No, I don't think that's accurate. Having read the whole speech, it sounds like he and the shore facility in Guam, along with the Governor of Guam, were working with the Captain to get them off the ship when Crozier decided it wasn't going fast enough and sent out that mass blast to pressure them.
If you are former military then you know about the importance of the chain of command. Hell, I've seen people fired in the corporate world for sending out emails bypassing the chain of command. The fact that this particular memo ended up in the hands of the misleadia made his firing necessary. That is an absolutely unacceptable fuck up.
Then how did it get leaked to the misleadia? My understanding is that it was a "blast" memo that went to a lot of people. Even if all of those people were in his direct chain of command, doing shit like that is a bad idea regardless.
He clearly said that before he found out that over 20 people were cc'd. The CO of a carrier does not have 22 people between him and the SECNAV. He'd been on the phone with the SECNAV's Chief of Staff that very afternoon.
Prior service myself. I disagree. I am glad he was supported by the sailors, but he could have and probably did endanger his crew far more than it appeared. Letting the public know, and the enemy, that his crew was compromised is great intelligence. A bad actor could have hindered his movement, caused more sickness on board and taken a strategic vehicle off the operating grid. His decision with all the other outlets available to him was, in my opinion, a terrible decision.
Both are gone, and that’s the best outcome as I see it. Crozier screwed up, Modly did the right thing in removing him from command, then totally screwed up in his address to the crew. Screwed up so badly that his leaving was the only possible answer.
No that isn't true. Action was already being taken to get the sailors off the ship and circulate with a skeleton crew. Cozier tried to speed it up with media attention. That got him removed.
My interpretation is that he is being removed for his poor response to firing the TR Captain. It looks like it was simply due to the fact that he flew out to the TR and made that poorly worded speech. Had he fired the Captain and stayed in DC, or reworded his speech, I don't think he would be offering his resignation.
The facts of the matter as it currently stands is the following:
A letter was written by Captain Crozier for which he is fully responsible.
Plans had already been set in place to get the sailors off the of the ship prior to the drafting and sending of the letter.
The SECNAV was already in contact with the ship, and earlier in the day before the letter was released, Captain Crozier had said that everything was under control. Captain Crozier saying that everything is under control directly contradicts the actions he took when he sent the letter out later that day.
If Captain Crozier had thought that the situation had changed, or that there were more dire circumstances that had presented itself, he had a direct line to the SECNAV as the SECNAV told him that he could directly contact him.
With all of that being said, it should be made clear that it looks like the resignation of the SECNAV is not due to the firing of Captain Crozier, but in how the SECNAV responded to the firing when he made his speech on the TR. The firing of Captain Crozier is still justified from an OPSEC standpoint especially given the fact that he had multiple communications avenues open to him and he decided to forego it. Depending on what action is taken next with the President potentially stepping in, it will set a precedent going forward with regard to relieving military commanders.
As an appalled civilian, with no military service whatsoever but who still happens to be an American - what the fucking fuck? Fuck this captain, fuck this crew, and fuck every single snowflake disgracing our uniform that's worried about getting the virus. This isn't what I expect of my country's military. For fuck's sake, I'm not in a critical mission like manning a nuclear aircraft carrier and I still have to work in my job even when sick. I can't believe the whining I'm seeing out of the Navy about "safety" and "caring for the crew". You have no idea how bad this makes the Navy look. Maybe they should be tucked safely in bed with Daddy giving them their care-bear? How can any adversary respect that? I sure don't.
In defense of the crew, is it not possible that they wished to give their captain a nice send off, even if they understood why he got shitcanned? That their chanting for him did not mean they were protesting his firing, but to show appreciation for his service on their ship? Just a thought.
It is more complicated than that, information has been slowly coming out and the captain followed the chain of command, but the letter was leaked. There is more going on here. Also when illness goes through a carrier it gets bad fast and they have had serious problems even with flu bugs. They are in extremely tight quarters, I have heard many stories. If they are sick enough that they can't do their jobs it is serious. That said it now looks like he sent the letter and action was taken after which it was leaked. I want to know who the leaker is
I have read the memo and sending it through unsecured email to a bunch of civilians/journalists is the kind of offense that firing isn't nearly enough for. It's a nuclear aircraft carrier, not a cruise ship. I'm frankly disgusted in the weakness in this military; it's a disgrace.
The Navy has a high side and a low side. Even the nonsecure side offers encryption. I won't delve into the operation of systems but I managed both for several years and my commanding officer only asked for access once. He used "unsecure" email for everything. It's not unsecure. It's just not "as secure"
Gonna disagree. You are saying this from the safety of your home, where you have the ability to make sure your family is safe and protected.
Having 20 years in the military, I can identify with hundreds of people packed like sardines in an infected ship away from their families.
The morale and stress on the crew was likely palpable. None of them signed up to get infected, but they were all there on duty. The captain should have been fired for the leak, but the ship, in peacetime, should do everything possible to protect crew.
