CNN: 80,000 dead from flu in 2017. Dont recall shutting America down
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Deadliest in 40 years, yet no one blinked an eye.
bUt tHis oNe iS diFfeReNt!!
bUt tHEy hAd a VaCcine FOr flU
The fact that there IS a vaccine for flu and it got that bad makes it worse.
Sort of. It's a vaccine for a couple of strains. It's always a crap shoot as to whether the selected strains are the ones that fire up every season.
Or the strains China decides to release that year .....
Blink an eye? I didn't even hear anything about it!
That's not how mortality is calculated though. I watched a video by a Stanford professor of disease conducted by the Hoover Institute.
He said that the current case totals only count for people who tested and had Covid 19 at the time who tested, but not for all the people who HAD Covid 19, were asymptomatic or may have thought it was the flu and recovered on their own.
The only way you get that data is through testing a wide population for antibodies that the immune system creates to fight the virus.
He said that for Flu, the CDC assumes that for each person who tests positive for the Flu, there are 80 out there who had the virus and did not test.
The test for antibodies are occurring right now and he won't have the estimates for the total case volume until later this month. Nobody has this data at the moment. But he says that he thinks the mortality is along the lines of 0.10%.
Questioning Conventional Wisdom in the COVID-19 Crisis, with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0
Either way, the mortality for Corona will only go up. So the flu will still have an average of 10,000 per month, but he Corona could be in excess of 20,000. I think it's important to remember that Trump is doing his best. As more facts come in, we have a clearer picture, but it's difficult to figure this out on the fly.
Well of course it looks worse, but we both know there are far more than 550,000 people that have/had Covid-19 so it's simplistic to say the death rate is 550,000/22,000...it will end up much closer to Flu mortality
There's also more people that have the flu than those who have symptoms. The actual number Corona related deaths do seem to be high, and those numbers are pretty straightforward. So the older crowd should be thankful that we're pushing for the quarantine.
I guarantee you if you're a 78 year old man and you die of a heart attack, it's counted as coronavirus if they test positive, even if the coronavirus played no part in it.
People who are already dying sometimes will get a flu and die, it's very common. It's just that their immune system can't handle it from age. If it's not the flu it'll be something else shortly down the road.
80+ people die from honeybee and wasp stings a year. Lets shut the world down.
"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. " - FEB 22 2018 CNBC
This is what's really bothering me - now that a seeming majority of this country appears to wholeheartedly support shutting down everything, what they hell are we going to do during every damned flu season from here on out?
That's the impression I'm getting. I can't believe people would welcome this.
Brainwashing - constant media echoing the same thing - most people are too weak-willed to overcome that
So true! Big time Brainwashing
this country just set the precedent. Now every year, they can pull this shit on us and lock everything down. Its amazing that the human race has made it this far without these measures!
How in the world did we survive back in the day before lysol wipes, purell, helicopter moms, nanny state Karens, and a MSM hell bent on ensuring we spend every moment of our lives in fear?
It's truly amazing, isn't it?
We're now at risk more than we ever have been precisely because of nanny state Karens. These fools are state-worshipers - and if the 20th century taught us anything at all, it's that democide (committed by out of control states) is the #1 threat to human life.
Nothing could go wrong right? Deep state won't be conducting bigger and more hits whilst everyone is safe intheir homesys right?
People would rather be paid to sit home by the government and do nothing than stop hiding under the bed
Well, not every flu season, just election years when a Republican incumbent is running for re election and has solid job performance and poll numbers.
Im absolutely shocked by the amount of people who dont ever want to come out from hiding under the bed ever again
yep, they took it hook, line and sinker. They bought into it bug time, add that "free" extra 600 a week in UBI, some of these folks are making more money than they did working.
Talking to one person, she was just going on oh how great this is, in that the gov has stepped up. This bitch was making 17 or so an hour, got laid off and now is making 11k more a year. I told her this can't last forever, she is like we have to do this its saving lives. She believes that extra 600 is going to until its safe to go back.
