I have friends in the medical industry, I don't want to DOX myself but in short I help setup practices, docs are being told straight up in emails not to prescribe hydroxchloroquire to their families with the implication that they could be suspended.
This could be that the government is trying to save the supplies for people who need it because we don't have enough anti-maleria drugs in America. Or it could be that they don't want this facade to end. You decide.
meanwhile its BANNED in the Netherlands. They tested it on a handful of people who were almost dead, said "well, this is not working" and will now impose fines on doctors for prescribing it.
The reason they give is "because we dont want shortages for people who REALLY need the drug" am i the only one who has missed the malaria/lupus pandemic going on?,
No this isn't entirely true. It isn't banned, it's restricted for hospital use.
It is recommended for hospitalized patients, not for GPs to give out. This is socialized medicine at work. If you don't get hospitalization, you don't need medicine is their way of thinking.
So a Family doctor and a pharmacist running their own clinical trial in Limburg(?) is not allowed by the inspector general(?) who will sanction them if they continue.
It's same shit New York is pulling after Cuomo basically restricted the use of chloroquine to hospital trials only.
Which is also dangerous since it's not a cure but a 100% effective prophylaxis.
It's being realized that this virus' mechanism isn't actually respiratory, it's hemological. It breaks down your hemoglobin and your actual blood can't carry oxygen anymore. That's why you're short of breath and hypoxic, not because your mungs are messed up, although that eventually happens too because of the free iron.
Anti-malarials can prevent that from ever occurring at all, allowing your body to fight off the infection on its own, but only if you take them early. If you take them by the time your liver and lungs are already damaged from all the free iron and you can barely function because your O2 is so low, it's too late for them to work.
Trying it on end-stage patients is useless. Using them on early onset patients is a miracle. People need to be able to access it as soon as they feel ill, not wait until they're sick enough to need the hospital. If they start taking it at home, they'll never need to go to the hosipital in the first place.
I know the study you are referring to, but that is not conclusive.
It is a computer model of several viral protein interactions that MAY explain why Covid 19 causes such severe hypoxia and people just die if they ever need to be put on ventilation.
It would be an explanation for why chloroquine works too if it pans out in vitro and in vivo.
Yes, but it also explains all the other oddities with this disease, such as the uniform lung damage, elevated hemoglobin levels, respirator failure, liver failure, and sudden loss of consciousness. All of that can be attributed to hemoglobin being destroyed by the virus and those are all symptoms that come with malaria as well. The more we learn about this thing, the more it looks like it should have been called Chinese Malaria.
"Chinese Malaria", maybe not too far off, do you find it weird that Bill Gates spent 2 billion dollars studying malaria? Undoubtedly, he would know quite a bit about hydroxychloroquine. And now media portrays him as an expert when it comes to SARS-CoV-2 and he has a vaccine in the works.
It does, but then you think back to things like all the medicine that was engineered using these same computer modeling strategies that didn't work in vivo.
Like I said a PROMISING HYPOTHESIS, but not settled.
PS: No for it to be Chinese Malaria it would have to be a parasite. It MAY function like that, but it's not a protozoa.
We have a stockpile of 29 million pills in federal reserves. This is not enough to treat everyone preventatively but certainly any confirmed covid case could easily get it with no problem.
Not really. HCQ is the one that matters, but you have to take it early. Once you've had the disease for a while and there's some damage and systemic stress, you need azithromycin to fight secondary infections that arise. The zinc is there to boost immune response and to help your body fight back, but if you take the HCQ early enough, you won't need the other two.
I agree with not requiring azithro unless things get bad, but a potential mechanism of hydroxychloroquine is acting as a zinc ionophore to bring zinc inside the airway cells where it can inhibit viral replication via inhibition of CoV RNA polymerases.
If you get it, demand HCQ and go to GNC for some zinc.
Also, the only reasonable explanation for the dramatic drop in new hospitalizations in NY over the past 4 or 5 days is that they started widely prescribing this drug there.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and one of President Trump’s top officials working to curb the outbreak in the U.S., has warned against saying this is full proof. He’s a professional. This is a new virus. This drug has not been tested in this regard, but thousands of doctors are saying it works.
