Win uses cookies necessary for site functionality, as well as for personalization. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies as described in our Privacy Policy.
I am a Covid response team ICU travel nurse to New Jersey, I am literally shocked at how how 90% of the staff sat down 80% of the shift and did nothing. I sat with my patients, rubbed lotion on their cracking skin, and vaseline on their bleeding lips. I still had time to eat lunch, the first time in years as my fellow nurses told me to sit down and relax. Actually appalling.
If you are a nurse, CNA, NAR-if you have time to to -anything- like this you are part of the problem and could be spending your time helping your fellow co-workers, or spending that precious time doing something productive for your patients. If you disagree with me as a nurse, you're salty your laziness is being addressed.
This. Idk why this is even a post. They work 12 hour shifts. This might be the night shift at 3am when all the patients are asleep, or after their shift, so they made a video. I don’t think people here would be complaining if this was construction workers or truck drivers. Also, who fucking thinks that nurses are the ones who diagnose people? How fucking stupid can you be?
Here’s some info for the ignorant cunts that wanna shit on nurses to feel good, since all we do is play cards and shit, right? When nurses diagnose someone, it’s with a “nursing diagnosis.” So if someone has a diagnosis from the doctor of “an upper respiratory infection,” the “nursing diagnosis” is something like “ineffective breathing pattern related to inflammatory process in the respiratory tract as evidenced by cyanosis, use of accessory muscles, tachypnea.”
Not once in there is the virus that is causing the infection ever mentioned. Because that’s not what nurses do. Nurses focus on the direct interventions for the acute issue, be it ineffective breathing, risk for infection, anxiety, things like that. They don’t decide what virus it is or the medications to be given. They certainly don’t decide what the code should be for that patient’s diagnosis. The ignorance of the fuckers here that want to grandstand against literally the most trusted profession in America for almost a decade, the people that will actually take care of you when your fat ass is super sick, is pretty silly. But hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself I guess. Just keep the people who are gonna be cleaning the shit from your ass, balls, taint and every other nook and cranny that liquid shit can find it’s way into when you’re 80, out of it.
Exactly this. Here in KY we are setting up field hospitals all around the state when not one of the hospitals in our state have been over ran with CoViD 19
Docs and nurses in most parts of the country are bored from lack of work. All elective procedures are cancelled and the hospitals are staying empty for a “surge” of patients that may never come. Hospitals and clinics are laying people off, forcing them to take vacation/PTO, and reducing salaries.
We want to work, too. We didn’t decide to shut down the hospitals.
Neither did the nurses and doctors and hospital staff. But there are literally people in this thread saying that nurses and doctors are guilty and frauds as if they have any power. Like I said, it’s like calling me guilty as a Lance Corporal in the Marines for decisions made by the Joint Chiefs. It’s just low IQ scapegoating.
Trump and the governors shut this shit down. It’s better to overreact than under react (politically) in these kinds of situations. I want to go back to work too. I want to be able to go to clinical and not take all my classes online. I wanna go get a fat glass of Basil Hayden’s at my favorite pub. But this thread has become a shit on nurses thread. It’s similar to that dumbass republican in Washington who essentially said all nurses do is play cards. They certainly aren’t the ones keeping your 28week gestation baby alive, or cleaning the liquid shit out of your ass, or changing your nasty wounds on your feet because you didn’t your diabetes seriously. So I’ll take 1000 downvoted for what I said. Idgaf.
I don’t disagree with that. At all. Actually I’m frustrated too. I do take offense to these fuckers saying nurses and doctors are guilty and frauds when those are the first people they would run to if they get sick. Placing your frustration over governmental decisions on working people is just childish and low IQ.
In response to a lot of ignorant fucks blaming an entire profession for the shutdown they have no control over because the internet told them to be salty about a video a few nurses made. Thanks for contributing tho 😉
Dude I work in a hospital and I cannot stand these videos. People are fucking sick, but the country has to open and their horseshit is not helping anyone.
