If we know hydroxychloroquine is effective in over 90% of cases, then we would have a workable treatment already in place.
So even if people get the virus, they can get tested as soon as they have symptoms, and get a prescription treatment.
Yes, people will continue to get infected, but almost all will be cured without being hospitalized, etc., and our systems will have capacity to test, treat, mitigate as needed.
Seems to me that HCQ is just as important, if not more, than the antibody testing and so on - because it protects the downside. There's a way to deal with it when people get it.
Everyone back to work. If you feel sick, stay home. If you begin to experience China virus-like symptoms, go to a local health professional and get some HCQ (get tested for virus if possible). Stay home for a week or two. Return to work after. Everyone keep practicing basic common-sense hygiene.
Exactly.
That's why we need to see the results of these trials ASAP. The work out of France is getting to be pretty conclusive.
The study by Dr Zelenko in NYC is far better, and very conclusive. Nobody has produced any data to refute it's effectiveness, although it seems some studies are excluding zinc, which shouldn't even be considered as being in the same category. It's just so much wasted effort, and zinc is cheap.
Further, Dr Zelenko's study also demonstrates the effectiveness of giving more HCQ in the first two days, if needed. The results are significantly worse when everybody's given 400 mg of HCQ and medication stops after 5 days:
out of 900 patients studied:
6 hospitalized, all 60+ I forget how many were released quickly, but some were
3 put on a ventilator. 2 came off it quickly.
0 dead.
350 given medication, the other 550 weren't due to the Dr deciding they would recover on their own ("young and healthy" meaning under 60 with no underlying health conditions)
The first 600 studied had:
0 dead
0 needed a ventilator
3 hospitalized, all over 60
All breathing problems gone in 2 days
Some people given 800 mg HCQ for the first 2 days. Some given medication longer than 5 days, but this report was after day 9. In any event the donated HCQ comes in packets of 15; 1 is enough to give a full course of treatment. 5 each of the other 2 elements of this "cocktail" are all that's needed.
People worrying about side effects are maddeningly stupid. Screen out for people prone to heart arrhythmia, and all you have to worry about is nausea and diarrhhea, which are symptoms of Wuhan flue anyway so you can't even tell. Some people develop a rash, but this too is very rare. Dead with no rash is better?
Right to try means no one is forced to take it. Heart arrhythmia can produce death pretty quickly. Anyone worried about that is free to decline. HCQ and azithromycin each have this risk / contraindication. An LA Dr is getting good results with a different antibiotic that doesn't have this risk. (doxycycliine?)
Excellent - I've seen Zelenko's work and it's impressive, but wasn't sure how strictly "scientific" his research was as compared to Raoult's in France.
The thing is, ALL the data we've seen has been awesome so far. Together there's quite a case to be made for HCQ.
This is the way, Trump needs to proclaim it so
Here's a real life proof from one of my Facebook "friends" https://thedonald.win/p/FMXbcjMf/hydroxychloroquine-redpill-found/
Testing has zero relevance on reopening. You have it or you don't. If you have it, you have symptoms or you don't. If you have symptoms they are severe or they are not. If they are severe you stay home from work and see a doctor for treatment. Such as it works with every other illness.
I'm talking about antibody testing, not testing for the virus itself. We need to know how many people in the overall population have been exposed to it to have some sense of what we're dealing with.
That's a huge piece of info that we don't currently have - the tests are being developed.
You are demonstrating not knowing what it means that this is a "novel coronavirus." No, nobody has any immunity unless they have been infected. Mere presence of the antibodies doesn't mean they aren't currently infected.
People that have recovered are virus-free and immune. They can all return to work immediately with no risk. Currently the reported number averages 536 people per State, yet no States support that number so we're being lied to about number of dead, recovered, and I therefore assume total cases too. These are all higher than actual, but we don't know by how much.
If everyone currently infected were given Trump pills not only would we have plenty left for everyone else, most would be virus-free in 6 days and we could add over 300,000 to the number of people who safely return to work with no risk very quickly. This would be the start of building "herd immunity." If we add to this opening up all Counties with total infected people of 0-10, we will experience a second wave of new cases, but it will be small and easy to handle. This would cover a huge part of the Country geographically, and have our gdp at least start to bounce back. It would give us valuable experience and data about how to open the rest of the Country responsibly.
If you look at the latest French study of 973 patients, they report 5 deaths of the 973 and interestingly those 5 were over 75 years old. Doesn't that mean then that all the other patients who are not over 75 (and maybe some over 75 too) have in essence, not died? If so, we can address those in the higher age brackets, but anyone who think they've gotten the virus should be tested and put on the regimen.
Zero deaths for under 75 years old patients is not anecdotal evidence (unless you are a propeller head bean counter like Fauxi).
^THIS.
Somebody get this freak some tendies - fast.
I’m actually all stocked up.
The antibody test is the equivalent of a random person inspecting houses for robbery. Does it look like someone may have been inside your house(messy individuals=strong immune system)?
Well if someone who didn’t know how you lived walked into your shithole then they would assume you have been robbed, especially if the media has induced mass panif about how everyone is being robbed.
No, harassing autocratic governors into listening to the will of the people is the key to reopening the economy.
Please define "harassment." This hasn't seemed to work re: elections or anything else so I am highly skeptical, but I could be persuaded
Trump needs to use executive order to unban all hcq treatment banned by democrats like cuomo
What will it take to make this practice more dominant?
We want to our economy saved!
TY
its the only thing that has mattered since day one, anyone who has a conversation about the virus and not that is fear-mongering .
HCQ and antibody testing may help us to build up and quantify enough herd immunity to contain this virus.