But this is what these fools believe, that we can print money and nothing will change. we have to get back to working soon or shit is going to collapse.
But why can't we all just stay at home for the rest of our lives, live in our pajamas, and eat mac and cheese while we get paid to do so!? BIGOT!
We've become a nation of shut-ins. Even level-headed people I know are now parroting the "we can't open anything up until there's a vaccine" line, and questioning my family because we haven't cancelled overseas and domestic vacations we have planned for this Summer. It's really sad to see this happen so quickly.
People have be known to willingly give up their infinite freedoms for a few fleeting moments of feeling safe
That's the worry. The MSM will be in full fucking force every winter waiting for the first case of flu and screaming that the Chinese flu has returned.
The good thing is. They themselves would never survive multiple shutdowns. As they mostly live off ad revenue. The "Dinsey like" companies will have no money left. Which means downsizing. Which means no more money for CNN.
People support atm because they have money now. The government is willing to support them now. In most cases.
People aren't going to have money in 5 months time. Support for closing everything down has a time limit. I would say the limit is mid to late June.
Orange man is bad. He killed the economy.
Funny thing is, if you compare the "flu-like symptom" numbers reported to the CDC for this most recent flu season to the 2017-2018 season, we were much higher during 2019-2020. The Chinese virus has already come through the country months ago
There's something to this. It will be interesting to see how many Americans have the antibodies already once widespread testing takes place
This. I had a nasty respiratory infection in mid-Janruary. It took longer to recover than my flu's in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised that it was COVID.
No we weren't. 2018 was worse.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-mortality-report.png
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/pneumonia-influenza.png
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
Did I mention anything about deaths? I'm talking about influenza-like-illness reported to the CDC https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/fluportaldashboard.html
Had easter dinner with my parents and family. In California. Fuck the lockdown.
So did we, drove up from New Orleans to my future wife's family in Mississippi and spent time with her family during the holiday weekend. Had some vacation saved up for this "coronavacation" so it's been nice to spend time with family. It's nice to be financially secure but I can not wait to get back to work and kill it. I'm predicting when the gates coming down there will be a flood of people wanting to get out and will roll in the dough.
If we open up the economy again they will claim we need to shutdown again for the entire Flu season. Basically we will have 2 months in the summer to prepare for 10 months of living at home.
There would be no point in getting a job in this case, unless you can work form home(most can't)...maybe that's the goal ---> UBI?
Let the normies stay at home. Only ones left on the streets will be Patriots & deep staters
MaYBe wE sHoULd hAvE
You mock but that is what they will be saying come Fall. Everyone will need to self-isolate for 9 months of the year.
United States, now open during Water Park season
Bill Gates: We need more deaths so I can roll out the cure.
All those RFID chips sitting in his basement looking for a host...
They ain't gonna track themselves.
MY QUESTION: is this RFID chip gonna have the ability to give me/take away an erection or turn me into an impulsive consumer worse than I already am?!
We now have two huge groups of people, those that are quarantined at home for the last 3 weeks and those that have continued to work. Can't we find out what the percentage is of new China flu cases coming from each of these groups? If they are not statistically different, then we should all be able to go back to work, right?
And if I recall correctly, the CDC revised their numbers to say say there'll be about 60,000 deaths.
so even with misreporting, Covid is still less deadly than the flu?
Shocking.
every 'death" is being reported as covid 19. I dont trust those numbers at all.
But aren't most flu deaths concentrated during flu season? Not a steady rate all year round?
next year, they will certainly try to shut allcivil rights down for the regular flu
What's a right, anyway?
This whole situation is forcing the question.
Is the internet a right? Having kids? A Wife? Water? Food? Ammo? Punching someone in the face? Letting someone with a badge follow orders from someone you don't like to punch You in the face?
I don't even have the American Constitution to point to. My best hope is pointing to the Magna Carta... sigh..
"No Free Man shall be arrested or imprisoned, or banished or exiled, or deprived of his possessions, nor shall any take or order action against him except by lawful judgement of his equals.."
