After WW2/Cold War, we should have known future versions of war would NOT be tanks and trenches or nuclear, but propaganda machines, censorship machines, etc
Between dry wall and wet markets they're doing their best to kill the West. If the Chinese don't stop eating every animal with a pulse, there won't be any humans left with a pulse.
That was a decades long nightmare. The more I read about it the more blown away I am that it is never really looked at too closely in western classrooms. Nearly every Chinatown in the world, for example, was started by people from Guangzhou/Pearl River Delta region of China. Why? That is where the English set up their drug dealing zone. Imagine if the Mexican Cartels set up an autonomous Meth Zone in Louisiana. Crazy shit. All that said, Communism is worse than cancer.
One of my friends that I knew when i lived in west palm had to vacate out of their nice condo because the state of florida found out about the building having chinese drywall. they have to tear the whole building down I think..
The entire twitter feed is propaganda but they don't seem to be reaching anyone other than getting ratioed by people who look it up from threads like this.
It has only a few thousand likes so like .00001% of the population read it.
People missed the flip when the media went from being relevant with influence on those who oppose Trump in general to being a chew toy for Trump to toss to his base to keep them fired up. They keep tweeting and making videos and posting stories but no one is really paying attention anymore. At this point I think more Trump supporters watch the msm to laugh and rage at them than those who oppose him past the die hard crazies.
Rush was just talking about how people keep saying "China needs to pay for this!"
He agrees, but he says "how do you do it, without China shutting down the export of critical goods to the USA" (like antibiotics for instance), and various other political problems.
But he also says he believes Trump agrees with that sentiment and wants China to pay, and wants to come up with a way to make it happen.
I think China is digging their own hole with how they're handling this virus, at least in the public's eyes. No new cases? An alleged patient zero just "disappearing"? Either way, I agree that our President has a plan, or is at least coming up with one on how to handle China, and lessen their impact on our lives and economy.
We need to make sure he gets a second term now more than ever.
If we rebook their share of the debt AND make it available on the open market (countries love buying our debt) we can nullify 5% of our national debt in one shot - effectively paying for all the stimuluses in one shot. We're talking over 2 trillion dollars.
edit - I think - I'm horribly mashing the terms and mechanisms - but the idea should be possible.
BTW - Vietnam is one more trade deal or alliance away from effectively losing the Vietnam war (the US portion). They seriously LOVE us and LOVE President Trump - and HATE China. They'd be my pick for the top in taking up manufacturing slack (compared to India). We'd have enough leverage to keep massive pollution out of the mix if we team-up right. Which would be nice, because Da Nang is a gorgeous city (the people are great too - very liberated compared to the usual Chicom nationalist stock). They don't need a 400% increase in eastern industrial fallout from a Western-edge industrial build-up.
I don't know if you timed-out (the site is slow at the moment I noticed) but don't keep spamming the same post please?
There are depressed regions of the United States that deserve that manufacturing business. Vietnam? How about the Rust Belt or upstate New York instead.
Distance. A lot of manufacturing requires nearby manufacturing of sub-components. Even if we have a handful of manufacturers ready to start in 90 days - we'd be missing a lot of supply chain. We're pretty spread out at the moment for a lot of stuff that's been concentrated in China for decades, that's pretty much the domain of asian countries. They have whole cities which are essentially mega-campuses of factories feeding each other.
To punish China 'now' - we need to move to all countries that can take it on 'now'. If we can do it 'now' then by all means - but I'm thinking shortest distance between 2 points, and hurting China the most - and the fastest.
There's also a population gap. The reason most assembly in China is done by hand is it allows instant line reconfiguration (which we can't do), and of course the massive amount of hands available. Vietnam would be only 'one' place required. There'd need to be plenty more (Vietnam isn't huge either at only around 100m - but it scales fast and has a lot of sub-components already available).
It's a big party and everyone is invited if we want to get out of China quick. And I mean domestic and international players.
