Not to mention Zoom users private data has already been sold to third parties for marketing shit and there’s also been reports of people’s Zoom calls being hacked into live and hijacked. Not to mention people can record your Zoom chat and upload it so it’s not at all secure. It’s a total shitshow. The government is already looking into this company and they literally just started to become a thing.
Eric Yuan
Eric S. Yuan is a Chinese American billionaire businessman and the founder of cloud-based Zoom Video Communications. In 2020, Yuan was included on Forbes' list of billionaires, for the first time, with a net worth of US$5.5 billion.
Born:Eric S. Yuan, 袁征, 1969/1970(age 50–50), Tai'an, Shandong, China
Nationality:United States
Education:Shandong University of Science and Technology
Yuan was born in China. But he has lived in the USA for decades and is a US citizen. He has the same voting rights as any US citizen including me and presumably you.
The man has said publicly “I really messed up” and taken ownership for the security issues that have arisen from him trying to grow his platform’s capacity too fast. The man’s explanations have been reasonable but the errors need correction.
I am not going to use Zoom for sensitive corporate issues until there has been significant verification of its platform by third party analysts. That said, for teaching 7th grade civics or a PTA meeting Zoom is fine.
Great point! This is kind of like when the cop says "I didnt say he was stabbed". Why did he defend those two from the start when no one mentioned them?
Being older, I’ve heard this same speech several times before. If the airlines came back after 9/11, they’ll come back from this. There might be a few lean years, but it’ll bounce back.
We didn't have the technology in 2001 that we do now. There's really no reason for me to ever go back to the office, for instance. It would have been a much more strained situation if I tried to telecommute in 2001.
There can be real magic to getting everyone in the same place at the same time. There are communication levels that occur you just don't realize unless you've done both on long term projects. No, It's not necessary on a weekly basis, but once or twice a year they can really boost developments and progress towards common project goals.
Face to face communication is better, I would never argue against that. However, is it worth it compared to office space costs? Or like you said, have everyone meet at an event space a couple times a year to put a face to a name and all that good stuff. I think the shift is a good thing. The type of work that I do requires me to be in a city to really participate in the job market, even though my work can be done at a high level remotely. Now, I hope the remote opportunities start to open up and I can get back to a rural lifestyle.
This exact text could have been written after 9/11 (and basically was). Everyone talking about teleconferencing. There would be no more face-to-face business meetings. That’s what was said. Same thing after the financial crisis in 2009. Companies aren’t going to spend money flying their people all over. Yes they will. “It’s different this time”. No, it’s not.
I agree. I had a trip planned for Vegas in late March, and even with all the Chinese virus talk, society was still almost 100% up and running until Vegas properties officially started reacting. Once that happened, it was like a switch, or rather like the first domino.
I appreciate your passion for not wanting to be treated like an animal. And, there are obvious short-term effects and will be some long-term impacts and adjustments to behavior.
But, I think you're overstating (or perhaps mischaracterizing) the bulk of modern business travel. Conference travel is a huge bit and (I think we agree) that will resume. I can even agree that conferences might be glorified sales trips and often involve a bunch of bullshit --excessive drinking being the most frequently abused aspect. But, putting that aside, most business travelers are not flying in for a meeting. That has long gone away.
I agree there will more reliance on videoconferencing than the past. But, that has been on the increase as more professionals have sought a work-life balance.
Doing work remotely isn't the issue. That's fine. But, the 1:1 on-site is still the best way to do certain things --pitch a product; dig into and kick off a large project; manage a critical organizational change; etc. You can do lots of the work virtually, but the human element still plays a huge role and that often comes from being together.
I do most of my work remote. I typically will work 3-4 weeks remote for every 1 week on site. For travel, I set up a week-long meetings with multiple clients and knock through them round trip.
I can and have stretched this out to 6:1 (6 weeks remote, 1 week on-site). That would roughly put us on where we are right now. Already, the 1 week on-site visits I had scheduled but have been moved to virtual since the Wuhan Flu have been less productive. And, that's with everyone trying really hard to "go virtual" and that includes a somewhat contrived, but surprisingly funny "remote happy hour".
I do agree that travel will become more of a hassle because there isn't any possible way that the government will not add yet another layer to travel. But, the businesses that need on-sites will still have the need.
