How many Patriots would it take to remove the bad actors in congress that seem to get re-elected, even when they have to move states and win in districts "magically"
Man, things are complicated. Our POTUS Trump is taking this seriously (doesnt have a choice) and it is IMO, but its also way way over exaggerated by all media. People are dying,but they also die from many other disease and illnesses much worse than this, much more than this. Its hard what to really think anymore to me
Seems to me like it's about a 6/10. POTUS is selling it as a 4/10 to try and keep people calm but responsible, while MSM and Authoritarian GOP are treating it as a 9/10 and DNC are actively trying to make it so.
I said that it was a 6/10, with the media trying to ACT like it was a 9/10... Rather unconvincingly, I should have added. They play it up like a scary apocalypse flu that will kill millions, but even the most "DOOOOOM!" projections are a couple hundred thousand.
I completely agree if that wasn't clear. It makes them look all the more goofy acting like the world is ending when not one single famous or rich person has died from it, as far as I know...
If a regular flu is 2/10, I think the virus is just a 3/10. Weeks ago I thought it's a 8/10. People seem to treat it like a 7/10.
I mean I think I am sick, but I barely have any symptoms except weeks of slight coughing. My theory about the virus: It has an extreme spread, many people are infected, it's just that 90%+ of cases the symptoms are so minor that they aren't even tested. The official numbers are only the cases with severe enough symptoms, which is likely only a fraction of all infected. The actual death rate is probably below 0.5%.
Due to the fear of shortages, there was no testing performed on people like me with mild symptoms. Assuming the virus spreads rapidly and is unstoppable, most people are already infected. Now the people who develop symptoms over the course of weeks have to go to hospital - the delay from infection to symptoms is huge, 1-4 weeks.
If I am right, we could resume normal life right now, while just being more careful and hygienic. Everybody who still plays social distancing is likely already infected with no or mild symptoms or immune by now.
If I am wrong, at least we are trying to kickstart the economy again and prevent more businesses from collapsing. Or give the government more reason to do weird, authoritarian shit like confiscating children from homes.
Ok, but why no lockdown for Ebola, H1N1, they were new right? Or whatever else came along...somethings off about this. And how did I downplay it besides stating facts?
It doesn't matter what we think or do. This spreads way too easy. Protect the elderly. Actually work out the best treatments and use them asap. And realize it's not much deadlier than the flu.
The horse left the barn before Trump even banned travel in from China. That's my belief. No way it spreads like this and mosey'd its way overseas with weeks to discuss it first.
Ebola has an R0 of about 2.2, which is pretty close to Covid, the difference however is that Covid is airborne transmission while Ebola is strictly a fluid-based transmission. You can't contract Ebola (the strains we know of) by any method besides direct fluid contact. It's actually pretty fucking hard to spread in a modern first world country.
H1N1
H1N1 was pretty much a standard influenza strain. No lockdowns were necessary because they realized it wasn't anywhere near as bad as what it looked like at first.
they were new right?
No, they weren't actually. They were known strains that hadn't jumped to humans yet. Both the Ebola and H1N1 strain were known well ahead of time. The 1918 flue was a strain extremely similar to H1N1 which is why there was some alarm when it first hit. Ebola had only been found in bats.
People are dying,but they also die from many other disease and illnesses much worse than this
The only diseases that are as contagious (or more) than covid, that ALSO have as high of a rate of death and hospitalization all either have effective treatments or have been vaccinated into oblivion.
Wrong on a number of levels. Firstly it's not airborne, secondly it isnt new, coronaviruses have been around forever. Just like h1n1 and ebola, the risk is that they are novel viruses with no known cure. And you think every other disease is vaccinated against or treated? Insane.
You don't have to downplay it. Just recognize its target and protect them and let others still have a life, earn a living and not be arrested in a park in front of their children. Don't be too reasonable here. This is becoming a complete Black Mirror episode.
Deaths in the US are way down. Deaths from pneumonia are way down. Covid should win a Nobel Peace prize at this rate. It's not about comparing numbers to say what's worse. It's about looking at whether this is remotely as dangerous as it is portrayed and it is not. Mark my words, 20 times as many people have had it as they say. It spreads like wildfire and is not even noticed by as many as half of its carriers. There is no way it spread so slowly over 4 months. There is no way it didn't start earlier than they said.
I'm Canadian and we follow your lead like idiots. Please defeat this fucking evil. Trump tries to resist but he's surrounded by it. I'd probably throw that ankle thing right through a window.
He's right. You aren't gonna do shit. If by chance you do actually try something stupid, you're going to prison having made zero impact. That's just reality. Until the food stops and the heat turns off, huffing and cowing is all that's going to happen.
The weirder part is that the left thinks that Orwell supports their point of view and that they would be the protagonists in 1984. “STOP CENSORING OUR MEDIA AND TRYING TO CONTROL WHAT WE THINK WITH PROPAGANDA!” When has that ever happened when it wasn’t the left doing it? They control all major media outlets and entertainment. They even bought Marvel and got the new fleet of super heroes kids are supposed to use as role models to include nonbinary twins named Snowflake and Safe Space. Just look what they did to The_Donald on Reddit. You can get banned on Twitter for using the name someone was born with to refer to them. They’ve made up an endless series of words that serve no purpose but to distort reality. They even made up new pronouns to become mad about when you don’t use them despite them being invented yesterday and being entirely up to the person as to which are and are not acceptable.
