Someone, a so-called philanthropist, with a foundation with big investments in vaccines and a global digital ID, was already planning publicly for today’s scenario in 2015.
They were preparing long before Trump’s election for this.
Name rhymes with Gill Bates? Have u seen his wife? Butt ugly. Id rather bang the doctor during the corona briefings from Pennsylvania “Rachel Levine” aka Richard. The fact that “Rachel” is an expert and lectures the public about what to do, but doesnt even know where to use the potty is an absolute joke.
I found it rather suspicious that Netflix released a documentary miniseries called Pandemic right before this pandemic began. Not to mention, they added movies like Contagion to their line up. Almost like they wanted people to watch, get freaked out, and be ready to panic once they announced this virus.
This election is huge because if President Trump gets re-elected by the tike his 2nd term is ending there could be a 7-2 majority in the SCOTUS. I really think that’s what it’s about because the SCOTUS is the only thing in our system that has the long-term impact that can get in the way of China’s 100 year plan. Outside of appointing new ones, the SCOTUS lives outside election cycles and that scares the shit out of the globalists.
Nice term "plannedemic". Yes, it seems to be emerging as a multi-purpose operation. They want us divided and isolated from each other so we don't even talk to each other without fear of being arrested, fined, and imprisoned, or worse. Also, this is the DS wet dream for "population reduction" by killing off the elderly "useless eaters". Then there's Billy Gates personal favorite, the vaccines with injectable tracking doodads in them! It's just evil without end, but it is back firing on them as we speak.
Right now things are kinda looking up even as lots more Americans die. 26,641 in the last day, as reported.
Don't count the globohomos as down and out just yet though. Their long term plan created no later than 1913 involves our gdp being so out of whack with our national debt that everyone knows we can never pay it back. Then they call the debt and all our stuff are belong to them. And they implement OWG (One World Government) complete with no borders, no national sovereignty, no liberties, no rights including property ownership - essentially everything this Nation ever stood for forfeited in exchange for gibs. Without a single shot ever being fired.
How close are we to that now? Also, part of their plan is one world currency that would make us all serfs. Having very few ruling elite with all the wealth. That's their real objective.
The only visible enemy right now is our Governors. I'm most pissed at them for denying sick people medicine. They're mass murderers! Even though the numbers are bogus and not every death was preventable. The way to beat this thing is giving Trump pills to people right after testing positive, so they never have to go to the hospital and they're virus-free in 6 days. Instead, Governors have been denying HCQ to people unless they're already admitted to the hospital which means their outcome is likely to be a lot worse. That's the way to drag this crisis out.
Maybe people will be willing to remove them from Office physically to stand trial as mass murderers after DJT lifts the directive about social distancing? I don't know what it will take, but waiting for things to get worse is absolutely the wrong thing to do. We'll need drastic action to make any difference at all. If all Governors were removed from Office on the same day via torches pitchforks and whatever else we have the globohomos would shit their pants.
isn't it mostly Dem Govs tho'? I haven't taken the time to research all 50 states, just the ones that are perpetrating insane rules on their people. But now today, I notice the "faux martial law" exercised by county mayors seems to be increasing. They are trying hard to prevent the Nov 2020 elections, that's for sure.
Well if the Nov election were entirely prevented we wouldn't mind that at all. We've got to stop their mail in ballot fraud at any cost. My Governor is a D ONLY because boxes of absentee ballots were brought in at the last minute and had just enough D votes to give him the win. That has happened all over the Country, and is textbook fraud.
If they steal the election we have no choice but 1776. I don't see why it's better to wait until after fraudulent results are in and not better to stop the fraud BAMN.
In terms of Governors, I'm afraid most people are focused on just what you say. In 1918 it was a Catholic Priest that protested government shutdown the most, and it was all lifted after 2 weeks. Starting April 1, we've been in completely uncharted territory. I'm still more concerned with mass murder. I like to go to Church too, and I'm all for standing up for all our Constitutional rights, but R Governors have also denied sick people medicine. The easiest way to tell is just look at how many people have recovered in your State, as well as total cases and deaths. It indicates that very few Governors have let Drs practice medicine.
Cities might still need a different approach. Most of the Country is very different. Cuomo is an idiot to claim that nothing in any part of the US is any different than NYC. (Cuomo's an idiot anyway)
Population density is a huge factor in the spread of any communicable disease.
Completely inappropriate comment. Wiki does not = "culture." I haven't watched TV in decades. And I've never watched any of the turtles.
Besides, I'm not sure you're referring to the problem of infinite regression here at all, which would make your obscure twist of an obscure phrase completely wrong.
Yea just going on Facebook for a few minutes confirms that. Sad. The crazy thing is if they treated this like a bad flu season and didn’t run 24/7 Coronavirus numbers on the screen no one would bat an eye
I get this just fine thanks, and you're missing really important details.
Without realizing it, you're proposing we just give up on anyone who gets cancer, ever. They're going to die, too bad. No research, they're just the weakest link - goodbye!
Asthma? Too bad so sad. Dead.
Old age? You're a little better than Logan's run where everyone dies at 30, but it's the same principle.
In ancient Greece maybe your philosophy would've been adopted. It's got an appeal in that juvenile, primal sort of way; but our society has developed more humanity than that. Thank God.
I know nothing about this. Can you explain how? I guess I've heard about reusing shopping bags is suspected, and that could count. So some places have gone back to single use plastic bags which is ... well I guess it defies my ability to describe at the moment, lol.
Mass transit, for sure. Compare NYC, which relies heavily on mass transit and California (minus San Francisco) where most people commute via their own personal vehicles. NYC has way more cases and deaths per capita. Mass transit is a green initiative. They want more people riding subways, light rail or buses. In a pandemic, reliance on mass transit is far more dangerous than using your own vehicle.
Another green initiative is high density housing. They don't want people spread out all over the suburbs and rural areas, but crammed in apartment complexes. Again, compare areas of high density living environments v more rural states with houses spread out.
There are the little environmental things, too. The reusable bags, as you mentioned, which are nasty and carry germs v plastic. Again, in a pandemic, which is safer? Here in MN, some areas have banned straws. Now they have back tracked on that, and are handing out straws at drive thru restaurants, whereas before we had to request a straw. Straws are more hygienic than drinking out of a glass in a restaurant. The straw is sealed, the glass is touched-I think restaurants will rethink the straw ban when they are allowed to reopen.
There are numerous policies that environmental activists encourage and support that during a pandemic prove to be a problem.
Thanks! It's good to hear your perspective. You're right, mass transit got labeled a "green initiative" after the fact, but in NYC it was standard at least as far back as the 1950's. "Nobody" owns a car there, which is part of the 'charm' of living in that dog eat dog environment. Things that aren't super close you get to via taxi or subway, mostly. If you fly somewhere far away, you rent a car there.
Population density has been factored in by how many Governors? 1? (Utah is the only one I know of) Every State has large areas of low population density, even NJ. Unbelievably stupid to treat these areas just like the cities. We have SO many large Counties that still have 0-10 people infected! April 1 they could have all opened up, with no risk of the 'second wave' spiraling out of control. We'd have data and experience from that to be responsibly opening up phase 2 right now. Cities will be harder.
