Watch them downplay this study and push the Bill Gates backed* poison pill study that is comparing HCQ (without the Zinc) against Vitamin C as a control.
That’s why it’s increasingly harder to talk to people that believe in that kind of ideology. You can’t really talk to them. They inherently believe you’re a corrupt stand in for your class and that all life is a power struggle. They won’t want to talk or reason or listen, they just want to destroy. Words don’t mean anything to them if they don’t work in their favor.
Just look at what happened when their girl lost the last election. Even the other candidate being elected and being in office for 4 years now didn’t change their mind about him being the president. “Not-uh! He didn’t win.To be elected, you have to be my girl, and my girl didn’t win, so he’s no the real president. DUH! We learned that in studies class. Go to college, you bigoted rapist.”
It’s a sad state of affairs when even making fun of things that they might say like that is pretty much still just things they actually say. “He’s not the president, there was a rape accusation!” “What about Biden?” “ORANGE MAN BAD!”
Value whatever you want, but if you don’t live up to your own values that you vehemently oppose upon others and persecute them for, you are a bad person, period.
They wen't from 68' anti-war to war-mongering, John-McCain-praising, baby-killing-up-to-birth and whatever else have you, without any hesitation. Blue at all costs is only possible if you have no values that you adhere to. Empty shells they are, to be programmed by MSNPC and China News Network.
Remember in 2016 when Trump said the Dems want super-late-term abortion ("rip the baby from the womb of the mother in the 9th month"), and they all laughed and mocked him??
Not long after, New York legalizes it, and Governor Coonface's mask slips and he talks about exactly that. Would you think they even notice that? Have a look how they portray that part of history:
Trump Makes Horrific False Claims About Babies at Rally | NowThis
“Trump knew about this drug back in 2017, he could have stocked piled back then, but chose not to because it would have helped women and minorities in need. He’s a murderer and a rapist.”
Thank you. This is beyond huge. 0.5% mortality is already way lower but then they were all 74 years or older.
OMG this shit might work better than I even hoped.
God fucking damn. Can't wait to shove this in the face of my smug friends who went on about how irresponsible it was of Trump to mention it might help. In your fucken faces. Sorry. I'm passionate about this. It upends the entire lockdown process which is very very very important to many people I care about.
But muh lupus patients need their prescriptions and muh rheumatoid arthritis patients and Dr. Fauci needs more research and triple blind studies performed only on Thursdays
So it's awful and unproven and deadly but if you have Lupus or arthritis and can't get it for a day, your life is ruined.
The bigger lie is that Trump said it helps and then the supply got hoarded. No. The media said that but we have zero proof. One story of a person we've never met who called several pharmacies before finding some. Big deal. Probably a total fabrication.
Great point, I saw the 99.5% cure rate, and thought well that must imply a 0.5% death rate, which is possibly the norm overall. For a group of people 74+ .5% is about 1/5 the norm.
Oh I know. TDS really is an apt name for a real disease.
But there are things that can be so obvious that they at least have to sit with a blank stare for a full 3 seconds before they try to divert and change the subject. Like a temporary blue screen of death.
My mom stopped talking to me over this a few weeks ago after i told her about Trump's first mention of hydroxychloroquine (it had been around on the internet for a while but all she does is watch CNN so she obvi had never heard of it). Her latest now is that "remdesivir" looks promising bc they treated that one Asian guy in Washington a few months ago. I was like sure, the newer failed ebola drug that would be under patent, Gilead would love to pawn it off on another disease and make $$$. Can't wait to send this one to her. She literally won't admit this is working bc Trump said it. She'd rather have ppl die than this work.
I don't have the link right now... But when I was searching for info, I found out that in the 70 year history of the drug, there has only been 4 cases of cardiac toxicity. Four.
There's a Long Island nursing home doctor who substituted doxycycline (also antibiotic and anti inflammatory, but no cardiac side effects) for Zpac and also got good outcomes.
Not exactly accurate to say there is a 99.5% cure rate because about 1.5% of the patients are still hospitalized. So the maximum death rate would be 2% and would likely be lower than that.
The overall death rate in France, where this study was performed, is currently about 10%, so it seems pretty clear the drug is having a huge impact on the death rate.
Well that's sort of my point. The post itself is misleading and doesn't accurately reflect what is in the actual study that's linked. Accuracy is a good thing.
Given that the fatality rate of this disease without medication might be anywhere from .5% to a few percent, depending on who you listen to. The difference between a 98% cure rate and a 99.5% cure rate is actually a big deal.