It took a major disaster like the global pandemic of the Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease. That's when enormous power grab happens, and that's why this mess is compared with 911 and pearl harbor regarding enormous government power grab.
Was talking to the lady pede about how Dr. Paul had an impromptu rally at UT Austin years ago and drew thousands with basically word of mouth and the Ron Paul forums.
Thouse where glorious days but not as glorious as November 2020!
My grandma handwrote memoirs for me in 1989. She has a story in there about being quarantined in the 1930’s when her sister had diphtheria. These laws aren’t new.
We as a country have lost sight of where tyranny begins, in our backyards and home states. We're all so concerned with the federal government that we forgot about all the little tyrants throughout the country.
Don't say shocking; you'll just give the government ideas. They may decide to zap someone if they leave their home. And if we let them do that, then The Running Man collars come next.
It could easily be argued that somebody known to be infected with a deadly, highly contagious virus who goes out in public is violating the right to life of everyone else in public. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, and your right to move about freely ends at my... nose.
The third person who isn't known to be infected but is a family member of those who are, that's a little more difficult to defend. It would make more sense to test them to see if they should be forced to quarantine before forcing them to be quarantined.
Or how about we stop handing over liberties every time CNN decides to hype up something as innocuous as an annual flu with a scary name.
They got away with this much this time. How about in September when the annual nuisance comes around again? Shut down the country, destroy the economy, annihilate small businesses, and put 10 million people on unemployment and public assistance again?
Maybe they'll pass another emergency bill stuffed with more bullshit and handouts to congress friends and family?
bUt dO yOu WaNt gRaNdMa tO DiE?!?!
Well, don't know what to tell you. 70 & 80 year olds die of seasonal ailments every year. They have every single year for the entire existence of mankind.
But in the meantime, we hand out millions to solar panel companies and museums, oh and here's another thing you're not allowed to do for a few months... Nah let's make it permanent. See you again next year!
They have had quarantine laws for a long time. My grandma’s family was quarantined in the ‘30’s during a diphtheria outbreak when my great aunt had it.
This current case is absurd given the materiality of the disease versus harm they are inflicting, but as a general matter, if some shit like Ebola breaks out and is more easily transmissible, government has to have power to actually quarantine people because there are fucking psychopaths like the assholes in California who decriminalized HIV transmission in the world.
I agree. The only case for punishment (or "preventative" measures like bracelets) is if someone is intentionally going around trying to spread the disease.
A danger to yourself OR OTHERS. 72 hr evaluation of mental status and determination of how long they have to house you until you are no longer shedding the virus everywhere, and killing 10% of the population..Luck-a-ly, that is in 'weeks.' So, No judge will go against it, but, they will question your mental status if you want to keep infecting people, and killing them. We already had those kind of people with the horrible Aids outbreak in the 1980s.
Bevin made it easy for them. We needed a real candidate. What we got was a joke. Andy is in office only because of his daddy being the governor in the past.
It seems to me like everyone I know around here is pretty much based. The few Dems I know are only Democrats because "they just are", but their views make them totally conservative.
Of course, I don't live in Louisville or Lexington. I'm sure the scene is totally different there.
Similar to the Typhoid Mary case, I understand locking down or restricting the rights of a known infection risk. I don't have much of an issue with this.
The general shelter-in-place orders are well beyond any Constitutional authority.
I'm from California born and raised. Took a regular blood test at my Dr a few years ago told me I was exposed to Tuberculosis. I never got sick. I'm fine to this day. I realize how easy it is now to make people feel infected or something. Anyways I'm 10x more frightened for our future than I am of getting sick.
Wrong. It happens when the hearts & minds of our fellow citizens value the ideals that made America great in the first place: Accountability, Responsibility, Honesty, Hard work. Otherwise you can "overthrow" whatever gov you want, it'll just come right back.
In 1824, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion in Gibbons v. Ogden drew a clear line between the federal government and the state governments when it came to regulating activities within and between states.
Marshall’s reasoning set the precedent that police powers are reserved to states for activities within their borders (with some exceptions). Those police powers include the ability to impose isolation and quarantine conditions. Marshall wrote that quarantine laws “form a portion of that immense mass of legislation which embraces everything within the territory of a State not surrendered to the General Government.”
Forcing an infected and known risk person to quarantine? I'd say that passes strict scrutiny to infringe on Constitutional rights of a known, high-risk individual.
Forcing the population at large to shelter in place? No way.
Read up on some caselaw around Typhoid Mary. At first, they restricted her allowed occupations (like they quarantined these two men). When Mary violated those restrictions, like these men violating their quarantines, additional restrictions were placed.
I think what really bothers me about it is that the reasoning is way too close to the reasoning for red flag laws.
Who decides? Is there any due process?
I believe quarantines of individuals should be based on proven infections. While not in a courtroom, it is still the same "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard for infringing on Constitutional rights. We can then show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the person in question represents a risk to the lives of others (given this disease).
The third man, who has not tested positive,feels like an overreach to quarantine him as well. There's a reasonable doubt that he does not represent a risk to others.