Interesting that you mention glasses in restaurants! Studies on the virus (and other things like herpes) surviving commercial dishwashers or no, what it takes to properly disinfect / sterilize them ... this could all take quite some time to sort out. Theoretically silver has properties on its own that makes it not a problem, but most restaurants don't use actual "silver" ware. I use a shaker cup and bring it everywhere anyway, I'd be perfectly comfortable bringing it into a restaurant instead of using their glasses. That might be a solution.
We might increase 'single use plastics' a lot by disposable cutlery. The green initiative there should be greatly improving our plastic recycling. Lots of ways to do that!
It seems that way, all of the so-called experts will practically tell you if you think you have the coronavirus talk to your doctor to get a slip to get tested then go to the local drive-through at the hospital get tested. Then if you test positive and even have simply minor symptoms they’ll say well, your immune compromised In this virus is really scary, have you been watching the news, it’s probably the safest bet that will put you in the hospital until you recover, instead of simply sending them home and having a beer with their primary care.
I never understood why so many people were in a huff to get tested. If you have symptoms that are mild, stay home, treat symptoms, and self quarantine 14 days. If symptoms were severe, go to doctor. Why worry about the test if you have a sniffle or a slight cough. People are hypochondriacs.
I'm not a doctor. I'm a Ph.D. virologist, and I can confirm -- if you are within 22.5 yards of someone who coughs, there is a 99.5% chance that you will catch COVID. Also, it lives on every hard surface for up to a month, meaning that if you go anywhere or touch anything which has been within 22.5 yards of anyone with the virus, you will likely need hospitalization.
The occupancy rate of ERs are not overwhelmed, and what is overwhelming the ICUs is the negative pressure demand for each suspect and confirmed patient.
Negative pressure, decontamination areas, outdoor triage. all those extreme measures are not required for the flu, even though the death rate is same. For such a low death rate, those measures were an over reaction. Plus NewYork is declaring assumed covids as confirmed covids, so their death rate data is not accurate.
According to: The Curve is Already Flat: https://archive.fo/PPwJq the virus seed date was Nov, the spread had been going for 4 months prior to forced confinement. So house arrest while we are at the bottom of the curve is ridiculous. If NewYork had actually started testing 100,000 people in Dec, the peak would have registered months prior.
Ordering healthy assymptomatic Americans to remain under house arrest for a month, afraid that if they touch anything at the supermarket they might be super spreaders is even more ridiculous. Forced home confinement was based on the WHOs 3.4% death rate which turned out to be complete bullshit.
It was engineered to lie in wait in the body so the asymptomatic carriers could spread it. That is the purpose of the HIV insertion. This mutation cannot happen naturally. Covid 19 is a chimera virus.
Chimera viruses (recombination, not mutation) do occur naturally.
Also, there's not necessarily an "HIV insertion." The part of the sars-2 genome that matches HIV also matches many other viruses. It was a meaningless finding, used to scare people.
I don't know about coronaviridae, but it's the same process that gave us h1n1 in 1918. Bird flu crossing to humans via swine. This time it's bat virus crossing to humans via (possibly) pangolin.
No hospital has been overwhelmed. No Dr has had to make a decision to not treat a dying person because they didn't have enough capacity.
Glad we're past the "ICU beds and ventilators" initial panic. That's not a thing anymore. We may not be ready to start selling off excess ventilators yet, but hopefully we will. Sell the old ones.
Holy fucking shit. Use your brain maybe think for a second why Italy isn’t like the USA and perhaps their health system they was already stretched to the breaking point BEFORE the pandemic, and why that might be.
And yet the normal seasonal flu doesn't have this effect.
Covid19 is a real killer to the risk groups even if the general population is gonna be ok. Just because the virus is mostly killing our elderly doesn't mean its not severe.
Doesn't surprise me at all, with Italy having the oldest population in Europe among other factors. And yet from what we've seen so far the covid19 looks worse. By the rate it's going at you'll have a much higher death count than the seasonal flu,
despite all the measures taken to limit the spread.
Due to the limited testing we can't say anything about the true fatality rate though.
I would bet my husband's 20,000 retention bonus in July that the death toll from this virus is LESS than seasonal flu because Birx aka Dr. Blinky SAID they are counting anyone who died who tested positive for virus died of virus.
Yup, and since Flu and Corona symptoms are virtually identical, they don't even have to test you, if you die from Flu they are very likely to just count it as Corona.
Do you know what the sad thing is? This is how the world will "fight" any new pandemic. Not with treatment (that they still don't give to people). Not with new vaccines (that take years to make).
They will just close everything down and put millions of people out of work.......
That's how they plan to fight it!? Whenever people get back to work you now have to set up a "pandemic fund/savings account". For that time a new one comes about and your out of work for months on end.
Want a new house? You are out of luck sucker. New pandemic coming soon.
What kind of bullshit is that crap? How can a government plan anything beyond a few years?
Trying to put a mortality rate on this is still pretty ridiculous. We still don't know how many have had it,plus there are different categories of those who get it:
young and healthy defined as under 60 and no health conditions that are high risk, you're expected to (eventually) recover just fine even with no treatment at all. Some have died in this category, but not many. Some young strong military men have been miserable for a month. Really hard not to spread it like that.
Someone on any ONE of the high risk groups has a very different outcome. A person in 2 or more is even worse. And more advanced age is directly related to "mortality rate" more than the rest of it, as far as we know so far. Any number you can come up with, by the time you apply it to the whole population, it's meaningless.
We know people 80+ die at a rate over 8%.
We don't yet know mortality rate for those with poorly controlled asthma. Or how that differs across age brackets. It makes sense that these people have real problems once it gets bad enough to make breathing a challenge.
We don't know mortality rate for people with cancer who are taking immunosuppressants. I would guess this makes them much more likely to catch it if they're exposed, but once they have it does it progress more severely?
Not only does that Set of distinctions go right through the list of all the risk factors, but you've got two broad categories: with medicine and without. And it gets more complicated because now Trump pills aren't the only thing that might cure this.
So any overall mortality rate would mostly just be a function of how many of each of these groups do you have in your total. That's pretty meaningless. Tracking each of these categories would be MUCH more meaningful.
By now I'd hope each of us knows if we're in any of these high risk groups, and how to act accordingly.
Trump is currently talking about shutting the payment plan to this corrupt organization. I simply cannot understand, why our country has the highest debt world wide, but they donates the most money to organizations world wide, who hold our country hostage and are combative towards us, in every way.
Kickback schemes and corruption. The NGO fucktards take the taxpayer money and launder some back to our politicians through “speaking fees” and jobs for family members. We are paying foreign nationals to bribe our leaders, it’s really fucked.
This is actually a big reason for the TDS, Trump refuses to ride the corruption gravy train, so they hate him. He is like the one cop in a dirty department that refuses to take any stolen drug money, so his corrupt buddies want him dead.
I've looked at this as a good demonstration of what would happen if the big luau ever kicked off anywhere in the country. We would have the same government over-reaches everywhere.
All liberty-minded people should be observing this nonsense, take notes, and prepare and adjust tactics accordingly. That will be the only good thing to come out of this hoax - the enemy is showing its whole game plan, for us to read.
So my state, Florida was projected to have 68 deaths yesterday. We had 15. The projected range was 24-147 so we fell under that. I'm locked in my house because 15 people died yesterday in a state of 21 million.
