Not in November. It was first discovered in recognized by doctors as a new disease in December. Most likely it was released from the biolab around October in China but it took a few months to spread around with multiple mystery pneumonia cases all tracing back to a patient zero on the 17th of November (that's when he died so take the 2-4 week incubation time and you get mid-October)
Though keep in mind this is random civilian who died from this. China is obviously never going to show the corpse of the lab worker who died first from this shit. They burned that fucker immediately.
California likely had it's first case in early January imported from Wuhan. The spread just doesn't make sense based on a pre-January exposure. As we've seen in NYC this shit spread from an Iranian woman who entered the country I think January 10-15th, because NYC defied Iran travel bans.
Given how quickly it spread in that city California would be a triple disaster zone if it had been there since November.
95% of cases are mild. 3% of cases require hospitalization and 2% require ventilation. I know my stance isn't popular on here but I'm gonna have to ask your lot to put aside the healthy "fuck government" attitude and skepticism of the experts for a bit and just look at the numbers. 20'000 dead with a total confirmed infection rate of less than <1%, even with the fudging of numbers and media hysteria, is significant.
We'll probably learn later on that the disease in fact does not have a 10% Italy mortality rate. Nor a 3.4% US mortality rate, but closer to 1% mortality rate with all cases taken into account. 1% mortality WITH hospital care. Imagine if the hospitals were full? That's how you get 10% Italy situations. That's how Spain went full communists literally nationalizing hospitals and basically implementing UBI.
If all that doesn't convince you look at the spending. China is gearing up for a 7 trillion (30% of their GDP) stimulus package. Shit is serious and his them WAY harder than they want to admit.
But isn't there the possibility that many cases go unreported because they are mild? Hopefully by the end of this, the death rate goes down to flu levels, especially with hydroxychlorquine treatments. The thought of having to get a mandatory vaccine for this spooks me a bit.
Yes there is that possibility. The asshole contradicts himself and acts like he's doing "our lot" a favor and claims he has laser focus. He's just speculating from a stance of superiority.
Nice bit of seculation there based on no evidence special delievered for "our lot". It's interesting that on one hand you believe this virus spreads so quickly and yet despite the massive amounts of world travel it could not have been here a month later here. WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild. I wouldn't have too much problem with what you have to say if you werent so condescending ("you lot") and weren't so keen to defend Fauci who clearly has an agenda and who has in fact been part of the problem.
WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild.
The reason why is because you need a vector. Someone with the virus needs to travel from the region. Spread it. Incubate it and only then does it show up. It therefore needs to be widespread enough to affect the expat population of Wuhan for it to be transported to the US. It then also needs to be spread among the local population with a lag time till the first cases are noticed.
There was no wave of pneumonia cases in November. There were little dots on the map in China. In December China was still trying to cover it all up by isolating known cases. In January they went into full lockdown.
In short they required 3 months for the spread to reach critical mass.
November. December. January.
Now apply that same pattern to the US.
January. February. March.
Look at that it matches up!
But is we do November. December. January, hey that doesn't line up. December. January. February.... again doesn't line up with the rise in cases and hospitalizations that we see.
Let's walk over it again. China:
Patient zero in November. Doctors notice cases in December. Lockdown January.
Makes sense with an incubation time of between 2-4 weeks.
First cases in the US reported on January 21st imported from Wuhan and Iran. Doctors notice number of cases rising in February. Lockdown in March.
Not many. Like I always say I get where they are coming from. I too have a high skepticism level but I always keep laser focused on the real enemy.
THE FAKE NEWS!
Fauci is no Trump supporter. But Fauci is not a detractor either. He's a task force member the President has kept on since the start of it all. The media badly wants him to be a detractor. Don't let them shape your opinion.
What? This virus has a three month latency period that suddenly flips a switch and everyone and their brother get sick at the same time?
No, if it were here in November, then we'd of been going through this in the same time as China. Instead, we were two months behind. Which means that the virus was delayed in getting to America. Hence Trump's banning of china travel.
The virus had to stop over in Europe before finally hitching a ride here.
Good Fauci gets an upvote. Even a Clinton holdover can get things right once in a while.
Not so fast, on this same interview, before Fauci said this, he also said:
"We make a recommendation. often the recommendation is taken. sometimes it's not. but it is what it is: we are where we are right now."
The above is a great sound bite for the fake news to quote verbatim and claim that, according to Dr. Fauci, we only "are where we are right now" because Trump did NOT take the experts recommendations.
There is more too. That one was at CNN, but Fauci also did more damage talking to Al Sharpton on MSNBC.
He claims that in mid January, he was advising the administration that COVID-19 could be a "major problem" for the U.S., despite the fact that he wasn't even a fan of blocking travel from China on Jan 31st, when Trump did it regardless of not having much support for the decision even from his own camp.
