You seem to share my sentiments exactly! Here are some details I've fleshed out to that effect, please let me know what you think or how you would improve it:
China owes the rest of the world a debt it can never repay. Those talking about war need to realize China is already at war, and we need to fight back. We need to convince the rest of the world to agree to:
default on all debt to China
nationalize all Chinese investment in all our Countries
kick out all Chinese citizens, forbidding them to return. They’re all ordered to spy on us, under threat of physical harm to their families or themselves
disable / destroy the level 4 lab in Wuhan. The whole world warned them about this before we let them have it.
boycott China. Let them buy our food, but no aid.
commit to a military alliance that guarantees China never bullies anyone in the south China sea. They could tax everything that moves and fund themselves as a perpetual world power. A 60 year short-term initial commitment is good. Anything less and China won’t be fazed.
China has been unjustly enriching themselves and robbing everyone else by overfishing the oceans of the world. Countries too small to furnish ships to prevent this can donate an appropriate amount to a Country of their choice that operates ships for this purpose.
China knows this is just, which is why they’re fighting desperately in the arena of world opinion, trying to blame US.
These are all great ideas. I think the first step is bringing in News Outlets, and politicians that have been paid for by china and recieve kick backs for selling out our country to trial for aiding a foreign power against our own country and citizens interests. I think hardships created in China by a failing economy (with your ideas) will cause a massive civil unrest that will bring down the CCP.
You see my point! Yes I do think this would push the good people of China to oust the CCP as a failed regime, for the betterment of all of humanity. Hopefully we can do it in a way that doesn't encourage them to eat more bats.
And you added some ideas I hadn't thought of: drain the swamp in terms of Chinese involvement too! This side of the equation has to be dealt with too, you're absolutely right.
I do want to clarify: people who migrated here legally would be unaffected by any of this. Even if they were born in China. Although they may still love their homeland, they are not controlled by the CCP. Which is the main reason they would have come here legally.
The CCP actually had a constitution providing for term limits, but they scrapped it to give Xi president for-life status. Maybe they're finally having buyer's remorse, seeing him as not just excessively brutal but incompetent, doing the country more harm than good.
trial for aiding a foreign power against our own country and citizens interests.
This is the real reason the plebeians (the talking heads, and the government employees, and the low level congress critters and lobbyists that will never actually be part of the elite) push so hard for globalism. In globalism there is no such thing as treason.
Also: Pressure UK to back out of their insane Huawei deal, which would let China spy on Five Eyes and put yet another world-domination piece in place. The UK Cabinet's already furious with China for its deadly lies about the virus.
Agreed 100%! I don't know what other things BoJo has done that are seen as bad from a conservative POV, but this one is a biggie. Factor in all the things China / Chinese citizens have done to deliberately make this crisis worse not only in UK but around the world, and I'd hope he'd be reversing engines on the Huawei deal as fast as possible.
If he does, what damage has he caused? Just set back the 5G rollout by several months?
Great list! I'd add that they're ahead of us in developing a Space Force, allowing total surveillance and military control worldwide from 20,000 miles up.
Of course we now officially have our own Space Force, and a Pede apparently with inside military/intel knowledge has assured me (in the comments) that the US is working VERY hard on closing the gap in Space Race 2.0. (I tell ya, if it isn't one Cold War we're fighting with the Commies, it's another.)
Holy mackerel Andy! Please create a post for this, so it gets more visibility and we can discuss more aspects of this. I've been focusing on a very near term action plan, and I do think it is vital for the continued existence of the US as we know it; but it won't bring us to 2049. I haven't created a separate post of it specifically because I (and many others) see the need to shelter it from prying eyes that mean us evil within our own government, without even being part of the deep state. You can look in my history and see the last post I created to see the "big picture" that I want to raise awareness of and how this current crisis fits into that. And more people are seeing it now, and that needs to expand.
Yet everything I've done is small potatoes compared to this. And there's nothing to hide. My main question on the subject here is Kwan said this doesn't need to be military. How does this space race become so urgent if China isn't destroying our investments in space and there's no military aspect? I'd think sufficient laser power and speed of acquiring target would be paramount.