Most of them have families back home dealing with this -- regular communication is a problem once the ship is out of cell phone range. Sure, there is email, and they hear all their kids are home with their wives, all alone. Are people looking out for them? Maybe. Are their wives, surrounded by kids 24-7 going insane, Definitely. The corona Virus on the ship is the least of their problems. You have completely ignored one of the largest sacrifices our military members make: Separation from Family, and missing important life happenings. They cannot support their spouses, most of whom are stationed away from immediate family at a naval port somewhere.
Thing is, SECNAV apparently WAS trying to get the crew off. Was in the process of doing it. Had the Governor of Guam commandeering hotel rooms to put them in. Then Crozier threw them all under the bus because they weren't going fast enough to suit him.
Right. This just looks bad all around. The Navy looks like it's run no different than a panic-stricken corporation that'll axe an executive if they use the wrong pronoun.
On a side note, I was reading this article on Military.com and found it to be incredibly cucked. Tons of anti-Trump / pro-Obama comments. What the fuck?
Step 3: Allow women in all combat roles, Rangers, Marine Recon, and quietly lower the minimum fitness requirements; this in turn also affects male servicemembers, (mostly mentally, (morale)) before you know it you have a ship, squadron, battalion etc.. full of soyboys & girls. ..... Once again I'll see myself out....
There's nothing special about the military that keeps it from being swampy, too, and it is. Been happening for waaaaaaaay longer than Barry's terms. Check out the book About Face for a deep dive.
Everything we've heard about him (and seen from watching the apprentice), Trump does not micromanage. He puts good people in to lead and lets them lead.
I'd be shocked if he did.
Captain should be relieved and retire for leaking to the press
Secretary should be resigned for handling it stupidly.
Seriously, you've got a global pandemic and now an international news story about the Navy and this idiot doubles down.
He is naiive or stupid to think his comments wouldn't leak from a ship wholse captain you just fired for leaking!
These fucking idiots blame President Trump for everything. They have no grasp of reality. I even saw Democrats posting on social media yesterday blaming Brett Kavanaugh and the conservatives in the SCOTUS for the Wisconsin Supreme Court overturning the Democrat governors order to delay the election. SCOTUS had nothing to do with it, but facts won't interfere with these useful idiots blaming Orange Man.
Exactly. And the Democrat rep. that made that shitty, disrespectful comment was one of the ones demanding his resignation over what he said about the Captain. What the Democrat said about our President was far worse, so he should fucking resign too.
Readiness of a nuclear aircraft carrier is also supposed to be a quiet thing, not a spectacle, which is why the Captain was relieved of his command. None of this would have happened if he had done his duty and followed the chain of command.
They also need to determine who leaked that memo to the misleadia. I suspect the Captain might have done so himself, which is even more egregious.
Never, ever, bend the knee to the fucking leftists. These people are morally and intellectually bankrupt ideologues and there is no appeasing them. Showing any weakness will just enable more attacks. Everyone should be clear on this by this point.
Damn. I kinda liked his ‘put on yer big boy pants’ speech. Even though the Navy leadership is FUBAR, somebody has to be the first to start saying the hard truths, which his speech kinda did.
I UNDERSTAND the Captain’s position - he did ‘whatever it took’ to protect his troops
I UNDERSTAND the sailors’ position - they like a leader who ‘cares for his guys’
I UNDERSTAND the Secretary’s position - he falls on his political sword to protect the service.
I UNDERSTAND the families’ position - they worry about their loved ones.
I UNDERSTAND the dependapottomuses’ position - they worry to Jodi about maintaining their ‘spouse rank’.
NOW, WHO HERE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS A GODDAMN NUCLEAR WARSHIP, NOT A PLEASURE CRUISE? GET IT UNDERWAY, STOP BEING SHITMATES, PUT AWAY YOUR CAMERA PHONES, AND FIND A DEWEY OR A FARRAGUT AND PUT THEM IN CHARGE!
They're clearly captained by calmer people. Given that the cruise ships are full of old people who may die if they get COVID, but the carrier is full of young people who probably won't even know they have it, it's twice as egregious that this Captain had a 5 page meltdown, a 20 person cc list, and a fondness for using a leftwing San Francisco newspaper to get his point across.
The TR is not a cruise ship and even they are told to quarantine in place.
The Navy is/was not ignoring the problem and was working with the Governor to offload the crew on Guam. This meant setting up facilities for a small city, which does not happen overnight.
I still want to wait for a complete report. Did the Captain leak the letter? Was this internal but released by a democrat traitor? I don’t have enough info!
The commander of a Navy ship broadcast the fact that his asset was below par for all of our potential adversaries to know, evaluatie, and use for future planning.
What the Hell else do you need to know?
And the Secretary In Waiting whined about having to fire him.
The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, which has been docked in Guam following a COVID-19 outbreak among the crew of more than 4,000 less than a week ago.
Suspicion,heresay and “anonymous” sources have been the go to for commiecrats in MSM. I will wait to hear from the President who outlined a stellar life of the captain!
