I’m not getting it if it’s mandated. I’m still pretty iffy about getting it in the current climate of fear and hysteria and bullshit. I’m not an anti vaccer, but this has all been made up nonsense anyway, and you have people like Gates pushing for it that want to brand you and tag you alongside of it. His vaccines have a horrible track record. Anything he touches, I’m weary of.
If it was that easy to just create a vaccine for viruses then why aren’t we immune to the common cold and all forms of the flu?
The answer is either that it isn’t that easy to create a successful vaccine for viruses and were being lied to, or it is that easy to create a successful vaccine for viruses and no one has done it for the most common viruses that affect billions of people worldwide every year because they make more selling cold medicine, so we’re being lied to.
They can get the vaccine and let others do as they please, they are now safe.
If you are immunocompromised or can't get the vaccine because of other reasons and are afraid of the Shangai Shivers you should be extra careful, like you are supposed to be anyway, aren't you "immunocompromised", that doesn't only affect people when it comes to Corona, you are compromised against everything, be it the flu or the kung-flu
Every year there are new strains of flu and the vaccine is updated
Is the vaccine effective?
Well there are always new strains
How is this different to our current predicament? This is a new strain of something, a vaccine will be made, like for other strains of other things, you will decide like you do for all the other strains of things
Very unlikely this vaccine will be safe (and I am NOT anti-vaccine). My family will not be going near it. Our kids' pediatrician (who is also pro-vaccine) says she will not give it to any children.
No not crazy yet...depends on how long this lockdown lasts;) but....I have already done my research and made my own decision best for my child. I believe everyone should have the right to choose for their own children and themselves.
Even if you are lucky enough to argue your case and win, unlike other courts it DOES NOT set precedence.
So if you prove it caused anaphylaxis and killed your child, the next person whose child died from anaphylaxis cannot use your case as evidence in their own.
If there are 1,000 of the exact same injury caused by vaccines, the evidence cannot be compiled together in court.
I've seen lefties get incredibly triggered over this. When they read "something something anti-vaxxer something something" they explode into "HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE THEY!!!! IT IS NOT THEIR CHOICE because it affects everyone around them!!! They can even get vaccinated people sick!!!!!!"
The absolute insanity of people who hear someone doesn’t want to vaccinate themselves is proof enough that the brainwashing/Fake News campaign has been an incredible success.
People react like Pavlov’s dog when they hear it, just like Bill Gates wants them to.
If they try to put a microchip or some other BS in it, I'm sure as hell not getting it. I won't be getting the mark of the beast for some hysteria-fueled crisis.
A friend of mine became hysterical on the phone, he told me whoever doesn't get it should be killed, he was throwing a fit
I calmly told him: if you get the vaccine won't you be immune? Why would you need others to be immune? Let the virus do the "killing"
He fell silent, I said 'well?"
He responded: I guess you are right, that's how vaccines work
I responded: Do you see how easily you would become a monster through irrational fear?
"I didn't think" blah blah - it was especially funny because the whole convo started with him accusing me that I am fake news when I told him that NY had requested tens of thousands of ventilators which they didn't need - it was extra hilarious because after the call Cuomo came out on video and said they were in a stockpile because we don't need them 'right now' - which I sent him
Hmmm....Universal reception of the vaccine (except, of course, in certain medically necessary instances) as a trade for the universal shutdown of abortion (except, of course, in certain medically necessary instances)? A fun idea to throw at your Lefties in your life's circle.
They would never go for it. Abortion has the position as a sacrament of religion to the Left now.
Yeah, the government has a pretty shitty track record on "mandatory vaccinations".
They tried this shit with us in Bosnia starting in '96 for "tick-borne encephalitis", six months into our year-long deployment.
Problem was that under U.S. law that particular vaccination was considered experimental and since all of us were carrying loaded M16s and M9s at the time and hadn't had a drink or pussy in 6 months they suddenly decided it was voluntary.