Look, humans are ultimately tribal and a virtual campfire does not replace a real one.
First, I appreciate your reply. It's thoughtful and vigorous.
Second, you're a tad stuck on your own theory. Open up a bit.
Third, it's apparent that the nature of our work is very different. I haven't been in a project type kickoff in years and have delegated such tasks downward for quite some time; and, those activities are a result of the kind of work I'm involved.
I would concede that business travel really isn't much of a hassle for me, though I don't think it's fun for anyone. I guess after 25+ years of travel and with a few exceptions, I breeze through security (PreCheck & Clear), arrive 5-10 minutes before departure, and order a drink as I sit down. And throw in the occasional charter and it's probably not a fair comparison.
I guess I haven't had to work in years, select the clients I work with, and though I do and will leverage videoconference a lot, I will still find on-site, in-person element to be part of my on-going endeavors.
So, I think we are both correct from our own point of views. We just have different points of view.
Either way, as long as we're both out MAGA'ing, I guess it doesn't matter if it's online or in person.
This Kung Flu has been an absolute gift to the climate hoaxers and dimocraps, Think about it. Free money, capitalism severely damaged, no air flights, minimal auto travel. less pollution, social interaction via the deep state googlized web. Closing churches,Authoritarian state governments, all information through the state run mouthpieces, civil right trampled, All for the new Flu
I'm almost convinced now that this is the "Insurance policy" the deep state had in mind when the FBI lovers mentioned it in their "lovegrams"
Seats built for midgets and charging for everything is the result of cheap ass customers. Charging for checked bags started as a way for airlines to subsidize their flights and lower costs by taking air cargo with them. Then customers started bringing full ass sized bags and trying to jam them into the overhead, Soon you don't have enough overhead for every seat because people abuse it, so now you charge them so that people only bring what they need, or are willing to pay for, and there is enough room for everyone to have some.
If you fly on a full ticket airline like Southwest or American etc, you don't get nickeled and dimed.
If you want bargain fare then you fly frontier or spirit and deal with cramped planes...
Air travel is way cheaper today than it was 20 years ago, even with charging for everything the way bargain airlines do.
I can't understand why people don't see this. If I wanted to work from home, even ten years ago, I would have been working with much shittier software. Now, there is no reason whatsoever for me to ever go back into the office.
I think one that that definitely needs to change is our residential Internet service. Those of use that live in rural areas have poor options for decent connections.
I agree. Rural access to high-speed cable internet is badly needed. There are some cooperatives that are working to do that in certain areas. If we could make such a thing widespread, it would be revolutionary.
You know, I've wondered for a while if the large amount of air traffic that goes through my area (fairly major air corridor between northern and southern California) is actually effecting the weather.
I"m sure it's just a coincidence, but after just a few weeks near zero air traffic, we've just had one of our biggest rain storms in over 20 years. On top of quite a bit of rain this weekend and Monday, we've now had 43 hours straight of rain since Tuesday afternoon. The current forecasts are showing the rain will go on to 7 pm tonight, which would make it 55 hours of continuous rain!!!! That is basically unheard of here, where 10 inches of rain total for the year is a big deal.
EDIT: Whoops, actually it started around 3 PM MONDAY. So more like 80 hours straight of rain.
Look for air travel, hotels, and the hospitality industry to take a hit after the Pandemic is over - no sense in businesses paying good money for this stuff if you can teleconference.
Yeah video conferences using Chinese software! Oops your tlade seclet berong to Chinese Party!”
zoom most certainly is chinese lol
Not to mention Zoom users private data has already been sold to third parties for marketing shit and there’s also been reports of people’s Zoom calls being hacked into live and hijacked. Not to mention people can record your Zoom chat and upload it so it’s not at all secure. It’s a total shitshow. The government is already looking into this company and they literally just started to become a thing.
HA HA HA HA!!
Hey OP, got a question. Can you translate this for me?
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Sure, chief...
Eric Yuan Eric S. Yuan is a Chinese American billionaire businessman and the founder of cloud-based Zoom Video Communications. In 2020, Yuan was included on Forbes' list of billionaires, for the first time, with a net worth of US$5.5 billion.
Born:Eric S. Yuan, 袁征, 1969/1970(age 50–50), Tai'an, Shandong, China Nationality:United States Education:Shandong University of Science and Technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Yuan
Says Zoom isn't Chinese.