The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, which has been docked in Guam following a COVID-19 outbreak among the crew of more than 4,000 less than a week ago.
Wow, looking at that link, Crozier is worse than I thought. He wanted ALL 4000 sailors off the ship?? That's not possible, you can't leave a ship like that just sitting empty in fucking GUAM!!
And Modly's response was perfectly reasonable:
“I heard about the letter from Capt. Crozier (Tuesday) morning... we have been working actually the last seven days to move those sailors off the ship and get them into accommodations in Guam. The problem is that Guam doesn’t have enough beds right now and we’re having to talk to the government there to see if we can get some hotel space, create tent-type facilities,” Modly said.
“We don’t disagree with the (captain) on that ship and we’re doing it in a very methodical way because it’s not the same as a cruise ship, that ship has armaments on it, it has aircraft on it, we have to be able to fight fires if there are fires on board the ship, we have to run a nuclear power plant, so there’s a lot of things that we have to do on that ship that make it a little bit different and unique but we’re managing it and we’re working through it,” he said."
Man, Crozier sounds more and more like either a nut case or a shady political operative.
You “suspect”. So long as we are speculating, is it possible that the captain is a Trump supporter, his internal communications were leaked by a “vindman” operative “whistleblowhard “ and he was removed by a cuckold implant to sow dissent in a supportive military against President Trump?
The status of personnel on a military asset is operational information. In my experience, operational information is TS. How did a letter with operational information get out of "channels". Well, the document The Cronicle posted was not marked even CONFIDENTIAL, so call me skeptical of anybody making excuses.
And, yeah, lets find EVERYBODY who was involved in releasing this letter and prosecute them to the fullest.
I can see both sides to this. The captain certainly cared about his crew and wanted them safe from this virus. And his crew obviously cared about him given the send off he got. At the same time, the captain basically announced to the world that a US nuclear aircraft carrier is not battle ready, a sign of weakness. However, the secretary’s conduct with calling him stupid and the like, especially in an environment where people were upset at the captains dismissal and likely to be recording that speech, is unprofessional and demoralizing in my opinion.
What the Captain did was unacceptable and warranted his dismissal. The Navy Secretary went in dry with his comments, likely feeling defensive from the criticism of his decision and the support the crew expressed for the Captain. He definitely could have handled it better, but he really fucked up by apologizing, even though he was apparently directed to apologize. Bending the knee is pretty much always a bad idea, especially in cases like this when you have the Democrats nipping at your heels.
Yep. If the SECNAV wanted to say something to the TR sailors, he could just have told them [navy whistle noise] "This is SECNAV. Sorry we had to shitcan your captain. He was a good guy, and made a mistake. TYFYS." [/navy whistle noise]
I heard the audio. Modly’s speech is something that Trump would loathe in a subordinate because it sounded pretty beta, and it looks very, very bad on Trump.
The problem is the politics (small 'p' politics, how you promote yourself and are perceived by others) inherent in being promoted as you go further up in the ranks.
Damn. Sucks having a spotless record is more important than your actual body of work. Hopefully that can be changed so the best men get the promotions they deserve and the cucks get weeded out.
Captain screwed up, no denying it. It's harsh, but there isn't room for the kind of mistake he made at that level. He was in a position to know better and did the wrong thing anyway. He might still be a good man. The Navy Secretary is a traitorous snake though, and handled this about as badly as possible. Both deserve what they got, but for entirely different reasons.
This is maybe the best take of this, and for what it’s worth, I think the captain has ran his course with the Navy and thus deserves to move onto success in the private sector.
Boy, I don't like this development. The same lamestream media that we distrust on every other level are the ones suddenly making this Capt Crozier into some sort of folk hero. He's connected, I am positive. And I mean to the Pelosi side of things.
Dumb fuck obama holdover bureaucrats keep activating and stirring the pot, creating little localized circuses for the media to focus on to paint a bad picture of the state of the administration.
Exactly. They do it every time and they will continue to do it. Anyone who opposes President Trump or is in conflict with President Trump, no matter how far removed, like in this case, is granted instant hero status.
They do this every time they see something that can be weaponized against President Trump. The misleadia narrative being fed to the useful idiots is that the Captain is a hero and he was fired by Orange Man because Orange Man Bad. It's fucking disgusting, and entirely predictable.
Meanwhile the same Democrat fucks who were butthurt over Modly mean comments about the Captain make statements like this:
When I listened to the speech that Motley gave he was trying to do a half a--ed attempt at a speech that Trump would have given. He's trying to figure out 'what would the narcissist do' -- people are trying to figure out how to lead when their example is someone who is not competent or capable.
This has been an especially difficult issue for me. I've been on three carrier deployments, and to Guam numerous times. I know what it must feel like for those on the ship who are getting most of their information second hand.
I found out my second deployment was going to be extended when I watched it on CNN while eating on the mess decks.