Almost no one got the vaccination and not one single case of a U.S. service member contracting tick-borne encephalitis in the Balkans has ever been recorded to date.
umm, just pointing out, there is no vaccine for SARS which is a coronavirus. There's no vaccine for malaria either. The point being, some viruses don't have vaccines because the body can't generate enough antibodies for a vaccine to work. Given the reinfection rate in South Korea, it's entirely possible that the immunity to COVID 19 doesn't last more than a month after someone recovers from it. There are people who have recovered that don't seem to have any antibodies in their blood.
The same liberal will insist that EVERYONE get the Coronavirus Vaccine, but also claim that Measels Vaccine causes autism. Most people SHOULD get vaccinated, its the smart thing to do for 85-90% of people. But, this is America, it's your choice whether or not you want to have protection against he Wuhan Weeze. I have bad asthma, I'll be getting my Bat-Shots so that I don't end up drowned in Chinese Virus, but if you don't want to, hey, whatever friend, your life, your freedom, your call.
Do you think it’s possible for people to have legitimate concerns about vaccine safety, or is everyone who doesn’t want mandated shots an “antivaxxer”?
That label is just a way to shut down conversations before they begin.
There is a 100 mile difference between the position, "I'm worried about giving an infant 57 vaccines at once and would like to see more indepth studies on the efficacy on this." and "VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM AND CONTAIN TRACKING CHIPS!"
The rejection of common childhood vaccines is the reason that Measles is making a comeback. Science is asking Questions and Searching for their answers. Asking if vaccines work and Asking if injecting an infant with a bunch of them at once is simply the pursuit of science. Coming up with whackjob conspiracy theories about chemtrails and whatever else the NYC Liberals believe are in Vaccines is just dangerous nutjobbery.
Your comment reminds me of “republicans are evil racists and just want to control women’s bodies”. Take a stereotype and lump everyone into that group.
The last few measles outbreaks happened in fully vaccinated populations. The measles vaccine can cause brain damage, according to its own insert.
Nobody said anything about Chem trails, and it’s weird these two things are so closely intertwined in your mind.
There is a difference between wanting better safety studies and “AUTISM AND TRACKING CHIPS” but the fact that you went off on this tangent sort of proves my point. Mention “antivaxxing” and people shut down instead of listening to valid concerns.
I defined two bounds of a position. On one side, was a sensible argument, on the other was a wild conspiracy theory. As I said, 100 miles inbetween. The fact that you latched onto only pieces of what I said, instead of reading and processing the entire post suggests that you are reacting emotionally instead of logically processing what I said. Stop Reeeeeeee-ing, take a breath, take another one, step outside of your safe space, and try reading again. And I don't mean moving from one word to the next until one triggers you, I mean putting them together into sentences with meaning and processing everything. Then think, then maybe respond.
You’re starting with faulty assumptions. “Antivaxxer” is a label used to shut down discussion. Those “crazy autism chemtrail conspiracy theorists” are so few, they might as not even exist.
The legitimate criticism of faulty vaccine science IS what they call the “antivaxxer” movement. And your knee jerk reaction thinking there are these crazy people out there just proves it’s working.
And that's fair, no industry should get blind obedience. That said, vaccines have a great track record of keeping down child mortality. To blindly say the vaccine shouldn't be taken when it hasn't even been released yet - meaning someone can't even say what it is they would never take - is pure insanity.
And what will inevitably happen is someone who refused the vaccine will get Corona and an acquaintance of theirs will die from the transmission of the virus. That last statement has nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccine, it's just a series of event that will occur. And anti-vaxers will get an even worse reputation, if that's even possible at this point.
Regardless, I can almost guarantee no school in America will allow a child to attend without the vaccine being on their national registry or a note from a doctor saying they are medically unable to take the vaccine. People just aren't going to tolerate it.
Have you? Real talk. Because as I've said before, I am perfectly willing to accept questions about the need to multi-vaccinate in such a short window of time. I am perfectly willing to support more study of the current trend of putting a ton of vaccines into an infant at once, and whether or not spreading them out would be safer. I'm not willing to entertain conspiracy non-sense over whether vaccines are an Illuminati-derived mind-control serums. Polio was eradicated by mass vaccination, Jesus didn't fart and knock it out. Now, just because some of these horrific diseases were eradicated by vaccines doesn't mean that we should blindly trust all vaccines, Science is Questioning and Searching for answers. But to blindly deny that vaccines have had a massively positive effect on society is honestly Bernie-Bro level cognitive dissonance.