I've already posted this, but it only got 20-30 upvotes and a "meh." I'm surprised Pedes aren't paying more attention to this.
It's obvious it has to be military. as well. Maybe you could make a separate post including the space race (with video source) in a list of priorities. Right now your comments (which are excellent) are buried in a comments section.
All the more reason to do all this. We need a 3 day conference, where all world leaders are gathered. End with the presentation about China's proposed domination and militarization of space. These 7 steps would certainly set their plans back, hopefully so much that they have to scramble everything they can terrestrially just to defend what they've got.
Not that we want to interfere within their borders, but they've done some "annexation" that they should be worried about, and apparently should be a higher priority for us than Crimea.
Good idea. Keeping in mind how many world leaders are in bed with China.
Also, there's a possibility that China's economy is headed for a serious crash. Not just the bad pandemic PR hit and the anger of important world leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson--important as that is as a possible tipping point. Tthere are the tariffs and the effect they're having on US companies who have been rethinking their production and supply strategies. And now Kudlow is proposing huge govt funding for our companies to get the fuck out of there.
“I think there will be a massive onshoring especially for national security items...China will be a loser in that. Post-pandemic, you will see a slow severing of ties between the U.S. and China.”
Dear God, may it happen! But we have to remember that China has powerful allies in the highest places in the US who'll fighting the Trump Admin all the way if they go this route--the same fucks who've been blaming Trump for the pandemic and are now cooking up another impeachment hoax, or "investigation" (Schiff).
Pisses me right off! We have to remember our fellow Americans are not our enemies. Well, most of them aren't. antifa mostly needs some parental guidance. Leftards need a brain. Schiff needs a life sentence on gitmo. Dunham really needs to follow through and sentence the coup before 11/3. I leave Barr out of it because he's too intimidated by the DS to touch them, or he's a chicomm, or whatever his deal is that he'll only prosecute conservatives and foreigners.
About this removing US investment out of China: is it really a good idea to have taxpayers foot the bill for shipping everything back home? What about raising funds through some combination of stock sales, guaranteed government loans near 0%, and whatever else?
That assumes that China doesn't prevent it entirely, which some here speculate they might. I don't see it as worth going to war over
I personally wouldn’t go that far because it’s going to cause an actual war, and most of the problem is the government not just Chinese people, but I do think everything with China should be rethought.
China's already at war, just not in a way we've ever seen. The advantage to "going that far" is it pits most of the world against China. They can't hope to fight against the whole world. China has never won a war and they know it. What they CAN do is conventional troops against SE asia, and completely outnumber them. In which case our greatest superiority, air power and standoff weapons, can decimate their troop buildups with essentially no risk.
One other poster claimed they'd go nuclear. M.A.D. is still in effect, and China is greatly at the disadvantage there. They should know they done messed up.
Which part do you think is going too far? #7 should have been done before they even started militarizing their man-made islands. #6 & 7 merely prevent them from being pirates.
I wouldn’t do 1 because that can throw the entire world currency market out of whack. I’m fine discussing and negotiating debt down as their repayment to the world, but just defaulting on all of it’s too dangerous for everyone.
I’m not sure what you mean by 2 besides seizing Chinese owned things in America. Is that correct? If it is, bad precedent to set if government can just seize privately owned property. Worse, the second a D gets in office, they’re taking all our shit and giving it to the unemployed.
For 3, that’s just way too much for me. China and the CCP are the enemy, not everyone that happens to look like an anime character. Plenty of legally immigrated Chinese here also hate the CCP. Almost no one in China likes the CCP, and suddenly making an enemy of them puts everyone in a bad position because it’s not like we’re going to take over and repopulate China. I’m fine kicking out illegals, but not people that did it right, and not based on their race. I’m fine kicking out ambassadors and government types.
I’m okay with 5. I don’t really know enough about 6 to be for or against it.
For 7, I again don’t know enough about that to comment.
China’s been at a Cold War with the world for a long time, and only came to be what they are now because we supported them and our officials sold us out. I think debt with them should be renegotiated, production should be pulled out of there, boycotts, tariffs, all that, as well as massive immigration restrictions from there going forward. Hell, maybe don’t allow them to buy US stocks. I’m also entirely open to getting their ownership out of key US industries, like MSM companies and entertainment companies. Cutting off all aid to China is fine. Others asked them for help and they sold back their own medical supplies to them laced with Kung Flu. I don’t want to act like China in how we deal with China though.
