But... you didn’t die. Obviously. I mean that sucks, and it was probably terrifying for both of you, but have you ever watched a c-section up close to see what the doctor is doing in there? Also, which artery? There are very few arteries in the area where that incision is made and this is a very very rare complication of c-sections, so rare I can’t find any data on these types of errors at all. Plenty of broken bones, bowel lacerations, infections, and lots of various types of hemorrhages that can be the result of the mother’s uterine anatomy and not a medical error, but what happened to you must have been extremely rare, or a massive mistake where the doctor was cutting way far away from where he/she should have been.
If you google c section problems the first thing that comes up is that there are cases of arteries being cut and I think it said knicking the spleen. It says its rare but rare among millions of cases could mean thousands of instances. It also says a few things about knicking arteries which is ok as long as its noticed quickly.
Im not attacking healthcare at all either, sorry it seems like that. Im just ummm displaying math. 250k deaths of millions, possibly hundreds of millions of interactions isnt a huge number. Just as 25k deaths of a virus is a tiny number, and thats the point, that the virus is mathematically a miniscule problem
Sounds like her baby would have likely died had there not been someone to perform a c-section. And possibly mother as well. This is the reality in many parts of the world where surgery is not available. I have seen the introduction of a single operating theater specifically for c-sections save hundreds of lives annually.
But let’s not focus on that mom and baby are doing well. Let’s focus on how shitty it is to have such blessings, and how doctors and nurses suck.
It’s easy to do. All you have to do is never go to the doctor or seek out healthcare. You can save a bundle on insurance, too. Just go without.
If you are in an accident, refuse all care.
If you have a strange lump growing in your breast, ignore it.
If you are pissing blood, take a Tylenol or pray to the Buddha. Or, place a Ouija board over the kidney area (just look on wikipedia) and a DeWalt drill and drill for the problem.
If you are in debilitating pain, remember it could be much worse and don’t forget about all those medical errors.
You can effectively protect yourself from doctors and nurses easily and I invite anyone with the courage of their convictions to do so.
I don't think that was the point. Don't be so sensitive. We are talking about doctor ERRORS why in the world would you defend doctors and nurses who fuck up that wind up costing a patient their life? And that's not counting errors that aren't fatal, but result in permanent injury.
Your all or nothing scenario isn't productive nor realistic. I don't think it's wrong that when someone goes to the hospital, they would like to come out alive- especially for something that's relatively routine. And if it is the 3red leading cause of death in America, I would wager that the numbers are even higher.
Well there you go. It’s dangerous to your health. Stay away, please.
Or propose a solution that is not already being implemented.
These estimates are produced by ivory tower epidemiologists who aren’t counting actual episodes of malpractice. Instead they say things like, “if all doctors used this order set when admitting stroke victims, we estimate it would save 50,000 lives per year. So we will call those preventable deaths.” And they add the number to the pile.
It’s smoke and bullshit brought to you by the same people who count 3,700 deaths in NYC as COVID without a test.
Do medical people make errors? Yes. Do they desperately try to avoid them and have thousands of efforts in place to prevent them? Yes.
But we walk a lunatic fringe of ever-sicker patients and they are going to die from something. Many would have died many years prior without the ongoing care they receive. We cannot make them immortal. And at some point they die and we say, hey maybe if we had done xyz they could have lived even longer. And so let’s call it a “preventable death.”
There is a medical malpractice system in place in all 50 states. In actual cases of malpractice, a lawsuit is used to discover facts and provide remedy. Mistakes do happen. Of course. You are being treated by humans, not infallible God Himself.
But saying it is the third leading cause of death is stupid. We save at least 100 lives for every one we fail to save. If no care was provided, death rates would be much higher. We used to have a life expectancy in the 40s in America.
A large portion of the populace does this actually. A lot of people feel its taboo to go to the doctor and it may not be correct but its not an unsubstantiated belief. My borothers a mexican and a gangbanger. He'll tell you that you die in the hospital and if you were to think about it, its very possible someone might not take extra effort to save a gangbanger. I got no opinion on it.