The stimulus isn't $2T but 6. Maybe that won't all get spent since D's are trying to sink our small businesses, (I guess they figure they won't get any votes from small business owners anyway) but simply wiping out our debt to China isn't nearly enough to make us whole from the damage caused by China's culpability.
Is our damage really nothing more than the cost of the stimulus? I can think of umpteen different categories we're damaged. I'm sure you can too.
How many dead people? How much loss to our economy? How much expense to deal with all this bs? Testing, PPE, ventilators, building emergency hospitals, driving everything around. No, China can't make us whole by forgiving $2T in debt. There's not a Country on the planet that China can make whole. They owe the rest of the world a debt they can never repay.
We can't begin to calculate the cost until we're back to normal.
If you just look at the government response, doing sensible things, that'd be quite a "stimulus package." Include giving people medicine once we knew something could help. That would've gotten at least a large portion of the Country back to work quickly, but we have to add all sorts of bs to that. The panic and irrational behavior in the wake of this mess is debatable who's fault it is, but China is indirectly involved there too. I'm all in favor of holding our Governors accountable for their mistakes and moving forward with doing the right thing(s).
Vietnam is a single party communist state also. It is just a poorer China.
How about we learn our lessons and not do that shit again and instead bring things back to the west?
China was dragged in to the modern world by America, without America, China would be still as poor as North Korea. Look where that got us, for all our help we get lied about, spied on, all our IP stolen. We enabled China to do this to us, we must not repeat that.
Here's a fun fact - those 'Parallel Traders' who were coming from mainland China (the plague carrying vermin) and buying up masks and disinfectants and other items from the US, AUS and other countries?
That started decades ago after their shitty baby formula factories killed thousands of babies with toxic waste.
Right after - those who could afford it only purchased imported formula. That's how the whole thing got started. Not luxury goods - fucking EVERYTHING.
So ya - China is a total parasite, and their populace are a goddamn plague. We need to take a lesson from Japan who this week announced an incentive program to all companies in Japan to get the fuck out of China - totally.
I have no proof of this but I can't help but wonder if the Chinese engineered this virus specifically to crash the economies of the West while simultaneous providing them the perfect excuse to eliminate certain undesirables within their own country without anyone in the world so much as blinking an eye.
Thankfully no one belives China anymore. The media will always try to cover for them but the people know who is responsible for this virus. Even if they think its a natural virus they still blame China for keeping it secret for two months.
China wants to be seen as "clean" so countries open up borders and then China can ship out infected people again.
I would just lockdown China for a year or two. Bar travel to and from the country. Then bar any country that has opened its borders to them again.
But then again China needs to be locked off from the world regardless if it's telling the truth or not. As they will just do what they did again.
They've likely been diligently pumping lead into the back of the head of anyone even suspected of being infected since at least December. The crematorium whistle blowers from January and February are a pretty good indicator.
In Tienanmen Square, there were so many dead that they made "cake" out of the bodies by running them over with bulldozers then scraping the mass into big piles for haul-off.
I read the intelligence report from the UK that came out in Wikileaks. The word they used was "pie," and the claim was no bags were used but it was hosed down the drain.
Bigass drains somewhere; I don't recall detail being given on that. Either way, utter disregard for their own people. Imagine how little they care about the products they export being safe or fit for use.
Imagine having your head so far up your ass you believe China? Fuck NBC and all the other MSM outlets. If this blatant lying doesn't wake people up, I don't know what will.
I just bought some ink for my fountain pen, and the color is called "Tiananmen". It's the color of blood and the label has that picture of the dude standing in front of the tank lol
Noodler's ink. Got a big ole "MADE IN USA" printed on the label, too!
It's not the bamboo as much as the glues that are used when it is side pressed or flat pressed. I've installed many many thousands of sq ft of it and the rashes and sinus infections that I get are brutal.