I don’t like the videos either. I also don’t like people who think nurses diagnose people with covid coming here and spewing ignorant bullshit about a profession that DOES put itself in harms way to take care of people. 6 goofy nurses at a hospital in who knows where is not reflective of the entire profession, and the shitting on every day working Americans because they are too stupid to understand what their scope of practice is is leftist shit.
Actually in nursing school. Not licensed. They won’t let us go to clinical at all. Which is why I used my post to explain what a nursing diagnosis is for the very very stupid people in this thread who think nurses diagnose people with covid. Just an unbelievable amount of ignorance that I’ll take 1000 downvotes to correct.
We are in lockdown and rights suspended by decree on the premise that doing so would "flatten the curve" to keep the hospitals being overrun. They claimed the hospitals in Italy were worse than a war zone.
We are in week 4/5 of medical fascism lockdown. Do they look like they are over-crowded, under pressure and working in a war zone?
Coding is usually done by low payed people called "Coders," based on the notes by the doctor, and reviewed by medical records or case management, hospital admin usually doesn't get involved.
*Why the fuck are people down voting this? I've been a nurse since 2009, I've never coded anything, I know what I'm talking about, look at this.
https://www.indeed.com/q-Medical-Coder-jobs.html
Or diagnosing in general. Nursing diagnosis, sure, but you’re never gonna diagnose the specific disease. Pretty sad how many people are speaking with authority about something they couldn’t possibly know less about.
These neckbeards just want to feel morally superior so they are shitting on a profession that has absolutely nothing to do with these decisions. The most trusted profession in America I might add. I bet it was my fault as a Lance Corporal in the Marines when the CO makes a decision that someone online doesn’t agree with.
Coding is done by "providers"(physicians, NP's, PA's, etc...). Coders are responsible for entering the codes into the system for payment.
Good coders can read a document(note) and call a provider for clarification and potential missed billing or overbilling.
Yes, that is completely correct, I'm sorry if anything I said could have been misunderstood as indicating otherwise.
The moral of the story I'm trying to get across, a hospital has a certain amount of people who provide care, doctors, PAs, NPs, RNs, APRNs, CNAs, techs, they are all doing important shit. Then they have this army of billers and coders and MIS and MIT who's only job is to make sure the hospital gets paid for what the other 20% of the staff do.
That's completely fucked up. The fact is at every hospital I worked at more than 50% of the their staff are just there to make sure we get paid is fucked. I worked at a place that didn't know what they were doing, a bunch of local doctors tried to start their own hospital, focused on pt care and not money, and we ended up losing CMS funding and had to sell. That's like watching the American Dream die. Imagine being a surgeon for 20 years, you break away from the crap, and CMS says fuck you, these guys mortgaged their houses, they lost everything.
I'm not sure what I should take from that. Does that mean doctors should be good at being a doctor and not running a business, Yea probably. Did Obamacare's crazy shit about doctor owned facilities not being able to expand their services eventually kill us, yea, yea it did. We were not able to expand to meet the needs of the community, when we tried, Obamacare slapped us down. There were a lot more things in that bill than people ever talk about, like that my hospital couldn't add a cath lab because it was doctor owned.
Codes are put in by the coders based on physician documentation.
There are nurses also hired and their position titled clinical documentation specialist. It is their job to review doctors documentation before patient is discharged from the hospital and talk/question the doctors to correctly document diagnosis so that codes can be accurate according to coding guidelines. It’s a very high paying job. Higher than a patient care nurse.
Documentation cannot be assumed. It must be clearly documented by the doctor. So if doctor documents anemia it cannot be assumed the type. It must be clearly stated the acuity and the type. Example acute blood loss anemia. Documentation matters. Coding guidelines are strict.
Coders actually make decent money and sometimes more than patient care nurses.
The nurses taking care of patients are treated like slaves and low level in the hospital system. It’s sad. It’s not until you get out of patient care you start making more money. It’s crazy and makes me so mad!
As far as being a nurse and not doing pt care, I did the whole administrator thing for a while, the pay was actually less when you factor not getting over time and weekend and shift differentials. I know a lot of NPs who make less now than they did when they worked the floor.
I will never do admin again, I became a nurse to be a nurse, not to write other nurses up because they got caught eating a slice of cake in the nurse's station.