My uncle in NYC is currently on Hydrox/Zythro and within 3 days of starting his regiment, his fever and other symptoms have decreased and his recovery is incredibly promising....yet, if you wander over to communist Reddit, you'll read nothing but negative posts on how this doesn't work, its a fraud and how Trump will profit from it.
I am all for HCQ and it sounds like it's really effective, but I don't know how they can claim a 99.5% cure rate. Wouldn't most of those patients have cleared the virus on their own naturally? What matters is how many more people survive when taking HCQ compared to the mortality rate when HCQ is not administered. Am I missing something?
Going off of data supplied by other comments (assuming it's accurate):
France currently has a 10% fatality rate
The study has a 0.5% fatality rate so far, with a maximum potential fatality rate of 1.5%
If you use France's entire population as a control and extrapolate these numbers out, you're looking at reducing otherwise-fatal cases by somewhere between 85% and 95% without taking other variables into account.
This is good news for sure, but the data I would love to have is what effect does it have compared the following things...
doing nothing,
doing things like IV vitamin C and other drugs,
taking it early when symptoms first present vs taking it when you are on serious decline,
Basically, I just want to know if it helps a little bit vs a medium bit vs a huge bit, and if when it is given matters at all
There's a big study starting in PA to recruit a couple thousand people who were exposed to the virus but do not yet have symptoms, to see if giving HCQ vs. "placebo" Vitamin C (which isn't really a placebo, but anyhoo...) prevents infections.
I like this but am finding personally those not in ICU at time of diagnosis recover fine but the ones that end up only starting treatment by the time they are already deteriorated and intubated sometimes die even before COVID-19 testing results.
I'd like to see a study where the patients are started on treatment only after shock, respiratory failure, and cytokine storm already kicks in.
I dont want to shit on this or anything, but just keep in mind the recovery rate normally is like 98.5%. A better term would probably be survival rate. or recovery rate.
Still sounds much better than not working at all though.
That is the absolute recovery rate based on all known infected. The study in question was based on people hospitalized --- which had a 70% recovery rate for a while.
CNN: Trump continues to push an unproven therapy that FAILS to cure MILLIONS.
Completely unlike marijuana.... Lefties are such hypocrites
this.
Marijuana has been studied for literally centuries. 420 blazeit
The problem is they always forgot to right down the results. Then they made Mac and cheese.
Actually there’s tests from before it was illegal.
In one of Crowley’s The Equinox books he has a study in there in which they purposely tried to kill a dog with it and couldn’t. Pretty insane stuff.
Oh I know... Years of research in my twenties....
"BREAKING: New French Hydroxychloroquine study confirms 99.5% cure rate with 1000 patients and no cardiac toxicity."
That's not enough evidence to convince Libtards and Fake News, needs to be 110% cure rate when our President Trump has backed it.
And the French are hardly Trump fans!
Good enough for Fake News Fauci?
Geez. Give him time to study the study. A year should do it.
Orange Man Necromancer
That explains their rant about McConnel on a throne of skulls...
Muh but people could get a rash...
Think of all the people who will go blind.
Watch them downplay this study and push the Bill Gates backed* poison pill study that is comparing HCQ (without the Zinc) against Vitamin C as a control.
That’s why it’s increasingly harder to talk to people that believe in that kind of ideology. You can’t really talk to them. They inherently believe you’re a corrupt stand in for your class and that all life is a power struggle. They won’t want to talk or reason or listen, they just want to destroy. Words don’t mean anything to them if they don’t work in their favor.
Just look at what happened when their girl lost the last election. Even the other candidate being elected and being in office for 4 years now didn’t change their mind about him being the president. “Not-uh! He didn’t win.To be elected, you have to be my girl, and my girl didn’t win, so he’s no the real president. DUH! We learned that in studies class. Go to college, you bigoted rapist.”
It’s a sad state of affairs when even making fun of things that they might say like that is pretty much still just things they actually say. “He’s not the president, there was a rape accusation!” “What about Biden?” “ORANGE MAN BAD!”
Value whatever you want, but if you don’t live up to your own values that you vehemently oppose upon others and persecute them for, you are a bad person, period.
They have no values, zero.
They wen't from 68' anti-war to war-mongering, John-McCain-praising, baby-killing-up-to-birth and whatever else have you, without any hesitation. Blue at all costs is only possible if you have no values that you adhere to. Empty shells they are, to be programmed by MSNPC and China News Network.
Remember in 2016 when Trump said the Dems want super-late-term abortion ("rip the baby from the womb of the mother in the 9th month"), and they all laughed and mocked him??