True dat. My county had a newspaper article about a 46 year old woman who died of WuFlu. Deep down in the article it says she had down syndrome. This activated my almonds, so I looked up the life expectancy of down syndrome people.....47 years old. She was basically the downs equivalent of an 80 year old.
Ready for it? Now remove the risk group of being aged 60+ with underlying health conditions. The mortality rate plummets to near zero.
It always made the most sense to just let people in the risk group know to be more careful this flu season than they normally are, instead of shutting down our entire country.
What people are forgetting or not taking into account is that Influenza A & B have a vaccine. The number of people that die in America from complications of the flu is still high. Flu 2.0 aka Covid19 is overhyped. I'm for being cautious, but it's out of hand panic scare tactics when that's all you hear about all day everyday.
Exactly. More precisely what happened is they officially combined flu with pneumonia ~5 years ago, almost 10x'ing the totals.
It used to be more clear, with the 40-80k number that is cited being called "flu+pneumonia" if you read the CDC documents.
Then they stopped doing that and just call it "flu" so that no one can tell. This is IN ADDITION to every other aspect and challenge that has been mentioned here over the past few weeks.
But (in a tremendous irony) that 40-80k dead from the flu is something they will have gotten us to argue FOR as reality to try to make sense of this Corona event.
Sometimes they are more clever than we give them credit for.
Italy is probably missing a lot of asymptomatic carriers, they have a high elderly population, they have a lot of family members living in one household, and 24% smoke. Their smaller amount of hospital space probably didn’t help with a big influx all at once. Still though Rest In Peace Italians. This is why a credible source of warning is truly needed for most of the world.
Hug a Chinese day has been suspended indefinitely.
Currently on worldometers.info: Italy is #3 in total cases with 152,271. Compared to our (supposed) 535,183 (which I think is wildly inflated)
Italy's death count is 19,468 vs our (reported) 20,649, which we all know is wildly over reported.
Cases per million population, Italy has 2,518, we have 1,617. Deaths per capita they're about 5x what we have.
They've tested almost twice as many per capita as we have. We've tested less than 3x as many people as they have. This is a big change, and I didn't see when Italy started testing more than us.
Not anymore we don't! Not since Cuomo's mistake. (Which is also being repeated by most of our Governors) But your point stands, per capita hides more information than it reveals. What's important is infected people by category per what risk group(s) they're in, treatment,and outcome. Statistics within those groups is meaningful.
Finding out how many people are immune is also important, but regardless of that number Counties with 0-10 infected people could've been responsibly opened up on April 1, and of course everyone who's recovered is virus-free and immune, they can go back to work with no risk no matter where they are.
That needs to be modified: we used to have large area that seemed to be unaffected. Where that transition was used to be right where I live. Then Cuomo made his terrible mistake: even though 9 million pills of HCQ had been donated to the US, he only let 1100 New Yorkers have any. Then New Yorkers panicked and fled, and spread it all over the Country.
You can see by cellphone location how that came right to my County. We had about 5 infected people. Immediately that jumped up and now we're close to 200.
My Governor and many others are repeating Cuomo's mistake of denying sick people medicine. The area that used to be Counties with 0 people infected is now carved up by Counties that have 10 or fewer infected people. No State is unaffected anymore, but some are minimally affected compared to others.
So you're right, comparing by per capita clouds more information than it reveals. What's important is out of people tested positive, the many categories of risk they're in, effectiveness of treatment, and outcome.
The article about the German study, linked to from Gateway Pundit, is in German.
Here's the first part translated...
"For about two weeks now, research has been carried out in the Heinsberg district to determine how far the coronavirus has already spread. Virologist Hendrik Streeck presented the first interim results on Thursday (April 9th, 2020). According to this, in the particularly affected community of Gangelt, 15 percent of the more than 500 test subjects had a current or already survived infection.
HIV researcher Professor Hendrick Streeck from the University Hospital Bonn galleryVirologist Hendrik Streeck
Lower mortality?
The study also makes new statements on the coronavirus mortality rate. So far, the renowned Johns Hopkins University assumes that 1.98 percent of those infected die in Germany. Due to the fact that the Heinsberger study now also includes previously undetected infections and the total number of corona sufferers is higher, the death rate for Gangelt is only 0.37 percent.
A total of around 1,000 people took part in the study. The interim results now available come from around half of the subjects."
As time goes on, you can approximate the true mortality rate simply by looking at the deaths per 1 million.
In most countries, this seems to be around 300 per 1 million in highly infected areas (Spain, Italy, New York). Assuming 80% are infected, you get a 0.3-0.4% mortality rate.
Even the president was able to call out the lies around the “high” mortality rate by pointing out that 80% are asymptomatic or mild cases — so how could any epidemiologist fail to do so?
Well the threat was the virus spreading to the point that the number of serious cases overwhelms the hospitals' ability to deal with them, like what happened in China. The control measures were highly effective, so the spread has been kept to a minimum. Now we have everything we need to deal with it in a normal fashion, so there's no reason to keep all of these control measures. If people just keep washing their hands more, don't cough everywhere, stay home if sick, then that'll be more than enough to keep the spread to below normal levels.
Case Mortality Rate is not the same as mortality rate.
CMR is 6% globally now with about 2 million confirmed cases. To get to an actual mortality reate of 0.3% it would mean there are 40 million cases - 38 million being undiagnosed.
NY has about 200,000 cases for 20 million people to keep the math simple. That's already at 1% of the entire population of NY. If we multiply x20 like we did globally, it would be 4 million are already infected in NY, which is about 20% of the entire population.
Fauci said last week that the doctors have different opinions on this. The low end he estimated was 25% of the population. The high end 50%.
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Read the article. Giant logical error.
If you're counting "asymptomatic cases" as having the disease, then you're not comparing apples to apples because we don't count asymptomatic flu cases as having the disease. Ergo the relative mortality rates for the flu would drop too.
To compare it to the flu, you have to use the same definition of who does and does not have the disease.
All mortality rates are relative guys! You have to compare apples to apples!
Look at Spain and Italy and Sweden! 10, 8, and 13% mortality rates respectively!
The big question is why Trump let these swamp creatures show graphs of 2.2million and close down the economy. It's because he's a germaphobe and this hit him at his core. He went along because they found something they could push him along in. It's not going to look well for him at all in the end. This is too big.
The mortality rate varies from country to country, but overall its is actually at around 21% https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ . Obviously in well developed countries with good healthcare its much lower, however if anything the WHO was far to slow to react to this, criminally in my view.
I know this probably isn’t a popular opinion but I don’t agree with the assessment that this is like or less severe than the flu.
They weren’t digging mass graves in New York for the Flu. What’s the go there? What about China’s furnaces working overtime according to satellite images, that doesn’t usually happen.
I don’t think it’s as bad as reported, but to say it’s like the flu isn’t a smart take when the world is on lockdown. Flu mortality rates would be much much lower if we had lockdowns in previous years.
If Wuhan Virus has the same mortality rate under lockdown as the flu does when not under lockdown, that makes Wuhan virus magnitudes worse.
We can’t reject one false narrative and replace it with an equally false narrative.
Edit: -11 downvotes because my mass grave example was incorrect. No one sufficiently rebutted the premise of what I said. I don’t get why you guys left reddit only to behave just as zealously as r/politics. My friend tried to sell this place as a haven for discussion but it seems people are dying to bring you down for a minor mistake even when they can’t be bothered putting in the effort to make any sort of sound counter argument. Well my time on this site just started and I think I’m done here. Guess I’ll have to MAGA alone, good luck with the website guys.
