It depends on how much of a hardline conservative you are.
Especially when you talk about police states being imposed. You have to remember there is an army of online morons (on both sides) asking for even harder measures. Mass arrests and all that good stuff.
Far left and far right are in the same ballpark when you are talking about policing in the extreme.
An example would be the reporter asking Trump why arent ALL shops closed. Some hardline conservatives would be for that.
Far right would be anarchists who want 0 government but the average American doesn’t actually understand the political spectrum. Someone actually on the Far Right would want 0 policing and 0 government.
Conservative should mean "Conserving the status quo" or "Restrained policy with the most limited changes if shown to be necessary" which we certainly don't want to do anymore.
And Liberal is supposed to mean "pro liberty and freedom", which isn't actually an opposite to conservatism in anyway, and does not in any way describe the 'left' of today. Even the 'left' understood this at one point creating the term "Progressives," which from their point of view means "Change everything for the sake of changing it" or "Leave nothing as it was."
It's so messed up at this point we need to burn it all down and start over.
That's why I consider myself a Fundamentalist. I believe in the Biblical principles the Constitution was founded on, and would like to change America back to the way it was a century ago. I will become a "conservative" if that is ever achieved.
Left/Right in the US is not the same as it is for Euros, and the idea that WWII Germany's version of Socialism is somehow on the Right is just a lie created from communists that have taken over our higher education institutions. This short video is excellent at explaining what I mean:
I doubt that 35% of republicans are anarchists.There's an aspect of fear in this whole thing. Even Republicans are buying into the fear mongering to the point that they're willing to buy into a "temporary" police state.
It’s not about Republicans/Democrats. The notion is that the far right of the political spectrum is anarchy. The far left is totalitarianism. All you did is prove my point by conflating the too. Just another failing of our education system. If I didn’t take AP US history and took gen pop US history in HS I wouldn’t have gotten this lesson. Hell, I even majored in Poli Sci in college and didn’t get this lesson. Think about that, in K-Bachelor’s Degree schooling I had one teacher, in an advanced placement course, who was able to convey this point. No wonder the average American doesn’t understand it.
The textbook definition of the political spectrum has anarchy on the right and totalitarianism on the left. One group bastardizing the term does not change the meaning.
Textbook you say? perhaps by some liberal Leftist professor...
you are correct ...your group bastardizing the meaning does not actually change the definition. Conservatives are those pesky people who will not choose an extremist/unrealistic POV, but instead choose to exist in a state of reasonable balance where we know we need a government for some things but we also know we can't trust them.
Leftist by NATURE.are a non-linear coalition of disparate nonsense ideals that do not function (i.e. Communism, Socialism, Anarchy, Trans-, Islam, etc.) clustering together for support against a successful majority. This is for the most part de facto the case since as soon as that successful majority is overthrown by one of the nonsense groups, the whole thing collapses and eventually ceases to exist (vis-a-vis Venezuela).
And, by the way, one of the ear-marks of a Leftist/nonsense person or ideal is the delusion of theory over reality even to the point of self-destruction. For example, claiming Islamaphobia in the face of Islamic pedophile rape-gangs, or globalism and open borders despite Coronavirus and Chinese domination, or even say, a linear spectrum theory of politics in spite of clear evidence to the contrary and no evidence in support.
EDIT: I don't think you are a liberal or Democrat shill honestly. I do think you may have been exposed to a lot of their group think and maybe influenced some by it.
Defining who we are with a negative slant or spin is a standard Leftist tactic; e.g. citizen wants border protection and resents illegal immigrants taking jobs; he is concerned about his own prosperity and well-being and that of his friends and family. Leftist comes along ambushes him in the act of expressing that negativity and asserts that "Denying <Race X>[Mexican, Chinese, Arab, etc..] the same opportunity for a good life that you have is racist! So you are a racist!". Citizen is caught off guard and blindsided, even made to feel bad and question his own actions.