The Captain obviously wanted to make it clear to the sailors that they were not being abandoned or forgotten about, in order for them to maintain the morale and belief in their leaders required to push through an event like this.
It seems to me that he must have tried to say the things in that letter to his chain of command, but obviously did not get the response he thought was necessary. In my experience the response you can expect that whenever the Navy experiences something new is to wait and see, "we are working on it."
He knew it meant his career. He knew it was against protocol, and potentially violating operational security. The fact that he did it anyways says to me that he made a choice to do what he thought was right.
I'll make it clear, for those who may not understand: HE NEEDED TO BE RELIEVED OF COMMAND. He broke the rules, and must pay the consequences. Every service member can understand that. Just because you feel like you are doing the morally right thing, does not exempt you from being held accountable.
The problem is that Big Navy's response to the misconduct on the part of the Captain was dealt with swiftly and decisively. When compared to their response and seeming lack of interest in the situation up to that point, it sends a bad message to the crew. Then to cap it off, the idiot flies half way around the world to give them all what is basically perceived as an out of touch ass chewing.
I am simply not happy with the way this was handled, and embarrassed to be a part of the community being portrayed as incompetent.
The media is not our friend. However, if you keep people in the dark about what is being done on their behalf, and expect quiet subservience in the midst of world wide panic, they will cling to anything that looks like a helping hand.
The system where the media gets the information so far in advance of the sailors that they have time to spin it, and feed it to them before the chain of command is able to put out their own narrative has got to end. Transparency, as the SECNAV said is how businesses in the Navy should be done.
I totally agree with you.Listening to Potus say yesterday that he is gonna look into it made me think that it was not only the captain that fucked up.I was military spouse for 20 yrs and have seen my share of chain of command not responding to issues which made people desperate.So maybe he did go through the chain of command but they didn't give a damn or offered some bullshit excuse,believe me I 've seen it all.And with the media in the US creating mass histeria how we are all gonna die from the China virus and how bad the Orange Man is ,he may have freaked out.I am in no way excusing his behavior but I am giving him benefit of the doubt only because Geotus did.On the other hand ,my son is currently in the Navy and he said it is full of weak soy sailors and general faggotry ,so who knows.
It is definitely full of cowards at the moment. The only people you can count on to step up and do what is required without a direct order from above, are those with one foot out the door, not worried about their next promotion.
Sad to say that only soon to be retirees are the only ones capable of sticking their necks out to make decisions and truly lead sailors.
My sister whose husband works for the Navy said Crozier used secure communication and it was leaked. We need to rid ourselves of all the Obama holdovers in military leadership. It got very bad. My son is a Marine and I do not want bad leadership.
To get to be Sec Nav you have to be more politician than anything else. I just really don't care much who occupies that position, as long as the man at the top is the right one... AND HE IS ...
The sailors claiming they will not re-enlist because of their passionate love for their Commanding Officer reminds me of all the limp wristed Hollywood liberals who were going to give up their citizenship and move to another country if Trump won. I'm still waiting for it to materialize.
No, I don't think that's accurate. Having read the whole speech, it sounds like he and the shore facility in Guam, along with the Governor of Guam, were working with the Captain to get them off the ship when Crozier decided it wasn't going fast enough and sent out that mass blast to pressure them.
If you are former military then you know about the importance of the chain of command. Hell, I've seen people fired in the corporate world for sending out emails bypassing the chain of command. The fact that this particular memo ended up in the hands of the misleadia made his firing necessary. That is an absolutely unacceptable fuck up.
Then how did it get leaked to the misleadia? My understanding is that it was a "blast" memo that went to a lot of people. Even if all of those people were in his direct chain of command, doing shit like that is a bad idea regardless.
Leaking and the leaker needs to be found and kicked out
More likely they'll get a side gig as a CNN correspondent.
Articles yesterday said exactly the opposite.
And were likely wrong, I also heard it went up the chain of command. Someone up the chain did the leaking and needs to be exposed and kicked out
He clearly said that before he found out that over 20 people were cc'd. The CO of a carrier does not have 22 people between him and the SECNAV. He'd been on the phone with the SECNAV's Chief of Staff that very afternoon.
The media is not part of his chain of command.
Prior service myself. I disagree. I am glad he was supported by the sailors, but he could have and probably did endanger his crew far more than it appeared. Letting the public know, and the enemy, that his crew was compromised is great intelligence. A bad actor could have hindered his movement, caused more sickness on board and taken a strategic vehicle off the operating grid. His decision with all the other outlets available to him was, in my opinion, a terrible decision.
Both are gone, and that’s the best outcome as I see it. Crozier screwed up, Modly did the right thing in removing him from command, then totally screwed up in his address to the crew. Screwed up so badly that his leaving was the only possible answer.
Maybe the Secretary was the actual target for removal?
No that isn't true. Action was already being taken to get the sailors off the ship and circulate with a skeleton crew. Cozier tried to speed it up with media attention. That got him removed.
And rightly so.
