Not in November. It was first discovered in recognized by doctors as a new disease in December. Most likely it was released from the biolab around October in China but it took a few months to spread around with multiple mystery pneumonia cases all tracing back to a patient zero on the 17th of November (that's when he died so take the 2-4 week incubation time and you get mid-October)
Though keep in mind this is random civilian who died from this. China is obviously never going to show the corpse of the lab worker who died first from this shit. They burned that fucker immediately.
California likely had it's first case in early January imported from Wuhan. The spread just doesn't make sense based on a pre-January exposure. As we've seen in NYC this shit spread from an Iranian woman who entered the country I think January 10-15th, because NYC defied Iran travel bans.
Given how quickly it spread in that city California would be a triple disaster zone if it had been there since November.
95% of cases are mild. 3% of cases require hospitalization and 2% require ventilation. I know my stance isn't popular on here but I'm gonna have to ask your lot to put aside the healthy "fuck government" attitude and skepticism of the experts for a bit and just look at the numbers. 20'000 dead with a total confirmed infection rate of less than <1%, even with the fudging of numbers and media hysteria, is significant.
We'll probably learn later on that the disease in fact does not have a 10% Italy mortality rate. Nor a 3.4% US mortality rate, but closer to 1% mortality rate with all cases taken into account. 1% mortality WITH hospital care. Imagine if the hospitals were full? That's how you get 10% Italy situations. That's how Spain went full communists literally nationalizing hospitals and basically implementing UBI.
If all that doesn't convince you look at the spending. China is gearing up for a 7 trillion (30% of their GDP) stimulus package. Shit is serious and his them WAY harder than they want to admit.
But isn't there the possibility that many cases go unreported because they are mild? Hopefully by the end of this, the death rate goes down to flu levels, especially with hydroxychlorquine treatments. The thought of having to get a mandatory vaccine for this spooks me a bit.
Yes there is that possibility. The asshole contradicts himself and acts like he's doing "our lot" a favor and claims he has laser focus. He's just speculating from a stance of superiority.
Nice bit of seculation there based on no evidence special delievered for "our lot". It's interesting that on one hand you believe this virus spreads so quickly and yet despite the massive amounts of world travel it could not have been here a month later here. WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild. I wouldn't have too much problem with what you have to say if you werent so condescending ("you lot") and weren't so keen to defend Fauci who clearly has an agenda and who has in fact been part of the problem.
WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild.
The reason why is because you need a vector. Someone with the virus needs to travel from the region. Spread it. Incubate it and only then does it show up. It therefore needs to be widespread enough to affect the expat population of Wuhan for it to be transported to the US. It then also needs to be spread among the local population with a lag time till the first cases are noticed.
There was no wave of pneumonia cases in November. There were little dots on the map in China. In December China was still trying to cover it all up by isolating known cases. In January they went into full lockdown.
In short they required 3 months for the spread to reach critical mass.
November. December. January.
Now apply that same pattern to the US.
January. February. March.
Look at that it matches up!
But is we do November. December. January, hey that doesn't line up. December. January. February.... again doesn't line up with the rise in cases and hospitalizations that we see.
Let's walk over it again. China:
Patient zero in November. Doctors notice cases in December. Lockdown January.
Makes sense with an incubation time of between 2-4 weeks.
First cases in the US reported on January 21st imported from Wuhan and Iran. Doctors notice number of cases rising in February. Lockdown in March.
How do you know any of this unless you believe what the Chinese have told you? For some reason you just believe 3 months is the number because it supports your point. You talk about critical mass in 3 months. How do you know. Critical mass so far seems to be April which would make it 4 months so there goes your 3 month lineup theory. You don't actually know what China did or when
"Patient zero" was blocks from my house. You think he was really the first? I was sick with a mild flu before he was known to anybody back in December. Doesn't mean it was WuFlu but it has as much evidence as your theory, that is to say none. Anything based on what you heard from China must be discounted.
You can literally see the 3 month spread right there. You can even see China lying and fudging their numbers. Obviously China is fucking lying, but China can only hide what happens in CHINA. Not outside. Outside of China we see these graphs. So retroactively China's bullshit lies are not complete lies. Somewhere in November this started spreading.
Do I believe patient zero on 17 November in China is actually patient Zero? Of course not. They are trying to hide the fact it came from the biolab. A random shrimp seller is patient zero? Fuck you China. But whether patient zero got out in October or not is irrelevant to how the cases spread.
We see a lag time of slowly increasing cases every 2-4 weeks doubling and then shooting off exponentially. An estimated R0 of 1.5-2.5. Good news is new cases are DOWN! Deaths are DOWN! End of this week multiple states can reopen. Week after that everything but NYC can reopen. NYC can stay closed till end of May.
Not many. Like I always say I get where they are coming from. I too have a high skepticism level but I always keep laser focused on the real enemy.
THE FAKE NEWS!
Fauci is no Trump supporter. But Fauci is not a detractor either. He's a task force member the President has kept on since the start of it all. The media badly wants him to be a detractor. Don't let them shape your opinion.
Not in November. It was first discovered in recognized by doctors as a new disease in December. Most likely it was released from the biolab around October in China but it took a few months to spread around with multiple mystery pneumonia cases all tracing back to a patient zero on the 17th of November (that's when he died so take the 2-4 week incubation time and you get mid-October)
Though keep in mind this is random civilian who died from this. China is obviously never going to show the corpse of the lab worker who died first from this shit. They burned that fucker immediately.