Again, have you researched vaccines? A attacking me for some perceived idea of what I believe is not giving your argument any credibility.
After you do some real research, then come back and we'll have an adult conversation. Start with the vaccine injury fund. Why do we have a fund that has paid out over a billion for "safe vaccines"? Why cant the pharm companies be sued if you have a vaccine injury? Who gave them immunity and why?
FYI, my concerns are not about illuminatti whatever. It started after I had worked in the ER for 20 years and every SIDS case I worked had been vaccinated within 72 hours...every single one.
Considering they are able to provide every other drug with no similar restrictions tells me it’s not necessary.
Blanket immunity (ha) from lawsuits only leads to worse products.
I don’t know why big pharma gets a pass on mandatory medication. You know all those class actions you see for their other products maiming and killing people? Why do you think this group of medication is any different?
I was referring to why there’s the mentality that this one group of drugs is off limits for criticism.
The answer is propaganda.
Also, did you know that in exchange for this immunity, they were supposed to have a council file annual reports on safety improvements? They never did. For thirty or so years.
No proof of quality control or safety improvements for over 30 years.
Why were there so many lawsuits? Because people were being harmed by vaccines.
At least you can admit that much. Its a good first step.
As of 2020 the NVCIP has paid out over 4 billion in damages due to injury. Pharm companies have lost some big lawsuits (GSK lost a 3 billion suit) but it was mostly because of fraud, not injury. The vaccine injury fund payouts are all for injury.
Billions in injury payouts yet manufactures cannot be held accountable and therefore have no incentive to make safer vaccines. If they made safe vaccines that were properly tested the lawsuits would be at a minimum.
One good example of a bad vaccine that needs more safety testing is gardasil.
Are you aware of the problems with gardisil? They admit that it can cause Guillian Barre syndrome, paralysis, motor neuron disease, autoimmune disorders including T1 diabetes, celiac disease, MS, RA, Lupus and many more ( which are listed as common side effects). Yet they claim it is safe, and since they cant be sued, they will continue pushing it.
If you're going to be a big pharma cheerleader or employee, you should at least do basic research so you'll know what you're promoting. Gardisil is a good place to start.
One more thing to think about...if you think a baby can tolerate 8 different antigens at one time asaulting its immature immune system, why are you so concerned over it being able to handle 1 of those diseases like chicken pox later in life when it has a stronger immune system?
Not a guy. A female PA with 20 years ER experience .
A simple google search for Gardisil side effects will prove my "BS" . Pharm companies dont list side effects unless theres solid proof because it hurts their business. Think.
In closing of our conversation, I want to leave you with one last thought...Are you aware that the CDC owns over 50 vaccine patents and makes money every time one of those vaccines are given? Are you aware that the FDA owns part of the Gardisil patent and people working within the department that worked on making the vaccine gets royalties from it? Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Everyone should do thier own research instead of blindly believing an industry that has been caught lying about thier products and who make billiions off vaccines.
TRIGGERING INTENSIFIED
One choice is essential the other is just being a shitty person.
I’m not getting it if it’s mandated. I’m still pretty iffy about getting it in the current climate of fear and hysteria and bullshit. I’m not an anti vaccer, but this has all been made up nonsense anyway, and you have people like Gates pushing for it that want to brand you and tag you alongside of it. His vaccines have a horrible track record. Anything he touches, I’m weary of.
I've never had a flu shot in my life and I'm not starting now.
Amen!
If it was that easy to just create a vaccine for viruses then why aren’t we immune to the common cold and all forms of the flu?
The answer is either that it isn’t that easy to create a successful vaccine for viruses and were being lied to, or it is that easy to create a successful vaccine for viruses and no one has done it for the most common viruses that affect billions of people worldwide every year because they make more selling cold medicine, so we’re being lied to.
The people that insist they want it, can get it.
They can get the vaccine and let others do as they please, they are now safe.