I got great healthcare and I actually do avoid hospitals unless uts urgent. It probably actually isnt wise but unless its something desperate I dont feel doctors are necessarily smarter than me. If its surgery or something of course they have training and knowledge but if its not life threatening I dont feel they can do better than I could with the internet, and its true.
For instance I havent had a cold or flu in years, never been vaccinated for them and never get very sick. If I feel a cold coming on I drink hit sauce, tapatio or tabasco and the colds gone in 20 minutes. I had pneumonia maybe 15 years ago and I should have went but didnt. By the time I knew itvwas so severe that I should have I had beaten it anyway. Thats not saying I wouldnt go for pneumonia, its just saying I probably wouldnt go for less
I agree. I have plenty of patients who live a long life never going to see the doc and show up with stage IV cancer at age 80 and they are fine with that.
And some who ignored that blood in the stool because hey it wasn’t painful and probably just a hemorrhoid... and they have widespread colon cancer at age 40 when they show up crashing with pulmonary embolus.
It’s up to the individual. I am a firm believer in liberty and my patients wishes always supersede my own in the care I provide.
Nobody wants to work with people who don’t want or value their services. The contractor fella above wouldn’t want to work with people who tell him what a shitty job all contractors do, what ripoff artists they are, and how they always screw things up. He’d tell them to do it themselves then. And that’s my opinion as well for people who don’t like the medical care I provide. “Bye.”
I’m in nursing school. This shit is complicated. There are steps we take to make sure that there are less medicine administration errors, like always including leading 0s so you don’t accidentally give someone 5mg instead of 0.5mg, and all the orders being computerized helps as well. It’s constantly talked about in school. This isn’t something the medical community scoffs at, at least my nursing profs, they all want this number to be 0 if possible.
Every time you (you=nurses, doctors don’t administer medicine and often aren’t even qualified to do so) give medicine, you’re supposed to do three separate checks. When you pull the medicine, you check that it’s the right drug, dose, route, patient, time and expiration as well as documentation and any allergies. When you prepare the medications, you do the same checks, again. Then, when you bring it to the patients room to give them the meds, you do all those same checks again, as well as look at their ID band and have them state their name and date of birth, and this is to be done every single time, even with ibuprofen. Or, you’re supposed to. I’m positive many many nurses don’t do these checks because it’s hard to do these every time for 8 patients who all are due to receive meds at 8am, and you’re the only person who can give these meds.
There are way too many deaths from medical errors, however, context is important. You’re often dealing with very sick people who have weakened bodies and immune systems, and the people administering care are just people like you and me. Don’t let the white lab coat fool you. They put their scrubs on one pant leg at a time. Many many more people are saved every year by modern medicine.
That being said, I couldn’t agree more that these numbers should be brought up next to the WuFlu numbers because context is important when our rights are being systematically shredded for “muh safety!!”
Im just a drop out carpenter. I layed out a job by the SF capital where a 400sf condo cost 700k. The entire job leaned over about 3-4 inches which can be 70k worth of footage loss per condo or more. From the 6th floor to the 14th I twisted a whole wing of the building. Youre talking years of planning, probably 100 engineers or so for a solid year. A team if architects. A crew of software developers to make digital maps of the buildings and attach them to GPS software. Cashwise youre talking.... 70+ condos averaging maybe 1 million or more, 70 million dollars value+.
By myself without any help I twisted the whole building to accommodate the exterior and plumbing, air conditioning ducts, counters and windows etc etc. I changed probably 10-20 million dollars worth of payroll by myself in 3 weeks. I made like... I think 8-9k a week and worked a crazy amount of hours.
Difference? I didn't kill anybody. And I probably undervalued the price a shit ton since the building overlooked the San Francisco capital building. Worked 14 hours a day, everyday by noon I had a headache till 7pm when I got off
I don’t get it. Do you perform duties with someone’s life in your hands all day, every day, as your routine job?
Nurses and docs can talk about their great triumphs too. But if they make a miscalculation they don’t get to say, aww shit tear it out we got to re-do it.” I’m sure you have never had to backtrack on a project because some underling mismeasured - right?