Ah! I also occasionally install flooring, but cleaning carpet is my thing. As you know this is far more related than it used to be, as most companies that sell and or install carpet now do hard flooring of all types too. As such they know less about any one thing, and bamboo flooring or anything else somewhat new they actually know less about than they let on.
So I'll take it that bamboo flooring no matter where it's from is like the Chinese drywall, you simply don't want it in your home. At l;ast until further notice, that whatever problematic materials have been replaced with stuff that's safe.
Has anyone here ever looked in how much of the US media companies the Chinese own? Maybe the own a big part of CNN and the NYT and use them to spread propaganda.
Yeah, pretty sure mutually assured destruction is the expected outcome of any nuclear launch. I suppose some nuclear armed Countries have few enough that if they were to attack US, we wouldn't be wiped out assuming nobody else joined in.
A "boomer" is a specific type of nuclear submarine, the most lethal part of our nuclear triad. We have no replacement scheduled, and the existing ones all come out of service next decade. That could seriously reduce our deterrent value.
China is still rated behind Russia's military, which has to be solely because they have fewer nukes. I don't know how many we could knock out before they hit. Really hope not to find out! That's a capability we should be expanding. China's not far from being able to knock down anything as it gets above treeline, planes included. Directed energy from space. This is no doubt why DJT started a separate space force.
Distrust of the Chinese should not cloud our thoughts about
Americans working in tandem from the inside and international
finance, bankers without borders.
"China" captured sectors of the American and world economy.
It had help. Investors poured in. Now we have nationalist
movements all over the world. I'm just urging a rational
perspective. The solutions are above my pay grade.
Didn't they sell us tons of poison drywall a few years ago?
Make this total truth comment into a post!
After WW2/Cold War, we should have known future versions of war would NOT be tanks and trenches or nuclear, but propaganda machines, censorship machines, etc
Stealing university research, a massive number of spies and so much more.
My dog technically died of kidney failure at 1.5 in the 3rd grade, but I know it was the fucking Chinese dog food poisoning.
yep
Even Chinese people will order baby formula from Europe, Japan and the USA because they don't their own country to not poison their own citizens.
Flooring too. China nearly destroyed lumber liquidators by selling flooring that leeched formaldehyde
Let's not forget toxic plastic, lead in paint, they try to get away with way to much, huge mistake ever letting them in the WTO.
Between dry wall and wet markets they're doing their best to kill the West. If the Chinese don't stop eating every animal with a pulse, there won't be any humans left with a pulse.
That whole eating bat soup thing is a hoax . This was a bio-weapon that was released by CHINA
But the memes of bat soup are funny as hell.
They are pretty damn funny
...Released by selling tainted bats at the wet market. These ideas aren’t exclusive.
Seems like a pretty good place to release a Chinese bioweapon in a dirty ass wet market full of wet / room temperature meat
Even if the virus came from a lab, they still eat bats. And snakes. And dogs, cats, monkeys...
Fucking savages.
That's just the beginning....
I think they are still pissed about losing the opium wars against our cousins across the pond.
That was a decades long nightmare. The more I read about it the more blown away I am that it is never really looked at too closely in western classrooms. Nearly every Chinatown in the world, for example, was started by people from Guangzhou/Pearl River Delta region of China. Why? That is where the English set up their drug dealing zone. Imagine if the Mexican Cartels set up an autonomous Meth Zone in Louisiana. Crazy shit. All that said, Communism is worse than cancer.
Funny thing is that some of the the companies that profited from the Opium Wars still exist. And were Hillary donors.
HSBC baby! Been moving that drug $$$ for a minute now.
One of my friends that I knew when i lived in west palm had to vacate out of their nice condo because the state of florida found out about the building having chinese drywall. they have to tear the whole building down I think..
https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/west-palm-condo-building-plagued-by-chinese-drywall-6445805
Did they get their money back?
BELIEVE ALL WOMEN
BELIEVE CHINA
BELIEVE TRUMP IS HITLER
The entire twitter feed is propaganda but they don't seem to be reaching anyone other than getting ratioed by people who look it up from threads like this.