If you are immunocompromised or can't get the vaccine because of other reasons and are afraid of the Shangai Shivers you should be extra careful, like you are supposed to be anyway, aren't you "immunocompromised", that doesn't only affect people when it comes to Corona, you are compromised against everything, be it the flu or the kung-flu
tHiS iS A sPeCiAL cAsE
Funny how Democrats only support bodily autonomy when it comes to killing defenseless babies.
Nice
Let's get you out on a tray.
If anyone tries to give me a vaccine I’m going to Shove it in there fucking neck.
Very unlikely this vaccine will be safe (and I am NOT anti-vaccine). My family will not be going near it. Our kids' pediatrician (who is also pro-vaccine) says she will not give it to any children.
Ask yourself why there is a special court outside our normal judicial system that was specifically created to handle vaccine damage cases.
I thought you were crazy, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
No not crazy yet...depends on how long this lockdown lasts;) but....I have already done my research and made my own decision best for my child. I believe everyone should have the right to choose for their own children and themselves.
Even if you are lucky enough to argue your case and win, unlike other courts it DOES NOT set precedence.
So if you prove it caused anaphylaxis and killed your child, the next person whose child died from anaphylaxis cannot use your case as evidence in their own.
If there are 1,000 of the exact same injury caused by vaccines, the evidence cannot be compiled together in court.
WTF?
And: why are there never saline placebos in the studies/trials?
I've seen lefties get incredibly triggered over this. When they read "something something anti-vaxxer something something" they explode into "HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE THEY!!!! IT IS NOT THEIR CHOICE because it affects everyone around them!!! They can even get vaccinated people sick!!!!!!"
Not much of a vaccination then, is it?
"YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND VACCINATIONS REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"
The absolute insanity of people who hear someone doesn’t want to vaccinate themselves is proof enough that the brainwashing/Fake News campaign has been an incredible success. People react like Pavlov’s dog when they hear it, just like Bill Gates wants them to.
If they try to put a microchip or some other BS in it, I'm sure as hell not getting it. I won't be getting the mark of the beast for some hysteria-fueled crisis.
REEE 9000!
Not a chance. Offer it and I might. Compel and I resist.
Hey....they can get their federal voter id while they are getting the vaccine :-)
A friend of mine became hysterical on the phone, he told me whoever doesn't get it should be killed, he was throwing a fit
I calmly told him: if you get the vaccine won't you be immune? Why would you need others to be immune? Let the virus do the "killing"
He fell silent, I said 'well?"
He responded: I guess you are right, that's how vaccines work
I responded: Do you see how easily you would become a monster through irrational fear?
"I didn't think" blah blah - it was especially funny because the whole convo started with him accusing me that I am fake news when I told him that NY had requested tens of thousands of ventilators which they didn't need - it was extra hilarious because after the call Cuomo came out on video and said they were in a stockpile because we don't need them 'right now' - which I sent him
It won't come out. Not for years, if ever.
Hmmm....Universal reception of the vaccine (except, of course, in certain medically necessary instances) as a trade for the universal shutdown of abortion (except, of course, in certain medically necessary instances)? A fun idea to throw at your Lefties in your life's circle.
They would never go for it. Abortion has the position as a sacrament of religion to the Left now.
No, I’d rather trade the other way around. I will not sacrifice personal freedom just to stop abortion.
If the vaccine is safe I will get it but not until it is proven safe.
Yeah, the government has a pretty shitty track record on "mandatory vaccinations".
They tried this shit with us in Bosnia starting in '96 for "tick-borne encephalitis", six months into our year-long deployment.
Problem was that under U.S. law that particular vaccination was considered experimental and since all of us were carrying loaded M16s and M9s at the time and hadn't had a drink or pussy in 6 months they suddenly decided it was voluntary.
Almost no one got the vaccination and not one single case of a U.S. service member contracting tick-borne encephalitis in the Balkans has ever been recorded to date.
umm, just pointing out, there is no vaccine for SARS which is a coronavirus. There's no vaccine for malaria either. The point being, some viruses don't have vaccines because the body can't generate enough antibodies for a vaccine to work. Given the reinfection rate in South Korea, it's entirely possible that the immunity to COVID 19 doesn't last more than a month after someone recovers from it. There are people who have recovered that don't seem to have any antibodies in their blood.