Even doctors are not immune to idiocy and political stupidity, sadly. That is, quite literally, the ONLY reason not to embrace this treatment enthusiastically.
One thing to consider too, MANY doctors are really just dealers for big pharma and treating patients is not their main focus, they are just part of the corrupt chain of health care in the USA, they are like the street dealers of a drug cartel.
My former "doctor" was one of them, sure he would prescribe me a zpac or whatever if I got a bad cold or bronchitis, but he has a never ended stream of phama reps in and out every time I ever went there, they would be more of them in the waiting room than patients, all dressed to the nines with a big satchel of samples.
You gotta think like the mainslime media: "Almost HALF of doctors would not prescribe hydroxychloroquine to their family!" because hey, 40 is almost 50 and 35 is almost 40.
Hopefully more of the "center-left" start to see what kind of bullshit is being spread.
The hydroxychloroquine shortage a few weeks ago in the US was caused by doctors prescribing it for themselves and family. It basically wiped out our supply at that time.
Yet journalists would have you believe that doctors with years of medical training and experience are just sheep who blindly follow whatever Drumpf says.
Considering that they just suggest people take it "just in case" when visiting shit hole countries should show you how safe they really think the drug is.
The additional 35% also would they just have TDS and didn’t want to admit it. HCQ has been around forever and is perfectly safe.
I have friends in the medical industry, I don't want to DOX myself but in short I help setup practices, docs are being told straight up in emails not to prescribe hydroxchloroquire to their families with the implication that they could be suspended.
This could be that the government is trying to save the supplies for people who need it because we don't have enough anti-maleria drugs in America. Or it could be that they don't want this facade to end. You decide.
meanwhile its BANNED in the Netherlands. They tested it on a handful of people who were almost dead, said "well, this is not working" and will now impose fines on doctors for prescribing it.
The reason they give is "because we dont want shortages for people who REALLY need the drug" am i the only one who has missed the malaria/lupus pandemic going on?,
No this isn't entirely true. It isn't banned, it's restricted for hospital use.
It is recommended for hospitalized patients, not for GPs to give out. This is socialized medicine at work. If you don't get hospitalization, you don't need medicine is their way of thinking.
So a Family doctor and a pharmacist running their own clinical trial in Limburg(?) is not allowed by the inspector general(?) who will sanction them if they continue.
It's same shit New York is pulling after Cuomo basically restricted the use of chloroquine to hospital trials only.
Which is also dangerous since it's not a cure but a 100% effective prophylaxis.
It's being realized that this virus' mechanism isn't actually respiratory, it's hemological. It breaks down your hemoglobin and your actual blood can't carry oxygen anymore. That's why you're short of breath and hypoxic, not because your mungs are messed up, although that eventually happens too because of the free iron.
Anti-malarials can prevent that from ever occurring at all, allowing your body to fight off the infection on its own, but only if you take them early. If you take them by the time your liver and lungs are already damaged from all the free iron and you can barely function because your O2 is so low, it's too late for them to work.
Trying it on end-stage patients is useless. Using them on early onset patients is a miracle. People need to be able to access it as soon as they feel ill, not wait until they're sick enough to need the hospital. If they start taking it at home, they'll never need to go to the hosipital in the first place.
I know the study you are referring to, but that is not conclusive.
It is a computer model of several viral protein interactions that MAY explain why Covid 19 causes such severe hypoxia and people just die if they ever need to be put on ventilation.
It would be an explanation for why chloroquine works too if it pans out in vitro and in vivo.
Yes, but it also explains all the other oddities with this disease, such as the uniform lung damage, elevated hemoglobin levels, respirator failure, liver failure, and sudden loss of consciousness. All of that can be attributed to hemoglobin being destroyed by the virus and those are all symptoms that come with malaria as well. The more we learn about this thing, the more it looks like it should have been called Chinese Malaria.
"Chinese Malaria", maybe not too far off, do you find it weird that Bill Gates spent 2 billion dollars studying malaria? Undoubtedly, he would know quite a bit about hydroxychloroquine. And now media portrays him as an expert when it comes to SARS-CoV-2 and he has a vaccine in the works.