Rather than directly relating it to firearms, let's run a similar example with explosives (which are also "arms"). If I'e got a shed full of dynamite in my back yard which is near your house, you have no right to say I can't have it. But you have a right to ask if it's stored safely (that it doesn't represent a reasonable risk to you). If we can prove, again beyond a reasonable doubt, that my storage method does represent a risk to your life and liberty, then I feel that it is fair that the courts demand I change my method of storage (quarantine) or eventually restrict my right if I show rejection of the quarantine.
Red flag laws are bullshit because they don't have the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. We must hold the highest standard before allowing the government to infringe on Constitutional rights.
The government has every right until it is challenged up to the Supreme Court.
They have covered it.
In 1824, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion in Gibbons v. Ogden drew a clear line between the federal government and the state governments when it came to regulating activities within and between states.
Marshall’s reasoning set the precedent that police powers are reserved to states for activities within their borders (with some exceptions). Those police powers include the ability to impose isolation and quarantine conditions. Marshall wrote that quarantine laws “form a portion of that immense mass of legislation which embraces everything within the territory of a State not surrendered to the General Government.”
The Supreme Court has stated the states have that power.
They have covered it.
In 1824, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion in Gibbons v. Ogden drew a clear line between the federal government and the state governments when it came to regulating activities within and between states.
Marshall’s reasoning set the precedent that police powers are reserved to states for activities within their borders (with some exceptions). Those police powers include the ability to impose isolation and quarantine conditions. Marshall wrote that quarantine laws “form a portion of that immense mass of legislation which embraces everything within the territory of a State not surrendered to the General Government.”
I really don't give a single fuck what the Supreme Court has said, because the supreme court doesnt write the constitution and anybody defending this is a unAmerican piece of shit. So fuck you and fuck the governors doing this and fuck the SCOTUS and fuck anybody who thinks they have any right whatsoever to tell free citizens that they cant fucking go outside.
There are precedents. If I am not mistaken Typhoid Mary was eventually jailed because she kept traveling from place to place and working as a waitress, starting new outbreaks every time.
Powers not given to the Feds directly are given to the state.
The Supreme Court has covered it.
In 1824, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion in Gibbons v. Ogden drew a clear line between the federal government and the state governments when it came to regulating activities within and between states.
Marshall’s reasoning set the precedent that police powers are reserved to states for activities within their borders (with some exceptions). Those police powers include the ability to impose isolation and quarantine conditions. Marshall wrote that quarantine laws “form a portion of that immense mass of legislation which embraces everything within the territory of a State not surrendered to the General Government.”
There's a pretty reasonable argument that if you know you're infected with a highly contagious and deadly disease that your assembly anywhere is not considered peaceful as you are knowingly endangering the lives and welfare of everyone around you.
So 360+ thousand people should have gone into a quarantine process under penalty of bracelet house arrest? If you're gonna do shit like that, you better damn well have a way for those people to be able to support themselves. You can't just arbitrarily tell people en masse that "you can't leave your house". How the fuck are they supposed to eat? What if something in their home breaks and it needs fixed? What if it's winter and the fucking heat dies? What if they're homeless? What if they live in a fucking car? And so on.
100% correct. Have you noticed anything strange about the "voting" results from the SC? 5-4 a lot. Because they are voting party lines, not actually considering the issues. That kind of split should happen like once in 100 years. 8-1, maybe 7-2 on some really weird issues. But 5-4? GTFOH that's not decision making. I don't trust anything coming out of a process like that.
So what you're saying is that people should keep dying because of your right to assemble ? Addend chruch online or something . We've never been attacked with a bio weapon like this before in the history of forever . Stay home in your parents basement, play some videos games and chill the fuck out
What if you're homeless and you get sick? Live in a car? Have no parents? What if the bank forecloses on your home during this? What if your heat breaks? Also: yes. Freedom has a price and exposure to contagions by voluntarily going out in public is one of them. The alternative is nanny state, and I say FUCK THAT.
If some sick bum is walking around coughing on everything getting people sick that's a bio attack . How about you get to walk around sick but if you roll up on me I get to defend myself by using my 2a freedom dispenser
It's our fucking park. We paid for it. We built it. WE CAN FUCKING USE IT. If you think it's too risky to go to the park with all the rollerbladers and Dad's playing t-ball with their kids then don't go there. Simple.
Someone please explain to me why we would not want to isolate infected people? Was it talking about dragging them out of their homes or something or just enforcing what should be a self quarantine I am sure some people would not follow?
Millions need to be "isolated", under penalty of law. How will we enforce it? Fuck it, let's just all move the entire population into prisons with computer controlled access cells! Urban sprawl: fixed. Quarantine issues: fixed. Traffic problems: fixed. Holy shit I found the solution guyz.
Exactly. It's for jackasses who don't listen and risk the health of others by going out in populated areas, not the common person who quarantines and is safe about it.
The two who knew they were positive and went out anyway, you can make a case for; they were knowingly endangering others, and that's probably some variety of crime. There's some grey area, and house arrest is a reasonable, if imperfect solution.
The guy who wasn't positive, though? Unforgivable.
