunteering his time and labor for a local hospital in a time of need, while these parasitic oxygen thieves sit in their easy chairs stroking their neckbeards and smugly sniffing their own farts about how superior they are to "conservatards from flyover states".
Rand is one of the few in Congress (<20?) that give af about our country. Maybe 1 of 5 in the Senate. Great news for all of our country that he's gonna be OK! And instead of doing whatever tf Schumer is doing, he's giving back to patients who need help. Also nice facial hair.
More than a physician. He was an eye surgeon (ophthalmologist). He had his own practice before he felt the noble calling to get into politics and be shot at, have his ribs broken and punctured, and basically do a deep dive into the swamp to battle the creatures from the black lagoon on a daily basis.
Oh im so pleased by this. im glad he is ok. the government needs more people like the pauls in it. then maybe we would respect liberty an the constitution more.
So I have been praying for this man. He lost a big part of his lung because of the SJW and still he wants to serve as a doctor. Massive respect for him.
Rand Paul is how you are supposed to disagree with President Trump. Support the president when you agree and than say why you disagree with the President by using the Constitution.
Trump needs people like Rand Paul. We all do.
Neither are afraid of blunt conversation. They talk and aren't afraid to disagree. The friction in their discourse is what sparks great ideas. It's what we're supposed to be about. That's why folks on our side of the aisle can have debates and disagreements while folks on the other end "eat themselves" when the going gets tough.
The problem is its hard to have the luxury to have friction in our inter-party discord when the Democrats are mounting a heavily unified front working to usher in communism in America. I agree with Rand Paul far more than I agree with President Trump (with the exception of Rand Paul's seeming tolerance for illegal immigration) but I think Paul needs to step back and see the bigger every once in awhile.
“luxury to have friction”
Successfully opposing communism doesn’t involve re-enacting it from a different standpoint. Successfully opposing communism involves being and acting free.
Absolutely. The disagreements should be in private. Paul seems to not understand how that undermines the president and gives comfort to the left. That's the shit I do not support him on.
Paul is right on immigration if you take it with his policies. If there is no welfare state you wont have to worry about immigrants. Its actually what made the US great the first time. Id agree though that first you have to dismantle the welfare warfare state then you can open borders and only hard working and entrepreneurial people will come. Plus youll ha e the benefit that the lazy will leave flocking to more socialist places like Canada and Europe.
Thanks to JFK and the Dems immigration has been downhill from that moment forward.
Rubbish. I've seen people on here shut down discourse just as bad as the left. "Trump did it so it's infallible" is not an argument. "This is a pro-Trump website so you must only post information that's pro-Trump. Do not post information that goes against Trump, even if it's true" is hypocrisy.
This site is not a free speech haven. It is meant to be a pro-Trump site.
Would you go to a Trump rally and yell out loud about the 1 thing your disagree with Trump over?
Problem is, the nanosecond we start allowing the concerns, disagreements, “I support Trump, but...” statements - the left floods in like a tidal wave of concerns and vitriol.
They also come here constantly posing as Trump supporters that act lukewarm or turn on Trump.
I’m sorry if you are looking for a free speech haven. Voat, 4chan, etc have got you covered. This site and our precursor on Reddit never pretended to be other than a 24/7 trump rally. Complaints about Trump belong elsewhere.
Would love a site that is promoting free speech tho. Seems like all the ones that claim they do end up heavily moderated to promote leftist ideology.
Problem with pure free speech is that bad actors come in and post illegal content or larp as a nazi till they get the site shut down.
I've seen it over and over. Free speech is beaten by actors pretending to be the worst things in society while simultaneously demanding that the site be shut down. They brigade and manipulate companies till they get what they want.
At some point you have to kick the people drilling holes in your ship off the ship.
They have a narrative and pushing the narrative is the most important thing. Even if they have to create the thing they are fighting to prove that you support NAZIs. I know I've been on the other side. All you have to do is play both sides at the same time to prove your side right.
Check out Voat
Thanks for your reasonable comment. I wouldn't yell out loud about the 1 thing I disagree with him over, but rather if a individual conversation steered in that direction, I wouldn't object to it. But your other points are sound.