Many of these statistics about errors are just estimates about “potentially preventable deaths.” For example some egghead decides that he has made the perfect order set for all diabetics admitted with ketoacidosis , and estimates that if everyone used his order set it would save 30,000 lives per year, and since they don’t lets throw that on the estimate pile as preventable deaths. It’s as bullshit as the death count for COVID and being promulgated by people seeking power.
Actually yeah. My jobs dangerous and Ive trained over 100 apprentices to do it, so actually yes and no. When Im a foreman or training apprentices if the job is too dangerous like say building the exterior of a skyscraper or climbing into an elevator shaft with 100 pounds of material, then Ill just go do it. Even with 30 guys working for me if I feel its too dangerous Ill go do it. But yes, many times I have to put my apprentices or workers in dangerous positions and their lives are in my hands and secured by how I develope a situation to insure their safety. Come to a union hospital sometime thats getting built, here: I was in charge of 10 guys here but I had to insure it was safe and train guys what they needed to do so I did the work on this a few days. Every guy that did this after, their lives depended on my measures and doing things exactly how I showed them to. I had 2 19 year old kids doing that for 3 weeks after I started it
This isnt even very dangerous, Ive just been running work so I cant take videos of fun stuff anymore. Thats maybe a 60 ft drop. That aint shit. A 20 story elevator shaft might be a 280 ft drop
I love the anecdote about Ignaz Semmelweis trying to get his fellow doctors to wash their hands in the mid-1800s, and despite overwhelming evidence that it was effective, they locked him up in an insane asylum where he was beaten and died.
That culture seems to persist until the present day.
My number came out great FYI. 34k less deaths in march this year than avg. A good portion was doctor accidental killings. Car accidents at 38k a year was around 3k. Id say doctor malpractice was around 14k of total or so
I believe it! I almost died during my c-section bc my doc nicked an artery and my poor husband, holding his new son, was just stuck watching me die.
But... you didn’t die. Obviously. I mean that sucks, and it was probably terrifying for both of you, but have you ever watched a c-section up close to see what the doctor is doing in there? Also, which artery? There are very few arteries in the area where that incision is made and this is a very very rare complication of c-sections, so rare I can’t find any data on these types of errors at all. Plenty of broken bones, bowel lacerations, infections, and lots of various types of hemorrhages that can be the result of the mother’s uterine anatomy and not a medical error, but what happened to you must have been extremely rare, or a massive mistake where the doctor was cutting way far away from where he/she should have been.
"Or a massive mistake"
Lmao. There, you proved the point :D
If you google c section problems the first thing that comes up is that there are cases of arteries being cut and I think it said knicking the spleen. It says its rare but rare among millions of cases could mean thousands of instances. It also says a few things about knicking arteries which is ok as long as its noticed quickly.
Im not attacking healthcare at all either, sorry it seems like that. Im just ummm displaying math. 250k deaths of millions, possibly hundreds of millions of interactions isnt a huge number. Just as 25k deaths of a virus is a tiny number, and thats the point, that the virus is mathematically a miniscule problem
Sounds like her baby would have likely died had there not been someone to perform a c-section. And possibly mother as well. This is the reality in many parts of the world where surgery is not available. I have seen the introduction of a single operating theater specifically for c-sections save hundreds of lives annually.
But let’s not focus on that mom and baby are doing well. Let’s focus on how shitty it is to have such blessings, and how doctors and nurses suck.
Ok. Trump needs to retweet this for perspective. Excellent post Pede.
Pill so black not even light can escape.
planned parenthood wants it ded
Kek
NGL, stole that from ed latimore
So we should quarantine doctors
It’s easy to do. All you have to do is never go to the doctor or seek out healthcare. You can save a bundle on insurance, too. Just go without.
If you are in an accident, refuse all care.
If you have a strange lump growing in your breast, ignore it.
If you are pissing blood, take a Tylenol or pray to the Buddha. Or, place a Ouija board over the kidney area (just look on wikipedia) and a DeWalt drill and drill for the problem.
If you are in debilitating pain, remember it could be much worse and don’t forget about all those medical errors.
You can effectively protect yourself from doctors and nurses easily and I invite anyone with the courage of their convictions to do so.
I won’t miss you.