Fuck my state and city. The libs are running wild now that little Andy gets to sit in the big chair in the capital. Bevin was a whack-o, but this fuck nut runs his 'daily briefing' at 5pm to try and block Trump. The only reason he is in office is because of his daddy. Fuck this town.
"American authorities haven’t welded apartment blocks shut, like those in China reportedly did."
Yet..... Atm nothing is off the table. If it gets bad enough they will start to do this. Police are arresting and fining people for being outside and morons online are supporting these actions. They will support emergency services boarding up homes to keep people inside.
Authoritarianism progresses very quickly in times of crisis. Just having Freedom does not inherently prevent this progression; It must actively be fought against by freedom lovers.
This is where knowledge of the 6th amendment comes in.
First, you have the right to be informed of the NATURE and the CAUSE. The clerk posing as a judge, will give you the NATURE all day long, and every time you ask to be informed of the CAUSE.
The prosecution must state the CAUSE because CAUSE is what creates jurisdiction for the court.
When you demand to be informed of the CAUSE, the judge will use every trick in his book to cower you into accepting arraignment without being informed of CAUSE, including continuance. The clerk will often twist your demand to be informed of the CAUSE into a need to accept "representation" insinuating that your demand to be informed of the CAUSE constitutes legal advice.
Here's the thing, though, the sixth amendment says you have a right to "assistance of counsel," not "representation."
The first duty of an attorney is to the court, not his client.
When you hire an attorney to represent you, you waive being informed of the CAUSE, and the ability to challenge jurisdiction.
You can find liability forms online to ask agents to sign for vaccine mandates listing the risks and that they accept liability for their mandate on you. You can use their refusal to sign the form as evidence against the lawfulness of their mandate. Especially, for school vaccine mandates.
If I were brought into court, I would ask, when called, "are we on the record?"
They might ask my name, and I would respond, "I am authorized representative and beneficiary for the Cesta Que Vie trust you have named, and you are the trustee. I am here to inform you that I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR OFFER TO CONTRACT AND I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS."
Ankle monitors are fair for people who break quarantine. It is person specific and already has a bunch of protections around it. They were quarantined due to a confirmed COVID-19 test they then got caught breaking that quarantine. They are assholes running around spreading illness. A 14 day targeted quarantine is very reasonable.
Google trying to be big brother is the real issue.
Duck duck go. fuck google. anyone still on facebook and posting personal info and carry their apps is willfully ignorant. same with WhatsApp. The level to which these companies go to track individuals is unbelievable. The society devolving into authoritarianism is fuelled by us ignoring our liberties trampled by these tech giants.
/endRant
The tree is thirsty
Semper sic tyrannis
Spez: proper spelling
Sic semper tyrannis*
Not quite as effective when "Tyrannosaurus" is a 2.5lb Chihuahua.
Lol.. I've spelled the Star Wars'd version of the word more than the actual Latin word evidently, but this reply at least made me chuckle.
How many Patriots would it take to remove the bad actors in congress that seem to get re-elected, even when they have to move states and win in districts "magically"
If congress is the problem, maybe state legislatures should have the power to fire their congressmen and senators at anytime under any circumstances.
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Sorry
Three Kentucky citizens.
That tree is certainly a bit parched, but keep it in your pants.
The tree is almost dead. Waco, TX.
Is it thirsty, or dead?
Man, things are complicated. Our POTUS Trump is taking this seriously (doesnt have a choice) and it is IMO, but its also way way over exaggerated by all media. People are dying,but they also die from many other disease and illnesses much worse than this, much more than this. Its hard what to really think anymore to me
Seems to me like it's about a 6/10. POTUS is selling it as a 4/10 to try and keep people calm but responsible, while MSM and Authoritarian GOP are treating it as a 9/10 and DNC are actively trying to make it so.
In a 9/10, we wouldn't be talking about the media because it either wouldn't be there or it would be like emergency transmissions.
I said that it was a 6/10, with the media trying to ACT like it was a 9/10... Rather unconvincingly, I should have added. They play it up like a scary apocalypse flu that will kill millions, but even the most "DOOOOOM!" projections are a couple hundred thousand.
I completely agree if that wasn't clear. It makes them look all the more goofy acting like the world is ending when not one single famous or rich person has died from it, as far as I know...
Prayers for BoJo
Imo the virus itself is a 2 or 3 out of 10. The government reaction is creeping up to 6 or 7.
If a regular flu is 2/10, I think the virus is just a 3/10. Weeks ago I thought it's a 8/10. People seem to treat it like a 7/10.
I mean I think I am sick, but I barely have any symptoms except weeks of slight coughing. My theory about the virus: It has an extreme spread, many people are infected, it's just that 90%+ of cases the symptoms are so minor that they aren't even tested. The official numbers are only the cases with severe enough symptoms, which is likely only a fraction of all infected. The actual death rate is probably below 0.5%.
Due to the fear of shortages, there was no testing performed on people like me with mild symptoms. Assuming the virus spreads rapidly and is unstoppable, most people are already infected. Now the people who develop symptoms over the course of weeks have to go to hospital - the delay from infection to symptoms is huge, 1-4 weeks.
If I am right, we could resume normal life right now, while just being more careful and hygienic. Everybody who still plays social distancing is likely already infected with no or mild symptoms or immune by now.
