SEIU 121RN, Southern California’s Union of Registered Nurses, launched an online petition accusing hospitals who did not agree to take part in the deal of “putting bottom line profits over your safety."
Yep. Here is something I've been wondering and I'd like your take on it.
Unions like SEIU and the rest always have their petitions, protest and strikes. They always use the language of social arsonists, trying to antagonize as much as possible with emotion driven rhetoric. SHAME ON [INSERT COMPANY HERE], HURTS FAMILIES, PUTS PROFITS OVER PEOPLE! ON AND ON AND ON!
The question is, how much of an effect do these have? Does their effect diminish over time? Is anyone even paying attention to them anymore?
I would imagine, like most things in life, such tactics have a shelf life of effectiveness. And over time, they are less and less useful to their cause.
I used to work for an SEIU local. Their rhetoric was so ridiculous- every staff meeting we had to listen to why X legislation or Y court decision would be "the end of the union." And how we had to get out and engage with the members to get them to come protest so they could get headlines and put pressure on the local politicians to give them what they wanted. Meanwhile the work that actually needed to get done was put on the backburner (actual, legitimate grievances to be resolved). You either drank the purple Kool-aid and rose through the ranks, or realized what a sham the whole thing was and quit out of disgust. I was in the latter camp.
For the last couple years I’ve had experience with a union. Never thought I would join one until I got this job. Didn’t have to join, but I looked into and thought it might be beneficial. I know about their political contributions that I disagree with (that my dues help pay) and I can’t stand the whole “we stand in solidarity, brothers and sisters!” thing, but maybe I’d be able to run for an office and start to change things from inside. I know, I’d have a better shot at seeing Hunter Biden’s financials but nativity is a hell of a drug.
So now almost 2 years later I’m questioning my membership because I see the union as hindering to actually getting the job done we’re supposed to. Thanks to the union all of us are now working 12 hour days, some weeks 5 days some weeks 6 days, until this Wuhan Flu bullshit is done. Not because there’s that much extra workload (there is extra, but not mandatory, indefinite 12 hour shifts for everyone worth) but because of the rules the union has in place with the number of employees we have. We had to bring in some temps to help and that means that to justify them being there we all work 12s or the union files grievances. Management doesn’t want that. But yet some of us will be making more than $60 an hour on OT. And the union will still file grievances because some employees will be working too many hours. It’s a total shit show.
But there is a flip side and the union does provide a lot for the members. But I think I’m the end it’s the union that will end up destroying itself, just like the democrat party is doing now.
And I feel I should say I consider myself fortunate to still be working (even though I’m being overworked) because when the bills come due I won’t have that stress of being unemployed.
I’m sorry for everyone that will have that stress, regardless of their political affiliation. I wish them all the best.
unions today are not the same thing as unions in the past during the industrial revolution.
they care more about their dues and continued existence than the actual workers they serve. in more cases than not, when they do strike or do anything it hurts the workers more than the owners these days.
unions used to be a good thing for workers when they served as a balance for the value of labor, prevented things like child labor, abuses of workers, and ensured a fair wage in the absence of regulation.
without protections, workers NEED to band together to protect themselves and the value of their labor. but a lot of them today just serve to protect people and political interests that deserve no protection.
the worst teachers i ever had were heads of the departments with tenure in college, or teachers in high school who acquired tenure through a union. They literally did not have to give one shit about doing their job well or properly anymore because they were guaranteed a free pass to not get fired.
one teacher even got caught fucking another teachers kid right when they turned 18 and got in no trouble even though she was in tears -- although later he was arrested for true pedophilia when they found sex text messages between him and a student who was like 12.
without unions they couldve just fired his ass easily before it came to that and ruined his life, instead his marriage was allowed to continue being a sham for years and he probably was a predator on many other younger people because i doubt that 12 year old was the first time, he just got brazen. Ironically he was a history teacher and we had arguments over the constitution and our rights, to which i defeated him so soundly he screamed bloody murder in the halls at me for no reason just for shaming him and his supposed CIA brother and standing up for the bill of rights and the constitution. He literally tried to scare kids and tell them we have no right to rebel, bearing arms is stupid, and if we did ever try the CIA would vaporize us with secret laser weapons and shit.
when working seasonally for union companies, union workers treat non-union workers like shit even though your just lending them a hand over christmas.