Unironically mentions the CEO's name which is LITERALLY THE WORD FOR CHINESE MONEY.
what facts?? all you did was look at the curtain and claim here is proof!! lol
And how much you want to bet the company hires foreign workers as well? And maybe from a certain country.
Yuan was born in China. But he has lived in the USA for decades and is a US citizen. He has the same voting rights as any US citizen including me and presumably you.
The man has said publicly “I really messed up” and taken ownership for the security issues that have arisen from him trying to grow his platform’s capacity too fast. The man’s explanations have been reasonable but the errors need correction.
I am not going to use Zoom for sensitive corporate issues until there has been significant verification of its platform by third party analysts. That said, for teaching 7th grade civics or a PTA meeting Zoom is fine.
That is what EVERYONE THAT GETS CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING BAD SAYS.
No one said Zoom or WebEx?
Great point! This is kind of like when the cop says "I didnt say he was stabbed". Why did he defend those two from the start when no one mentioned them?
Being older, I’ve heard this same speech several times before. If the airlines came back after 9/11, they’ll come back from this. There might be a few lean years, but it’ll bounce back.
We didn't have the technology in 2001 that we do now. There's really no reason for me to ever go back to the office, for instance. It would have been a much more strained situation if I tried to telecommute in 2001.
There can be real magic to getting everyone in the same place at the same time. There are communication levels that occur you just don't realize unless you've done both on long term projects. No, It's not necessary on a weekly basis, but once or twice a year they can really boost developments and progress towards common project goals.
Face to face communication is better, I would never argue against that. However, is it worth it compared to office space costs? Or like you said, have everyone meet at an event space a couple times a year to put a face to a name and all that good stuff. I think the shift is a good thing. The type of work that I do requires me to be in a city to really participate in the job market, even though my work can be done at a high level remotely. Now, I hope the remote opportunities start to open up and I can get back to a rural lifestyle.
Good Luck.
Didn't VR die last year? Nobody cared.
Agreed. A lot of air travelers aren't doing so for business, either.
I think traveling around and pooping on each other is a big-company executive status symbol. They'll want it back.
TSA groping and Chertoff jerkoff naked body scanners...
Also take your shoes off and DONT COMPLAIN, slave.
TSA is source of much anti-American subversion compliance.
This exact text could have been written after 9/11 (and basically was). Everyone talking about teleconferencing. There would be no more face-to-face business meetings. That’s what was said. Same thing after the financial crisis in 2009. Companies aren’t going to spend money flying their people all over. Yes they will. “It’s different this time”. No, it’s not.
I love your name, BTW.
So timely.
I agree. I had a trip planned for Vegas in late March, and even with all the Chinese virus talk, society was still almost 100% up and running until Vegas properties officially started reacting. Once that happened, it was like a switch, or rather like the first domino.
I appreciate your passion for not wanting to be treated like an animal. And, there are obvious short-term effects and will be some long-term impacts and adjustments to behavior.
But, I think you're overstating (or perhaps mischaracterizing) the bulk of modern business travel. Conference travel is a huge bit and (I think we agree) that will resume. I can even agree that conferences might be glorified sales trips and often involve a bunch of bullshit --excessive drinking being the most frequently abused aspect. But, putting that aside, most business travelers are not flying in for a meeting. That has long gone away.
I agree there will more reliance on videoconferencing than the past. But, that has been on the increase as more professionals have sought a work-life balance.
Doing work remotely isn't the issue. That's fine. But, the 1:1 on-site is still the best way to do certain things --pitch a product; dig into and kick off a large project; manage a critical organizational change; etc. You can do lots of the work virtually, but the human element still plays a huge role and that often comes from being together.
I do most of my work remote. I typically will work 3-4 weeks remote for every 1 week on site. For travel, I set up a week-long meetings with multiple clients and knock through them round trip.
I can and have stretched this out to 6:1 (6 weeks remote, 1 week on-site). That would roughly put us on where we are right now. Already, the 1 week on-site visits I had scheduled but have been moved to virtual since the Wuhan Flu have been less productive. And, that's with everyone trying really hard to "go virtual" and that includes a somewhat contrived, but surprisingly funny "remote happy hour".