If I am wrong, at least we are trying to kickstart the economy again and prevent more businesses from collapsing. Or give the government more reason to do weird, authoritarian shit like confiscating children from homes.
You know what also causes coughing? Allergy season
Ok, but why no lockdown for Ebola, H1N1, they were new right? Or whatever else came along...somethings off about this. And how did I downplay it besides stating facts?
It doesn't matter what we think or do. This spreads way too easy. Protect the elderly. Actually work out the best treatments and use them asap. And realize it's not much deadlier than the flu.
The horse left the barn before Trump even banned travel in from China. That's my belief. No way it spreads like this and mosey'd its way overseas with weeks to discuss it first.
Honestly... the elderly will die soon anyway.
Youre an asshole.
Can't wait til in 50 years youre hearing "art of the covfefe" will die soon anyways"
So has a strain of Corona. Point is, they were new strains. Just like this.
Ebola has an R0 of about 2.2, which is pretty close to Covid, the difference however is that Covid is airborne transmission while Ebola is strictly a fluid-based transmission. You can't contract Ebola (the strains we know of) by any method besides direct fluid contact. It's actually pretty fucking hard to spread in a modern first world country.
H1N1 was pretty much a standard influenza strain. No lockdowns were necessary because they realized it wasn't anywhere near as bad as what it looked like at first.
No, they weren't actually. They were known strains that hadn't jumped to humans yet. Both the Ebola and H1N1 strain were known well ahead of time. The 1918 flue was a strain extremely similar to H1N1 which is why there was some alarm when it first hit. Ebola had only been found in bats.
The only diseases that are as contagious (or more) than covid, that ALSO have as high of a rate of death and hospitalization all either have effective treatments or have been vaccinated into oblivion.
It's not airborne it's droplet.
Wrong on a number of levels. Firstly it's not airborne, secondly it isnt new, coronaviruses have been around forever. Just like h1n1 and ebola, the risk is that they are novel viruses with no known cure. And you think every other disease is vaccinated against or treated? Insane.
Coronavirus has been around for a long time. This strain is just more infectious than previous ones.
The fear seems to be around the unknown. It’s “new” (not widely known until this year) vs. “normal” deaths like flu, car accident, etc.
You don't have to downplay it. Just recognize its target and protect them and let others still have a life, earn a living and not be arrested in a park in front of their children. Don't be too reasonable here. This is becoming a complete Black Mirror episode.
Deaths in the US are way down. Deaths from pneumonia are way down. Covid should win a Nobel Peace prize at this rate. It's not about comparing numbers to say what's worse. It's about looking at whether this is remotely as dangerous as it is portrayed and it is not. Mark my words, 20 times as many people have had it as they say. It spreads like wildfire and is not even noticed by as many as half of its carriers. There is no way it spread so slowly over 4 months. There is no way it didn't start earlier than they said.
...removes battery from pho....
By who?
I'm Canadian and we follow your lead like idiots. Please defeat this fucking evil. Trump tries to resist but he's surrounded by it. I'd probably throw that ankle thing right through a window.
I would never agree to wear that shit and would have them arrest me for not committing a crime. Fuck these mother fuckers
"Muh This Week is going to be our 9/11 and Pearl Harbor! Derp."
The two weeks away from being two weeks away shit is already old.
When this is over we won't forget the power hungry politicians and global org leaders that tried to pull this shady shit.
The virus is simply exposing them for what they are.
Jesus. George Orwell was right.
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
God help us all.
Easter Sunday may be messy.
Speak for yourself, eunuch. This isn't r/SandersForPresident.
Bookmark it and share it, eunuch.
Classic NPC, putting words in the mouths of those who never said them to begin with. Begone, thot!
He's right. You aren't gonna do shit. If by chance you do actually try something stupid, you're going to prison having made zero impact. That's just reality. Until the food stops and the heat turns off, huffing and cowing is all that's going to happen.
WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING, FOLKS! THE TRUMP TRAIN JUST GOT 10 BILLION MPH FASTER!
CURRENT SPEED: 358,979,385,117,000 MPH!
At that rate, it would take approximately 4.675 years to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy (2.5 million light-years)!
NEVER HEARD OF IT
You rang?
It took you this long? ;)
It’s been clear for a while. Still shocking.
The weirder part is that the left thinks that Orwell supports their point of view and that they would be the protagonists in 1984. “STOP CENSORING OUR MEDIA AND TRYING TO CONTROL WHAT WE THINK WITH PROPAGANDA!” When has that ever happened when it wasn’t the left doing it? They control all major media outlets and entertainment. They even bought Marvel and got the new fleet of super heroes kids are supposed to use as role models to include nonbinary twins named Snowflake and Safe Space. Just look what they did to The_Donald on Reddit. You can get banned on Twitter for using the name someone was born with to refer to them. They’ve made up an endless series of words that serve no purpose but to distort reality. They even made up new pronouns to become mad about when you don’t use them despite them being invented yesterday and being entirely up to the person as to which are and are not acceptable.
When does this ever occur the other way?
As always, what they accuse us of doing, they’re doing 10X worse.