The mass grave in NY was fake news. They’ve been burying prisoners and unclaimed bodies there for decades.
China: agreed, it seems that way more people died than they report. There’s stories of millions of cell phone numbers missing, plus as you said, the furnaces.
Which begs the question: if it is not so deadly here, then what did all those Chinese people die from? And why ‘disappear’ all who tried to get the word out?
At a guess, maybe China committed the biggest case of simultaneous medical and civil malpractice in history. Seems likely it was CCP panic at all levels of government and it led to barbaric actions? Which begs the question, why so panicked?
This virus hits certain groups much harder than others. In europe this can be seen clearly as immigrant populations are severely affected ( general health status is worse, TBC and MERS are common). China has a ton of elderly, everyone smokes, the air is shitty and so on...
The simplest reason for missing cell phone numbers is that they shut down their cell phone "farms" during the quarantine. Or they disconnected people's numbers to quell panic or stop real information about covid getting out.
According to this data, towards the end of the data set at 4th of April, there were approximately 4 thousand deaths in a time frame of 2 weeks, it’s not fair to count the 4K deaths as the annual total because coronavirus had not started spreading fully until later which is why all the deaths are concentrated in a fortnight span.
Now, those deaths are despite lockdown.
If we assume 4K deaths every fortnight, that’s over 100k per year despite lockdown vs 61k for the year for the flu with no lockdown.
If coronavirus’s death rate is potentially double the flu but can achieve this through a lock down, that’s a substantial problem and it is magnitudes worse than the flu.
I’m curious to hear how you spin these numbers. Are you going to just say 61k vs 6k for the year? That’s a very unintelligent way to look at those numbers, there is no point including earlier months with zero deaths when the virus had not properly come to the US yet.
I used your own data and I’m more convinced now that I’m correct.
Nah, the flu season is typically the winter months. It's speculated (and there is some evidence) that China flu will also drop off in the warmer weather of the summer months.
It might be that it's as dangerous as the seasonal flu in terms of the % of people who get it dying, but it's just that much more infectious. More people infected, more people die.
Edit: I should also add that I don't believe in a conspiracy to release this virus to get Trump, but they're definitely not going to let a crisis go to waste.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu. Your answer seems to validate what I’m saying, but I’m massively downvoted because I cited a mass grave example that turns out to be incorrect.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu.
It does, but I think the general feeling here is that a lot of the anti-Trump crowd are hoping for (and trying to push the narrative) that it's more dangerous than it is. Also, the WHO are cunts so this conspiracy feeds into both of those narratives.
While I agree that the WHO are cunts and there are lots of people trying to blame Trump for this, I really think this is just a case of us learning more about the China flu.
And to be honest, a higher infection rate with lower mortality rate is much better the other way around because it puts a much lower ceiling on the total number of deaths and leads to herd immunity earlier so everyone can get back to work sooner.
Having "centrist" in your handle probably doesn't give you much leeway to repeat fake news, but it's only imaginary internet points. Mistakes happen, but you'll always be welcome here if you're on the Trump train.
you can argue your point all you want. and you bring up valid points. but the second you started acting like a giant pussy and said i'm going home boohoo someone downvoted me, i stopped giving a fuck about what you had to say.
upvotes and downvotes mean jack shit. people see what you're saying. trolls and shills try to manipulate votes all the time.
for you to rage quit and run away because less than 20 downvoted your comment is the equivalent of a kid throwing down his controller when he loses on Xbox live.
get a grip. say what you want. take your downvotes with pride. as long as you don't break the rules here, your argument still stands.
or go MAGA alone like a faggot. i don't really care.
It was never about a virus. "Create a pandemic" was just the next bullet on a powerpoint slide about how to crash the economy.
To make President Trump look bad, and hope he doesnt get elected, it is the globalist neocon behind all this shit.
Someone, a so-called philanthropist, with a foundation with big investments in vaccines and a global digital ID, was already planning publicly for today’s scenario in 2015.
They were preparing long before Trump’s election for this.
Fortunately so was he.
On the same token you have many hundreds of millions more giving support, love and admiration.
Remember the rallies, or heck when he was speaking with Modi in India?
idk how he does it. He knows he is deeply loved by the MAGA base and that gives him extra endurance and shields him from TDSers
Bingo!
Now imagine how much worse it would be if Clinton had won.
We would all be listed along with Vince Foster and the others on the body count list no doubt
They would not have needed to release the virus if that side of beef had won. They could have saved the virus for a later date.
Name rhymes with Gill Bates? Have u seen his wife? Butt ugly. Id rather bang the doctor during the corona briefings from Pennsylvania “Rachel Levine” aka Richard. The fact that “Rachel” is an expert and lectures the public about what to do, but doesnt even know where to use the potty is an absolute joke.
I found it rather suspicious that Netflix released a documentary miniseries called Pandemic right before this pandemic began. Not to mention, they added movies like Contagion to their line up. Almost like they wanted people to watch, get freaked out, and be ready to panic once they announced this virus.
9/11 style simulation they run as the event actually happens
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html
Plannedemic. But they're gunning for a lot bigger target than just the 2020 elections.
This election is huge because if President Trump gets re-elected by the tike his 2nd term is ending there could be a 7-2 majority in the SCOTUS. I really think that’s what it’s about because the SCOTUS is the only thing in our system that has the long-term impact that can get in the way of China’s 100 year plan. Outside of appointing new ones, the SCOTUS lives outside election cycles and that scares the shit out of the globalists.
The SCOTUS was a huge factor in my wanting Trump to win.
Having actual Constitutionalists on the SCOTUS would mean massive changes to this country that would last decades and decades.
Yes this election is huge, and globalists do care about it. Just today I saw something about China's 100 year plan that's well worth watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsPLmb6gAdw&app=desktop
Globalists have had something else in mind for longer, and are far closer to implementing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsPLmb6gAdw&app=desktop
No doubt this election is YUUGE. Here's something I just saw today that involves China's 100 year plan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsPLmb6gAdw&app=desktop
Globalists are concerned with a much bigger picture than just SCOTUS, which doesn't mean they aren't interested in our next election. You could get a quick glimpse into the bigger picture here: https://thedonald.win/p/FMEpoWv9/youre-thinking-way-too-small-wha/
Nice term "plannedemic". Yes, it seems to be emerging as a multi-purpose operation. They want us divided and isolated from each other so we don't even talk to each other without fear of being arrested, fined, and imprisoned, or worse. Also, this is the DS wet dream for "population reduction" by killing off the elderly "useless eaters". Then there's Billy Gates personal favorite, the vaccines with injectable tracking doodads in them! It's just evil without end, but it is back firing on them as we speak.
Right now things are kinda looking up even as lots more Americans die. 26,641 in the last day, as reported.
Don't count the globohomos as down and out just yet though. Their long term plan created no later than 1913 involves our gdp being so out of whack with our national debt that everyone knows we can never pay it back. Then they call the debt and all our stuff are belong to them. And they implement OWG (One World Government) complete with no borders, no national sovereignty, no liberties, no rights including property ownership - essentially everything this Nation ever stood for forfeited in exchange for gibs. Without a single shot ever being fired.