Wouldn't legitimate, constructive criticism against Trump be inherently pro-Trump?
Probably everyone who supports the President disagrees with him about something. I have a few things on my personal list which drives me crazy when I see he touts them. But the point is, we find the President has an agenda where we all probably agree with him 80% of the time or more, and it really doesn't get much better than that. He's the common sense, no nonsense, pro-America President, with a background in managing large complicated situations effectively, which we need.
Since this is supposed to be a pro-Trump site, we shouldn't be starting posts that are negative about the Presidents views on different topics. Rather we can start discussions as to "why" the President has a particular view, so we can understand that view better and debate it on its merits.
If we think we disagree because we have some information on a topic that the President does not have, we should see what we can do to provide that information to the President. More than any other, we see he acts on information when it makes sense to do so.
This isn't "The Last Bastion of Free Speech", like reddit claimed to be for 10+years. This is a Pro-Trump website and therefore the content here will be pro-Trump. There are plenty of 4chan's and Owen Benjamin streams praising Islam and dishing on Trump to be found if you so desire.
The problem with arguing with people like you is there is hardly an in between. If you think criticism to Trump should be open game, then you must also be an Islamist or perpetually hates Trump. I am neither. I am just someone who likes to debate issues, pro or anti-Trump.
But I can't argue that you said it isn't a free speech haven. You're right: No one professed it was so I lost that one.
My argument is simply that there are plenty of other places where conservatives gather that you can say negative(honest) things about Trump and be a lot more well received. This isn't the place for it, here it comes of as concern trolling. "Hey fellow Caterpillars, I really like Trump, but...(Insert whatever you want here)". The simple truth of the matter is that Trump is the best option there is. Look at the other options we have been faced with, Romney, Obama, McCain, Jeb, Biden, Socialist Bernie, Psycho Hillary, Angry Warren, Kamalla Harris, Boomerberg, the list goes on and on of terrible people who are literal pieces of shit that only have their own agenda in mind. Does Trump do some things I, you and everyone here don't like, sure, but that isn't what here is about. This place is about propping up and cheering on our(America, and its people's) best option for president and leadership in this country. You want to get angry about flaws and decisions you don't like, I highly recommend first contemplating the alternatives, like Hillary and how she would handle the situation. I don't want to belittle or alienate anyone who wants to MAGA, much lest argue with them on the internet. You want to return to conservative values and MAGA? You are okay in my book.
Thank you
If trump disavows the 2A tomorrow, you're going to see TD discussion about it whether you like it or not. And I won't be going to the drive-bys to read their lies. This site has a lot to do with honesty.
Even if its true? Usually it isn't
I dont know if something is true or not. That's why I hunt down discussion. Because, believe it or not, people can lie here to make Trump look good too.
You're never going to find a place that gives you 100% of the facts and news with no bias, so you might as well get both sides of an argument and gauge for yourself what seems to suit you better.
I mean from the point of view of people who always bitch and complain about leftists having echo chambers and safe spaces, but several people in the thread already destroyed my nonsense so I'm going to concede.
Yeah that's a valid point.
In my ideal world, the main political fault line is between conservatives and libertarians.
Absolutely! Well said, pede.
Rand Paul argues not to derail the country or defy the will of the people. He presents a constructive argument that deserves consideration
Dear Christine Pelosi:
FUCK YOU!!!!
That apple didn't fall too far from the tree. Nasty bitches. A rotten fruit from a rotting tree
Mr. Pelosi must be a cuck.
shuffles deck furiously
Same old republicans, actually liking America.
God Bless you sir, we need more people in Government like you.
The one congressman who is actually doing something to help.
The real question is how many of these tests said people were positive when they really weren't? I've heard of SO many people that were positive with zero symptoms whatsoever.
Not saying things shouldn't still be taken serious, it's just interesting to think about.
There’s a lot of false negatives too for people that get cleared then end up back in the hospital
Rand 2024. One of the few that actually fights for things. And he has a career outside politics.
