I know this probably isn’t a popular opinion but I don’t agree with the assessment that this is like or less severe than the flu.
They weren’t digging mass graves in New York for the Flu. What’s the go there? What about China’s furnaces working overtime according to satellite images, that doesn’t usually happen.
I don’t think it’s as bad as reported, but to say it’s like the flu isn’t a smart take when the world is on lockdown. Flu mortality rates would be much much lower if we had lockdowns in previous years.
If Wuhan Virus has the same mortality rate under lockdown as the flu does when not under lockdown, that makes Wuhan virus magnitudes worse.
We can’t reject one false narrative and replace it with an equally false narrative.
Edit: -11 downvotes because my mass grave example was incorrect. No one sufficiently rebutted the premise of what I said. I don’t get why you guys left reddit only to behave just as zealously as r/politics. My friend tried to sell this place as a haven for discussion but it seems people are dying to bring you down for a minor mistake even when they can’t be bothered putting in the effort to make any sort of sound counter argument. Well my time on this site just started and I think I’m done here. Guess I’ll have to MAGA alone, good luck with the website guys.
The mass grave in NY was fake news. They’ve been burying prisoners and unclaimed bodies there for decades.
China: agreed, it seems that way more people died than they report. There’s stories of millions of cell phone numbers missing, plus as you said, the furnaces.
Which begs the question: if it is not so deadly here, then what did all those Chinese people die from? And why ‘disappear’ all who tried to get the word out?
At a guess, maybe China committed the biggest case of simultaneous medical and civil malpractice in history. Seems likely it was CCP panic at all levels of government and it led to barbaric actions? Which begs the question, why so panicked?
This virus hits certain groups much harder than others. In europe this can be seen clearly as immigrant populations are severely affected ( general health status is worse, TBC and MERS are common). China has a ton of elderly, everyone smokes, the air is shitty and so on...
The simplest reason for missing cell phone numbers is that they shut down their cell phone "farms" during the quarantine. Or they disconnected people's numbers to quell panic or stop real information about covid getting out.
According to this data, towards the end of the data set at 4th of April, there were approximately 4 thousand deaths in a time frame of 2 weeks, it’s not fair to count the 4K deaths as the annual total because coronavirus had not started spreading fully until later which is why all the deaths are concentrated in a fortnight span.
Now, those deaths are despite lockdown.
If we assume 4K deaths every fortnight, that’s over 100k per year despite lockdown vs 61k for the year for the flu with no lockdown.
If coronavirus’s death rate is potentially double the flu but can achieve this through a lock down, that’s a substantial problem and it is magnitudes worse than the flu.
I’m curious to hear how you spin these numbers. Are you going to just say 61k vs 6k for the year? That’s a very unintelligent way to look at those numbers, there is no point including earlier months with zero deaths when the virus had not properly come to the US yet.
I used your own data and I’m more convinced now that I’m correct.
It might be that it's as dangerous as the seasonal flu in terms of the % of people who get it dying, but it's just that much more infectious. More people infected, more people die.
Edit: I should also add that I don't believe in a conspiracy to release this virus to get Trump, but they're definitely not going to let a crisis go to waste.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu. Your answer seems to validate what I’m saying, but I’m massively downvoted because I cited a mass grave example that turns out to be incorrect.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu.
It does, but I think the general feeling here is that a lot of the anti-Trump crowd are hoping for (and trying to push the narrative) that it's more dangerous than it is. Also, the WHO are cunts so this conspiracy feeds into both of those narratives.
While I agree that the WHO are cunts and there are lots of people trying to blame Trump for this, I really think this is just a case of us learning more about the China flu.
And to be honest, a higher infection rate with lower mortality rate is much better the other way around because it puts a much lower ceiling on the total number of deaths and leads to herd immunity earlier so everyone can get back to work sooner.
Having "centrist" in your handle probably doesn't give you much leeway to repeat fake news, but it's only imaginary internet points. Mistakes happen, but you'll always be welcome here if you're on the Trump train.
you can argue your point all you want. and you bring up valid points. but the second you started acting like a giant pussy and said i'm going home boohoo someone downvoted me, i stopped giving a fuck about what you had to say.
upvotes and downvotes mean jack shit. people see what you're saying. trolls and shills try to manipulate votes all the time.
for you to rage quit and run away because less than 20 downvoted your comment is the equivalent of a kid throwing down his controller when he loses on Xbox live.
get a grip. say what you want. take your downvotes with pride. as long as you don't break the rules here, your argument still stands.
or go MAGA alone like a faggot. i don't really care.
I know this probably isn’t a popular opinion but I don’t agree with the assessment that this is like or less severe than the flu.
