I'm waiting for the masses to just say "screw this, we're going back to our lives." It has to start with a few businesses going in together and getting the message out from there. Once others see it happening, we will change the course. But it will take a LOT of bold people do it all at once, on the same day.
There was a time when every home, and every pocket, wasn't equipped with a device connected to the web for endless hours of mindless distractions. As that grew, so too did the public's complacency
Maybe you’re too young to remember but we collectively bent over and thanked the TSA while they rammed a blue glove up grandma’s tuckus for the first year after 9/11.
At first I was one of the worriers about this virus, but then I got it (I think) and felt like shit for a couple days. But I got better and now I want to get on with my life. I know several people like me who felt sick, didn't get tested since it wasn't very severe (so way underreporting on the mortality figures), and just got better. I am willing to give them another week or two just so they can better understand how to treat severe cases differently in the hospitals, but I don't consider this much worse than the flu. Extra precautions should be taken in places like nursing homes where it can really spread to a vulnerable population, but we shouldn't be closing down the whole economy for much longer.
Decades of social engineering. The young were indoctrinated in schools, and those older were subjected to a slow erosion of their rights and liberties to the point that this seems almost normal and acceptable.
If any of you 'pedes have Nextdoor and want to laugh (or rage), then go take a peek at the hysterical morons posting there. I daily have pearl-clutching childless (either single or empty nesters) women publically shaming other people for existing, and there are so many people openly asking for marshal law and a greater police presence. They really do want to be just locked into their homes and have everyone who dares leave the threshold of their home to be arrested.
Even if the virus were as bad as they are pretending it is, do they really think this is helpful? Sure, Denise, if you stay in the house and get all your groceries delivered to your door by people poorer than you who have to leave their house while you continue to consume the fear-mongering, you're sure to just live forever and everything will be great! You'll exist in a beautiful utopia where you can sip tea while looking outside and calling the cops every time you see a child walking on the sidewalk.
This has been an extremely eye-opening experience for me in just how compliant and fearful most people are, and how easy it is to introduce tyranny and have people accept it with open arms.
That's where I saw a lot of it, but it's dropped off considerably in the last few weeks. Even my conservative millennial daughter was on this bandwagon a few weeks ago, but now she's changed her tune. Here in Texas, there were people (mostly women) actually saying they would gladly give up their "rights" for that false feeling of safety. Fortunately, people like myself blasted them on Nextdoor and many joined me in that sentiment.
And I hate to say it but Trump went right along with it. Ugh. I get it, the entire world was stampeding off a cliff and you either run along with it or you get run over but the end result it still the same so I don't know :(
Thousands of pedophiles. All communicating in desperate attempts to comfort each other. Image the ones with secret island with slaves - I bet they're concerned about who might be at their island right now, freeing those slaves and building a rock solid case for the death penalty.
Covid might not kill you, but there's nothing stopping the public from thinking you died of Covid.
Maybe 'we' did release the relatively harmless virus, Maybe China did. Who knows... fact is that it's out now and nobody is going to let this tragedy go to waste.
Even Trump knows that for major societal changes to take place (for Bad, like Communism, or Good, like Family/Faith)... something you have to fuck shit up. This lockdown is a huge Fuck Shit Up maneuver and it's hard to say who is steering it right now.
Leftism happened. Almost two decades of indoctrination, propaganda, and subversion. There are far more useful idiots in our country now than there were in 2001.
There needs to be a mass push on-line and over conservative media outlets to tell people to just open up their businesses and go back to work. Everyone needs to do it at the same time and on the SAME DAY. The government is incapable of dealing with mass civil disobedience. All of their control depends on cooperation and the ability to pick off "lone wolves" one at a time to make them examples to everyone. That's what keeps that sheep mentality in-check.
More like 99.9% survival rate if stopped putting everyone who dies with (not from) the Chinese virus in the numerator, and if we tested everyone so we could add all the asymptomatic people to the denominator.
I don't know what's worse. The people screaming that Chicomvirus is the end of humanity or the people screaming that the reaction to it is the end of democracy.
The high transmission rate was also a gross misrepresentation of truth. When they kept saying this virus was "more contagious" than other viruses, they were talking about something called R0 (R-naught). It's a variable used by epidemiologists' computer models.
R0 is an average number of uninfected people an infected person can pass the virus to in the computer model. It is not a constant that is determined by the virus. It is a variable that is determined by environmental and social factors. Any novel virus is automatically assumed to have a very high R0 initially because no one has ever been exposed before, but the R0 GOES DOWN as more people get exposed.
Also the R0 in an area like NYC would be much higher than the R0 in smaller cities and towns. Factors like hand washing and disinfectant use also drastically reduce R0.