Yeah I would never go into administration as a nurse! There are other jobs that are not bedside that pay well over what bedside nurses get paid. No overtime either.
Bedside nurses can make more by being a travel nurse, agency nurse doing short term contracts or working float pool usually they don’t receive any benefits but can get paid up to $50 hr for experienced nurses. Bedside nurses where I live are lucky to make over $35 hr and that’s with experience. New grads start out around $18 hr. I have a friend who I worked bedside with she’s now moved into administration she works alllllll the time and the stress is ridiculous. It’s not worth it. I have other friends who work on the business side as a nurse and no overtime actually work less hours because they are salary paid and are able to get what they need done in a shorter amount of time they make $95k a year salary and some work from home. They are very happy.
agency nurse doing short term contracts or working float pool usually they don’t receive any benefits but can get paid up to $50 hr for experienced nurses.
The smartest nurse I ever worked with had this brilliant thing going, she started her own agency and let her husband officially run it, she was the only nurse, but she got paid both what she got paid and what the hospitals paid the agency.
Bedside nurses where I live are lucky to make over $35 hr and that’s with experience
Well, that's about what I make, and I've been a nurse since 2007, but that's a fortune here. I'm not sure I can name anyone making that here except maybe some petroleum engineers, maybe a fuel hauler if he's in overtime. They damn sure don't pay the teachers or anyone in the public sector that. I mean, I do mental health chemical substance rehab, and I work with people who got masters degrees in social work and and they aren't making half that.
New grads start out around $18 hr.
Wow, that's insulting.
I have other friends who work on the business side as a nurse and no overtime actually work less hours because they are salary paid and are able to get what they need done in a shorter amount of time they make $95k a year salary and some work from home. They are very happy.
I'm not sure what you would mean by the work on the business side, but they don't work in administration? Can you explain that to me? I'm interested.
Look into jobs titled utilization review with insurance companies and jobs titled clinical documentation specialist with hospitals. Must be an RN with minimum 5 yrs experience in acute patient care setting. The rest is on the job training.
Sorry, was having a bad day, I'm in a better mood now.
What I mean when I say low paid, is that coders make less than nurses, a lot less, hospitals have coders code and nurses nurse for exactly that reason. They have bottom lines to feed.
Coders do not interpret diagnosis based on notes, the diagnosis is clearly labeled
That's not been my experience. I don't know maybe that's something that other places get better than we do where I live, but I've worked at three different hospitals, and I've had the same experience at each one. First as a unit-secretary (or a ward-clerk as we were known in the old days) and now as a charge nurse, my experience is the doctors are expected to clearly outline diagnoses but don't, and the hospital is so hard up to get doctors they let that slide, so the coders and medical billers and case managers and utilization review are combing through notes and dictation looking for the diagnoses, but they aren't medical people, so they don't know, but they are afraid of the doctors, so they call up to the floor, and ask for me, and I have to explain to them what everything means so they can code it. That's probably not how things work at big hospitals, but that's how I've always had it. I didn't think to clarify that, but yea, you are right.
Again, sorry, I was having a bad moment when I replied like that. I lashed out at you when I was upset about something else.
So if the notes say there is no visible symptoms and no visible symptoms is listed as a symptom of COVID-19, they can code COVID-19. Which is fair because the CDC is telling them to presume it's the cause.
The doctor would have to have said: "Suspected COVID-19 infection" at some point in his H&P, Daily Rounds Notes, or Discharge Summery before a coder could legally code it as COVID-19. CMS does not fuck around, they shut hospitals down and withhold payments and demand money back over minor infractions when it comes to coding and billing.
I'm no fan of CMS, they actually are the death panels that we were warned Obamacare would bring, little did they know they were already in place. I've seen them and numerous private insurance companies deny life saving procedures based on stupid reasons.
I remember the first time I ever saw that happen, a teenage girl, I think she was 16, needed a certain procedure and her insurance said they wouldn't pay for it because it was an "experimental" procedure, so experimental, that it had been successfully preformed since the 1970s, and this was like 2001. I was so pissed, I wished I could find that person that was like: "Na, cheaper for us if you just die." Then it happened again, and again, and again. I was super pissed at my hospital too, like, "Why can't you just eat the cost of this one, you do emergency surgery on drug dealers who catch a round to chest, why can't you just eat the cost one this one." Whole thing is fucked.