California likely had it's first case in early January imported from Wuhan. The spread just doesn't make sense based on a pre-January exposure. As we've seen in NYC this shit spread from an Iranian woman who entered the country I think January 10-15th, because NYC defied Iran travel bans.
Given how quickly it spread in that city California would be a triple disaster zone if it had been there since November.
95% of cases are mild. 3% of cases require hospitalization and 2% require ventilation. I know my stance isn't popular on here but I'm gonna have to ask your lot to put aside the healthy "fuck government" attitude and skepticism of the experts for a bit and just look at the numbers. 20'000 dead with a total confirmed infection rate of less than <1%, even with the fudging of numbers and media hysteria, is significant.
We'll probably learn later on that the disease in fact does not have a 10% Italy mortality rate. Nor a 3.4% US mortality rate, but closer to 1% mortality rate with all cases taken into account. 1% mortality WITH hospital care. Imagine if the hospitals were full? That's how you get 10% Italy situations. That's how Spain went full communists literally nationalizing hospitals and basically implementing UBI.
If all that doesn't convince you look at the spending. China is gearing up for a 7 trillion (30% of their GDP) stimulus package. Shit is serious and his them WAY harder than they want to admit.
But isn't there the possibility that many cases go unreported because they are mild? Hopefully by the end of this, the death rate goes down to flu levels, especially with hydroxychlorquine treatments. The thought of having to get a mandatory vaccine for this spooks me a bit.
Yes there is that possibility. The asshole contradicts himself and acts like he's doing "our lot" a favor and claims he has laser focus. He's just speculating from a stance of superiority.
He also neglects to mention death tolls of previous flu seasons.
And uses a totally bogus incubation time. WuFLu is 5 days or thereabout, not 2 to 4 weeks. He's just throwing out numbers that support his pet theory.
Nice bit of seculation there based on no evidence special delievered for "our lot". It's interesting that on one hand you believe this virus spreads so quickly and yet despite the massive amounts of world travel it could not have been here a month later here. WHich is of course ridiculous and also goes against your theory of rate of spread and believe that 95% of cases are mild. I wouldn't have too much problem with what you have to say if you werent so condescending ("you lot") and weren't so keen to defend Fauci who clearly has an agenda and who has in fact been part of the problem.
The reason why is because you need a vector. Someone with the virus needs to travel from the region. Spread it. Incubate it and only then does it show up. It therefore needs to be widespread enough to affect the expat population of Wuhan for it to be transported to the US. It then also needs to be spread among the local population with a lag time till the first cases are noticed.
There was no wave of pneumonia cases in November. There were little dots on the map in China. In December China was still trying to cover it all up by isolating known cases. In January they went into full lockdown.
In short they required 3 months for the spread to reach critical mass.
November. December. January.
Now apply that same pattern to the US.
January. February. March.
Look at that it matches up!
But is we do November. December. January, hey that doesn't line up. December. January. February.... again doesn't line up with the rise in cases and hospitalizations that we see.
Let's walk over it again. China:
Patient zero in November. Doctors notice cases in December. Lockdown January.
Makes sense with an incubation time of between 2-4 weeks.
First cases in the US reported on January 21st imported from Wuhan and Iran. Doctors notice number of cases rising in February. Lockdown in March.
How do you know any of this unless you believe what the Chinese have told you? For some reason you just believe 3 months is the number because it supports your point. You talk about critical mass in 3 months. How do you know. Critical mass so far seems to be April which would make it 4 months so there goes your 3 month lineup theory. You don't actually know what China did or when
"Patient zero" was blocks from my house. You think he was really the first? I was sick with a mild flu before he was known to anybody back in December. Doesn't mean it was WuFlu but it has as much evidence as your theory, that is to say none. Anything based on what you heard from China must be discounted.
Here is a graph tool.
You can literally see the 3 month spread right there. You can even see China lying and fudging their numbers. Obviously China is fucking lying, but China can only hide what happens in CHINA. Not outside. Outside of China we see these graphs. So retroactively China's bullshit lies are not complete lies. Somewhere in November this started spreading.
Do I believe patient zero on 17 November in China is actually patient Zero? Of course not. They are trying to hide the fact it came from the biolab. A random shrimp seller is patient zero? Fuck you China. But whether patient zero got out in October or not is irrelevant to how the cases spread.
We see a lag time of slowly increasing cases every 2-4 weeks doubling and then shooting off exponentially. An estimated R0 of 1.5-2.5. Good news is new cases are DOWN! Deaths are DOWN! End of this week multiple states can reopen. Week after that everything but NYC can reopen. NYC can stay closed till end of May.
I'd love to know how many downvotes you got from the conspiratards for this refreshing bit of common sense.
Not many. Like I always say I get where they are coming from. I too have a high skepticism level but I always keep laser focused on the real enemy.
THE FAKE NEWS!
Fauci is no Trump supporter. But Fauci is not a detractor either. He's a task force member the President has kept on since the start of it all. The media badly wants him to be a detractor. Don't let them shape your opinion.
Go cry over a Hillary speech you fucking cuck.
Haha absolute faggot. Go second guess the president somewhere else you Shareblue deepcover fucktard.
Insults are fun.