Early reports went on and on about extremely high R0 estimates based out of early reports from China, and they have not revised those estimates nor have they made any efforts to relieve people of the misunderstanding that this virus is not special with regards to how contagious it is compared to other viruses.
The fact that you've never heard of it is a testament to the fact that you don't pay attention to this sort of thing or study it, not that it never happened before. It happens all the time. Too many people think the first time they've heard of something is the first time it's ever happened.
Learn what "contagiousness" actually means according to the epidemiologists that built the computer models that have so grossly overestimated the impact of this thing.
There is no evidence that this thing spread in only three months, by the way. It's called COVID-19 because it was identified in 2019. There is no reason to assume the worst cases were the first cases. We have no way of knowing how long it was spreading undetected before enough people got dangerously ill to draw attention and start the process of identifying it.
So far, every where they've started testing, it was ALREADY THERE.
What's new and different is how big of a deal the media is making of it.
Consider the USS Roosevelt. A crew of more than 6000 people stuck together in some of the most cramped conditions, all eating together, all sleeping stacked three bunks high way less than six feet from one another, and only 289 actually caught it and none of them are seriously ill.
How fast a virus spreads is a function of how fast human beings with the virus move around the world, not a function of the virus' make up.
I've served on a Nimitz class ship before. I know exactly how cramped and dirty they are. Loads of viruses have spread all over the world. More than 200 countries reported H1N1 cases in 2009.
Your cruise ship stat still shows that this virus isn't nearly as contagious as was initially claimed. The spread is determined by social and environmental factors. Cruise ships tend to have a much higher proportion of elderly and chronically infirm people than aircraft carriers, and they still had less than 20% infected the majority of which did not require medical intervention.
Swine flu spread to 160 countries in less than a year. A conservative estimate of 700 million people contracted it, about 10% of the worlds population. A low estimate of 250,000 people died from it.
The R0 of swine flu was 1.6, covid-19 is generally estimated around 2.2, SARS was estimated to be a little higher than 3.
Compare these with measles, R0 of about 13, and smallpox with an R0 of 6.
Covid-19 is more lethal than swine flu was, but less lethal than SARS was. Honestly, nobody knows what the actual kill rate on Covid-19 is, because of the super liberal way we are counting deaths, but even counting them as liberally as we are, it still got a lower kill rate than SARS.
I think the best comparison to what is going on now is the Spanish Flu in 1918. It infected about 1/4th of the world's population, about 500 million people, and a low estimate of 17 million people up to as high as 100 million people died from it ( between 3.4% and 20%) Society did the same things we are doing now, social distancing, wearing masks, closing public places for a whole year. There were not the government enforced quarantines, at least as far as I know. There really are a lot of parallels. There are are a few big differences with covid-19 though.
The first and most prominent one is the kill rate of covid-19 just isn't (seeming) as high. The second one is the symptoms of Spanish flu were more severe, with bleeding from various orifices of the head being one of the most prominent symptoms. Finally, it was hardest on those with stronger immune systems.
Honestly, the more I learn about covid-19 the less I'm concerned about it. I understand acting out of an abundance of caution, but I'm not sure the social and economic costs are better than the disease though.
I honestly think that a big part of the issue in China is they dealt with things in a heavy handed way. It's how they deal with their population generally. Also, with a population of 1 billion, 1%-2% dead would mean 10-20 million dead.
Alternatively if it did escape from the bioweapon lab, that would also lead to them locking things down the way they were.
I'm just not sure what to make of everything, so I'm okay with taking these precautions for now, but, but the more I learn the less justifiable this societal lock down seems to be.
Fear mongering media because orange man bad
This time they’re global socialists instead of national socialists. Same playbook though. They freaking blitzkrieged us
they ignored our protests and did all that shit anyway, with ZERO consequences. so now they know they can do anything.
And now that they know they can control the western world with it, it'll happen every year.
What happened is we fooled ourselves into thinking the media have lost their power.
People are sheep. They value feeling secure more than their rights, sadly.
I'm waiting for the masses to just say "screw this, we're going back to our lives." It has to start with a few businesses going in together and getting the message out from there. Once others see it happening, we will change the course. But it will take a LOT of bold people do it all at once, on the same day.
"WTF happened" is that nobody did anything after the '9/12/2001' stern Tweet, except spend the next 19 years meekly accepting:
There was a time when every home, and every pocket, wasn't equipped with a device connected to the web for endless hours of mindless distractions. As that grew, so too did the public's complacency
19 years of indoctrination via the communist indoctrination camps (schools).
Or more simply, millennials happened.
*democrats happened.