I do agree that travel will become more of a hassle because there isn't any possible way that the government will not add yet another layer to travel. But, the businesses that need on-sites will still have the need.
Look, humans are ultimately tribal and a virtual campfire does not replace a real one.
First, I appreciate your reply. It's thoughtful and vigorous.
Second, you're a tad stuck on your own theory. Open up a bit.
Third, it's apparent that the nature of our work is very different. I haven't been in a project type kickoff in years and have delegated such tasks downward for quite some time; and, those activities are a result of the kind of work I'm involved.
I would concede that business travel really isn't much of a hassle for me, though I don't think it's fun for anyone. I guess after 25+ years of travel and with a few exceptions, I breeze through security (PreCheck & Clear), arrive 5-10 minutes before departure, and order a drink as I sit down. And throw in the occasional charter and it's probably not a fair comparison.
I guess I haven't had to work in years, select the clients I work with, and though I do and will leverage videoconference a lot, I will still find on-site, in-person element to be part of my on-going endeavors.
So, I think we are both correct from our own point of views. We just have different points of view.
Either way, as long as we're both out MAGA'ing, I guess it doesn't matter if it's online or in person.
This Kung Flu has been an absolute gift to the climate hoaxers and dimocraps, Think about it. Free money, capitalism severely damaged, no air flights, minimal auto travel. less pollution, social interaction via the deep state googlized web. Closing churches,Authoritarian state governments, all information through the state run mouthpieces, civil right trampled, All for the new Flu I'm almost convinced now that this is the "Insurance policy" the deep state had in mind when the FBI lovers mentioned it in their "lovegrams"
Middle east sand terrorists ruined air travel for everyone.
The TSA was the result of the terrorists.
Seats built for midgets and charging for everything is the result of cheap ass customers. Charging for checked bags started as a way for airlines to subsidize their flights and lower costs by taking air cargo with them. Then customers started bringing full ass sized bags and trying to jam them into the overhead, Soon you don't have enough overhead for every seat because people abuse it, so now you charge them so that people only bring what they need, or are willing to pay for, and there is enough room for everyone to have some.
If you fly on a full ticket airline like Southwest or American etc, you don't get nickeled and dimed.
If you want bargain fare then you fly frontier or spirit and deal with cramped planes...
Air travel is way cheaper today than it was 20 years ago, even with charging for everything the way bargain airlines do.
Video conferencing has been around for awhile. At least since the 90s. What’s taken people so long.
Because it was way shittier back then and the internet was slow as balls.
I can't understand why people don't see this. If I wanted to work from home, even ten years ago, I would have been working with much shittier software. Now, there is no reason whatsoever for me to ever go back into the office.
I think one that that definitely needs to change is our residential Internet service. Those of use that live in rural areas have poor options for decent connections.
I agree. Rural access to high-speed cable internet is badly needed. There are some cooperatives that are working to do that in certain areas. If we could make such a thing widespread, it would be revolutionary.
Find a smaller town with municipal fiber. They do exist.
You know, I've wondered for a while if the large amount of air traffic that goes through my area (fairly major air corridor between northern and southern California) is actually effecting the weather.
I"m sure it's just a coincidence, but after just a few weeks near zero air traffic, we've just had one of our biggest rain storms in over 20 years. On top of quite a bit of rain this weekend and Monday, we've now had 43 hours straight of rain since Tuesday afternoon. The current forecasts are showing the rain will go on to 7 pm tonight, which would make it 55 hours of continuous rain!!!! That is basically unheard of here, where 10 inches of rain total for the year is a big deal.
EDIT: Whoops, actually it started around 3 PM MONDAY. So more like 80 hours straight of rain.
Look for air travel, hotels, and the hospitality industry to take a hit after the Pandemic is over - no sense in businesses paying good money for this stuff if you can teleconference.
If anything, this sets up a dialog in people's brains about the value of getting physically accosted and fondled just to get on a plane.
When doing the math, everyone can see we lost essential freedoms that may never be regained.
And that is a tragedy.
As a man who travels for work. When you have 4 kids at home, I take those trips as my break lol. Sorry wife
We should stop subsidizing air travel anyways. Let the market decide.
Hell Yes! If I never have to get on an airplane to train someone again, I will be very happy.
ABOLISH THE TSA
ARREST BILL GATES
FUCK CCP.
123 recipe to MAGA