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1247484280529395712
It has only a few thousand likes so like .00001% of the population read it.
People missed the flip when the media went from being relevant with influence on those who oppose Trump in general to being a chew toy for Trump to toss to his base to keep them fired up. They keep tweeting and making videos and posting stories but no one is really paying attention anymore. At this point I think more Trump supporters watch the msm to laugh and rage at them than those who oppose him past the die hard crazies.
Believe our propaganda RACIST!
It's hilarious they question every single thing Trump says, but China - the actual fascist dictatorship - they take at their word
Is clown world even a meme anymore?
Rush was just talking about how people keep saying "China needs to pay for this!" He agrees, but he says "how do you do it, without China shutting down the export of critical goods to the USA" (like antibiotics for instance), and various other political problems. But he also says he believes Trump agrees with that sentiment and wants China to pay, and wants to come up with a way to make it happen.
I think China is digging their own hole with how they're handling this virus, at least in the public's eyes. No new cases? An alleged patient zero just "disappearing"? Either way, I agree that our President has a plan, or is at least coming up with one on how to handle China, and lessen their impact on our lives and economy.
We need to make sure he gets a second term now more than ever.
Don't forget the Drs disappearing also. #FuckChyNa
If we rebook their share of the debt AND make it available on the open market (countries love buying our debt) we can nullify 5% of our national debt in one shot - effectively paying for all the stimuluses in one shot. We're talking over 2 trillion dollars.
edit - I think - I'm horribly mashing the terms and mechanisms - but the idea should be possible.
BTW - Vietnam is one more trade deal or alliance away from effectively losing the Vietnam war (the US portion). They seriously LOVE us and LOVE President Trump - and HATE China. They'd be my pick for the top in taking up manufacturing slack (compared to India). We'd have enough leverage to keep massive pollution out of the mix if we team-up right. Which would be nice, because Da Nang is a gorgeous city (the people are great too - very liberated compared to the usual Chicom nationalist stock). They don't need a 400% increase in eastern industrial fallout from a Western-edge industrial build-up.
I don't know if you timed-out (the site is slow at the moment I noticed) but don't keep spamming the same post please?
There are depressed regions of the United States that deserve that manufacturing business. Vietnam? How about the Rust Belt or upstate New York instead.
Distance. A lot of manufacturing requires nearby manufacturing of sub-components. Even if we have a handful of manufacturers ready to start in 90 days - we'd be missing a lot of supply chain. We're pretty spread out at the moment for a lot of stuff that's been concentrated in China for decades, that's pretty much the domain of asian countries. They have whole cities which are essentially mega-campuses of factories feeding each other.
To punish China 'now' - we need to move to all countries that can take it on 'now'. If we can do it 'now' then by all means - but I'm thinking shortest distance between 2 points, and hurting China the most - and the fastest.
There's also a population gap. The reason most assembly in China is done by hand is it allows instant line reconfiguration (which we can't do), and of course the massive amount of hands available. Vietnam would be only 'one' place required. There'd need to be plenty more (Vietnam isn't huge either at only around 100m - but it scales fast and has a lot of sub-components already available).
It's a big party and everyone is invited if we want to get out of China quick. And I mean domestic and international players.
The stimulus isn't $2T but 6. Maybe that won't all get spent since D's are trying to sink our small businesses, (I guess they figure they won't get any votes from small business owners anyway) but simply wiping out our debt to China isn't nearly enough to make us whole from the damage caused by China's culpability.
Is our damage really nothing more than the cost of the stimulus? I can think of umpteen different categories we're damaged. I'm sure you can too.
So what's over 5% of our national debt currently? Sounds like it's still covered.
How many dead people? How much loss to our economy? How much expense to deal with all this bs? Testing, PPE, ventilators, building emergency hospitals, driving everything around. No, China can't make us whole by forgiving $2T in debt. There's not a Country on the planet that China can make whole. They owe the rest of the world a debt they can never repay.