This is the beginning of the video, uploaded by the Trump War Room channel, because Fauci says that the U.S. got “misinformation” from China on coronavirus, but they cut the video when Sharpton asks WHEN it was clear that the situation was worse than China was saying: https://youtu.be/timKpZM9G5o
This is the continuation of the video, which was the only part that MSNBC uploaded to its channel, since it's what sounds damaging to Trump because Fauci is not being honest and is saying that, in mid January, he warned Trump and the administration that the virus was a "major problem," which contradicts everything he publicly said at the time and later, including, for example, saying in late January, that the virus was of very low risk for the American people, and telling "healthy" people, on Mar 9th, that they could go on cruises: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgLLEfO8ZO8
Here is what Fauci was saying on Jan 26 (certainly after "mid January"):
"Government health agency official: Coronavirus 'isn't something the American public need to worry about" http://archive.vn/4nSpr
Here is a report of Fauci encouraging "healthy" people to go on cruises on March 9th, which was a contradiction to the State Department’s advice a day earlier, but Trump was still following Fauci's recommendations. It was 4 days later that Trump negotiated with major US cruise lines to voluntarily suspend outbound cruises immediately:
"Contradictions and questionable advice: How officials handled South Florida’s coronavirus crisis" http://archive.vn/mK0mw#selection-2617.0-2672.1
But he also said on the Daily NYT podcast on 2nd of April
“I think he [Trump] always understood the seriousness of it. Right now as the numbers are becoming crystal clear, he himself is articulating an awareness of that seriousness”
Fauci ain't the one to aim your arrows at. Aim them at the media unless the President relieves Fauci of his duties. The media is DESPERATE to turn Fauci into one of their attack pawns. They would love nothing more than to have him on their side.
Fauci couldn't just lie about Trump every time he opened his mouth (he might have been fired a long time ago if he did), he had to come up with some praise too, even if subtle praise, but Fauci did/does LIE. Whether it is to try and cover his ass or to help the Dems, I don't know, but the fact is that he lies.
He did it on MSNBC too, when being interviewed by Al Sharpton.
He said that, in mid January, it was clear that the coronavirus would be a "major problem," and he warned the administration (Trump) of that. This is a lie that contradicts his public statements at least up to March 9th, when he was still encouraging "healthy" people to go on cruises.
Good Fauci gets an upvote. Even a Clinton holdover can get things right once in a while.
LMAO Fraudci is a fucking retard. The virus was in the US in Nov/Dec 2019
Not in November. It was first discovered in recognized by doctors as a new disease in December. Most likely it was released from the biolab around October in China but it took a few months to spread around with multiple mystery pneumonia cases all tracing back to a patient zero on the 17th of November (that's when he died so take the 2-4 week incubation time and you get mid-October)
Though keep in mind this is random civilian who died from this. China is obviously never going to show the corpse of the lab worker who died first from this shit. They burned that fucker immediately.
California likely had it's first case in early January imported from Wuhan. The spread just doesn't make sense based on a pre-January exposure. As we've seen in NYC this shit spread from an Iranian woman who entered the country I think January 10-15th, because NYC defied Iran travel bans.
Given how quickly it spread in that city California would be a triple disaster zone if it had been there since November.
95% of cases are mild. 3% of cases require hospitalization and 2% require ventilation. I know my stance isn't popular on here but I'm gonna have to ask your lot to put aside the healthy "fuck government" attitude and skepticism of the experts for a bit and just look at the numbers. 20'000 dead with a total confirmed infection rate of less than <1%, even with the fudging of numbers and media hysteria, is significant.
We'll probably learn later on that the disease in fact does not have a 10% Italy mortality rate. Nor a 3.4% US mortality rate, but closer to 1% mortality rate with all cases taken into account. 1% mortality WITH hospital care. Imagine if the hospitals were full? That's how you get 10% Italy situations. That's how Spain went full communists literally nationalizing hospitals and basically implementing UBI.
If all that doesn't convince you look at the spending. China is gearing up for a 7 trillion (30% of their GDP) stimulus package. Shit is serious and his them WAY harder than they want to admit.
But isn't there the possibility that many cases go unreported because they are mild? Hopefully by the end of this, the death rate goes down to flu levels, especially with hydroxychlorquine treatments. The thought of having to get a mandatory vaccine for this spooks me a bit.
Yes there is that possibility. The asshole contradicts himself and acts like he's doing "our lot" a favor and claims he has laser focus. He's just speculating from a stance of superiority.
Nice bit of seculation there based on no evidence special delievered for "our lot". It's interesting that on one hand you believe this virus spreads so quickly and yet despite the massive amounts of world travel it could not have been here a month later here. WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild. I wouldn't have too much problem with what you have to say if you werent so condescending ("you lot") and weren't so keen to defend Fauci who clearly has an agenda and who has in fact been part of the problem.