For the relevant debate part with Killary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqbm2YkMP0Q
Not long after, New York legalizes it, and Governor Coonface's mask slips and he talks about exactly that. Would you think they even notice that? Have a look how they portray that part of history:
Trump Makes Horrific False Claims About Babies at Rally | NowThis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thncOzqamTE
Well, let the lefties have the vaccine.
“Trump knew about this drug back in 2017, he could have stocked piled back then, but chose not to because it would have helped women and minorities in need. He’s a murderer and a rapist.”
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/pre-prints-ihu/ (COVID-IHU-#6). Use the 'abstract' and 'table' links.
This is a pre publication from a legit source.
Thank you. This is beyond huge. 0.5% mortality is already way lower but then they were all 74 years or older.
OMG this shit might work better than I even hoped.
God fucking damn. Can't wait to shove this in the face of my smug friends who went on about how irresponsible it was of Trump to mention it might help. In your fucken faces. Sorry. I'm passionate about this. It upends the entire lockdown process which is very very very important to many people I care about.
But muh lupus patients need their prescriptions and muh rheumatoid arthritis patients and Dr. Fauci needs more research and triple blind studies performed only on Thursdays
So it's awful and unproven and deadly but if you have Lupus or arthritis and can't get it for a day, your life is ruined.
The bigger lie is that Trump said it helps and then the supply got hoarded. No. The media said that but we have zero proof. One story of a person we've never met who called several pharmacies before finding some. Big deal. Probably a total fabrication.
Who's hoarding? That was my question when half wit banned the use or prescription in Michigan.
Great point, I saw the 99.5% cure rate, and thought well that must imply a 0.5% death rate, which is possibly the norm overall. For a group of people 74+ .5% is about 1/5 the norm.
If I'm reading this right, average age of subjects was 43.6 Looks like the 5 subjects who died were age 74+
They say .5% death rate is a big improvement over the other patients in the same hospital.
yes. Would be great to see some numbers on the outcomes of the other patients. Also to see the inclusion and exclusion criteria.
Sorry to disappoint you, but your smug friends don't care about facts, just about narratives, and nothing will change their opinion about trump.
Oh I know. TDS really is an apt name for a real disease.
But there are things that can be so obvious that they at least have to sit with a blank stare for a full 3 seconds before they try to divert and change the subject. Like a temporary blue screen of death.
My mom stopped talking to me over this a few weeks ago after i told her about Trump's first mention of hydroxychloroquine (it had been around on the internet for a while but all she does is watch CNN so she obvi had never heard of it). Her latest now is that "remdesivir" looks promising bc they treated that one Asian guy in Washington a few months ago. I was like sure, the newer failed ebola drug that would be under patent, Gilead would love to pawn it off on another disease and make $$$. Can't wait to send this one to her. She literally won't admit this is working bc Trump said it. She'd rather have ppl die than this work.
It's really sad.
I don't have the link right now... But when I was searching for info, I found out that in the 70 year history of the drug, there has only been 4 cases of cardiac toxicity. Four.
The cardiac issue is with azithromycin. There is a condition that is contraindicated.
I'm not an MD, but the condition apparently shows up on an EKG, and azithromycin makes it worse.
But not a problem for everyone who takes azithromycin. Allergic to Penicillin, I've taken azithromycin for decades, no issues.
There's a Long Island nursing home doctor who substituted doxycycline (also antibiotic and anti inflammatory, but no cardiac side effects) for Zpac and also got good outcomes.
Not exactly accurate to say there is a 99.5% cure rate because about 1.5% of the patients are still hospitalized. So the maximum death rate would be 2% and would likely be lower than that.
The overall death rate in France, where this study was performed, is currently about 10%, so it seems pretty clear the drug is having a huge impact on the death rate.
The study abstract says "(98% of patients cured so far)." If the 16 remaining in hospital are released and thus recovered; that's a 99.5% cure rate.
Yes, but as those 16 patients are not yet cured, you can't say the cure rate is 99.5%. The ultimate cure rate will be somewhere between 98 and 99.5%.
The abstract doesn't, only the OP did so hardly relevant.
Well that's sort of my point. The post itself is misleading and doesn't accurately reflect what is in the actual study that's linked. Accuracy is a good thing.
Given that the fatality rate of this disease without medication might be anywhere from .5% to a few percent, depending on who you listen to. The difference between a 98% cure rate and a 99.5% cure rate is actually a big deal.
You got 'em bro sick fucking burn. How dare xe say that 99.5% are cured when its really 98%.
What an asshoe.
Grow up.