"all unions are evil" is really a misnomer though, because most of the jobs which actually need some level of protection (mainly shitty low level retail or fast food type jobs) just for things like sick leave or insurance, or the ability to gain full-time work, are already disabled from even having them.
so we're in a position where the unions that exist serve the same evil interests we all hate here, and the ones that would in fact do any good are not allowed to exist and even discussing the possibility of one gets you fired.
seems real sketch to me. id say the jobs that already pay decently and provide, and are bound by existing legal protections for workers, dont actually need unions at all, and their unions work hand-in-hand with management anyway, while jobs that dont have such things have no unions.
Nobody outside the unions gives a shit. It's the massive amounts of money they give to candidates, and the massive amounts of 'volunteers' they can provide a political campaign.
Around Easter last year the UFCW union went on strike with something like 30k grocery employees in CT, MA and RI. They used the same scare tactics and everything. They got really pissed off when the company published on their website their contract proposal which showed the BS the Union was pushing.
Turns out those "outrageous" insurance increases were like $10 more/week or something like that. After that the public started to not care as much about how "horrible" the company was. Naturally once they settled they fed the "without us, you would have been in the poor house" BS to the "brothers and sisters" and claimed the things the company posted were wrong but never provided supporting documentation. Naturally, the "unions are our saviors" types ate it hook, line and sinker."
Unfortunately their pickets have an effect. Self-interest is assumed, but this takes it to an entirely new level. The FBI letting them completely off the hook?
That sounds like SEIU.
Yep. Here is something I've been wondering and I'd like your take on it.
Unions like SEIU and the rest always have their petitions, protest and strikes. They always use the language of social arsonists, trying to antagonize as much as possible with emotion driven rhetoric. SHAME ON [INSERT COMPANY HERE], HURTS FAMILIES, PUTS PROFITS OVER PEOPLE! ON AND ON AND ON!
The question is, how much of an effect do these have? Does their effect diminish over time? Is anyone even paying attention to them anymore?
I would imagine, like most things in life, such tactics have a shelf life of effectiveness. And over time, they are less and less useful to their cause.
I sure hope so.
I used to work for an SEIU local. Their rhetoric was so ridiculous- every staff meeting we had to listen to why X legislation or Y court decision would be "the end of the union." And how we had to get out and engage with the members to get them to come protest so they could get headlines and put pressure on the local politicians to give them what they wanted. Meanwhile the work that actually needed to get done was put on the backburner (actual, legitimate grievances to be resolved). You either drank the purple Kool-aid and rose through the ranks, or realized what a sham the whole thing was and quit out of disgust. I was in the latter camp.
SEIU only exists to push hard Left ideals and to keep feeding the beast that is itself.
They are a Socialist organization.
For the last couple years I’ve had experience with a union. Never thought I would join one until I got this job. Didn’t have to join, but I looked into and thought it might be beneficial. I know about their political contributions that I disagree with (that my dues help pay) and I can’t stand the whole “we stand in solidarity, brothers and sisters!” thing, but maybe I’d be able to run for an office and start to change things from inside. I know, I’d have a better shot at seeing Hunter Biden’s financials but nativity is a hell of a drug.