How close are we to that now? Also, part of their plan is one world currency that would make us all serfs. Having very few ruling elite with all the wealth. That's their real objective.
The only visible enemy right now is our Governors. I'm most pissed at them for denying sick people medicine. They're mass murderers! Even though the numbers are bogus and not every death was preventable. The way to beat this thing is giving Trump pills to people right after testing positive, so they never have to go to the hospital and they're virus-free in 6 days. Instead, Governors have been denying HCQ to people unless they're already admitted to the hospital which means their outcome is likely to be a lot worse. That's the way to drag this crisis out.
Maybe people will be willing to remove them from Office physically to stand trial as mass murderers after DJT lifts the directive about social distancing? I don't know what it will take, but waiting for things to get worse is absolutely the wrong thing to do. We'll need drastic action to make any difference at all. If all Governors were removed from Office on the same day via torches pitchforks and whatever else we have the globohomos would shit their pants.
isn't it mostly Dem Govs tho'? I haven't taken the time to research all 50 states, just the ones that are perpetrating insane rules on their people. But now today, I notice the "faux martial law" exercised by county mayors seems to be increasing. They are trying hard to prevent the Nov 2020 elections, that's for sure.
Well if the Nov election were entirely prevented we wouldn't mind that at all. We've got to stop their mail in ballot fraud at any cost. My Governor is a D ONLY because boxes of absentee ballots were brought in at the last minute and had just enough D votes to give him the win. That has happened all over the Country, and is textbook fraud.
If they steal the election we have no choice but 1776. I don't see why it's better to wait until after fraudulent results are in and not better to stop the fraud BAMN.
In terms of Governors, I'm afraid most people are focused on just what you say. In 1918 it was a Catholic Priest that protested government shutdown the most, and it was all lifted after 2 weeks. Starting April 1, we've been in completely uncharted territory. I'm still more concerned with mass murder. I like to go to Church too, and I'm all for standing up for all our Constitutional rights, but R Governors have also denied sick people medicine. The easiest way to tell is just look at how many people have recovered in your State, as well as total cases and deaths. It indicates that very few Governors have let Drs practice medicine.
They've been planning it for over 100 years. We have some catching up to do.
It's was their greatest false flag event and their LAST!
I like your positivity Pede!
Seems pretty easy to do.
Let's get back to normal, shall we? End the lockdown
Cities might still need a different approach. Most of the Country is very different. Cuomo is an idiot to claim that nothing in any part of the US is any different than NYC. (Cuomo's an idiot anyway)
Population density is a huge factor in the spread of any communicable disease.
its. all. bullshit. all the way down. then its just turtles.
"A" turtle anyway. And just before that, 4 elephants.
Turtles? Cocaine Mitch? Or are you thinking Teenage Ninja?
get some culture bro. stop watching tv.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
Completely inappropriate comment. Wiki does not = "culture." I haven't watched TV in decades. And I've never watched any of the turtles.
Besides, I'm not sure you're referring to the problem of infinite regression here at all, which would make your obscure twist of an obscure phrase completely wrong.
And that’s exactly why this type of response has never been done and this is all bullshit
Yea just going on Facebook for a few minutes confirms that. Sad. The crazy thing is if they treated this like a bad flu season and didn’t run 24/7 Coronavirus numbers on the screen no one would bat an eye
I get this just fine thanks, and you're missing really important details.
Without realizing it, you're proposing we just give up on anyone who gets cancer, ever. They're going to die, too bad. No research, they're just the weakest link - goodbye!
Asthma? Too bad so sad. Dead.
Old age? You're a little better than Logan's run where everyone dies at 30, but it's the same principle.
In ancient Greece maybe your philosophy would've been adopted. It's got an appeal in that juvenile, primal sort of way; but our society has developed more humanity than that. Thank God.
I wish these commies would make up their minds.
"I think what's right for New York City isn't necessarily right for all the other cities. Otherwise you'd have a naked cowboy in every city."
Many green initiatives are causing the spread.
I know nothing about this. Can you explain how? I guess I've heard about reusing shopping bags is suspected, and that could count. So some places have gone back to single use plastic bags which is ... well I guess it defies my ability to describe at the moment, lol.
What else?
Mass transit, for sure. Compare NYC, which relies heavily on mass transit and California (minus San Francisco) where most people commute via their own personal vehicles. NYC has way more cases and deaths per capita. Mass transit is a green initiative. They want more people riding subways, light rail or buses. In a pandemic, reliance on mass transit is far more dangerous than using your own vehicle.
Another green initiative is high density housing. They don't want people spread out all over the suburbs and rural areas, but crammed in apartment complexes. Again, compare areas of high density living environments v more rural states with houses spread out.
There are the little environmental things, too. The reusable bags, as you mentioned, which are nasty and carry germs v plastic. Again, in a pandemic, which is safer? Here in MN, some areas have banned straws. Now they have back tracked on that, and are handing out straws at drive thru restaurants, whereas before we had to request a straw. Straws are more hygienic than drinking out of a glass in a restaurant. The straw is sealed, the glass is touched-I think restaurants will rethink the straw ban when they are allowed to reopen.
There are numerous policies that environmental activists encourage and support that during a pandemic prove to be a problem.
Thanks! It's good to hear your perspective. You're right, mass transit got labeled a "green initiative" after the fact, but in NYC it was standard at least as far back as the 1950's. "Nobody" owns a car there, which is part of the 'charm' of living in that dog eat dog environment. Things that aren't super close you get to via taxi or subway, mostly. If you fly somewhere far away, you rent a car there.
Population density has been factored in by how many Governors? 1? (Utah is the only one I know of) Every State has large areas of low population density, even NJ. Unbelievably stupid to treat these areas just like the cities. We have SO many large Counties that still have 0-10 people infected! April 1 they could have all opened up, with no risk of the 'second wave' spiraling out of control. We'd have data and experience from that to be responsibly opening up phase 2 right now. Cities will be harder.
Interesting that you mention glasses in restaurants! Studies on the virus (and other things like herpes) surviving commercial dishwashers or no, what it takes to properly disinfect / sterilize them ... this could all take quite some time to sort out. Theoretically silver has properties on its own that makes it not a problem, but most restaurants don't use actual "silver" ware. I use a shaker cup and bring it everywhere anyway, I'd be perfectly comfortable bringing it into a restaurant instead of using their glasses. That might be a solution.
We might increase 'single use plastics' a lot by disposable cutlery. The green initiative there should be greatly improving our plastic recycling. Lots of ways to do that!
It keeps going down! It will be the regular flu % in a month.
treatment protocols have improved too
people are put on different meds for hypoxemia rather than straight on ventilators
Nor was hydrochloroquine widely available when these data were collected. Better treatment = lower mortality rate.
What medication treats hypoxemia directly?
should have said treatment not meds
cpap. bradykinin blockers. blood transfusions. hyperbaric chambers
I'm surprised echmo hasn't been proposed...
its used in australia
its very expensive and limited in numbers, so only some people are suited for it
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/12/national/science-health/last-resort-coronavirus-treatment-japan-hospitals/
Not that it shouldn't be taken seriously but damn this is [shill txt here)
End the fucking lock down, Jesus.
It seems that way, all of the so-called experts will practically tell you if you think you have the coronavirus talk to your doctor to get a slip to get tested then go to the local drive-through at the hospital get tested. Then if you test positive and even have simply minor symptoms they’ll say well, your immune compromised In this virus is really scary, have you been watching the news, it’s probably the safest bet that will put you in the hospital until you recover, instead of simply sending them home and having a beer with their primary care.