Wait, I got way off track that wasn't what we were talking about at all. Ha ha. The CDC guidelines do say what you said. Those are instructions for doctors and medical examiners. The doctor or the medical examiner can do what they want. The coder can only code what the provider writes, if the doctor writes they were bitten by a vampire, mauled by Bigfoot, then swallowed by Nessie, that's what they are required to code,
We shall see., they are all guilty, and all committing fraud. Maybe the nurses and docs are just following orders. A lot of that going around these days.
you are doing/implying the same thing to doctors, that you're accusing this comment and the original post of implying/doing to nurses. Individual doctors and nurses (at least the vast majority) are not doing anything nefarious or malicious, certainly not with intent, and (again, for the most part) deserve nothing but our praises and accolades, especially now.
I don't know when this started, but I've been noticing for years this tendency -- typically from nurses, or those directly related -- to shit on doctors as arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic assholes/sadists. Again, generalizing, and sure it's true/applicable to some doctors (just as some of the most negative stereotypes of nurses are sometimes true/applicable), but it's generally the exception, and not the rule, and most people who choose to become doctors, just the same as most who choose to become nurses, tend to do so because they genuinely want to help the sick.
None of this is to imply that there's no fuckery going on right now... quite the opposite; there's plenty. But it originates from a number of individuals, organizations, systems, processes, etc, where it's near impossible to point a finger directly. But broadly speaking, it's not your average doctor, nurse, scientist, etc, but stems more from bureaucracy and corruption (where, at worst, individual doctors and nurses might be unwitting participants. The exceptions are your Fauci and Birx types, who are better described as bureaucrats and politicians than practicing MDs)
You just described the class tension in the military between officers and enlisted. Some enlisted hate officers for being elitist pricks, while some officers do look down their noses at NCOs and privates. But the vast majority of the time respect is given all the way around. Except for generals and shit, they’re all politician asshoes
Sounds about right (I don't have any military experience). So, generals would be like... the hospital admin/board, or maybe like heads of dept of health, CDC or WHO equivalents.
But certainly, respect tends to flow both ways between doctors and nurses, and the majority of both tend to be there for the right reasons, and understand their roles, as well as their counterpart's roles. Unfortunately, I do see (anecdotally) a disproportionate level of totally unjustified disrespect and shittalking from 1 of the 2 professions (who ironically think it's the other way around)
You’re a fucking retard. Nurses are paid to give direct care to patients, not made decisions about diagnosis or ventilators. This is like getting mad at Walmart cashiers in Michigan because Gov HalfWit banned the sale of vegetable seeds. I’d love to know what profession you’re in so I can help your little brain understand just how stupid of a comment that was. You’ll be real grateful for those fraudulent health care workers when your can’t control your bladder anymore and some piece of shit asshole nurse is cleaning your little cock and balls so you don’t have skin break down, get an infection, and die of sepsis.
Spez: Downvote me all you want, but I’m right and you’re wrong because I actually know what the fuck I’m talking about and you don’t. Nurses almost always follow orders (Unless they are advocating on your behalf against the doctor/hospital), because doctors write “orders.” That’s what they’re called when a doctor puts a medication in your MAR for the nurse to give you. It’s called an “order.”
Nurses don’t diagnose and their documentation does not determine coding.
Doctor documentation determines codes according the coding guidelines. There are coders who code the charts based on physician documentation and clinical evidence to back it up.
Current coding guidelines require the covid code to be the Principal diagnosis which categorized the chart into what’s called DRG (diagnostic related groups) then there are secondary diagnosis that follow. The current DRG for COVID is 177, 178 listed as a respiratory infections DRG. Covid must be positive by test or suspected. You can’t just write any diagnosis and code it. There must be supportive clinical evidence throughout the chart.
The same goes with any other diagnosis. It must be treated monitored and evaluated. Can be suspected, probable or likely to code.