Truth: there is nothing wrong or bad about putting yourself and family first; or you friends, or your neighbors, or your city, or your state, or your country; it is quite sensible, Just, and even fair. It is unnatural, unfair, and unJust to expect you to pay for, provide for, enrich, support, or care for strangers (people you have no obligation to). But now because of deceitful practices and manipulation by Leftists you have a good person questioning themselves and what is right.
There is a clear line between helping yourself and harming others. This is why MAGA is not racist or bad in any way. Leftists are always trying to blur this line in any way they can; like grouping us with people we have no association with. Such as taking supporters of Constitutional Rights, Limited Government, and Individual Freedom and extrapolating that to a non-sense degree that becomes bad (otherwise known as Straw-Man Propaganda); such as, 1st Amendment (religion and speech) to bigotry and racism, 2nd Amendment (arms, empowerment,self-defense) to violent sedition, anarchy, and crime, Limited Government to No Government, Individual Freedom to Social Chaos.
Conservatives and Conservatism has no connection to Anarchy, Sedition, or Crime; never has. So why let them put that on you? Every Anarchist I have ever known is Left-leaning. It was the Southern Democrats that supported slavery and tried to secede over it. The "alt-right", neo-nazis, white-supremacists all align with the KKK and its Democrat roots. So what if the Left has reached a point where they no longer want the KKK in their coalition of malcontents! How exactly does that automatically mean they join us? or that we have to take them on the Right? We don't want them! We have never wanted them! We have nothing ideologically in common with them.
If you walk-the-walk, then talk-the-talk; don't be an advertisement for the Leftist POV and don't blame others when they bamboozle you into one of their re-definition schemes.
It's not postulating, it's what is. Authoritarian and socially conservative is theocracy. Again, everybody using the line segment model is using it from a different perspective. Some see it as freedom on the left and authoritarian on the right, some see it opposite. Some see it for a fiscal perspective. It's a pathetically inadequate model.
The square model makes it clear. You need to realize when you say "the left", you are speaking of authoritarian philosophy, but when " liberals" say "the right", they also are speaking of authoritarianism via religion. The extremes of both sides of that line IS authoritarian if you combine the perspectives.
Wrong again. Even in a square, theocracy is to the left.
Squares have left and right sides. Total control is to the left. Total freedom is to the right.
And the square, I would posit, actually doesn't make sense. It merges two different topics and tries to put them on the same graph. When in reality 2 separated but parallel lines would make more sense. Add a line for every new subject.
Especially when you talk about police states being imposed. You have to remember there is an army of online morons (on both sides) asking for even harder measures. Mass arrests and all that good stuff.
I honestly think this right here has become the dividing line in the USA (and to a lesser extent, the rest of the developed world):
One group believes we need to cede all our freedoms and responsibilities so big daddy government can come in and save us from ourselves, while the other group believes we the people are the ones who are ultimately responsible for ourselves and our society at large.
The second tenet of Meliorism is a belief in the natural goodness of man, corrupted by society. This emanates from the work and thought of Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Rousseau transferred the struggle for good and evil from within the breast of the individual to society. Evil comes from society, and therefore, by fixing society — tinkering with society's traditions, customs, language, laws, and norms — we can eradicate evil. This social engineering will restore the natural goodness and natural equity of the world initially corrupted by society.
The conservative's counter-argument to these tenets and to Meliorism in general is what I've called "The Tragic Nature" of the human condition. The rebuttal to the first premise is that human nature is constant and not progressing. We, in the present, are not at all different — neither better nor worse — from our eldest ancestors. To the conservative, as Russell Kirk once explained, "real progress consists in the movement of mankind towards the understanding of norms, and towards conformity to norms."1
The norms of yesteryear are as applicable today as they were when first established by our ancestors. The farther we "progress" away from them, the worse our lives and civilizations become.
It depends on how much of a hardline conservative you are.
Especially when you talk about police states being imposed. You have to remember there is an army of online morons (on both sides) asking for even harder measures. Mass arrests and all that good stuff.
Far left and far right are in the same ballpark when you are talking about policing in the extreme.