Imagine if we had Rand vs Pence, we would actually get some solid debates like the good ol days.
The Pauls are good people.
Rand Paul: "I've recovered and am now dedicating myself to volunteering at a local hospital to help others in need."
Actual TDS Leftist: "Fuck you, asshole!"
The left can never be allowed to forget who they really are. Seriously, the replies are filled with hatred and venom for a guy who's done nothing but uphold the constitution (including disagreeing with Trump several times to do so), fighting for individual liberty, and literally volunteering his time and labor for a local hospital in a time of need, while these parasitic oxygen thieves sit in their easy chairs stroking their neckbeards and smugly sniffing their own farts about how superior they are to "conservatards from flyover states".
They’re sitting there bitching about ‘muh free healthcare’ because their jobless fat asses are the ones who will actually need it
What a great man! So glad he's doing well, and that he chose to help others. ❤👍
PATRIOT!
Rand is one of the few in Congress (<20?) that give af about our country. Maybe 1 of 5 in the Senate. Great news for all of our country that he's gonna be OK! And instead of doing whatever tf Schumer is doing, he's giving back to patients who need help. Also nice facial hair.
Republicans need to follow Abraham Lincolns lead and grow manly beards.(Lion Ted ahead of the game). Quarantine is the perfect "excuse".
What a guy, as soon as he's recovered and immune, he starts volunteering
The virus attaches to 3 different receptors, in theory he's not immune to it.
Do you have any credible research you can provide to back up your claim that the amount of receptors has any impact on if you can develop immunity?
Or is this just some fake news you heard to keep the country shut down?
Stefan Molyneux did several videos on it
Sauce?
I believe he said credible.
Yes!
I mean just read the twitter replies.
Democrats are sick people.
They're REEEEEEEing over Wisconsin and upset that they can't steal that election.
Rand Paul is the man, such a great person and one of the last people in our government to support freedom and the constitution.
Rand 2024
Easy choice. I really hope he can gain some steam on that front.
Nice guy Rand. So glad this patriot is healthy. We need more republicans like him
I wonder what drugs he took. I was so worried about him.
Trump Pills maybe.
Did he get that sick from it? I thought he was asymptomatic and was surprised he even tested positive. Did it get worse? I never heard an update.
Today I found out Rand Paul is also a physician.
More than a physician. He was an eye surgeon (ophthalmologist). He had his own practice before he felt the noble calling to get into politics and be shot at, have his ribs broken and punctured, and basically do a deep dive into the swamp to battle the creatures from the black lagoon on a daily basis.
Rand’s a cutie. Thanks Senator Paul!
Girl pede here...he's even cuter all scruffy like this💜
He’s a good man.
Something tells me this won't get as much media attention as the initial story.
Great news-and keep working on that beard! Looks good!
This is the mark of a true public servant.
Yea! Congrats!
He looks like that doctor from Scrubs
Stay safe, Rand!
Heck yeah Rand! Glad to hear this.
Twitter comments actually are hell.
That's a relief. He has already been through quite enough!
Oh im so pleased by this. im glad he is ok. the government needs more people like the pauls in it. then maybe we would respect liberty an the constitution more.
Long live the republic!
STAND WITH RAND
So I have been praying for this man. He lost a big part of his lung because of the SJW and still he wants to serve as a doctor. Massive respect for him.
An inherently decent man.
Glad he didn't take a down turn like Boris Johnson is. Would have been a big loss had he succumbed to the wuflus
Based Senator.
Best news I've heard all week.
Well you can knock me down,
you can crack my ribs.
But don't you doubt,
that I will beat that China Flu.
You can do anything,
but I will beat that China Flu
Stand up guy
Now he's a doctor with immunity. Fuck you corona, fuck your ppe
Is he saying his previous diagnosis was a false positive?
No. He recovered and is no longer contagious.
Damn, dude recovered from the Chinese Virus while missing part of his lung!
No.
Both Rand and his father usually say exactly what they mean. Seems weird for a politician, but that's one reason why they stand out.
the dude is a good man