I don't think that was the point. Don't be so sensitive. We are talking about doctor ERRORS why in the world would you defend doctors and nurses who fuck up that wind up costing a patient their life? And that's not counting errors that aren't fatal, but result in permanent injury.
Your all or nothing scenario isn't productive nor realistic. I don't think it's wrong that when someone goes to the hospital, they would like to come out alive- especially for something that's relatively routine. And if it is the 3red leading cause of death in America, I would wager that the numbers are even higher.
Well there you go. It’s dangerous to your health. Stay away, please.
Or propose a solution that is not already being implemented.
These estimates are produced by ivory tower epidemiologists who aren’t counting actual episodes of malpractice. Instead they say things like, “if all doctors used this order set when admitting stroke victims, we estimate it would save 50,000 lives per year. So we will call those preventable deaths.” And they add the number to the pile.
It’s smoke and bullshit brought to you by the same people who count 3,700 deaths in NYC as COVID without a test.
Do medical people make errors? Yes. Do they desperately try to avoid them and have thousands of efforts in place to prevent them? Yes.
But we walk a lunatic fringe of ever-sicker patients and they are going to die from something. Many would have died many years prior without the ongoing care they receive. We cannot make them immortal. And at some point they die and we say, hey maybe if we had done xyz they could have lived even longer. And so let’s call it a “preventable death.”
There is a medical malpractice system in place in all 50 states. In actual cases of malpractice, a lawsuit is used to discover facts and provide remedy. Mistakes do happen. Of course. You are being treated by humans, not infallible God Himself.
But saying it is the third leading cause of death is stupid. We save at least 100 lives for every one we fail to save. If no care was provided, death rates would be much higher. We used to have a life expectancy in the 40s in America.
A large portion of the populace does this actually. A lot of people feel its taboo to go to the doctor and it may not be correct but its not an unsubstantiated belief. My borothers a mexican and a gangbanger. He'll tell you that you die in the hospital and if you were to think about it, its very possible someone might not take extra effort to save a gangbanger. I got no opinion on it.
I got great healthcare and I actually do avoid hospitals unless uts urgent. It probably actually isnt wise but unless its something desperate I dont feel doctors are necessarily smarter than me. If its surgery or something of course they have training and knowledge but if its not life threatening I dont feel they can do better than I could with the internet, and its true.
For instance I havent had a cold or flu in years, never been vaccinated for them and never get very sick. If I feel a cold coming on I drink hit sauce, tapatio or tabasco and the colds gone in 20 minutes. I had pneumonia maybe 15 years ago and I should have went but didnt. By the time I knew itvwas so severe that I should have I had beaten it anyway. Thats not saying I wouldnt go for pneumonia, its just saying I probably wouldnt go for less
I agree. I have plenty of patients who live a long life never going to see the doc and show up with stage IV cancer at age 80 and they are fine with that.
And some who ignored that blood in the stool because hey it wasn’t painful and probably just a hemorrhoid... and they have widespread colon cancer at age 40 when they show up crashing with pulmonary embolus.
It’s up to the individual. I am a firm believer in liberty and my patients wishes always supersede my own in the care I provide.
Nobody wants to work with people who don’t want or value their services. The contractor fella above wouldn’t want to work with people who tell him what a shitty job all contractors do, what ripoff artists they are, and how they always screw things up. He’d tell them to do it themselves then. And that’s my opinion as well for people who don’t like the medical care I provide. “Bye.”
Oooh that'll rustle some jimmies lol
Numeracy is a terrible thing. It makes people start shouting SHUT UP!
Well that is a scary red pill
I’m in nursing school. This shit is complicated. There are steps we take to make sure that there are less medicine administration errors, like always including leading 0s so you don’t accidentally give someone 5mg instead of 0.5mg, and all the orders being computerized helps as well. It’s constantly talked about in school. This isn’t something the medical community scoffs at, at least my nursing profs, they all want this number to be 0 if possible.