It does, but then you think back to things like all the medicine that was engineered using these same computer modeling strategies that didn't work in vivo.
Like I said a PROMISING HYPOTHESIS, but not settled.
PS: No for it to be Chinese Malaria it would have to be a parasite. It MAY function like that, but it's not a protozoa.
Do you have a link or name for that study? Want to check it out. Such a strange possible mechanism of action.
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173/5
It is a computer model study on several viral proteins interacting with hemoglobin.
Since around 750,000 people die of Malaria every year, that one has been hard to miss.
I'm suspect of people that claim to be in an industry and then can't spell words from their industry.
good, be skeptical, that said i type from a phone and don't proof read. Talk to your friends in the industry and see if the corroborate
Emails from whom?
State governments in Blue states, red states or both? Are they saying don't prescribe prophylactically or if family member is sick?
tell them we have enough supplies. 30 million
We have a stockpile of 29 million pills in federal reserves. This is not enough to treat everyone preventatively but certainly any confirmed covid case could easily get it with no problem.
No profit in a proven fda drug
Or they have enough TDS that they really believe it is bad for them simply because the President can NEVER be right in their world.
35% of Doctors hate their wives.
and a 100% of those doctors want a divorce
Well 100% of them are fucking hot nurses, so...
or 35% lie to the pollsters because TDS.
They also like watching their wives get blasted by her boyfriend.
If you're in the Northeast, can you hook a brother up with a name? /s (sort of)
Kek
Need all three. Hcq + ZPAK + Zinc
Not really. HCQ is the one that matters, but you have to take it early. Once you've had the disease for a while and there's some damage and systemic stress, you need azithromycin to fight secondary infections that arise. The zinc is there to boost immune response and to help your body fight back, but if you take the HCQ early enough, you won't need the other two.
I agree with not requiring azithro unless things get bad, but a potential mechanism of hydroxychloroquine is acting as a zinc ionophore to bring zinc inside the airway cells where it can inhibit viral replication via inhibition of CoV RNA polymerases.
If you get it, demand HCQ and go to GNC for some zinc.
I think this pretty much says it all.
Also, the only reasonable explanation for the dramatic drop in new hospitalizations in NY over the past 4 or 5 days is that they started widely prescribing this drug there.
There was research from 2005 showing the drugs worked on SARS and earlier cov type viruses. Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
"I am not a doctor. I have common sense."
Even doctors are not immune to idiocy and political stupidity, sadly. That is, quite literally, the ONLY reason not to embrace this treatment enthusiastically.
Please name the dumbasses that would not. Wanna me sure they don't become my doctor
One thing to consider too, MANY doctors are really just dealers for big pharma and treating patients is not their main focus, they are just part of the corrupt chain of health care in the USA, they are like the street dealers of a drug cartel.
My former "doctor" was one of them, sure he would prescribe me a zpac or whatever if I got a bad cold or bronchitis, but he has a never ended stream of phama reps in and out every time I ever went there, they would be more of them in the waiting room than patients, all dressed to the nines with a big satchel of samples.
100% if they themselves or a family member actually got sick.
35% of doctors have TDS symptoms.
You gotta think like the mainslime media: "Almost HALF of doctors would not prescribe hydroxychloroquine to their family!" because hey, 40 is almost 50 and 35 is almost 40.
Hopefully more of the "center-left" start to see what kind of bullshit is being spread.
The hydroxychloroquine shortage a few weeks ago in the US was caused by doctors prescribing it for themselves and family. It basically wiped out our supply at that time.
Yet journalists would have you believe that doctors with years of medical training and experience are just sheep who blindly follow whatever Drumpf says.
The other 35% are getting paid by the DNC to say otherwise.
Considering that they just suggest people take it "just in case" when visiting shit hole countries should show you how safe they really think the drug is.
35% would rather their family die than admit Trump may have been right.
Interesting. You might even say that two out of three doctors recommend taking hydroxychloroquine
100% if they themselves or a family member actually got sick.