We can also economically empower nations at odds with China by simply making more favorable trade deals with them too.
There isn't enough Chinese debt to pay for their mistake. Our world currencies have already been thrown out of whack. Chinese currency is still a 2bit player. It will ascend and USD will seriously lose purchasing power if we don't do something drastic. That will make us all paupers.
That all changes if nobody gives China a dime, for anything.
When I say "default," I do mean everyone giving an accounting of the debt. For US, that would include debt we are owed in offsetting fashion. We've been ripped off in this way for ages.
you raise a good objection. There's little distinction between Chinese publicly vs privately owned investment, once you get past a certain level. For instance our ports, bridges and toll roads. Those are owned and operated by Chinese "companies," but they are essentially nationally owned.
When you get down to individual houses, this may well be different in at least many cases. Those investments maybe we can honor rather than nationalize? This would have to be scrutinized in order to determine who the real owner is. I strongly suspect they operate National holding companies that own vast quantities of US real estate, including high rise commercial properties. All of this looks like it's privately held, but is not. China has weaponized this. Nationalizing this would not target anyone who is a US citizen. Would that really set the stage for future abuse by our own government of our own citizens? I think the whole point of divesting from China is to weed out that problem.
there's a huge difference between a Chinese citizen and someone of Chinese descent. Anyone here that's currently a citizen of China (not a dual citizen) has been tasked with furnishing the CCP information under threat of physical harm to their family and/or their own person. IOW they're forced to spy for free. This is true all over the world. Our intelligence community has warned us about this for decades. Their coercive measures should be seen as 100% effective: people need to get permission to come here, social credit score is nothing compared to live organ harvesting without anesthesia. You don't have to actually do very much of that in order to have everyone avoid it by any means they possibly can.
is what China refers to as their "9 dash line." They've gone so far as to legislate that every map made in China depicts China as possessing the ocean inside this line, that deprives every other Country with coast on the south China sea of very substantial rights. The even bigger problem that hasn't started happening yet is that if allowed to continue tightening their grip on the south China sea, they could be unchallenged pirates of everything that moves in the world's busiest trade route. China isn't likely to thieve goods, but taxing everything is no different than them buying up our ports bridges and toll roads. We should expect this, and the revenue would quickly dwarf our aircraft carrier fleet.
We don't have the ability to stop this militarily, neither do we have plans for such capacity. We would need a huge military alliance for that. This is why the current case of Cptn Stozier is such a big deal. We can slow them down, which they understandably see as a nuisance.
Their "nine dash line" is the easiest thing here for you to Google and get an accurate read on what's going on there.
is amazing to see the extent of ecological damage, worldwide. Not nearly as many articles written on that topic as #6 though. This literally robs everyone else on the planet, and has been ongoing for decades.
"Economically empowering nations at odds with China," meaning most of the world except Iran N Korea and Russia. Most are bullied. Africans generally have a strange combination of resentment about colonialism while embracing China's takeover of everything they've got. We probably can't stop that, and this will generate more revenue for China than their intent to stripmine the moon and asteroids.
China has strong intentions of extending its cruel totalitarian grasp all over the world. They're well on their way towards realizing that goal. We need to bring that to a screeching halt, and it will be considerably more difficult than bringing this plague to a screeching halt.
We should let China try to float everything the US is floating. The UN, WHO, etc. Just let them take over funding all that and see how quickly they get sick of that shit.
WHO’s a bunch of retards if they think they can be so openly against the US when the US is the one funding it.
Make China pay our National Debt off & cut them off from all economic, military, financial, international diplomatic, AND humanitarian resources permanently.
lol, I've been thinking "I bet a big part of all of this is the chineese are just pissed they have to wear masks in their shit hole county and want the rest of the world to be as inconvenienced."
I really hope the world wakes up to the dangers of dealing with China, and cuts them off completely.