Populist grandstanding has no place in the Military. None.
My interpretation is that he is being removed for his poor response to firing the TR Captain. It looks like it was simply due to the fact that he flew out to the TR and made that poorly worded speech. Had he fired the Captain and stayed in DC, or reworded his speech, I don't think he would be offering his resignation.
The facts of the matter as it currently stands is the following:
A letter was written by Captain Crozier for which he is fully responsible.
Plans had already been set in place to get the sailors off the of the ship prior to the drafting and sending of the letter.
The SECNAV was already in contact with the ship, and earlier in the day before the letter was released, Captain Crozier had said that everything was under control. Captain Crozier saying that everything is under control directly contradicts the actions he took when he sent the letter out later that day.
If Captain Crozier had thought that the situation had changed, or that there were more dire circumstances that had presented itself, he had a direct line to the SECNAV as the SECNAV told him that he could directly contact him.
With all of that being said, it should be made clear that it looks like the resignation of the SECNAV is not due to the firing of Captain Crozier, but in how the SECNAV responded to the firing when he made his speech on the TR. The firing of Captain Crozier is still justified from an OPSEC standpoint especially given the fact that he had multiple communications avenues open to him and he decided to forego it. Depending on what action is taken next with the President potentially stepping in, it will set a precedent going forward with regard to relieving military commanders.
As an appalled civilian, with no military service whatsoever but who still happens to be an American - what the fucking fuck? Fuck this captain, fuck this crew, and fuck every single snowflake disgracing our uniform that's worried about getting the virus. This isn't what I expect of my country's military. For fuck's sake, I'm not in a critical mission like manning a nuclear aircraft carrier and I still have to work in my job even when sick. I can't believe the whining I'm seeing out of the Navy about "safety" and "caring for the crew". You have no idea how bad this makes the Navy look. Maybe they should be tucked safely in bed with Daddy giving them their care-bear? How can any adversary respect that? I sure don't.
I'm with you. The baggers at my local grocery store are showing more courage than this Captain did.
Fellow civilian here.
In defense of the crew, is it not possible that they wished to give their captain a nice send off, even if they understood why he got shitcanned? That their chanting for him did not mean they were protesting his firing, but to show appreciation for his service on their ship? Just a thought.
A generous interpretation; I sure hope it's right.
It is more complicated than that, information has been slowly coming out and the captain followed the chain of command, but the letter was leaked. There is more going on here. Also when illness goes through a carrier it gets bad fast and they have had serious problems even with flu bugs. They are in extremely tight quarters, I have heard many stories. If they are sick enough that they can't do their jobs it is serious. That said it now looks like he sent the letter and action was taken after which it was leaked. I want to know who the leaker is
I have read the memo and sending it through unsecured email to a bunch of civilians/journalists is the kind of offense that firing isn't nearly enough for. It's a nuclear aircraft carrier, not a cruise ship. I'm frankly disgusted in the weakness in this military; it's a disgrace.
Sent through proper channels means secured transmission
The Navy has a high side and a low side. Even the nonsecure side offers encryption. I won't delve into the operation of systems but I managed both for several years and my commanding officer only asked for access once. He used "unsecure" email for everything. It's not unsecure. It's just not "as secure"
Gonna disagree. You are saying this from the safety of your home, where you have the ability to make sure your family is safe and protected. Having 20 years in the military, I can identify with hundreds of people packed like sardines in an infected ship away from their families. The morale and stress on the crew was likely palpable. None of them signed up to get infected, but they were all there on duty. The captain should have been fired for the leak, but the ship, in peacetime, should do everything possible to protect crew.
Most of them have families back home dealing with this -- regular communication is a problem once the ship is out of cell phone range. Sure, there is email, and they hear all their kids are home with their wives, all alone. Are people looking out for them? Maybe. Are their wives, surrounded by kids 24-7 going insane, Definitely. The corona Virus on the ship is the least of their problems. You have completely ignored one of the largest sacrifices our military members make: Separation from Family, and missing important life happenings. They cannot support their spouses, most of whom are stationed away from immediate family at a naval port somewhere.
Thing is, SECNAV apparently WAS trying to get the crew off. Was in the process of doing it. Had the Governor of Guam commandeering hotel rooms to put them in. Then Crozier threw them all under the bus because they weren't going fast enough to suit him.
Wow.
Just wow.
Right. This just looks bad all around. The Navy looks like it's run no different than a panic-stricken corporation that'll axe an executive if they use the wrong pronoun.
On a side note, I was reading this article on Military.com and found it to be incredibly cucked. Tons of anti-Trump / pro-Obama comments. What the fuck?
Never - I repeat - Never apologize to a mob.
Ducking Obama eviscerated the military leadership.
Step 1: give guns and HUMVEES to ISIS
Step 2: blow up hospitals with drones
Step 3: ..?
Send billions to Iran
How could I forget that important step. Also bow down 90 degrees to every foreign leader you encounter snd apologize for America
His bows were legendary!