The reason why is because you need a vector. Someone with the virus needs to travel from the region. Spread it. Incubate it and only then does it show up. It therefore needs to be widespread enough to affect the expat population of Wuhan for it to be transported to the US. It then also needs to be spread among the local population with a lag time till the first cases are noticed.
There was no wave of pneumonia cases in November. There were little dots on the map in China. In December China was still trying to cover it all up by isolating known cases. In January they went into full lockdown.
In short they required 3 months for the spread to reach critical mass.
November. December. January.
Now apply that same pattern to the US.
January. February. March.
Look at that it matches up!
But is we do November. December. January, hey that doesn't line up. December. January. February.... again doesn't line up with the rise in cases and hospitalizations that we see.
Let's walk over it again. China:
Patient zero in November. Doctors notice cases in December. Lockdown January.
Makes sense with an incubation time of between 2-4 weeks.
First cases in the US reported on January 21st imported from Wuhan and Iran. Doctors notice number of cases rising in February. Lockdown in March.
I'd love to know how many downvotes you got from the conspiratards for this refreshing bit of common sense.
Not many. Like I always say I get where they are coming from. I too have a high skepticism level but I always keep laser focused on the real enemy.
THE FAKE NEWS!
Fauci is no Trump supporter. But Fauci is not a detractor either. He's a task force member the President has kept on since the start of it all. The media badly wants him to be a detractor. Don't let them shape your opinion.
Literally doesn't make any sense.
What? This virus has a three month latency period that suddenly flips a switch and everyone and their brother get sick at the same time?
No, if it were here in November, then we'd of been going through this in the same time as China. Instead, we were two months behind. Which means that the virus was delayed in getting to America. Hence Trump's banning of china travel.
The virus had to stop over in Europe before finally hitching a ride here.
Not so fast, on this same interview, before Fauci said this, he also said:
"We make a recommendation. often the recommendation is taken. sometimes it's not. but it is what it is: we are where we are right now."
The above is a great sound bite for the fake news to quote verbatim and claim that, according to Dr. Fauci, we only "are where we are right now" because Trump did NOT take the experts recommendations.
There is more too. That one was at CNN, but Fauci also did more damage talking to Al Sharpton on MSNBC.
He claims that in mid January, he was advising the administration that COVID-19 could be a "major problem" for the U.S., despite the fact that he wasn't even a fan of blocking travel from China on Jan 31st, when Trump did it regardless of not having much support for the decision even from his own camp.
This is the beginning of the video, uploaded by the Trump War Room channel, because Fauci says that the U.S. got “misinformation” from China on coronavirus, but they cut the video when Sharpton asks WHEN it was clear that the situation was worse than China was saying:
https://youtu.be/timKpZM9G5o
This is the continuation of the video, which was the only part that MSNBC uploaded to its channel, since it's what sounds damaging to Trump because Fauci is not being honest and is saying that, in mid January, he warned Trump and the administration that the virus was a "major problem," which contradicts everything he publicly said at the time and later, including, for example, saying in late January, that the virus was of very low risk for the American people, and telling "healthy" people, on Mar 9th, that they could go on cruises:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgLLEfO8ZO8
Here is what Fauci was saying on Jan 26 (certainly after "mid January"):
"Government health agency official: Coronavirus 'isn't something the American public need to worry about"
http://archive.vn/4nSpr
Here is a report of Fauci encouraging "healthy" people to go on cruises on March 9th, which was a contradiction to the State Department’s advice a day earlier, but Trump was still following Fauci's recommendations. It was 4 days later that Trump negotiated with major US cruise lines to voluntarily suspend outbound cruises immediately: "Contradictions and questionable advice: How officials handled South Florida’s coronavirus crisis"
http://archive.vn/mK0mw#selection-2617.0-2672.1
You forgot this one from February 29th.
But he also said on the Daily NYT podcast on 2nd of April
“I think he [Trump] always understood the seriousness of it. Right now as the numbers are becoming crystal clear, he himself is articulating an awareness of that seriousness”
Fauci ain't the one to aim your arrows at. Aim them at the media unless the President relieves Fauci of his duties. The media is DESPERATE to turn Fauci into one of their attack pawns. They would love nothing more than to have him on their side.
Fauci couldn't just lie about Trump every time he opened his mouth (he might have been fired a long time ago if he did), he had to come up with some praise too, even if subtle praise, but Fauci did/does LIE. Whether it is to try and cover his ass or to help the Dems, I don't know, but the fact is that he lies.
He did it on MSNBC too, when being interviewed by Al Sharpton.
He said that, in mid January, it was clear that the coronavirus would be a "major problem," and he warned the administration (Trump) of that. This is a lie that contradicts his public statements at least up to March 9th, when he was still encouraging "healthy" people to go on cruises.
Here is a comment I wrote that is mostly about what he said to Sharpton on MSNBC:
https://thedonald.win/p/FMcErhCa/x/c/11PVyOUV9t