Millenials are the victims and outcome of that propaganda. Kinda unfair to blame us.
Maybe you’re too young to remember but we collectively bent over and thanked the TSA while they rammed a blue glove up grandma’s tuckus for the first year after 9/11.
"You need to fear fear!" says elite fearmongers.
At first I was one of the worriers about this virus, but then I got it (I think) and felt like shit for a couple days. But I got better and now I want to get on with my life. I know several people like me who felt sick, didn't get tested since it wasn't very severe (so way underreporting on the mortality figures), and just got better. I am willing to give them another week or two just so they can better understand how to treat severe cases differently in the hospitals, but I don't consider this much worse than the flu. Extra precautions should be taken in places like nursing homes where it can really spread to a vulnerable population, but we shouldn't be closing down the whole economy for much longer.
Decades of social engineering. The young were indoctrinated in schools, and those older were subjected to a slow erosion of their rights and liberties to the point that this seems almost normal and acceptable.
If any of you 'pedes have Nextdoor and want to laugh (or rage), then go take a peek at the hysterical morons posting there. I daily have pearl-clutching childless (either single or empty nesters) women publically shaming other people for existing, and there are so many people openly asking for marshal law and a greater police presence. They really do want to be just locked into their homes and have everyone who dares leave the threshold of their home to be arrested.
Even if the virus were as bad as they are pretending it is, do they really think this is helpful? Sure, Denise, if you stay in the house and get all your groceries delivered to your door by people poorer than you who have to leave their house while you continue to consume the fear-mongering, you're sure to just live forever and everything will be great! You'll exist in a beautiful utopia where you can sip tea while looking outside and calling the cops every time you see a child walking on the sidewalk.
This has been an extremely eye-opening experience for me in just how compliant and fearful most people are, and how easy it is to introduce tyranny and have people accept it with open arms.
Pretty scary when you realize this was the test run.
That's where I saw a lot of it, but it's dropped off considerably in the last few weeks. Even my conservative millennial daughter was on this bandwagon a few weeks ago, but now she's changed her tune. Here in Texas, there were people (mostly women) actually saying they would gladly give up their "rights" for that false feeling of safety. Fortunately, people like myself blasted them on Nextdoor and many joined me in that sentiment.
The need for safe spaces happened.
And I hate to say it but Trump went right along with it. Ugh. I get it, the entire world was stampeding off a cliff and you either run along with it or you get run over but the end result it still the same so I don't know :(
You know who else is locked up in their homes?
Thousands of pedophiles. All communicating in desperate attempts to comfort each other. Image the ones with secret island with slaves - I bet they're concerned about who might be at their island right now, freeing those slaves and building a rock solid case for the death penalty.
Covid might not kill you, but there's nothing stopping the public from thinking you died of Covid.
Maybe 'we' did release the relatively harmless virus, Maybe China did. Who knows... fact is that it's out now and nobody is going to let this tragedy go to waste.
Even Trump knows that for major societal changes to take place (for Bad, like Communism, or Good, like Family/Faith)... something you have to fuck shit up. This lockdown is a huge Fuck Shit Up maneuver and it's hard to say who is steering it right now.
I appreciate this perspective.
If i had to blame it on one thing i would say feminism ruined our culture.
I bet if the TSA was dismantled there would be a large chunk of change for the wall. Let the individual airports provide their own security services.
Leftism happened. Almost two decades of indoctrination, propaganda, and subversion. There are far more useful idiots in our country now than there were in 2001.
The United States is no longer the United States. It's a land of third world mongrels.
Fuck you I won't do what you tell me
Please you take away my firearms and I will happily comply!
When do we rise up? Or are those the words of a crazy person?
There needs to be a mass push on-line and over conservative media outlets to tell people to just open up their businesses and go back to work. Everyone needs to do it at the same time and on the SAME DAY. The government is incapable of dealing with mass civil disobedience. All of their control depends on cooperation and the ability to pick off "lone wolves" one at a time to make them examples to everyone. That's what keeps that sheep mentality in-check.
Soon.
If I owned a business I would just open it up. What's the downside? I go out of business or I get shut down? At least if I get shut down I can sue.
2 shittiest generations riched voting age.
And how many have willingly put those Alexa listening devices in their homes? Those are banned in my home.
Note that the TSA never stopped groping. Outrage is just empty words unless it fuels action.
More like 99.9% survival rate if stopped putting everyone who dies with (not from) the Chinese virus in the numerator, and if we tested everyone so we could add all the asymptomatic people to the denominator.
Ya fool me, twice... ya can't get fooled again!
Can't stand the tsa
Yes.