Legendarily weak
Well he did practice nightly with Big Mike.
With even greater flexibility after the erection.
YOU WIN
Trannies.
Step 3: Allow women in all combat roles, Rangers, Marine Recon, and quietly lower the minimum fitness requirements; this in turn also affects male servicemembers, (mostly mentally, (morale)) before you know it you have a ship, squadron, battalion etc.. full of soyboys & girls. ..... Once again I'll see myself out....
There's nothing special about the military that keeps it from being swampy, too, and it is. Been happening for waaaaaaaay longer than Barry's terms. Check out the book About Face for a deep dive.
And destroyed enlisted morale by non-stop SJW bullshit. Nobody needs to have a class once a week on how not to rape someone
So sick of these grown men crying. fucking pathetic
Two cucks gone for the price of one, win win.
can we get someone with some freaking balls
Just not big Mike Obama.
Everything we've heard about him (and seen from watching the apprentice), Trump does not micromanage. He puts good people in to lead and lets them lead.
I'd be shocked if he did.
Captain should be relieved and retire for leaking to the press
Secretary should be resigned for handling it stupidly.
Seriously, you've got a global pandemic and now an international news story about the Navy and this idiot doubles down.
He is naiive or stupid to think his comments wouldn't leak from a ship wholse captain you just fired for leaking!
He's a great leader, and great leaders don't micromanage. Building a business empire like he did really precludes micromanagement.
Fucking LOL!
Trump himself said he was not involved in the decision.
These fucking idiots blame President Trump for everything. They have no grasp of reality. I even saw Democrats posting on social media yesterday blaming Brett Kavanaugh and the conservatives in the SCOTUS for the Wisconsin Supreme Court overturning the Democrat governors order to delay the election. SCOTUS had nothing to do with it, but facts won't interfere with these useful idiots blaming Orange Man.
The article says the Navy secretary ranted to try to please Trump because that is how Trump talks. Everything is Trump's fault
Exactly. And the Democrat rep. that made that shitty, disrespectful comment was one of the ones demanding his resignation over what he said about the Captain. What the Democrat said about our President was far worse, so he should fucking resign too.
The media already knew.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-outbreak-diverts-navy-aircraft-carrier-guam-all-5-000-n1169726
Captain, one rank below Admiral (well Admiral grade). Navy version of a Colonel.
And anyone in charge of a ship.
Readiness of a nuclear aircraft carrier is also supposed to be a quiet thing, not a spectacle, which is why the Captain was relieved of his command. None of this would have happened if he had done his duty and followed the chain of command.
They also need to determine who leaked that memo to the misleadia. I suspect the Captain might have done so himself, which is even more egregious.
Clean house in the navy too I guess.
Please. I've been waiting seven years for it. Was Army; current DoN civ.
Never, ever, bend the knee to the fucking leftists. These people are morally and intellectually bankrupt ideologues and there is no appeasing them. Showing any weakness will just enable more attacks. Everyone should be clear on this by this point.
Damn. I kinda liked his ‘put on yer big boy pants’ speech. Even though the Navy leadership is FUBAR, somebody has to be the first to start saying the hard truths, which his speech kinda did.
I UNDERSTAND the Captain’s position - he did ‘whatever it took’ to protect his troops
I UNDERSTAND the sailors’ position - they like a leader who ‘cares for his guys’
I UNDERSTAND the Secretary’s position - he falls on his political sword to protect the service.
I UNDERSTAND the families’ position - they worry about their loved ones.
I UNDERSTAND the dependapottomuses’ position - they worry to Jodi about maintaining their ‘spouse rank’.
NOW, WHO HERE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS A GODDAMN NUCLEAR WARSHIP, NOT A PLEASURE CRUISE? GET IT UNDERWAY, STOP BEING SHITMATES, PUT AWAY YOUR CAMERA PHONES, AND FIND A DEWEY OR A FARRAGUT AND PUT THEM IN CHARGE!
Even Carnival Cruise ships quarantine in place instead of being offloaded. Are they better equipped than a nuclear aircraft carrier?
They're clearly captained by calmer people. Given that the cruise ships are full of old people who may die if they get COVID, but the carrier is full of young people who probably won't even know they have it, it's twice as egregious that this Captain had a 5 page meltdown, a 20 person cc list, and a fondness for using a leftwing San Francisco newspaper to get his point across.
Carnival Cruise Lines isn’t one of the 11 highest value missile targets on the planet, or projecting U.S. strategic power.
And in terms of quarantine space, yes. These warships aren’t built with spacious staterooms, sailors often share their bunkspace.
The most powerful ship in the world. One of only ten. A massive responsibility that can't be fucked up and yet this dude was in charge.
He already submitted his resignation.
The TR is not a cruise ship and even they are told to quarantine in place.
The Navy is/was not ignoring the problem and was working with the Governor to offload the crew on Guam. This meant setting up facilities for a small city, which does not happen overnight.
FUCK THAT. Waaaaahhh Navy might get sick!