I never understood why so many people were in a huff to get tested. If you have symptoms that are mild, stay home, treat symptoms, and self quarantine 14 days. If symptoms were severe, go to doctor. Why worry about the test if you have a sniffle or a slight cough. People are hypochondriacs.
Normies are susceptible to wartime agitprop
Yea im a doctor too. That was easy.
I am also a doctor at a hospital.
Hi, I'm a doctor too. I can confirm, if you cough during this time, you WILL need hospitalization and ventilators.
I'm not a doctor. I'm a Ph.D. virologist, and I can confirm -- if you are within 22.5 yards of someone who coughs, there is a 99.5% chance that you will catch COVID. Also, it lives on every hard surface for up to a month, meaning that if you go anywhere or touch anything which has been within 22.5 yards of anyone with the virus, you will likely need hospitalization.
You must be a horrible doctor, cause you know, there is a treatment that seems to work
The occupancy rate of ERs are not overwhelmed, and what is overwhelming the ICUs is the negative pressure demand for each suspect and confirmed patient.
Negative pressure, decontamination areas, outdoor triage. all those extreme measures are not required for the flu, even though the death rate is same. For such a low death rate, those measures were an over reaction. Plus NewYork is declaring assumed covids as confirmed covids, so their death rate data is not accurate.
According to: The Curve is Already Flat: https://archive.fo/PPwJq the virus seed date was Nov, the spread had been going for 4 months prior to forced confinement. So house arrest while we are at the bottom of the curve is ridiculous. If NewYork had actually started testing 100,000 people in Dec, the peak would have registered months prior.
Ordering healthy assymptomatic Americans to remain under house arrest for a month, afraid that if they touch anything at the supermarket they might be super spreaders is even more ridiculous. Forced home confinement was based on the WHOs 3.4% death rate which turned out to be complete bullshit.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
On the covid19 subreddit (not the anti-trump r/coronavirus) you can find lots of good information.
It was engineered to lie in wait in the body so the asymptomatic carriers could spread it. That is the purpose of the HIV insertion. This mutation cannot happen naturally. Covid 19 is a chimera virus.
Chimera viruses (recombination, not mutation) do occur naturally.
Also, there's not necessarily an "HIV insertion." The part of the sars-2 genome that matches HIV also matches many other viruses. It was a meaningless finding, used to scare people.
Interesting. Can you give a example of a natural corona virus and a retro virus recombination?
I don't know about coronaviridae, but it's the same process that gave us h1n1 in 1918. Bird flu crossing to humans via swine. This time it's bat virus crossing to humans via (possibly) pangolin.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro2614 here's an article about recombination in RNA viruses like coronavirus.
Globalism control.
Oh it’s fatal to young ppl get 8 ppl under 25 have died in America? Ok doomer
No hospital has been overwhelmed. No Dr has had to make a decision to not treat a dying person because they didn't have enough capacity.
Glad we're past the "ICU beds and ventilators" initial panic. That's not a thing anymore. We may not be ready to start selling off excess ventilators yet, but hopefully we will. Sell the old ones.
Name one place overwhelmed????
Hospitals are laying off staff.
Holy fucking shit. Use your brain maybe think for a second why Italy isn’t like the USA and perhaps their health system they was already stretched to the breaking point BEFORE the pandemic, and why that might be.
And yet the normal seasonal flu doesn't have this effect.
Covid19 is a real killer to the risk groups even if the general population is gonna be ok. Just because the virus is mostly killing our elderly doesn't mean its not severe.
Flu is dangerous and severe to the elderly.
Overall mortality rates have not changed year over year.
Huh, funny because Italy is known for having significantly high death rates from the flu than other European countries.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
Doesn't surprise me at all, with Italy having the oldest population in Europe among other factors. And yet from what we've seen so far the covid19 looks worse. By the rate it's going at you'll have a much higher death count than the seasonal flu, despite all the measures taken to limit the spread.
Due to the limited testing we can't say anything about the true fatality rate though.
Doesnt mean we have to halt the nation either
Of course not. There are truly evil people taking advantage of this pandemic.
At least it looks like China is gonna suffer this time. It's been a real eyeopener for the public.
Yet you still failed to n name a single US hospital that was overwhelmed.
because you used Italy as an example like a moron
So what does Italy have to do with it dumbass?
'Contagious and quite deadly with the very old'...not the rest. In fact y could say the young are 'immune'.
I would bet my husband's 20,000 retention bonus in July that the death toll from this virus is LESS than seasonal flu because Birx aka Dr. Blinky SAID they are counting anyone who died who tested positive for virus died of virus.
Yup, and since Flu and Corona symptoms are virtually identical, they don't even have to test you, if you die from Flu they are very likely to just count it as Corona.
Do you know what the sad thing is? This is how the world will "fight" any new pandemic. Not with treatment (that they still don't give to people). Not with new vaccines (that take years to make).
They will just close everything down and put millions of people out of work.......
That's how they plan to fight it!? Whenever people get back to work you now have to set up a "pandemic fund/savings account". For that time a new one comes about and your out of work for months on end.
Want a new house? You are out of luck sucker. New pandemic coming soon.
What kind of bullshit is that crap? How can a government plan anything beyond a few years?
It's bullshit.
Trying to put a mortality rate on this is still pretty ridiculous. We still don't know how many have had it,plus there are different categories of those who get it:
young and healthy defined as under 60 and no health conditions that are high risk, you're expected to (eventually) recover just fine even with no treatment at all. Some have died in this category, but not many. Some young strong military men have been miserable for a month. Really hard not to spread it like that.
Someone on any ONE of the high risk groups has a very different outcome. A person in 2 or more is even worse. And more advanced age is directly related to "mortality rate" more than the rest of it, as far as we know so far. Any number you can come up with, by the time you apply it to the whole population, it's meaningless.
We know people 80+ die at a rate over 8%.
We don't yet know mortality rate for those with poorly controlled asthma. Or how that differs across age brackets. It makes sense that these people have real problems once it gets bad enough to make breathing a challenge.
We don't know mortality rate for people with cancer who are taking immunosuppressants. I would guess this makes them much more likely to catch it if they're exposed, but once they have it does it progress more severely?
Not only does that Set of distinctions go right through the list of all the risk factors, but you've got two broad categories: with medicine and without. And it gets more complicated because now Trump pills aren't the only thing that might cure this.
So any overall mortality rate would mostly just be a function of how many of each of these groups do you have in your total. That's pretty meaningless. Tracking each of these categories would be MUCH more meaningful.
By now I'd hope each of us knows if we're in any of these high risk groups, and how to act accordingly.
Trump is currently talking about shutting the payment plan to this corrupt organization. I simply cannot understand, why our country has the highest debt world wide, but they donates the most money to organizations world wide, who hold our country hostage and are combative towards us, in every way.
Kickback schemes and corruption. The NGO fucktards take the taxpayer money and launder some back to our politicians through “speaking fees” and jobs for family members. We are paying foreign nationals to bribe our leaders, it’s really fucked.
This is actually a big reason for the TDS, Trump refuses to ride the corruption gravy train, so they hate him. He is like the one cop in a dirty department that refuses to take any stolen drug money, so his corrupt buddies want him dead.