VERY NICE!!!
oof spicy
The same liberal will insist that EVERYONE get the Coronavirus Vaccine, but also claim that Measels Vaccine causes autism. Most people SHOULD get vaccinated, its the smart thing to do for 85-90% of people. But, this is America, it's your choice whether or not you want to have protection against he Wuhan Weeze. I have bad asthma, I'll be getting my Bat-Shots so that I don't end up drowned in Chinese Virus, but if you don't want to, hey, whatever friend, your life, your freedom, your call.
Vaccines for similar viruses haven’t worked. SARS vaccine killed people in trials.
This one is being fast tracked through already limited safety studies and rushed to market.
Vaccine makers are not liable for injuries.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Joking aside, please don't become an anti-vaxxer nutbag. If those idiots were in charge our children would still be getting Polio and Smallpox.
Do you think it’s possible for people to have legitimate concerns about vaccine safety, or is everyone who doesn’t want mandated shots an “antivaxxer”?
That label is just a way to shut down conversations before they begin.
Yep, real journalist Sharyl Attkisson has done a TON of work on this if curious:
https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/04/resource-links-to-vaccine-and-medical-stories/
There is a 100 mile difference between the position, "I'm worried about giving an infant 57 vaccines at once and would like to see more indepth studies on the efficacy on this." and "VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM AND CONTAIN TRACKING CHIPS!"
The rejection of common childhood vaccines is the reason that Measles is making a comeback. Science is asking Questions and Searching for their answers. Asking if vaccines work and Asking if injecting an infant with a bunch of them at once is simply the pursuit of science. Coming up with whackjob conspiracy theories about chemtrails and whatever else the NYC Liberals believe are in Vaccines is just dangerous nutjobbery.
Oh wow. There’s a bunch of assumptions there.
Your comment reminds me of “republicans are evil racists and just want to control women’s bodies”. Take a stereotype and lump everyone into that group.
The last few measles outbreaks happened in fully vaccinated populations. The measles vaccine can cause brain damage, according to its own insert.
Nobody said anything about Chem trails, and it’s weird these two things are so closely intertwined in your mind.
There is a difference between wanting better safety studies and “AUTISM AND TRACKING CHIPS” but the fact that you went off on this tangent sort of proves my point. Mention “antivaxxing” and people shut down instead of listening to valid concerns.
I defined two bounds of a position. On one side, was a sensible argument, on the other was a wild conspiracy theory. As I said, 100 miles inbetween. The fact that you latched onto only pieces of what I said, instead of reading and processing the entire post suggests that you are reacting emotionally instead of logically processing what I said. Stop Reeeeeeee-ing, take a breath, take another one, step outside of your safe space, and try reading again. And I don't mean moving from one word to the next until one triggers you, I mean putting them together into sentences with meaning and processing everything. Then think, then maybe respond.
Maybe your argument isn’t as clear as you think.
You’re starting with faulty assumptions. “Antivaxxer” is a label used to shut down discussion. Those “crazy autism chemtrail conspiracy theorists” are so few, they might as not even exist.
The legitimate criticism of faulty vaccine science IS what they call the “antivaxxer” movement. And your knee jerk reaction thinking there are these crazy people out there just proves it’s working.
Successful elimination of polio and smallpox in the pass should not give them a permanent pass.
Look at the number of vaccines babies are given now compared to back then, and in a much shorter period of time.
And that's fair, no industry should get blind obedience. That said, vaccines have a great track record of keeping down child mortality. To blindly say the vaccine shouldn't be taken when it hasn't even been released yet - meaning someone can't even say what it is they would never take - is pure insanity.
And what will inevitably happen is someone who refused the vaccine will get Corona and an acquaintance of theirs will die from the transmission of the virus. That last statement has nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccine, it's just a series of event that will occur. And anti-vaxers will get an even worse reputation, if that's even possible at this point.
Regardless, I can almost guarantee no school in America will allow a child to attend without the vaccine being on their national registry or a note from a doctor saying they are medically unable to take the vaccine. People just aren't going to tolerate it.