An example would be the reporter asking Trump why arent ALL shops closed. Some hardline conservatives would be for that.
Far right would be anarchists who want 0 government but the average American doesn’t actually understand the political spectrum. Someone actually on the Far Right would want 0 policing and 0 government.
It's a lost cause. They words have been redefined so much even the pedes here rarely understand this anymore.
Yup. The true political spectrum is Anarchism on the far right, and Totalitarianism on the far left.
"Conservative" & "liberal" are meaningless- used to control thinking.
Conservative should mean "Conserving the status quo" or "Restrained policy with the most limited changes if shown to be necessary" which we certainly don't want to do anymore.
And Liberal is supposed to mean "pro liberty and freedom", which isn't actually an opposite to conservatism in anyway, and does not in any way describe the 'left' of today. Even the 'left' understood this at one point creating the term "Progressives," which from their point of view means "Change everything for the sake of changing it" or "Leave nothing as it was."
It's so messed up at this point we need to burn it all down and start over.
That's why I consider myself a Fundamentalist. I believe in the Biblical principles the Constitution was founded on, and would like to change America back to the way it was a century ago. I will become a "conservative" if that is ever achieved.
Nope! Both on the Left. Don't give a statement credibility just because the person is saying it on .WIN
This exactly.
Left/Right in the US is not the same as it is for Euros, and the idea that WWII Germany's version of Socialism is somehow on the Right is just a lie created from communists that have taken over our higher education institutions. This short video is excellent at explaining what I mean:
https://youtu.be/rj0zBMq1EaE?t=30
That's what people miss. "Far Right" in American politics is zero government. The people begging to be policed have a foot on each side.
I doubt that 35% of republicans are anarchists.There's an aspect of fear in this whole thing. Even Republicans are buying into the fear mongering to the point that they're willing to buy into a "temporary" police state.
It’s not about Republicans/Democrats. The notion is that the far right of the political spectrum is anarchy. The far left is totalitarianism. All you did is prove my point by conflating the too. Just another failing of our education system. If I didn’t take AP US history and took gen pop US history in HS I wouldn’t have gotten this lesson. Hell, I even majored in Poli Sci in college and didn’t get this lesson. Think about that, in K-Bachelor’s Degree schooling I had one teacher, in an advanced placement course, who was able to convey this point. No wonder the average American doesn’t understand it.
AP history is where I initially learned it as well. Have since of course studied more.
There are many republicans that are happy making more on unemployment than working. They are all for the hysteria if it means another week off.
Like ANTIFA? Nope! Sorry, Anarchy IS NOT a Far-Right position. Alllllllllllllllllllll Leftists!
in fact, the only people who make that argument are Leftist shills trying to make 2nd Amendment supporters into extremists.
...so why are you saying it?
The textbook definition of the political spectrum has anarchy on the right and totalitarianism on the left. One group bastardizing the term does not change the meaning.
Textbook you say? perhaps by some liberal Leftist professor...
you are correct ...your group bastardizing the meaning does not actually change the definition. Conservatives are those pesky people who will not choose an extremist/unrealistic POV, but instead choose to exist in a state of reasonable balance where we know we need a government for some things but we also know we can't trust them.
Leftist by NATURE.are a non-linear coalition of disparate nonsense ideals that do not function (i.e. Communism, Socialism, Anarchy, Trans-, Islam, etc.) clustering together for support against a successful majority. This is for the most part de facto the case since as soon as that successful majority is overthrown by one of the nonsense groups, the whole thing collapses and eventually ceases to exist (vis-a-vis Venezuela).
And, by the way, one of the ear-marks of a Leftist/nonsense person or ideal is the delusion of theory over reality even to the point of self-destruction. For example, claiming Islamaphobia in the face of Islamic pedophile rape-gangs, or globalism and open borders despite Coronavirus and Chinese domination, or even say, a linear spectrum theory of politics in spite of clear evidence to the contrary and no evidence in support.