Every time you (you=nurses, doctors don’t administer medicine and often aren’t even qualified to do so) give medicine, you’re supposed to do three separate checks. When you pull the medicine, you check that it’s the right drug, dose, route, patient, time and expiration as well as documentation and any allergies. When you prepare the medications, you do the same checks, again. Then, when you bring it to the patients room to give them the meds, you do all those same checks again, as well as look at their ID band and have them state their name and date of birth, and this is to be done every single time, even with ibuprofen. Or, you’re supposed to. I’m positive many many nurses don’t do these checks because it’s hard to do these every time for 8 patients who all are due to receive meds at 8am, and you’re the only person who can give these meds.
There are way too many deaths from medical errors, however, context is important. You’re often dealing with very sick people who have weakened bodies and immune systems, and the people administering care are just people like you and me. Don’t let the white lab coat fool you. They put their scrubs on one pant leg at a time. Many many more people are saved every year by modern medicine.
That being said, I couldn’t agree more that these numbers should be brought up next to the WuFlu numbers because context is important when our rights are being systematically shredded for “muh safety!!”
Im just a drop out carpenter. I layed out a job by the SF capital where a 400sf condo cost 700k. The entire job leaned over about 3-4 inches which can be 70k worth of footage loss per condo or more. From the 6th floor to the 14th I twisted a whole wing of the building. Youre talking years of planning, probably 100 engineers or so for a solid year. A team if architects. A crew of software developers to make digital maps of the buildings and attach them to GPS software. Cashwise youre talking.... 70+ condos averaging maybe 1 million or more, 70 million dollars value+.
By myself without any help I twisted the whole building to accommodate the exterior and plumbing, air conditioning ducts, counters and windows etc etc. I changed probably 10-20 million dollars worth of payroll by myself in 3 weeks. I made like... I think 8-9k a week and worked a crazy amount of hours.
Difference? I didn't kill anybody. And I probably undervalued the price a shit ton since the building overlooked the San Francisco capital building. Worked 14 hours a day, everyday by noon I had a headache till 7pm when I got off
I don’t get it. Do you perform duties with someone’s life in your hands all day, every day, as your routine job?
Nurses and docs can talk about their great triumphs too. But if they make a miscalculation they don’t get to say, aww shit tear it out we got to re-do it.” I’m sure you have never had to backtrack on a project because some underling mismeasured - right?
Many of these statistics about errors are just estimates about “potentially preventable deaths.” For example some egghead decides that he has made the perfect order set for all diabetics admitted with ketoacidosis , and estimates that if everyone used his order set it would save 30,000 lives per year, and since they don’t lets throw that on the estimate pile as preventable deaths. It’s as bullshit as the death count for COVID and being promulgated by people seeking power.
Actually yeah. My jobs dangerous and Ive trained over 100 apprentices to do it, so actually yes and no. When Im a foreman or training apprentices if the job is too dangerous like say building the exterior of a skyscraper or climbing into an elevator shaft with 100 pounds of material, then Ill just go do it. Even with 30 guys working for me if I feel its too dangerous Ill go do it. But yes, many times I have to put my apprentices or workers in dangerous positions and their lives are in my hands and secured by how I develope a situation to insure their safety. Come to a union hospital sometime thats getting built, here: I was in charge of 10 guys here but I had to insure it was safe and train guys what they needed to do so I did the work on this a few days. Every guy that did this after, their lives depended on my measures and doing things exactly how I showed them to. I had 2 19 year old kids doing that for 3 weeks after I started it
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTH3V5ljn6f/?igshid=1did7kk5br0ps
This isnt even very dangerous, Ive just been running work so I cant take videos of fun stuff anymore. Thats maybe a 60 ft drop. That aint shit. A 20 story elevator shaft might be a 280 ft drop
Question: Why do doctors still refuse to wash their hands? https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-hand-hygiene-plummets-watched-study-finds/story?id=39737505
I love the anecdote about Ignaz Semmelweis trying to get his fellow doctors to wash their hands in the mid-1800s, and despite overwhelming evidence that it was effective, they locked him up in an insane asylum where he was beaten and died.
That culture seems to persist until the present day.
Answer: they don’t.
My number came out great FYI. 34k less deaths in march this year than avg. A good portion was doctor accidental killings. Car accidents at 38k a year was around 3k. Id say doctor malpractice was around 14k of total or so