We are in for some very difficult fights on multiple fronts, my friend. Know who your people are, and take care of them.
This was just a dry-run. That's all. Next time they won't even need to use a virus as an excuse for the power-grabs
I've looked at this as a good demonstration of what would happen if the big luau ever kicked off anywhere in the country. We would have the same government over-reaches everywhere.
All liberty-minded people should be observing this nonsense, take notes, and prepare and adjust tactics accordingly. That will be the only good thing to come out of this hoax - the enemy is showing its whole game plan, for us to read.
So my state, Florida was projected to have 68 deaths yesterday. We had 15. The projected range was 24-147 so we fell under that. I'm locked in my house because 15 people died yesterday in a state of 21 million.
True dat. My county had a newspaper article about a 46 year old woman who died of WuFlu. Deep down in the article it says she had down syndrome. This activated my almonds, so I looked up the life expectancy of down syndrome people.....47 years old. She was basically the downs equivalent of an 80 year old.
And how many retirees and motorcyclists without helmets would have died anyway...
Ready for it? Now remove the risk group of being aged 60+ with underlying health conditions. The mortality rate plummets to near zero.
It always made the most sense to just let people in the risk group know to be more careful this flu season than they normally are, instead of shutting down our entire country.
What people are forgetting or not taking into account is that Influenza A & B have a vaccine. The number of people that die in America from complications of the flu is still high. Flu 2.0 aka Covid19 is overhyped. I'm for being cautious, but it's out of hand panic scare tactics when that's all you hear about all day everyday.
And the flu shot is only 50% effective. HONK.
The flu vaccine is partially protective even if you get a different strain.
Also... .1% is an average. Certainly higher some years.
So what happened in Italy?
Italy lost like 20k to the flu last year. We lost 61k to the flu in 2017-2018. This is a nothing burger - both here and in Italy.
Check out what 0bama did to flu numbers. Prob 1/10th that.
Let me guess, same thing we're doing with the Corona virus now?
Exactly. More precisely what happened is they officially combined flu with pneumonia ~5 years ago, almost 10x'ing the totals.
It used to be more clear, with the 40-80k number that is cited being called "flu+pneumonia" if you read the CDC documents.
Then they stopped doing that and just call it "flu" so that no one can tell. This is IN ADDITION to every other aspect and challenge that has been mentioned here over the past few weeks.
But (in a tremendous irony) that 40-80k dead from the flu is something they will have gotten us to argue FOR as reality to try to make sense of this Corona event.
Sometimes they are more clever than we give them credit for.
Italy is probably missing a lot of asymptomatic carriers, they have a high elderly population, they have a lot of family members living in one household, and 24% smoke. Their smaller amount of hospital space probably didn’t help with a big influx all at once. Still though Rest In Peace Italians. This is why a credible source of warning is truly needed for most of the world.
Hug a Chinese day has been suspended indefinitely.
Currently on worldometers.info: Italy is #3 in total cases with 152,271. Compared to our (supposed) 535,183 (which I think is wildly inflated)
Italy's death count is 19,468 vs our (reported) 20,649, which we all know is wildly over reported.
Cases per million population, Italy has 2,518, we have 1,617. Deaths per capita they're about 5x what we have.
They've tested almost twice as many per capita as we have. We've tested less than 3x as many people as they have. This is a big change, and I didn't see when Italy started testing more than us.
Progressivism kills.
You can't even go by per capita as a true measure because we have whole states that are unaffected.
Not anymore we don't! Not since Cuomo's mistake. (Which is also being repeated by most of our Governors) But your point stands, per capita hides more information than it reveals. What's important is infected people by category per what risk group(s) they're in, treatment,and outcome. Statistics within those groups is meaningful.
Finding out how many people are immune is also important, but regardless of that number Counties with 0-10 infected people could've been responsibly opened up on April 1, and of course everyone who's recovered is virus-free and immune, they can go back to work with no risk no matter where they are.
That needs to be modified: we used to have large area that seemed to be unaffected. Where that transition was used to be right where I live. Then Cuomo made his terrible mistake: even though 9 million pills of HCQ had been donated to the US, he only let 1100 New Yorkers have any. Then New Yorkers panicked and fled, and spread it all over the Country.
You can see by cellphone location how that came right to my County. We had about 5 infected people. Immediately that jumped up and now we're close to 200.
My Governor and many others are repeating Cuomo's mistake of denying sick people medicine. The area that used to be Counties with 0 people infected is now carved up by Counties that have 10 or fewer infected people. No State is unaffected anymore, but some are minimally affected compared to others.
So you're right, comparing by per capita clouds more information than it reveals. What's important is out of people tested positive, the many categories of risk they're in, effectiveness of treatment, and outcome.
The average age of those that died was 81, so I'm guessing maybe a hotspot or two included nursing homes.
Italy's healthcare system is complete garbage.
It's a huge scam.
Of course.
And it's probably even lower, since we know that flu deaths are being counted as Kung Flu deaths.
It probably is 3.4% in shithole countries
We didn't try to cure it with bear bile
WHO is a weaponized intelligence operation
Trump needs to be saying this during his conferences. Fake News just runs rampant when nobody challenges it
The science is settled. Lets get back to work
Thanks for my first sticky, mods!
As Trump, and many of us here have been saying.
So who is held accountable for this total overreaction and borderline economy shutdown?
so when a real virus does come, we're gonna treat it like chicken little, and all die XD
It's difficult to read a story which begins with, "A study released this week in Germany last week..."
It reads oddly, but is grammatically correct. It was released this week, but found its results last week.
This info needs to be spread everywhere. Just wait until people realize they lost their jobs and had their life thrown into chaos over this shit.
This had got to be desperation by the deep state because the odds of this kind of lie persisting longer than a few months are crazy low.
Doctors and nurses are not the MSM they will not keep the DS secrets.
The article about the German study, linked to from Gateway Pundit, is in German.
Here's the first part translated...
"For about two weeks now, research has been carried out in the Heinsberg district to determine how far the coronavirus has already spread. Virologist Hendrik Streeck presented the first interim results on Thursday (April 9th, 2020). According to this, in the particularly affected community of Gangelt, 15 percent of the more than 500 test subjects had a current or already survived infection.
HIV researcher Professor Hendrick Streeck from the University Hospital Bonn galleryVirologist Hendrik Streeck Lower mortality? The study also makes new statements on the coronavirus mortality rate. So far, the renowned Johns Hopkins University assumes that 1.98 percent of those infected die in Germany. Due to the fact that the Heinsberger study now also includes previously undetected infections and the total number of corona sufferers is higher, the death rate for Gangelt is only 0.37 percent.
A total of around 1,000 people took part in the study. The interim results now available come from around half of the subjects."
As time goes on, you can approximate the true mortality rate simply by looking at the deaths per 1 million.
In most countries, this seems to be around 300 per 1 million in highly infected areas (Spain, Italy, New York). Assuming 80% are infected, you get a 0.3-0.4% mortality rate.
Even the president was able to call out the lies around the “high” mortality rate by pointing out that 80% are asymptomatic or mild cases — so how could any epidemiologist fail to do so?
Time to start reopening the country.