December 2019 had TWICE the normal amount of people seeking treatment for Flu like symptoms. HOWEVER the numbers of LAB CONFIRMED Influenza cases remained consistent with prior years.
40k People could have had Coronavirus in November/December, and we didn't even know about it. That's how much of a hoax this whole thing is.
I heard one theory that covid 19 has been around much longer than we think, and that the reason so many people are carriers but asymptomatic and that younger people aren't as affected is because they've already been exposed to it the last 2 flu seasons.
Again, just a theory. Definitely shouldn't take covid lightly, but we have to acknowledge we cant bury our heads in the sand forever
I swear my mom and her entier office had this back around Christmas. Everyone had flu like symptoms for about 2 weeks, was quickly passed around the office, a few ended up with pneumonia and walking-pneumonia. No one tested positive for the flu.
Can we just put articles like this up on Billboards nationwide and let CNN either agree this is hyperbole, or debate their OWN past articles?
Either way we win.
It's akin to the Trump Campaign ads that just had Democrats talking from a few years ago.
Bc the flu is being treated as irrelevant, remember?
"A review of 206 published infectious outbreaks in elderly care facilities across 19 countries over 40 years identified 37 different pathogens, but influenza viruses caused the largest number of outbreaks (23%).17 In the 49 outbreaks caused by influenza, the median attack rate in residents was 33% (range 4‐94%), and 23% (range 3‐58%) among staff, with a median case‐fatality rate for residents of 6.5% (range 0‐55%)." link
Source for 30 people from one facility being wiped out in two weeks?
Edit/ assume you are talking about Life Care Center of Kirkland: 1st two deaths on Feb 26th. By March 18th 35 deaths linked to the center (34 residents). all in all, 101 out of 120 residents diagnosed and 34 died (33.7%).
yes this virus hits elderly bad, hence why centers like those have huge numbers, but I can remember "no visitors" a few years back when my Grandpa was in one. These people will die regardless, thats why most are there, its not hospice, but usually the last step or close to it.
Me neither, but what does that have to do with it?
Yes. It's one elderly care facility. Now if this was happening across all of them then maybe there would be something to go nuts about.
This thread looks familiar.... remember when you guys were saying it was only 59 and now its 24,000?
https://thedonald.win/p/FMA3SCzg/59-deaths--fifty-fucking-nine/
We have to re-open, but it doesn't mean this virus is a nothingburger. Only 2% of americans have been infected so far. There will be 800,000 deaths in america from this.
I don’t believe the 2% number. We haven’t tested enough, and the people we are testing are the ones who are showing severe symptoms.
I think we have overreacted here, even if it is a full 3% death rate. The elites want the people without jobs and dependent on the govt for everything, so of course everyone is going to shut down the economy. There could have been a more nuanced approach, if everyone was sane and not in the pocket of elites.
Maybe because that's annual deaths after 100 years of vaccinations and this has more deaths than that in less than 4 months?
80,000 dead when there is a vaccine and therapies is not a good number pal
I mean, your wrong about the basic premise here if you think immunity to flu carries over from year to year
Immunity doesn't carry over but predictable vaccines curb much of the impact.
Most flu seasons are a four-month peak. November to February.
Cut it whatever way you want but that's a lot of people over four months. Could be looking at it just topping 80000. Which if it over four months. It will be the same as the flu.
Remember the deaths are still from before measures were put into place. We won't be seeing post measures deaths for a few weeks. Some deaths are fast and some take weeks to die.
Also, flu vaccines are only given to the vulnerable. Many people just don't bother with it.
Except flu is asymptomatic infectious for 1-4 days whereas COVID is two weeks or more. The R0 score is twice as high and the hospitalization rate is 10x over the flu. The mortality rate is 15x to 40x higher than the flu. And there are treatments and vaccines for flu that don't exist for COVID.
But yeah, other than all of that, which is pretty much everything, it's the same as the flu.