You seem to share my sentiments exactly! Here are some details I've fleshed out to that effect, please let me know what you think or how you would improve it:
China owes the rest of the world a debt it can never repay. Those talking about war need to realize China is already at war, and we need to fight back. We need to convince the rest of the world to agree to:
default on all debt to China
nationalize all Chinese investment in all our Countries
kick out all Chinese citizens, forbidding them to return. They’re all ordered to spy on us, under threat of physical harm to their families or themselves
disable / destroy the level 4 lab in Wuhan. The whole world warned them about this before we let them have it.
boycott China. Let them buy our food, but no aid.
commit to a military alliance that guarantees China never bullies anyone in the south China sea. They could tax everything that moves and fund themselves as a perpetual world power. A 60 year short-term initial commitment is good. Anything less and China won’t be fazed.
China has been unjustly enriching themselves and robbing everyone else by overfishing the oceans of the world. Countries too small to furnish ships to prevent this can donate an appropriate amount to a Country of their choice that operates ships for this purpose.
China knows this is just, which is why they’re fighting desperately in the arena of world opinion, trying to blame US.
These are all great ideas. I think the first step is bringing in News Outlets, and politicians that have been paid for by china and recieve kick backs for selling out our country to trial for aiding a foreign power against our own country and citizens interests. I think hardships created in China by a failing economy (with your ideas) will cause a massive civil unrest that will bring down the CCP.
You see my point! Yes I do think this would push the good people of China to oust the CCP as a failed regime, for the betterment of all of humanity. Hopefully we can do it in a way that doesn't encourage them to eat more bats.
And you added some ideas I hadn't thought of: drain the swamp in terms of Chinese involvement too! This side of the equation has to be dealt with too, you're absolutely right.
I do want to clarify: people who migrated here legally would be unaffected by any of this. Even if they were born in China. Although they may still love their homeland, they are not controlled by the CCP. Which is the main reason they would have come here legally.
If not the CCP at least the vicious lunatic currently in charge. There have been mutinous mutterings in the Party lately.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/24/china-communist-party-members-share-letter-urging-removal-of-xi-jinping/
The CCP actually had a constitution providing for term limits, but they scrapped it to give Xi president for-life status. Maybe they're finally having buyer's remorse, seeing him as not just excessively brutal but incompetent, doing the country more harm than good.
A possibility.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that. Thanks for the link. Stay well friend!
This is the real reason the plebeians (the talking heads, and the government employees, and the low level congress critters and lobbyists that will never actually be part of the elite) push so hard for globalism. In globalism there is no such thing as treason.
Also: Pressure UK to back out of their insane Huawei deal, which would let China spy on Five Eyes and put yet another world-domination piece in place. The UK Cabinet's already furious with China for its deadly lies about the virus.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/29/uk-furious-over-chinese-lies-calls-for-reckoning-of-relationship/
Boris has reason to be taking all this VERY personally. He may not need much pressuring at this point.
Really, now is the time for all good men and woman to WAKE THE FUCK UP. This is WAR.
Agreed 100%! I don't know what other things BoJo has done that are seen as bad from a conservative POV, but this one is a biggie. Factor in all the things China / Chinese citizens have done to deliberately make this crisis worse not only in UK but around the world, and I'd hope he'd be reversing engines on the Huawei deal as fast as possible.
If he does, what damage has he caused? Just set back the 5G rollout by several months?
Great list! I'd add that they're ahead of us in developing a Space Force, allowing total surveillance and military control worldwide from 20,000 miles up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsPLmb6gAdw
Here's a summary I posted:
https://thedonald.win/p/FMXUoMJI/the-second-space-race-the-wuhan-/
Of course we now officially have our own Space Force, and a Pede apparently with inside military/intel knowledge has assured me (in the comments) that the US is working VERY hard on closing the gap in Space Race 2.0. (I tell ya, if it isn't one Cold War we're fighting with the Commies, it's another.)
Holy mackerel Andy! Please create a post for this, so it gets more visibility and we can discuss more aspects of this. I've been focusing on a very near term action plan, and I do think it is vital for the continued existence of the US as we know it; but it won't bring us to 2049. I haven't created a separate post of it specifically because I (and many others) see the need to shelter it from prying eyes that mean us evil within our own government, without even being part of the deep state. You can look in my history and see the last post I created to see the "big picture" that I want to raise awareness of and how this current crisis fits into that. And more people are seeing it now, and that needs to expand.