We can't begin to calculate the cost until we're back to normal.
If you just look at the government response, doing sensible things, that'd be quite a "stimulus package." Include giving people medicine once we knew something could help. That would've gotten at least a large portion of the Country back to work quickly, but we have to add all sorts of bs to that. The panic and irrational behavior in the wake of this mess is debatable who's fault it is, but China is indirectly involved there too. I'm all in favor of holding our Governors accountable for their mistakes and moving forward with doing the right thing(s).
We can deal with China later.
So what's over 5% of our national debt currently? Sounds like it's still covered by China and could be rebooked.
Vietnam is a single party communist state also. It is just a poorer China.
How about we learn our lessons and not do that shit again and instead bring things back to the west?
China was dragged in to the modern world by America, without America, China would be still as poor as North Korea. Look where that got us, for all our help we get lied about, spied on, all our IP stolen. We enabled China to do this to us, we must not repeat that.
Trump has slowly been getting companies to move out of China. It's just that almost all of our shit comes from them, so it's a massive hurdle.
China is all in on this election.
And a lot have been relocating to Taiwan.
Don't trust China! China is asshoe!
The man who said that had no idea how iconic it would be. MHKGA
Can be made to sound kinda funny
Oontz Oontz Oontz Don ode Trump! Don't truss China! CHINA IS ASSHOE! Woop woop untz Tisk untz Tisk
The media are shills for communists and dictators. Their supplication to China is disgusting.
They've always been that way.
I trust tap water from Flint, MI more than China.
Never trust a commie.
Only good commie is a dead commie
China killed Tank Man infowars.com.
#SuckerCucks 🍭🤡
#EnemyOfThePeople
If China doesn't have any new cases why do they need to keep all the fucking masks and ventilators they had shipped back?
Do you have a loicense for that critical thought?
Crazy- they really are the enemy of the people.
Fuck these pos chicom letter network scumbags.
I don't believe EITHER the Chinese or the U.S. reports
They are not a crook?
Here's a fun fact - those 'Parallel Traders' who were coming from mainland China (the plague carrying vermin) and buying up masks and disinfectants and other items from the US, AUS and other countries?
That started decades ago after their shitty baby formula factories killed thousands of babies with toxic waste.
Right after - those who could afford it only purchased imported formula. That's how the whole thing got started. Not luxury goods - fucking EVERYTHING.
So ya - China is a total parasite, and their populace are a goddamn plague. We need to take a lesson from Japan who this week announced an incentive program to all companies in Japan to get the fuck out of China - totally.
True and who else likes to manipulate numbers? Tedros of the WHO with his faulty 3.4% death rate statement on March 3rd.
I want our media hung.
They're not trying to hide who they work for. They're traitors.
I have no proof of this but I can't help but wonder if the Chinese engineered this virus specifically to crash the economies of the West while simultaneous providing them the perfect excuse to eliminate certain undesirables within their own country without anyone in the world so much as blinking an eye.
Thankfully no one belives China anymore. The media will always try to cover for them but the people know who is responsible for this virus. Even if they think its a natural virus they still blame China for keeping it secret for two months.
China wants to be seen as "clean" so countries open up borders and then China can ship out infected people again.
I would just lockdown China for a year or two. Bar travel to and from the country. Then bar any country that has opened its borders to them again.
But then again China needs to be locked off from the world regardless if it's telling the truth or not. As they will just do what they did again.
The chinese put lead on paint on kids toys because they know babies put toys in their mouths and the lead will affect the american babies development
They've likely been diligently pumping lead into the back of the head of anyone even suspected of being infected since at least December. The crematorium whistle blowers from January and February are a pretty good indicator.
China is asshoe
Don't trust any communists.
Don't trust 99% of Third Worlders.
Don't trust 99.99% of the media.
China is Asshoe but he no care.
No. They is asshoe.