GET THESE FUCKERS OUT OF OUR ARMED FORCES.
To go make any comments on a ship where apparently everyone is sending videos from their phones out to the media is either "naive" or "stupid"
This.
I still want to wait for a complete report. Did the Captain leak the letter? Was this internal but released by a democrat traitor? I don’t have enough info!
The commander of a Navy ship broadcast the fact that his asset was below par for all of our potential adversaries to know, evaluatie, and use for future planning.
What the Hell else do you need to know?
And the Secretary In Waiting whined about having to fire him.
What the Hell else do you need to know?
Did HE “broadcast”? Or were his communications tapped? Like TrumpTower? I need to know more.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php
The only questions are who gave the letter to The Chronicle and who the "senior officer" was. I suspect it was the captain in both cases.
They weren't even at sea...
Suspicion,heresay and “anonymous” sources have been the go to for commiecrats in MSM. I will wait to hear from the President who outlined a stellar life of the captain!
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php
The only question is who the "senior officer" was. I suspect it was the captain.
Wow, looking at that link, Crozier is worse than I thought. He wanted ALL 4000 sailors off the ship?? That's not possible, you can't leave a ship like that just sitting empty in fucking GUAM!!
And Modly's response was perfectly reasonable:
“I heard about the letter from Capt. Crozier (Tuesday) morning... we have been working actually the last seven days to move those sailors off the ship and get them into accommodations in Guam. The problem is that Guam doesn’t have enough beds right now and we’re having to talk to the government there to see if we can get some hotel space, create tent-type facilities,” Modly said.
“We don’t disagree with the (captain) on that ship and we’re doing it in a very methodical way because it’s not the same as a cruise ship, that ship has armaments on it, it has aircraft on it, we have to be able to fight fires if there are fires on board the ship, we have to run a nuclear power plant, so there’s a lot of things that we have to do on that ship that make it a little bit different and unique but we’re managing it and we’re working through it,” he said."
Man, Crozier sounds more and more like either a nut case or a shady political operative.
You “suspect”. So long as we are speculating, is it possible that the captain is a Trump supporter, his internal communications were leaked by a “vindman” operative “whistleblowhard “ and he was removed by a cuckold implant to sow dissent in a supportive military against President Trump?
The status of personnel on a military asset is operational information. In my experience, operational information is TS. How did a letter with operational information get out of "channels". Well, the document The Cronicle posted was not marked even CONFIDENTIAL, so call me skeptical of anybody making excuses.
And, yeah, lets find EVERYBODY who was involved in releasing this letter and prosecute them to the fullest.
And fire the guy who wrote it...
Either way, he should not be firing off memos bypassing the chain of command. I've even seen people fired in the corporate world for doing that.
If that is what he did, I agree! I have no reason to disagree with the firing. If the captain purposely subverted “ COC” Regs.
I can see both sides to this. The captain certainly cared about his crew and wanted them safe from this virus. And his crew obviously cared about him given the send off he got. At the same time, the captain basically announced to the world that a US nuclear aircraft carrier is not battle ready, a sign of weakness. However, the secretary’s conduct with calling him stupid and the like, especially in an environment where people were upset at the captains dismissal and likely to be recording that speech, is unprofessional and demoralizing in my opinion.
What the Captain did was unacceptable and warranted his dismissal. The Navy Secretary went in dry with his comments, likely feeling defensive from the criticism of his decision and the support the crew expressed for the Captain. He definitely could have handled it better, but he really fucked up by apologizing, even though he was apparently directed to apologize. Bending the knee is pretty much always a bad idea, especially in cases like this when you have the Democrats nipping at your heels.
Yep. If the SECNAV wanted to say something to the TR sailors, he could just have told them [navy whistle noise] "This is SECNAV. Sorry we had to shitcan your captain. He was a good guy, and made a mistake. TYFYS." [/navy whistle noise]
That's IT. No need to shit on the guy.
I heard the audio. Modly’s speech is something that Trump would loathe in a subordinate because it sounded pretty beta, and it looks very, very bad on Trump.
Jesus what happened to strong leaders?
I know they usually promote up the ranks but maybe that's the problem. Find the most based SEAL on earth and put that guy in charge of the Navy
The problem is the politics (small 'p' politics, how you promote yourself and are perceived by others) inherent in being promoted as you go further up in the ranks.
Anonymous 360 performance reviews are the answer.
Damn. Sucks having a spotless record is more important than your actual body of work. Hopefully that can be changed so the best men get the promotions they deserve and the cucks get weeded out.
Boone?
No. Kirk. Can't give too much more.
So... Jocko or Crenshaw?
Captain screwed up, no denying it. It's harsh, but there isn't room for the kind of mistake he made at that level. He was in a position to know better and did the wrong thing anyway. He might still be a good man. The Navy Secretary is a traitorous snake though, and handled this about as badly as possible. Both deserve what they got, but for entirely different reasons.