So now almost 2 years later I’m questioning my membership because I see the union as hindering to actually getting the job done we’re supposed to. Thanks to the union all of us are now working 12 hour days, some weeks 5 days some weeks 6 days, until this Wuhan Flu bullshit is done. Not because there’s that much extra workload (there is extra, but not mandatory, indefinite 12 hour shifts for everyone worth) but because of the rules the union has in place with the number of employees we have. We had to bring in some temps to help and that means that to justify them being there we all work 12s or the union files grievances. Management doesn’t want that. But yet some of us will be making more than $60 an hour on OT. And the union will still file grievances because some employees will be working too many hours. It’s a total shit show.
But there is a flip side and the union does provide a lot for the members. But I think I’m the end it’s the union that will end up destroying itself, just like the democrat party is doing now.
And I feel I should say I consider myself fortunate to still be working (even though I’m being overworked) because when the bills come due I won’t have that stress of being unemployed.
I’m sorry for everyone that will have that stress, regardless of their political affiliation. I wish them all the best.
Your union is going to destroy the company.
Lol union responds to a revenue crisis by doubling the firm's expenses on salary with no change in output. Lets see how that plays out
unions today are not the same thing as unions in the past during the industrial revolution.
they care more about their dues and continued existence than the actual workers they serve. in more cases than not, when they do strike or do anything it hurts the workers more than the owners these days.
unions used to be a good thing for workers when they served as a balance for the value of labor, prevented things like child labor, abuses of workers, and ensured a fair wage in the absence of regulation.
without protections, workers NEED to band together to protect themselves and the value of their labor. but a lot of them today just serve to protect people and political interests that deserve no protection.
the worst teachers i ever had were heads of the departments with tenure in college, or teachers in high school who acquired tenure through a union. They literally did not have to give one shit about doing their job well or properly anymore because they were guaranteed a free pass to not get fired.
one teacher even got caught fucking another teachers kid right when they turned 18 and got in no trouble even though she was in tears -- although later he was arrested for true pedophilia when they found sex text messages between him and a student who was like 12.
without unions they couldve just fired his ass easily before it came to that and ruined his life, instead his marriage was allowed to continue being a sham for years and he probably was a predator on many other younger people because i doubt that 12 year old was the first time, he just got brazen. Ironically he was a history teacher and we had arguments over the constitution and our rights, to which i defeated him so soundly he screamed bloody murder in the halls at me for no reason just for shaming him and his supposed CIA brother and standing up for the bill of rights and the constitution. He literally tried to scare kids and tell them we have no right to rebel, bearing arms is stupid, and if we did ever try the CIA would vaporize us with secret laser weapons and shit.
when working seasonally for union companies, union workers treat non-union workers like shit even though your just lending them a hand over christmas.
"all unions are evil" is really a misnomer though, because most of the jobs which actually need some level of protection (mainly shitty low level retail or fast food type jobs) just for things like sick leave or insurance, or the ability to gain full-time work, are already disabled from even having them.
so we're in a position where the unions that exist serve the same evil interests we all hate here, and the ones that would in fact do any good are not allowed to exist and even discussing the possibility of one gets you fired.
seems real sketch to me. id say the jobs that already pay decently and provide, and are bound by existing legal protections for workers, dont actually need unions at all, and their unions work hand-in-hand with management anyway, while jobs that dont have such things have no unions.
Nobody outside the unions gives a shit. It's the massive amounts of money they give to candidates, and the massive amounts of 'volunteers' they can provide a political campaign.
Around Easter last year the UFCW union went on strike with something like 30k grocery employees in CT, MA and RI. They used the same scare tactics and everything. They got really pissed off when the company published on their website their contract proposal which showed the BS the Union was pushing.
Turns out those "outrageous" insurance increases were like $10 more/week or something like that. After that the public started to not care as much about how "horrible" the company was. Naturally once they settled they fed the "without us, you would have been in the poor house" BS to the "brothers and sisters" and claimed the things the company posted were wrong but never provided supporting documentation. Naturally, the "unions are our saviors" types ate it hook, line and sinker."
Unfortunately their pickets have an effect. Self-interest is assumed, but this takes it to an entirely new level. The FBI letting them completely off the hook?