They weren’t digging mass graves in New York for the Flu. What’s the go there? What about China’s furnaces working overtime according to satellite images, that doesn’t usually happen.
I don’t think it’s as bad as reported, but to say it’s like the flu isn’t a smart take when the world is on lockdown. Flu mortality rates would be much much lower if we had lockdowns in previous years.
If Wuhan Virus has the same mortality rate under lockdown as the flu does when not under lockdown, that makes Wuhan virus magnitudes worse.
We can’t reject one false narrative and replace it with an equally false narrative.
Edit: -11 downvotes because my mass grave example was incorrect. No one sufficiently rebutted the premise of what I said. I don’t get why you guys left reddit only to behave just as zealously as r/politics. My friend tried to sell this place as a haven for discussion but it seems people are dying to bring you down for a minor mistake even when they can’t be bothered putting in the effort to make any sort of sound counter argument. Well my time on this site just started and I think I’m done here. Guess I’ll have to MAGA alone, good luck with the website guys.
The mass grave in NY was fake news. They’ve been burying prisoners and unclaimed bodies there for decades.
China: agreed, it seems that way more people died than they report. There’s stories of millions of cell phone numbers missing, plus as you said, the furnaces.
Which begs the question: if it is not so deadly here, then what did all those Chinese people die from? And why ‘disappear’ all who tried to get the word out?
At a guess, maybe China committed the biggest case of simultaneous medical and civil malpractice in history. Seems likely it was CCP panic at all levels of government and it led to barbaric actions? Which begs the question, why so panicked?
This virus hits certain groups much harder than others. In europe this can be seen clearly as immigrant populations are severely affected ( general health status is worse, TBC and MERS are common). China has a ton of elderly, everyone smokes, the air is shitty and so on...
Maybe China took this opportunity to "clense" its society of "troublemkwrs" by claiming they died of the virus.
Perhaps they knew there were a couple different strains in that lab, with some being much worse than others and they didn't want to take chances.
The simplest reason for missing cell phone numbers is that they shut down their cell phone "farms" during the quarantine. Or they disconnected people's numbers to quell panic or stop real information about covid getting out.
Not saying their numbers aren't fake.
Okay, that doesn’t address the rest of what I said does it though??
According to this data, towards the end of the data set at 4th of April, there were approximately 4 thousand deaths in a time frame of 2 weeks, it’s not fair to count the 4K deaths as the annual total because coronavirus had not started spreading fully until later which is why all the deaths are concentrated in a fortnight span.
Now, those deaths are despite lockdown.
If we assume 4K deaths every fortnight, that’s over 100k per year despite lockdown vs 61k for the year for the flu with no lockdown.
If coronavirus’s death rate is potentially double the flu but can achieve this through a lock down, that’s a substantial problem and it is magnitudes worse than the flu.
I’m curious to hear how you spin these numbers. Are you going to just say 61k vs 6k for the year? That’s a very unintelligent way to look at those numbers, there is no point including earlier months with zero deaths when the virus had not properly come to the US yet.
I used your own data and I’m more convinced now that I’m correct.
It might be that it's as dangerous as the seasonal flu in terms of the % of people who get it dying, but it's just that much more infectious. More people infected, more people die.
Edit: I should also add that I don't believe in a conspiracy to release this virus to get Trump, but they're definitely not going to let a crisis go to waste.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu. Your answer seems to validate what I’m saying, but I’m massively downvoted because I cited a mass grave example that turns out to be incorrect.
It does, but I think the general feeling here is that a lot of the anti-Trump crowd are hoping for (and trying to push the narrative) that it's more dangerous than it is. Also, the WHO are cunts so this conspiracy feeds into both of those narratives.
While I agree that the WHO are cunts and there are lots of people trying to blame Trump for this, I really think this is just a case of us learning more about the China flu.
And to be honest, a higher infection rate with lower mortality rate is much better the other way around because it puts a much lower ceiling on the total number of deaths and leads to herd immunity earlier so everyone can get back to work sooner.
Having "centrist" in your handle probably doesn't give you much leeway to repeat fake news, but it's only imaginary internet points. Mistakes happen, but you'll always be welcome here if you're on the Trump train.
Anyway, have my upvotes.
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you can argue your point all you want. and you bring up valid points. but the second you started acting like a giant pussy and said i'm going home boohoo someone downvoted me, i stopped giving a fuck about what you had to say.
upvotes and downvotes mean jack shit. people see what you're saying. trolls and shills try to manipulate votes all the time.
for you to rage quit and run away because less than 20 downvoted your comment is the equivalent of a kid throwing down his controller when he loses on Xbox live.
get a grip. say what you want. take your downvotes with pride. as long as you don't break the rules here, your argument still stands.
or go MAGA alone like a faggot. i don't really care.