Do you have a link to the actual study? Sounds like this is huge.
Worthless without link.
The link is the link to the study
The post links to an abstract document, but someone linked to the actual source below.
Abstract: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Abstract_Raoult_EarlyTrtCovid19_09042020_vD1v.pdf
Data: https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Table_final_website_IHU_09_04_2020.pdf
You're right! I only briefly looked at it and thought it was the full deal.
GET THIS TO THE PRESIDENT
Oh, I think he knows.
Then why hasnt he used executive order yet to overturn all democrat bans of hcq? Thanks to cuomo here in ny, we are dead
Trump is actually not a fascist and actually cares about the constitution.
The lives saved cannot be justification for such executive branch steamrolling, because there are always lives to be saved.
CNN has stories running right now calling the smaller French study “seriously flawed” and fear monger omg using some sock puppet doc. The memes are gonna be epic Update: found it! https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/health/drug-hydroxychloroquine-french-study/index.html
We may get the Oprah croud. Even Dr. Oz is pissed about this.
It's curing people of believing the MSM too..
Oh no, now Bill Gates can't force us to take his genocidal-depopulation-vaccine.
My uncle in NYC is currently on Hydrox/Zythro and within 3 days of starting his regiment, his fever and other symptoms have decreased and his recovery is incredibly promising....yet, if you wander over to communist Reddit, you'll read nothing but negative posts on how this doesn't work, its a fraud and how Trump will profit from it.
It makes me sick.
Pelosi will now start an investigation into why Trump is holding back getting Hydroxychloroquine to the American people.
I am all for HCQ and it sounds like it's really effective, but I don't know how they can claim a 99.5% cure rate. Wouldn't most of those patients have cleared the virus on their own naturally? What matters is how many more people survive when taking HCQ compared to the mortality rate when HCQ is not administered. Am I missing something?
Going off of data supplied by other comments (assuming it's accurate):
If you use France's entire population as a control and extrapolate these numbers out, you're looking at reducing otherwise-fatal cases by somewhere between 85% and 95% without taking other variables into account.
Thanks for the breakdown!
This is good news for sure, but the data I would love to have is what effect does it have compared the following things...
doing nothing, doing things like IV vitamin C and other drugs, taking it early when symptoms first present vs taking it when you are on serious decline,
Basically, I just want to know if it helps a little bit vs a medium bit vs a huge bit, and if when it is given matters at all
There's a big study starting in PA to recruit a couple thousand people who were exposed to the virus but do not yet have symptoms, to see if giving HCQ vs. "placebo" Vitamin C (which isn't really a placebo, but anyhoo...) prevents infections.
I like this but am finding personally those not in ICU at time of diagnosis recover fine but the ones that end up only starting treatment by the time they are already deteriorated and intubated sometimes die even before COVID-19 testing results.
I'd like to see a study where the patients are started on treatment only after shock, respiratory failure, and cytokine storm already kicks in.
It will not work very well, if at all.
If you're in shock and the treatment removes all traces of the virus, you're still in shock and your organs are shutting down.
In that case, you don't die from the virus, you die from the shock and organ failure.
In order to treat shock and organ failure, you need pills that heal shock and organ failure, and those do not exist.
It makes a strong argument for empirical treatment
"aNeCdOtAl!"
-Fauci, probably
Weird... Trump was right again
But Drumphf said it works and he is stupid so it obviously doesn't work! Reeeeeeeeeeee
It's almost like a drug that has been around decades and is a complete known quantity works as instructed. Who fucking knew?
But please. Let Bill Gates chip me and send half of us into poverty by shutting down the country.
GEOTUS needs to link this.
The haters picked the wrong hill to die on.
Here's a real life proof from one of my Facebook "friends"
https://thedonald.win/p/FMXbcjMf/hydroxychloroquine-redpill-found/
It's racist to say French study. Studies don't have nationality. Same for French bulldogs and French fries.
Just asked my local pharmacy here in Silicon valley if he had Plaquenil. Answer: nope. Shortage. Not good.
This is old news. This was Didier Raoult's second trial done weeks ago.
I dont want to shit on this or anything, but just keep in mind the recovery rate normally is like 98.5%. A better term would probably be survival rate. or recovery rate. Still sounds much better than not working at all though.
That is the absolute recovery rate based on all known infected. The study in question was based on people hospitalized --- which had a 70% recovery rate for a while.
Hmm, I didnt see that in the abstract he posted. If thats the case, thats better. They werent very clear about it though.
Good stuff
Let's fucking go!
And no bill gates vaccine
We don’t have a cure though... 😏