This is maybe the best take of this, and for what it’s worth, I think the captain has ran his course with the Navy and thus deserves to move onto success in the private sector.
Boy, I don't like this development. The same lamestream media that we distrust on every other level are the ones suddenly making this Capt Crozier into some sort of folk hero. He's connected, I am positive. And I mean to the Pelosi side of things.
They're trying to create more vindman situations.
Dumb fuck obama holdover bureaucrats keep activating and stirring the pot, creating little localized circuses for the media to focus on to paint a bad picture of the state of the administration.
Exactly. They do it every time and they will continue to do it. Anyone who opposes President Trump or is in conflict with President Trump, no matter how far removed, like in this case, is granted instant hero status.
They do this every time they see something that can be weaponized against President Trump. The misleadia narrative being fed to the useful idiots is that the Captain is a hero and he was fired by Orange Man because Orange Man Bad. It's fucking disgusting, and entirely predictable.
Meanwhile the same Democrat fucks who were butthurt over Modly mean comments about the Captain make statements like this:
Yeah, fuck you, Democrats.
*dims *useless parasites
This has been an especially difficult issue for me. I've been on three carrier deployments, and to Guam numerous times. I know what it must feel like for those on the ship who are getting most of their information second hand.
I found out my second deployment was going to be extended when I watched it on CNN while eating on the mess decks.
The Captain obviously wanted to make it clear to the sailors that they were not being abandoned or forgotten about, in order for them to maintain the morale and belief in their leaders required to push through an event like this.
It seems to me that he must have tried to say the things in that letter to his chain of command, but obviously did not get the response he thought was necessary. In my experience the response you can expect that whenever the Navy experiences something new is to wait and see, "we are working on it."
He knew it meant his career. He knew it was against protocol, and potentially violating operational security. The fact that he did it anyways says to me that he made a choice to do what he thought was right.
I'll make it clear, for those who may not understand: HE NEEDED TO BE RELIEVED OF COMMAND. He broke the rules, and must pay the consequences. Every service member can understand that. Just because you feel like you are doing the morally right thing, does not exempt you from being held accountable.
The problem is that Big Navy's response to the misconduct on the part of the Captain was dealt with swiftly and decisively. When compared to their response and seeming lack of interest in the situation up to that point, it sends a bad message to the crew. Then to cap it off, the idiot flies half way around the world to give them all what is basically perceived as an out of touch ass chewing.
I am simply not happy with the way this was handled, and embarrassed to be a part of the community being portrayed as incompetent.
The media is not our friend. However, if you keep people in the dark about what is being done on their behalf, and expect quiet subservience in the midst of world wide panic, they will cling to anything that looks like a helping hand.
The system where the media gets the information so far in advance of the sailors that they have time to spin it, and feed it to them before the chain of command is able to put out their own narrative has got to end. Transparency, as the SECNAV said is how businesses in the Navy should be done.
Fuck the media, inform the troops first.
I totally agree with you.Listening to Potus say yesterday that he is gonna look into it made me think that it was not only the captain that fucked up.I was military spouse for 20 yrs and have seen my share of chain of command not responding to issues which made people desperate.So maybe he did go through the chain of command but they didn't give a damn or offered some bullshit excuse,believe me I 've seen it all.And with the media in the US creating mass histeria how we are all gonna die from the China virus and how bad the Orange Man is ,he may have freaked out.I am in no way excusing his behavior but I am giving him benefit of the doubt only because Geotus did.On the other hand ,my son is currently in the Navy and he said it is full of weak soy sailors and general faggotry ,so who knows.
It is definitely full of cowards at the moment. The only people you can count on to step up and do what is required without a direct order from above, are those with one foot out the door, not worried about their next promotion.
Sad to say that only soon to be retirees are the only ones capable of sticking their necks out to make decisions and truly lead sailors.
That is why we have Marines
My sister whose husband works for the Navy said Crozier used secure communication and it was leaked. We need to rid ourselves of all the Obama holdovers in military leadership. It got very bad. My son is a Marine and I do not want bad leadership.
To get to be Sec Nav you have to be more politician than anything else. I just really don't care much who occupies that position, as long as the man at the top is the right one... AND HE IS ...
Is it wrong that I kinda want to see Crenshaw as the next SECNAV?
Antone got a working link? For me, this one has been on "load" for about 10 minutes.
This shitshow is turning into a goatfuck.
Does the crew on that vessel hot bunk, wherein 2 or 3 sailors split a berth over 8 hour intervals?
My friend did that on a carrier. He said it was super tight quarters, and sucked.
Anybody in here old enough to remember "good on ya T.R."?
Honestly, good. We can do better than Modly.
What a whiny little bitch. Oh well, appoint someone better.
The sailors claiming they will not re-enlist because of their passionate love for their Commanding Officer reminds me of all the limp wristed Hollywood liberals who were going to give up their citizenship and move to another country if Trump won. I'm still waiting for it to materialize.
Let's just say he also did not instill confidence, and did not add to good order and discipline.