EDIT: I don't think you are a liberal or Democrat shill honestly. I do think you may have been exposed to a lot of their group think and maybe influenced some by it.
Defining who we are with a negative slant or spin is a standard Leftist tactic; e.g. citizen wants border protection and resents illegal immigrants taking jobs; he is concerned about his own prosperity and well-being and that of his friends and family. Leftist comes along ambushes him in the act of expressing that negativity and asserts that "Denying <Race X>[Mexican, Chinese, Arab, etc..] the same opportunity for a good life that you have is racist! So you are a racist!". Citizen is caught off guard and blindsided, even made to feel bad and question his own actions.
Truth: there is nothing wrong or bad about putting yourself and family first; or you friends, or your neighbors, or your city, or your state, or your country; it is quite sensible, Just, and even fair. It is unnatural, unfair, and unJust to expect you to pay for, provide for, enrich, support, or care for strangers (people you have no obligation to). But now because of deceitful practices and manipulation by Leftists you have a good person questioning themselves and what is right.
There is a clear line between helping yourself and harming others. This is why MAGA is not racist or bad in any way. Leftists are always trying to blur this line in any way they can; like grouping us with people we have no association with. Such as taking supporters of Constitutional Rights, Limited Government, and Individual Freedom and extrapolating that to a non-sense degree that becomes bad (otherwise known as Straw-Man Propaganda); such as, 1st Amendment (religion and speech) to bigotry and racism, 2nd Amendment (arms, empowerment,self-defense) to violent sedition, anarchy, and crime, Limited Government to No Government, Individual Freedom to Social Chaos.
Conservatives and Conservatism has no connection to Anarchy, Sedition, or Crime; never has. So why let them put that on you? Every Anarchist I have ever known is Left-leaning. It was the Southern Democrats that supported slavery and tried to secede over it. The "alt-right", neo-nazis, white-supremacists all align with the KKK and its Democrat roots. So what if the Left has reached a point where they no longer want the KKK in their coalition of malcontents! How exactly does that automatically mean they join us? or that we have to take them on the Right? We don't want them! We have never wanted them! We have nothing ideologically in common with them.
If you walk-the-walk, then talk-the-talk; don't be an advertisement for the Leftist POV and don't blame others when they bamboozle you into one of their re-definition schemes.
You got that exactly wrong there my dude.
Far right is nothing like far left.
Left is total control. Right is total freedom.
We operate by sliding between the two.
Far right would be theocracy. The square model makes more sense than the line. The line can only take into account either social or fiscal, not both.
How do you even begin to postulate that a theocracy would be a right side ideology?
It's not postulating, it's what is. Authoritarian and socially conservative is theocracy. Again, everybody using the line segment model is using it from a different perspective. Some see it as freedom on the left and authoritarian on the right, some see it opposite. Some see it for a fiscal perspective. It's a pathetically inadequate model.
The square model makes it clear. You need to realize when you say "the left", you are speaking of authoritarian philosophy, but when " liberals" say "the right", they also are speaking of authoritarianism via religion. The extremes of both sides of that line IS authoritarian if you combine the perspectives.
Drop the line, get the square.
Wrong again. Even in a square, theocracy is to the left.
Squares have left and right sides. Total control is to the left. Total freedom is to the right.
And the square, I would posit, actually doesn't make sense. It merges two different topics and tries to put them on the same graph. When in reality 2 separated but parallel lines would make more sense. Add a line for every new subject.
I honestly think this right here has become the dividing line in the USA (and to a lesser extent, the rest of the developed world):
One group believes we need to cede all our freedoms and responsibilities so big daddy government can come in and save us from ourselves, while the other group believes we the people are the ones who are ultimately responsible for ourselves and our society at large.
Here's an enlightening article about it: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-bad-roots-of-progressivism-make-for-a-poisonous-tree
Theyve been very successful creating hysteria over something that probably 30-50% of the population have not even known they had.
Mass arrests. That would work really well when they are releasing criminals because jails are sites for covid. The Cali excuse among other places.