Projection is all they know
It took a major disaster like the global pandemic of the Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease. That's when enormous power grab happens, and that's why this mess is compared with 911 and pearl harbor regarding enormous government power grab.
Ron Paul was right
Ron Paul is right about a LOT of things.
Was talking to the lady pede about how Dr. Paul had an impromptu rally at UT Austin years ago and drew thousands with basically word of mouth and the Ron Paul forums.
Thouse where glorious days but not as glorious as November 2020!
Where are your upvotes?!
The beginning of the police state.
Ruby Ridge logging on!
Patriot Act on standby!
Abe Lincoln here
FDR would like a word!
You think America today compares to America 100 years ago? We could become full commie and still be called America.
Sorry to be the one the breaks the bad news, but our rights have been eroded for the last 100+ years. Look at the size of the federal government.
America is drying out like a sponge on a car hood in death valley on the 4th of July.
Pardon my accent, I'm from New Orleans.
Already here friendo-
Probably during some past epidemic.
Repeal of prohibition of alcohol
My grandma handwrote memoirs for me in 1989. She has a story in there about being quarantined in the 1930’s when her sister had diphtheria. These laws aren’t new.
Hegel has entered the chat.
Patriot act but with virus in mind... and prob on steroids.
"There's an epidemic of violence right now" now these laws are invoked again.
We as a country have lost sight of where tyranny begins, in our backyards and home states. We're all so concerned with the federal government that we forgot about all the little tyrants throughout the country.
Don't say shocking; you'll just give the government ideas. They may decide to zap someone if they leave their home. And if we let them do that, then The Running Man collars come next.
Every state has this kind of law.
If someone is ordered to quarantine and breaks the quarantine, a court can order them confined.
The precedent is well established. SCOTUS ruled for them back in the 1800's.
You misunderstand - the Hawaiian Judge would almost certainly be on board with this and rule it unconstitutional to not go through with it.
☝️they read the article.
This is the key point.
Many (most?) of the people who are sick are "guilty" of this. Are we going to bracelet people en masse? That was the point of the article.
No law shall be passed that is repugnant to the constitution.
It could easily be argued that somebody known to be infected with a deadly, highly contagious virus who goes out in public is violating the right to life of everyone else in public. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, and your right to move about freely ends at my... nose.
The third person who isn't known to be infected but is a family member of those who are, that's a little more difficult to defend. It would make more sense to test them to see if they should be forced to quarantine before forcing them to be quarantined.
Or how about we stop handing over liberties every time CNN decides to hype up something as innocuous as an annual flu with a scary name.
They got away with this much this time. How about in September when the annual nuisance comes around again? Shut down the country, destroy the economy, annihilate small businesses, and put 10 million people on unemployment and public assistance again?
Maybe they'll pass another emergency bill stuffed with more bullshit and handouts to congress friends and family?
bUt dO yOu WaNt gRaNdMa tO DiE?!?!
Well, don't know what to tell you. 70 & 80 year olds die of seasonal ailments every year. They have every single year for the entire existence of mankind.
But in the meantime, we hand out millions to solar panel companies and museums, oh and here's another thing you're not allowed to do for a few months... Nah let's make it permanent. See you again next year!
This has to end.
Taxation is slavery.
They have had quarantine laws for a long time. My grandma’s family was quarantined in the ‘30’s during a diphtheria outbreak when my great aunt had it.
This current case is absurd given the materiality of the disease versus harm they are inflicting, but as a general matter, if some shit like Ebola breaks out and is more easily transmissible, government has to have power to actually quarantine people because there are fucking psychopaths like the assholes in California who decriminalized HIV transmission in the world.
Couldn’t have said it better. Amen, patriot.
I agree. The only case for punishment (or "preventative" measures like bracelets) is if someone is intentionally going around trying to spread the disease.
A danger to yourself OR OTHERS. 72 hr evaluation of mental status and determination of how long they have to house you until you are no longer shedding the virus everywhere, and killing 10% of the population..Luck-a-ly, that is in 'weeks.' So, No judge will go against it, but, they will question your mental status if you want to keep infecting people, and killing them. We already had those kind of people with the horrible Aids outbreak in the 1980s.
Today Corona, a few years it will be wrong think.
"A pandemic of far right ideology"
This is in Kentucky? What happened to Kentucky. Yikes! I thought this was going to be from the West coast.
They elected Democrat Andy Beshear as governor, that's what happened.
Bevin made it easy for them. We needed a real candidate. What we got was a joke. Andy is in office only because of his daddy being the governor in the past.
Oh for fucks sake. How many times am I going to keep seeing bullshit like this and then find out it's my goddamn state doing it? 😣
I know. I thought Kentucky was based.
It seems to me like everyone I know around here is pretty much based. The few Dems I know are only Democrats because "they just are", but their views make them totally conservative.
Of course, I don't live in Louisville or Lexington. I'm sure the scene is totally different there.
It's got to be better almost anywhere in Kentucky compared to Minneapolis
Fuck that.
1776 Part II: Electric Boogaloo
Rhodesia will rise and slot floppies again. Short shorts will be mandated attire.
This is unacceptable
Good, so we can end the lockdowns?
Similar to the Typhoid Mary case, I understand locking down or restricting the rights of a known infection risk. I don't have much of an issue with this.
