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GreatNW 0 points ago +2 / -2

Why are you surrendering the word Liberty to the Left? Liberals are not the same as Leftists.

I don't care about Trump's particular choice of words on the subject at any given moment but you're doing yourself a disservice by grouping all of the great American Liberals in history (ya know, like those who founded our glorious Nation) in with modern-day Leftists.

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GreatNW 0 points ago +1 / -1

Conservatives to who? Was The Revolution a liberal move or a conservative one at the time? No, not using present-day politically altered language.

The argument that the founding fathers were not by and large at the time liberal is just completely ignorant of history.