After a coder codes the chart it’s sent to billing. They then have nurses who scour the chart to try to deny any codes adding money it’s a multiplayer system. The hospitals hire nurses to review charts while patients are inpatient to make sure doctor documentation is correct so that correct codes can be captured according to coding guidelines.
For example a patient comes in with a gastrointestinal bleeding and anemia. Doctor documents anemia due to GI bleed. There are many codes for anemia and nothing can be assumed and must be documented by the provider. So the clinical documentation specialist nurse will them ask the doctor for more specific anemia such as acute blood loss anemia. Doctor then documents and this adds money to the chart and a more accurate/detailed diagnosis.
Current coding guidelines require COVID cases to be coded as COVID code as pdx and if patient develops viral pneumonia that will be a secondary code that adds weight (money) to the account.
Listen you heartless bastard, they’re out there on the FRONT LINES OK? And every day they are facing the most unthinkable terrors, and still making amazingly choreographed videos. Every day they are in fear the new video might not get so many views, might be uploaded a little late, that they won’t have a good idea in time.
They have to secure PPE, masks, ventilators, in order to have some props to use in the videos. They are working tirelessly to make sure that we don’t have another Macarena on our hands. Maybe you should do your part while these amazing whores twerk for your life.
Ever worked in healthcare? I generally enjoyed it but none of this is very surprising. Healthcare admin is diversity quotas. Nurses are either fucking great or fucking bad, and it is usually on a unit by unit basis.
And now they have the opportunity to get internet points and attention by being pretend war heroes against the flu.
This exactly. The types that would do this are the attention whores. The real solid nurses are in the back charting and shit wondering what the fuck these idiots are doing in the halls. Its fucking embarrassing. Most likely these are new nurses or mostly nurses aids.
Truth! As a nurse working 12 hr shifts in the hospital I never had any time for selfies or dancing. I’m to busy working and lucky to get a pee break or a lunch break. Day shift is much different than night shift though.
When I worked the ER the other shift, (not the one I was on) got written up for doing a Harlem Shake video. This kind of stuff happens a lot more often than you would think.
Yeah it’s weird (nurse here) I never understood the self righteous behavior. It’s super annoying to me. Like chill and do your job. Don’t think you’re so great for doing your f*king job.
The MSM has convinced half the population that even considering lifting the quarantine ban at the end of the month will surely kill us all. Some cuck on the radio the other day said cancelling concerts and events throughout the summer is the only responsible thing we can do.
Quite honestly, this is starting to mirror a situation straight from Mao's red shirts. I can easily see mobs of brainwashed NPCs committing all sorts of vigilante justice to businesses/business owners who dare to defy the almighty MSM and try to open back up before our globalist overlords deem it "safe".
I saw an article from a local newspaper saying we should consider intermittent social distancing until 2022.
All the momentum we thought we had with Trump, that shit is well and good but it can be wiped out in a fucking week. Whoever decided to run this test scenario has to love the results.
I saw an article from a local newspaper saying we should consider intermittent social distancing until 2022.
Yeah I have been seeing lots of that bullshit lately as well.
Some dude on the TV the other day was seriously suggesting we keep schools closed until winter of 2021!! This shit is absolutely ridiculous.
And yeah, I agree TPTB definitely love what has happened here. This paves the way for a worldwide shutdown virtually any time these assholes want it. Our freedom is merely an illusion.
The MSM is pushing hard the wrong statistics. Most people believe they will die if they leave their home and get the virus. But the virus has a high recovery rate and most people just have mild symptoms. We've shut down the country for this BS?
the virus has a high recovery rate and most people just have mild symptoms. We've shut down the country for this BS?
I've been saying this myself for over a month.
As is the norm with any progressive agenda, the goalposts just keep on moving. At first we had to shut down the economy because we needed to slow the spread, then we needed to continue it so we could 'flatten the curve', then we needed to keep it up until there were enough beds and ventilators at hospitals, now it's become "we have keep shutdown until there is a vaccine".
Now I am seeing people suggesting we continue this madness until 2021 or even 2022!!!! It's such a joke.