The general shelter-in-place orders are well beyond any Constitutional authority.
I'm from California born and raised. Took a regular blood test at my Dr a few years ago told me I was exposed to Tuberculosis. I never got sick. I'm fine to this day. I realize how easy it is now to make people feel infected or something. Anyways I'm 10x more frightened for our future than I am of getting sick.
Wrong. It happens when the hearts & minds of our fellow citizens value the ideals that made America great in the first place: Accountability, Responsibility, Honesty, Hard work. Otherwise you can "overthrow" whatever gov you want, it'll just come right back.
Not because they were infected.
Because they broke quarantine.
Huge difference!
From the same article. Like literally the next paragraph:
AFTER they were supposed to be self isolated.
2 of the 3 WERE ticking time bombs.
The Supreme Court has even addressed it.
Is forcing people to quarantine constitutional?
Forcing an infected and known risk person to quarantine? I'd say that passes strict scrutiny to infringe on Constitutional rights of a known, high-risk individual.
Forcing the population at large to shelter in place? No way.
Read up on some caselaw around Typhoid Mary. At first, they restricted her allowed occupations (like they quarantined these two men). When Mary violated those restrictions, like these men violating their quarantines, additional restrictions were placed.
I think what really bothers me about it is that the reasoning is way too close to the reasoning for red flag laws. Who decides? Is there any due process?
That is a good, and hard, question.
I believe quarantines of individuals should be based on proven infections. While not in a courtroom, it is still the same "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard for infringing on Constitutional rights. We can then show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the person in question represents a risk to the lives of others (given this disease).
The third man, who has not tested positive,feels like an overreach to quarantine him as well. There's a reasonable doubt that he does not represent a risk to others.
Rather than directly relating it to firearms, let's run a similar example with explosives (which are also "arms"). If I'e got a shed full of dynamite in my back yard which is near your house, you have no right to say I can't have it. But you have a right to ask if it's stored safely (that it doesn't represent a reasonable risk to you). If we can prove, again beyond a reasonable doubt, that my storage method does represent a risk to your life and liberty, then I feel that it is fair that the courts demand I change my method of storage (quarantine) or eventually restrict my right if I show rejection of the quarantine.
Red flag laws are bullshit because they don't have the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. We must hold the highest standard before allowing the government to infringe on Constitutional rights.
Not my point. My point was it is a huge difference between the reasons. They knowingly put others at risk after
They were NOT given an ankle monitor due to having the Virus, but for violation of quarantine orders.
Quarantines are legal.
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
The government has every right until it is challenged up to the Supreme Court.
They have covered it.
Yes. It has been affirmed by the Supreme Court multiple times.
Move to China if you want to live like a communist.
Don't forget to refill your meds. Sadly, they'll only help with the mental illness, not the gross stupidity.
Many, many, many millions of people have "broken quarantine". Bracelets for everyone then?
Yeah, its America. Breaking quarantine is called being an American in America with the right to go the fuck outside if I damn well fucking please.
The Supreme Court has stated the states have that power.
They have covered it.
Quarantines are legal.
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
The government has every right until it is challenged up to the Supreme Court again.
I really don't give a single fuck what the Supreme Court has said, because the supreme court doesnt write the constitution and anybody defending this is a unAmerican piece of shit. So fuck you and fuck the governors doing this and fuck the SCOTUS and fuck anybody who thinks they have any right whatsoever to tell free citizens that they cant fucking go outside.
Bro, you are correct.
Since the Supreme Court decides if something is Constitutional or not it doesn't matter what you think on it.
I am sorry facts upset you so much.
It is the American system that you have a problem with, while calling others unAmercian. /smh
Bless your heart!
There are precedents. If I am not mistaken Typhoid Mary was eventually jailed because she kept traveling from place to place and working as a waitress, starting new outbreaks every time.
BOOOOOOGALOOOOOO!!!
No. Last, last, last, last possible resort. We need to fix the great country we've got. No need to go wrecking shit.
All in jest my friend. America has weathered many storms and will weather many more. I hope the voters remember these power grabs in November.
Random as fuck, but just as I started reading this, papa roach "last resort" began playing on my pandora station.
I see a better taste in music in your future.
One song, from one pandora station and you've got me all figured out!
If you're infected with a Chinese bioweapon you probably should stay home
Congress shall make no law...
Powers not given to the Feds directly are given to the state.
The Supreme Court has covered it.
There's a pretty reasonable argument that if you know you're infected with a highly contagious and deadly disease that your assembly anywhere is not considered peaceful as you are knowingly endangering the lives and welfare of everyone around you.
So 360+ thousand people should have gone into a quarantine process under penalty of bracelet house arrest? If you're gonna do shit like that, you better damn well have a way for those people to be able to support themselves. You can't just arbitrarily tell people en masse that "you can't leave your house". How the fuck are they supposed to eat? What if something in their home breaks and it needs fixed? What if it's winter and the fucking heat dies? What if they're homeless? What if they live in a fucking car? And so on.
The Supreme Court has affirmed municipal, county, state, and federal rights to quarantine multiple times.