I don't know what's worse. The people screaming that Chicomvirus is the end of humanity or the people screaming that the reaction to it is the end of democracy.
The high transmission rate was also a gross misrepresentation of truth. When they kept saying this virus was "more contagious" than other viruses, they were talking about something called R0 (R-naught). It's a variable used by epidemiologists' computer models.
R0 is an average number of uninfected people an infected person can pass the virus to in the computer model. It is not a constant that is determined by the virus. It is a variable that is determined by environmental and social factors. Any novel virus is automatically assumed to have a very high R0 initially because no one has ever been exposed before, but the R0 GOES DOWN as more people get exposed.
Also the R0 in an area like NYC would be much higher than the R0 in smaller cities and towns. Factors like hand washing and disinfectant use also drastically reduce R0.
Early reports went on and on about extremely high R0 estimates based out of early reports from China, and they have not revised those estimates nor have they made any efforts to relieve people of the misunderstanding that this virus is not special with regards to how contagious it is compared to other viruses.
The fact that you've never heard of it is a testament to the fact that you don't pay attention to this sort of thing or study it, not that it never happened before. It happens all the time. Too many people think the first time they've heard of something is the first time it's ever happened.
Learn what "contagiousness" actually means according to the epidemiologists that built the computer models that have so grossly overestimated the impact of this thing.
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6302597/
There is no evidence that this thing spread in only three months, by the way. It's called COVID-19 because it was identified in 2019. There is no reason to assume the worst cases were the first cases. We have no way of knowing how long it was spreading undetected before enough people got dangerously ill to draw attention and start the process of identifying it.
So far, every where they've started testing, it was ALREADY THERE.
Yes it has. Dig through the history a bit.
https://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/year/en/
What's new and different is how big of a deal the media is making of it.
Consider the USS Roosevelt. A crew of more than 6000 people stuck together in some of the most cramped conditions, all eating together, all sleeping stacked three bunks high way less than six feet from one another, and only 289 actually caught it and none of them are seriously ill.
How fast a virus spreads is a function of how fast human beings with the virus move around the world, not a function of the virus' make up.
I've served on a Nimitz class ship before. I know exactly how cramped and dirty they are. Loads of viruses have spread all over the world. More than 200 countries reported H1N1 cases in 2009.
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/yearinreview/yir5.htm
Your cruise ship stat still shows that this virus isn't nearly as contagious as was initially claimed. The spread is determined by social and environmental factors. Cruise ships tend to have a much higher proportion of elderly and chronically infirm people than aircraft carriers, and they still had less than 20% infected the majority of which did not require medical intervention.
Swine flu spread to 160 countries in less than a year. A conservative estimate of 700 million people contracted it, about 10% of the worlds population. A low estimate of 250,000 people died from it.
The R0 of swine flu was 1.6, covid-19 is generally estimated around 2.2, SARS was estimated to be a little higher than 3. Compare these with measles, R0 of about 13, and smallpox with an R0 of 6.
Covid-19 is more lethal than swine flu was, but less lethal than SARS was. Honestly, nobody knows what the actual kill rate on Covid-19 is, because of the super liberal way we are counting deaths, but even counting them as liberally as we are, it still got a lower kill rate than SARS.
I think the best comparison to what is going on now is the Spanish Flu in 1918. It infected about 1/4th of the world's population, about 500 million people, and a low estimate of 17 million people up to as high as 100 million people died from it ( between 3.4% and 20%) Society did the same things we are doing now, social distancing, wearing masks, closing public places for a whole year. There were not the government enforced quarantines, at least as far as I know. There really are a lot of parallels. There are are a few big differences with covid-19 though.
The first and most prominent one is the kill rate of covid-19 just isn't (seeming) as high. The second one is the symptoms of Spanish flu were more severe, with bleeding from various orifices of the head being one of the most prominent symptoms. Finally, it was hardest on those with stronger immune systems.
Honestly, the more I learn about covid-19 the less I'm concerned about it. I understand acting out of an abundance of caution, but I'm not sure the social and economic costs are better than the disease though.
I honestly think that a big part of the issue in China is they dealt with things in a heavy handed way. It's how they deal with their population generally. Also, with a population of 1 billion, 1%-2% dead would mean 10-20 million dead.
Alternatively if it did escape from the bioweapon lab, that would also lead to them locking things down the way they were.
I'm just not sure what to make of everything, so I'm okay with taking these precautions for now, but, but the more I learn the less justifiable this societal lock down seems to be.
The transmission rate is far higher among dirty Asian foreigners, it turns out, maybe because they live in filth and we tend to be more fastidious.
Not everyone on the ship was infected. So you're just arguing with hyperbole.