MSM. Enemy of the people.
In Tienanmen Square, there were so many dead that they made "cake" out of the bodies by running them over with bulldozers then scraping the mass into big piles for haul-off.
I read the intelligence report from the UK that came out in Wikileaks. The word they used was "pie," and the claim was no bags were used but it was hosed down the drain.
Bigass drains somewhere; I don't recall detail being given on that. Either way, utter disregard for their own people. Imagine how little they care about the products they export being safe or fit for use.
Yeah, many various accounts of the same story of atrocities. We need to keep telling though because there's a big effort to memory-hole it.
My family spent a fair bit of time around d a Chinese exchange student. My dad mentioned Tiananmen square and he had no clue about the murders.
I swear some of that chicken in my #3 combo has been cat/dog once or twice
Fun fact--there are currently 11 Secession movements going on in china right now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_China
If they don't report it, it never happened, DURRRRRRRRRR
Imagine having your head so far up your ass you believe China? Fuck NBC and all the other MSM outlets. If this blatant lying doesn't wake people up, I don't know what will.
No
According to China, only 144 people died of flu in China in 2018. Every stat you get from asshoe country is fake.
the Nazi invasion of Poland, China eyed Tibet and said hold my beer.
I just bought some ink for my fountain pen, and the color is called "Tiananmen". It's the color of blood and the label has that picture of the dude standing in front of the tank lol
Noodler's ink. Got a big ole "MADE IN USA" printed on the label, too!
Bamboo flooring is Chinese poison
Can you explain the problem with bamboo flooring? What if the bamboo isn't sourced from China?
It's not the bamboo as much as the glues that are used when it is side pressed or flat pressed. I've installed many many thousands of sq ft of it and the rashes and sinus infections that I get are brutal.
Ah! I also occasionally install flooring, but cleaning carpet is my thing. As you know this is far more related than it used to be, as most companies that sell and or install carpet now do hard flooring of all types too. As such they know less about any one thing, and bamboo flooring or anything else somewhat new they actually know less about than they let on.
So I'll take it that bamboo flooring no matter where it's from is like the Chinese drywall, you simply don't want it in your home. At l;ast until further notice, that whatever problematic materials have been replaced with stuff that's safe.
Very helpful information! Thank you :)
Why do they boil them alive? Humane reasons aside, wouldn't it be a lot easier to kill them first?
Has anyone here ever looked in how much of the US media companies the Chinese own? Maybe the own a big part of CNN and the NYT and use them to spread propaganda.
Facts haha
Commies are always lying, you can never trust them with anything.
What's the official death count from Chernobyl?
M.A.D.
Yeah, pretty sure mutually assured destruction is the expected outcome of any nuclear launch. I suppose some nuclear armed Countries have few enough that if they were to attack US, we wouldn't be wiped out assuming nobody else joined in.
A "boomer" is a specific type of nuclear submarine, the most lethal part of our nuclear triad. We have no replacement scheduled, and the existing ones all come out of service next decade. That could seriously reduce our deterrent value.
China is still rated behind Russia's military, which has to be solely because they have fewer nukes. I don't know how many we could knock out before they hit. Really hope not to find out! That's a capability we should be expanding. China's not far from being able to knock down anything as it gets above treeline, planes included. Directed energy from space. This is no doubt why DJT started a separate space force.
Distrust of the Chinese should not cloud our thoughts about Americans working in tandem from the inside and international finance, bankers without borders.
How does this help?
"China" captured sectors of the American and world economy. It had help. Investors poured in. Now we have nationalist movements all over the world. I'm just urging a rational perspective. The solutions are above my pay grade.
Nope.
Never have. Hillary Clinton worked as a “lawyer” in the US Patent office for many years and stole our patents. Guess where she sold them to? Chinks!
I don't really give a shit about China anymore. We need to focus on opening up again and worry about China later.
No offense Pede but that's low energy.
They also execute people for their organs.
The madness of The Rational Revolution.