100% correct. Have you noticed anything strange about the "voting" results from the SC? 5-4 a lot. Because they are voting party lines, not actually considering the issues. That kind of split should happen like once in 100 years. 8-1, maybe 7-2 on some really weird issues. But 5-4? GTFOH that's not decision making. I don't trust anything coming out of a process like that.
So what you're saying is that people should keep dying because of your right to assemble ? Addend chruch online or something . We've never been attacked with a bio weapon like this before in the history of forever . Stay home in your parents basement, play some videos games and chill the fuck out
What if you're homeless and you get sick? Live in a car? Have no parents? What if the bank forecloses on your home during this? What if your heat breaks? Also: yes. Freedom has a price and exposure to contagions by voluntarily going out in public is one of them. The alternative is nanny state, and I say FUCK THAT.
If some sick bum is walking around coughing on everything getting people sick that's a bio attack . How about you get to walk around sick but if you roll up on me I get to defend myself by using my 2a freedom dispenser
Intentionally coughing on shit is a different deal than just existing a public space.
It's our fucking park. We paid for it. We built it. WE CAN FUCKING USE IT. If you think it's too risky to go to the park with all the rollerbladers and Dad's playing t-ball with their kids then don't go there. Simple.
Well, shouldn't the sick be quarantined, and not the well? Isn't that how it used to be?
Someone please explain to me why we would not want to isolate infected people? Was it talking about dragging them out of their homes or something or just enforcing what should be a self quarantine I am sure some people would not follow?
Millions need to be "isolated", under penalty of law. How will we enforce it? Fuck it, let's just all move the entire population into prisons with computer controlled access cells! Urban sprawl: fixed. Quarantine issues: fixed. Traffic problems: fixed. Holy shit I found the solution guyz.
Oh hell no!!!!! loads freedom bullets
Next step is subdermal implantation of tracking beacons.
Is your cellphone inside of you? Then no, not like cellphones.
*Neuralink has entered the chatroom.
I thought of the thug in the Dark Knight Joker jail scene with the phone stitched into his stomach lol
70+% of Americans are afraid to eat less. Ass grabbing it is then.
Kentucky....what have you done?!
https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif
Exactly. It's for jackasses who don't listen and risk the health of others by going out in populated areas, not the common person who quarantines and is safe about it.
Fuck that
How is this any different than the laws that criminalized people who spread HIV to others?
We have fundamentally destroyed the country now.
Cut it off immediately
The two who knew they were positive and went out anyway, you can make a case for; they were knowingly endangering others, and that's probably some variety of crime. There's some grey area, and house arrest is a reasonable, if imperfect solution.
The guy who wasn't positive, though? Unforgivable.
Fuck my state and city. The libs are running wild now that little Andy gets to sit in the big chair in the capital. Bevin was a whack-o, but this fuck nut runs his 'daily briefing' at 5pm to try and block Trump. The only reason he is in office is because of his daddy. Fuck this town.
"American authorities haven’t welded apartment blocks shut, like those in China reportedly did."
Yet..... Atm nothing is off the table. If it gets bad enough they will start to do this. Police are arresting and fining people for being outside and morons online are supporting these actions. They will support emergency services boarding up homes to keep people inside.
Authoritarianism progresses very quickly in times of crisis. Just having Freedom does not inherently prevent this progression; It must actively be fought against by freedom lovers.
Sic semper tyrannis.
This is where knowledge of the 6th amendment comes in.
First, you have the right to be informed of the NATURE and the CAUSE. The clerk posing as a judge, will give you the NATURE all day long, and every time you ask to be informed of the CAUSE.
The prosecution must state the CAUSE because CAUSE is what creates jurisdiction for the court.
When you demand to be informed of the CAUSE, the judge will use every trick in his book to cower you into accepting arraignment without being informed of CAUSE, including continuance. The clerk will often twist your demand to be informed of the CAUSE into a need to accept "representation" insinuating that your demand to be informed of the CAUSE constitutes legal advice.
Here's the thing, though, the sixth amendment says you have a right to "assistance of counsel," not "representation." The first duty of an attorney is to the court, not his client. When you hire an attorney to represent you, you waive being informed of the CAUSE, and the ability to challenge jurisdiction.
You can find liability forms online to ask agents to sign for vaccine mandates listing the risks and that they accept liability for their mandate on you. You can use their refusal to sign the form as evidence against the lawfulness of their mandate. Especially, for school vaccine mandates.
If I were brought into court, I would ask, when called, "are we on the record?" They might ask my name, and I would respond, "I am authorized representative and beneficiary for the Cesta Que Vie trust you have named, and you are the trustee. I am here to inform you that I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR OFFER TO CONTRACT AND I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS."
Appeal this decision and get it to the Supreme Court. This is fundamentally unconstitutional.
Ankle monitors are fair for people who break quarantine. It is person specific and already has a bunch of protections around it. They were quarantined due to a confirmed COVID-19 test they then got caught breaking that quarantine. They are assholes running around spreading illness. A 14 day targeted quarantine is very reasonable.
Google trying to be big brother is the real issue.
Duck duck go. fuck google. anyone still on facebook and posting personal info and carry their apps is willfully ignorant. same with WhatsApp. The level to which these companies go to track individuals is unbelievable. The society devolving into authoritarianism is fuelled by us ignoring our liberties trampled by these tech giants. /endRant
Lawsuit