Agree. It's frustrating. The good thing is, I do think people are catching on. Ultimately I think people understand that life is full of risks and we can't sit home the rest of our lives waiting for a vaccine that may not show up for months, if ever.
Since we have been on Stay-At-Home orders in MN we have had a spike in fatal car accidents. I don't see people clamoring to ban vehicles. We know there is a risk, we do what we can to be cautious and drive safely. Think of how many people die because of smoking? Yet we still allow people to smoke, buy cigarettes, vape, pipes. Cell phones kill people. Food kills people. Illnesses kill people. At some point we have to assess the overall risk, adjust and move forward. The risk of dying from Covid-19 is pretty small for the majority of people.
You know what is kind of amusing? When I go to the store and I see an obese person wearing a mask. Why? Because heart disease kills more than Covid-19. If they are worried about their health, they would focus more on losing weight and exercising. Yet here they are in a mask...
When I went for a physical a couple weeks ago, I saw a lot of nurses outside the front doors of the clinic talking and laughing it up, as well as a few others just chilling at their COVID stations or just calming walking about.
First thought that came into my mind: "This isn't the disaster area that I was expecting."
Used to work with nurses, mainly the birthing ward(they would bring placentas to us for grossing), i've never seen a more bitchy group. Bitch, bitch, bitch. I understand nurses do an important job, but fuck me alot of them are annoying. Too much estrogen in one place
Nurses, for the most part, deserve praise and perform an incredibly useful role. My brother's an MD and can't sing their praises enough. But (and unfortunately) I've noticed a growing trend from nurses and/or those close to nurses (this is anecdotal, of course, but I know/am friends with a lot of nurses): they have this horrible attitude and bias towards doctors, and even worse, choose to publicly voice it (which is so incredibly unprofessional and emotionally fueled... the same way people in any profession complain about their boss, store manager, etc).
They have this weird superiority and victimhood complex (very similar to the typical liberal/leftist mindset), as if they're somehow smarter and more qualified than doctors, and that they're daily victims of these sadist doctors who get their kicks by making nurses cry (not denying there are bad doctors [and nurses], but it's certainly not most, or so widespread that it explains and justifies hearing this sentiment so regularly from so many nurses). Then there's LNAs, and other job roles that aren't even nurses, that think (and even tell everyone) they're nurses (who coincidentally think they're doctors. It's like an autotech thinking/saying they're a mechanic [another thing I've seen a lot of, having been a mechanic]. They'll go on and on complaining about all the daily tasks they have to perform, as if it weren't part of their job description, and then tie it in to it being all the doctors' fault; then justify it by all the hard work they had to put in with their schooling (which, while it's true they work very hard, completely dismisses and ignores the effort and work doctors put in. Which includes just as difficult a 4 years of undergraduate school, an additional 4 years of far more difficult schooling, typically some time/experience [~2 years] put in after their undergraduate degree, but before med school, to even get into a med school. Years of fellowship+residency consisting of sleepless nights, sleeping in the hospital, being treated shitty by a lot of doctors and nurses alike... the list goes on. Point is... both require a lot of work, 1 far more than the other, but neither of the 2 professions being justified in disparaging the other. But the shittalking comes disproportionately from one of the two)
These stupid videos are in such poor taste, my company laid off over 600 people and one of the VP's who shouldn't be there in the first place was making videos like this as more important people were laid off.
Thanks for sharing your wife's story. Very interesting to hear from someone in Georgia and some behind the scenes information from that area. I have family that are working in MN at hospitals and they say the same things.
It's a shame 22 million Americans have lost their jobs due to shutdowns and stay at home orders under the premise of flattening the curve and keeping hospitals from being overrun with patients, when in most areas hospitals are less busy than normal.
Good friend of mine here in Colorado is an EMT and a Nurse (can you be both? She works an ambulance but is currently in a nurse slot?) anyhow.. her info to me is that the patients they are treating right now are mostly for anxiety and alcohol abuse... nothing to do with the chinese virus. She said we're prepared, but there arent any people to treat. she did say the first few weeks was ultimate chaos though, and they were ill-prepared for what happened.