Yet everything I've done is small potatoes compared to this. And there's nothing to hide. My main question on the subject here is Kwan said this doesn't need to be military. How does this space race become so urgent if China isn't destroying our investments in space and there's no military aspect? I'd think sufficient laser power and speed of acquiring target would be paramount.
I've already posted this, but it only got 20-30 upvotes and a "meh." I'm surprised Pedes aren't paying more attention to this.
It's obvious it has to be military. as well. Maybe you could make a separate post including the space race (with video source) in a list of priorities. Right now your comments (which are excellent) are buried in a comments section.
I'm happy to help any way I can..
All the more reason to do all this. We need a 3 day conference, where all world leaders are gathered. End with the presentation about China's proposed domination and militarization of space. These 7 steps would certainly set their plans back, hopefully so much that they have to scramble everything they can terrestrially just to defend what they've got. Not that we want to interfere within their borders, but they've done some "annexation" that they should be worried about, and apparently should be a higher priority for us than Crimea.
Good idea. Keeping in mind how many world leaders are in bed with China.
Also, there's a possibility that China's economy is headed for a serious crash. Not just the bad pandemic PR hit and the anger of important world leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson--important as that is as a possible tipping point. Tthere are the tariffs and the effect they're having on US companies who have been rethinking their production and supply strategies. And now Kudlow is proposing huge govt funding for our companies to get the fuck out of there.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/10/kudlow-pay-the-moving-costs-of-american-companies-leaving-china/#110476f613c6
From the article:
“I think there will be a massive onshoring especially for national security items...China will be a loser in that. Post-pandemic, you will see a slow severing of ties between the U.S. and China.”
Dear God, may it happen! But we have to remember that China has powerful allies in the highest places in the US who'll fighting the Trump Admin all the way if they go this route--the same fucks who've been blaming Trump for the pandemic and are now cooking up another impeachment hoax, or "investigation" (Schiff).
Fucking traitors.
Pisses me right off! We have to remember our fellow Americans are not our enemies. Well, most of them aren't. antifa mostly needs some parental guidance. Leftards need a brain. Schiff needs a life sentence on gitmo. Dunham really needs to follow through and sentence the coup before 11/3. I leave Barr out of it because he's too intimidated by the DS to touch them, or he's a chicomm, or whatever his deal is that he'll only prosecute conservatives and foreigners.
About this removing US investment out of China: is it really a good idea to have taxpayers foot the bill for shipping everything back home? What about raising funds through some combination of stock sales, guaranteed government loans near 0%, and whatever else?
That assumes that China doesn't prevent it entirely, which some here speculate they might. I don't see it as worth going to war over
I personally wouldn’t go that far because it’s going to cause an actual war, and most of the problem is the government not just Chinese people, but I do think everything with China should be rethought.
China's already at war, just not in a way we've ever seen. The advantage to "going that far" is it pits most of the world against China. They can't hope to fight against the whole world. China has never won a war and they know it. What they CAN do is conventional troops against SE asia, and completely outnumber them. In which case our greatest superiority, air power and standoff weapons, can decimate their troop buildups with essentially no risk.
One other poster claimed they'd go nuclear. M.A.D. is still in effect, and China is greatly at the disadvantage there. They should know they done messed up.
Which part do you think is going too far? #7 should have been done before they even started militarizing their man-made islands. #6 & 7 merely prevent them from being pirates.
I wouldn’t do 1 because that can throw the entire world currency market out of whack. I’m fine discussing and negotiating debt down as their repayment to the world, but just defaulting on all of it’s too dangerous for everyone.
I’m not sure what you mean by 2 besides seizing Chinese owned things in America. Is that correct? If it is, bad precedent to set if government can just seize privately owned property. Worse, the second a D gets in office, they’re taking all our shit and giving it to the unemployed.
For 3, that’s just way too much for me. China and the CCP are the enemy, not everyone that happens to look like an anime character. Plenty of legally immigrated Chinese here also hate the CCP. Almost no one in China likes the CCP, and suddenly making an enemy of them puts everyone in a bad position because it’s not like we’re going to take over and repopulate China. I’m fine kicking out illegals, but not people that did it right, and not based on their race. I’m fine kicking out ambassadors and government types.