I have a feeling you're one of those people who wouldn't tolerate it
Douche
Have you done any research on the vaccine industry or are you just another big pharma cheerleader?
Does this count?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/reported-paralytic-polio-cases-and-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1910
Have you? Real talk. Because as I've said before, I am perfectly willing to accept questions about the need to multi-vaccinate in such a short window of time. I am perfectly willing to support more study of the current trend of putting a ton of vaccines into an infant at once, and whether or not spreading them out would be safer. I'm not willing to entertain conspiracy non-sense over whether vaccines are an Illuminati-derived mind-control serums. Polio was eradicated by mass vaccination, Jesus didn't fart and knock it out. Now, just because some of these horrific diseases were eradicated by vaccines doesn't mean that we should blindly trust all vaccines, Science is Questioning and Searching for answers. But to blindly deny that vaccines have had a massively positive effect on society is honestly Bernie-Bro level cognitive dissonance.
Again, have you researched vaccines? A attacking me for some perceived idea of what I believe is not giving your argument any credibility.
After you do some real research, then come back and we'll have an adult conversation. Start with the vaccine injury fund. Why do we have a fund that has paid out over a billion for "safe vaccines"? Why cant the pharm companies be sued if you have a vaccine injury? Who gave them immunity and why?
FYI, my concerns are not about illuminatti whatever. It started after I had worked in the ER for 20 years and every SIDS case I worked had been vaccinated within 72 hours...every single one.
Considering they are able to provide every other drug with no similar restrictions tells me it’s not necessary.
Blanket immunity (ha) from lawsuits only leads to worse products.
I don’t know why big pharma gets a pass on mandatory medication. You know all those class actions you see for their other products maiming and killing people? Why do you think this group of medication is any different?
I was referring to why there’s the mentality that this one group of drugs is off limits for criticism.
The answer is propaganda.
Also, did you know that in exchange for this immunity, they were supposed to have a council file annual reports on safety improvements? They never did. For thirty or so years.
No proof of quality control or safety improvements for over 30 years.
Copy paste, now thats original thought...
Why were there so many lawsuits? Because people were being harmed by vaccines. At least you can admit that much. Its a good first step.
As of 2020 the NVCIP has paid out over 4 billion in damages due to injury. Pharm companies have lost some big lawsuits (GSK lost a 3 billion suit) but it was mostly because of fraud, not injury. The vaccine injury fund payouts are all for injury.
Billions in injury payouts yet manufactures cannot be held accountable and therefore have no incentive to make safer vaccines. If they made safe vaccines that were properly tested the lawsuits would be at a minimum.
One good example of a bad vaccine that needs more safety testing is gardasil. Are you aware of the problems with gardisil? They admit that it can cause Guillian Barre syndrome, paralysis, motor neuron disease, autoimmune disorders including T1 diabetes, celiac disease, MS, RA, Lupus and many more ( which are listed as common side effects). Yet they claim it is safe, and since they cant be sued, they will continue pushing it.
If you're going to be a big pharma cheerleader or employee, you should at least do basic research so you'll know what you're promoting. Gardisil is a good place to start.
One more thing to think about...if you think a baby can tolerate 8 different antigens at one time asaulting its immature immune system, why are you so concerned over it being able to handle 1 of those diseases like chicken pox later in life when it has a stronger immune system?
Not a guy. A female PA with 20 years ER experience .
A simple google search for Gardisil side effects will prove my "BS" . Pharm companies dont list side effects unless theres solid proof because it hurts their business. Think.
In closing of our conversation, I want to leave you with one last thought...Are you aware that the CDC owns over 50 vaccine patents and makes money every time one of those vaccines are given? Are you aware that the FDA owns part of the Gardisil patent and people working within the department that worked on making the vaccine gets royalties from it? Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Everyone should do thier own research instead of blindly believing an industry that has been caught lying about thier products and who make billiions off vaccines.
Over and out.
It will be the law to take it anyway. Its why he is getting involved as he will make billions and billions on top of the billions he already has.
You will probably go on a list that prevents you from getting a job. Shit like that.
Flu jabs will probably become law to take aswell.
I don't think that's even remotely possible.