Well the threat was the virus spreading to the point that the number of serious cases overwhelms the hospitals' ability to deal with them, like what happened in China. The control measures were highly effective, so the spread has been kept to a minimum. Now we have everything we need to deal with it in a normal fashion, so there's no reason to keep all of these control measures. If people just keep washing their hands more, don't cough everywhere, stay home if sick, then that'll be more than enough to keep the spread to below normal levels.
That's dependent on proper treatment and that also doesn't state the infectivity rate.
It's still dangerous, the media just says negative things. There's no conspiracy here beyond the media with TDS.
Hospitalizations has been the primary problem not deaths. 20x more likely to be hospitalized and stays in hospital 2 to 3x longer.
Case Mortality Rate is not the same as mortality rate.
CMR is 6% globally now with about 2 million confirmed cases. To get to an actual mortality reate of 0.3% it would mean there are 40 million cases - 38 million being undiagnosed.
NY has about 200,000 cases for 20 million people to keep the math simple. That's already at 1% of the entire population of NY. If we multiply x20 like we did globally, it would be 4 million are already infected in NY, which is about 20% of the entire population.
Fauci said last week that the doctors have different opinions on this. The low end he estimated was 25% of the population. The high end 50%.
:face-palm: Read the article. Giant logical error. If you're counting "asymptomatic cases" as having the disease, then you're not comparing apples to apples because we don't count asymptomatic flu cases as having the disease. Ergo the relative mortality rates for the flu would drop too. To compare it to the flu, you have to use the same definition of who does and does not have the disease. All mortality rates are relative guys! You have to compare apples to apples! Look at Spain and Italy and Sweden! 10, 8, and 13% mortality rates respectively!
-Your friendly, pro-Trump, clinical scientist.
That doesnt make sense because all the other bars are frozen. Its not accounting for the deaths that are moving from other categories to wuhan virus.
The big question is why Trump let these swamp creatures show graphs of 2.2million and close down the economy. It's because he's a germaphobe and this hit him at his core. He went along because they found something they could push him along in. It's not going to look well for him at all in the end. This is too big.
He did what he did because this is, in fact, a highly contagious disease and if he did nothing he would have got literally crucified.
The mortality rate varies from country to country, but overall its is actually at around 21% https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ . Obviously in well developed countries with good healthcare its much lower, however if anything the WHO was far to slow to react to this, criminally in my view.
I know this probably isn’t a popular opinion but I don’t agree with the assessment that this is like or less severe than the flu.
They weren’t digging mass graves in New York for the Flu. What’s the go there? What about China’s furnaces working overtime according to satellite images, that doesn’t usually happen.
I don’t think it’s as bad as reported, but to say it’s like the flu isn’t a smart take when the world is on lockdown. Flu mortality rates would be much much lower if we had lockdowns in previous years.
If Wuhan Virus has the same mortality rate under lockdown as the flu does when not under lockdown, that makes Wuhan virus magnitudes worse.
We can’t reject one false narrative and replace it with an equally false narrative.
Edit: -11 downvotes because my mass grave example was incorrect. No one sufficiently rebutted the premise of what I said. I don’t get why you guys left reddit only to behave just as zealously as r/politics. My friend tried to sell this place as a haven for discussion but it seems people are dying to bring you down for a minor mistake even when they can’t be bothered putting in the effort to make any sort of sound counter argument. Well my time on this site just started and I think I’m done here. Guess I’ll have to MAGA alone, good luck with the website guys.
The mass grave in NY was fake news. They’ve been burying prisoners and unclaimed bodies there for decades.
China: agreed, it seems that way more people died than they report. There’s stories of millions of cell phone numbers missing, plus as you said, the furnaces.
Which begs the question: if it is not so deadly here, then what did all those Chinese people die from? And why ‘disappear’ all who tried to get the word out?
At a guess, maybe China committed the biggest case of simultaneous medical and civil malpractice in history. Seems likely it was CCP panic at all levels of government and it led to barbaric actions? Which begs the question, why so panicked?
This virus hits certain groups much harder than others. In europe this can be seen clearly as immigrant populations are severely affected ( general health status is worse, TBC and MERS are common). China has a ton of elderly, everyone smokes, the air is shitty and so on...
Maybe China took this opportunity to "clense" its society of "troublemkwrs" by claiming they died of the virus.
Perhaps they knew there were a couple different strains in that lab, with some being much worse than others and they didn't want to take chances.
The simplest reason for missing cell phone numbers is that they shut down their cell phone "farms" during the quarantine. Or they disconnected people's numbers to quell panic or stop real information about covid getting out.
Not saying their numbers aren't fake.
Okay, that doesn’t address the rest of what I said does it though??
According to this data, towards the end of the data set at 4th of April, there were approximately 4 thousand deaths in a time frame of 2 weeks, it’s not fair to count the 4K deaths as the annual total because coronavirus had not started spreading fully until later which is why all the deaths are concentrated in a fortnight span.
Now, those deaths are despite lockdown.
If we assume 4K deaths every fortnight, that’s over 100k per year despite lockdown vs 61k for the year for the flu with no lockdown.
If coronavirus’s death rate is potentially double the flu but can achieve this through a lock down, that’s a substantial problem and it is magnitudes worse than the flu.
I’m curious to hear how you spin these numbers. Are you going to just say 61k vs 6k for the year? That’s a very unintelligent way to look at those numbers, there is no point including earlier months with zero deaths when the virus had not properly come to the US yet.
I used your own data and I’m more convinced now that I’m correct.
But flu doesn't kill people equally all through the year, so you can't extrapolate 4K deaths in 2 weeks of April across the whole year, right?
Nah, the flu season is typically the winter months. It's speculated (and there is some evidence) that China flu will also drop off in the warmer weather of the summer months.
It might be that it's as dangerous as the seasonal flu in terms of the % of people who get it dying, but it's just that much more infectious. More people infected, more people die.
Edit: I should also add that I don't believe in a conspiracy to release this virus to get Trump, but they're definitely not going to let a crisis go to waste.
So if it’s way more infectious, that still makes it a much larger problem than the flu. Your answer seems to validate what I’m saying, but I’m massively downvoted because I cited a mass grave example that turns out to be incorrect.
It does, but I think the general feeling here is that a lot of the anti-Trump crowd are hoping for (and trying to push the narrative) that it's more dangerous than it is. Also, the WHO are cunts so this conspiracy feeds into both of those narratives.
While I agree that the WHO are cunts and there are lots of people trying to blame Trump for this, I really think this is just a case of us learning more about the China flu.
And to be honest, a higher infection rate with lower mortality rate is much better the other way around because it puts a much lower ceiling on the total number of deaths and leads to herd immunity earlier so everyone can get back to work sooner.
Having "centrist" in your handle probably doesn't give you much leeway to repeat fake news, but it's only imaginary internet points. Mistakes happen, but you'll always be welcome here if you're on the Trump train.
Anyway, have my upvotes.
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you can argue your point all you want. and you bring up valid points. but the second you started acting like a giant pussy and said i'm going home boohoo someone downvoted me, i stopped giving a fuck about what you had to say.
upvotes and downvotes mean jack shit. people see what you're saying. trolls and shills try to manipulate votes all the time.
for you to rage quit and run away because less than 20 downvoted your comment is the equivalent of a kid throwing down his controller when he loses on Xbox live.
get a grip. say what you want. take your downvotes with pride. as long as you don't break the rules here, your argument still stands.
or go MAGA alone like a faggot. i don't really care.