I’m okay with 5. I don’t really know enough about 6 to be for or against it.
For 7, I again don’t know enough about that to comment.
China’s been at a Cold War with the world for a long time, and only came to be what they are now because we supported them and our officials sold us out. I think debt with them should be renegotiated, production should be pulled out of there, boycotts, tariffs, all that, as well as massive immigration restrictions from there going forward. Hell, maybe don’t allow them to buy US stocks. I’m also entirely open to getting their ownership out of key US industries, like MSM companies and entertainment companies. Cutting off all aid to China is fine. Others asked them for help and they sold back their own medical supplies to them laced with Kung Flu. I don’t want to act like China in how we deal with China though.
We can also economically empower nations at odds with China by simply making more favorable trade deals with them too.
There isn't enough Chinese debt to pay for their mistake. Our world currencies have already been thrown out of whack. Chinese currency is still a 2bit player. It will ascend and USD will seriously lose purchasing power if we don't do something drastic. That will make us all paupers.
That all changes if nobody gives China a dime, for anything. When I say "default," I do mean everyone giving an accounting of the debt. For US, that would include debt we are owed in offsetting fashion. We've been ripped off in this way for ages.
When you get down to individual houses, this may well be different in at least many cases. Those investments maybe we can honor rather than nationalize? This would have to be scrutinized in order to determine who the real owner is. I strongly suspect they operate National holding companies that own vast quantities of US real estate, including high rise commercial properties. All of this looks like it's privately held, but is not. China has weaponized this. Nationalizing this would not target anyone who is a US citizen. Would that really set the stage for future abuse by our own government of our own citizens? I think the whole point of divesting from China is to weed out that problem.
We don't have the ability to stop this militarily, neither do we have plans for such capacity. We would need a huge military alliance for that. This is why the current case of Cptn Stozier is such a big deal. We can slow them down, which they understandably see as a nuisance.
Their "nine dash line" is the easiest thing here for you to Google and get an accurate read on what's going on there.
"Economically empowering nations at odds with China," meaning most of the world except Iran N Korea and Russia. Most are bullied. Africans generally have a strange combination of resentment about colonialism while embracing China's takeover of everything they've got. We probably can't stop that, and this will generate more revenue for China than their intent to stripmine the moon and asteroids.
China has strong intentions of extending its cruel totalitarian grasp all over the world. They're well on their way towards realizing that goal. We need to bring that to a screeching halt, and it will be considerably more difficult than bringing this plague to a screeching halt.
I really hope the nation wake up to the dangers of the liberal commies and cuts them off. China doesn't cast our votes, yet.
China took over the world. It didn't even have to fire a shot.
The Insidious Pooh Man Chu
China best asshoe.
We should let China try to float everything the US is floating. The UN, WHO, etc. Just let them take over funding all that and see how quickly they get sick of that shit.
WHO’s a bunch of retards if they think they can be so openly against the US when the US is the one funding it.
WHO is not alone, much of the world does the same thing.
Add to that eating a salad on the rocks, at the beach, here in San Diego county. https://beachgrit.com/2020/04/breaking-brave-surf-journalist-chas-smith-gets-smashed-by-coronavirus-gestapo-for-daring-to-eat-a-salad-near-the-beach/
Hah that was a great read!
The real reason why they are letting the Child rapists and other felons out of the prisons is to make room for you!!!!!!!!!!!
It exposes how far down we've gone. Proof. Now what we gonna do about it?
Say it with me: CHINA. IS. ASSHOE.
Make China pay our National Debt off & cut them off from all economic, military, financial, international diplomatic, AND humanitarian resources permanently.
lol, I've been thinking "I bet a big part of all of this is the chineese are just pissed they have to wear masks in their shit hole county and want the rest of the world to be as inconvenienced."
anyone got a source on the "being in their own yard" one?
Here’s to the dude who tried to rando attack my family today - fuck you, buddy.
Here’s to the NY system that releases them faster than detaining- fuck you, buddy.
Stay safe and head on a swivel- this perp almost got ran over by the family truckster - let it be a lesson.