I was picking up the rest of my stuff from my college dorm room yesterday (I’m a senior & they sent us home a month ago) and, wearing a mask for slightly under 2 hours made my nostrils more sensitive.
Nurses in my state are prepped and ready, but mostly spend their shifts cleaning or taping 6ft markers on floors and walls. A fair number opted for contract or travel nursing gigs in shithole states.
I understand them wanting to have some fun as its a shitty job to do atm. But there is a time and a place to make videos.
This ain't the time and that ain't the place.
But at the end of the day, they are free to do whatever they want in whatever free time they can get. It's just I wouldn't do it as it gives the wrong kind of impression.
Agree. And I don't begrudge someone a light-hearted moment. However, if they have time to do this, it appears the curve is flattened and Americans should be allowed to go back to work.
22 million Americans have lost their jobs so that hospitals wouldn't be overrun with patients. Remember? We were told we needed to stay home to flatten the curve. If nurses have time to make and post videos, I think the rest of America should be able to go back to work.
Remember, the virus will still be out there, but the original objective was to flatten the curve.
We've destroyed our economy to flatten the curve so hospitals would not be overrun with patients and they have time to sit there dancing and making tiktoks? It is infuriating that so many families are struggling with unemployment and financial hardship and these people have such a lack of social awareness.
I personally know many people that now see 1/10th of the amount of patients since the outbreak. It sounds morbid, but the medical industry is reliant on people hurting themselves and death. Can’t die if you stay home all day!
I have treated so called COVID positive patients and I would never self aggrandize myself in full PPE like these ridiculous healthcare workers are doing. It’s cringe and unprofessional.
Look at the recovery rate. Look at the statistics. Here in MN the median age of death is 87 and 98.5% have pre-existing conditions. Under 100 people out of 5.7 million in our state have died of this. It's ridiculous to destroy the economy and upend so many lives over this. Especially when we have a solid, cheap treatment available.
Those people that lost family members won't be thrilled seeing how these nurses had so much time to fool around posting on social media when they should have been putting their energy into patient care.
If there weren't patients in their hospital needing care, than can someone please explain the justification for 22 million people losing their jobs the past few weeks and stay at home orders? Because either you are overrun with patients or we can go back to work.
You will find that the people who put their lives on the line on a regular basis know how to party. This is an indication that it is not over. That being said, yes we need to start opening this country today.
My sister is a RN. She’s telling me that nurses are getting laid off in most states (except NY and NJ) because there isn’t enough patients. Hospitals have been denying beds to people who don’t have Covid because they are anticipating the rush of Covid patients. But the rush of Covid patients has yet to come, so hospitals are laying off their nurses.
She’s a nurse in NC. The hospital she works at is controlled by some corporation that also controls 8 other hospitals in NC. Among all 9 of those hospitals, they have currently 6 admitted Covid patients.
Why do so many people listen to that terrible RnB music, literally every song is him crying about some bitch he met at the club, their voices sound like they have a clothesline clip pinching their nose.
We're destroying our country. The majority of people with this virus recover. Most, have mild symptoms. Why not lockdown assisted living facilities, encourage the elderly to self quarantine, and get everyone else back to work? That way we can develop herd immunity and get this whole thing over with.
22 million people have lost their jobs. Small businesses are struggling. Large businesses are struggling (Disney is losing 30 million dollars a day). Cities will not have enough revenue to function properly. And these nurses have time to screw around making tik tok videos? They completely lack self awareness. If everyone is sheltering in place to help out the hospitals, then the hospitals should be busy. If the hospitals aren't busy, then let people get back to work!
Meanwhile, 22 million Americans have lost their jobs under the premise of shutting down everything and staying home to "flatten the curve" so hospitals would not be overrun with patients.
This is not belittling the nurses. It is saying if they have time to create tik tok videos, then the hospital must not be overrun, so the rest of America can regain their sanity by returning to their jobs so they can feed their families.
Holy shit this pisses me off my mom is a nurse and when she's not working she is making masks for the staff and prisoners at her jail. Doesn't make any sense if your so concerned about COVID 19 do something to actually help instead of fucking dancing on tik tok
One of the charts on this webpage shows how China lied..
Their 'Recovered' numbers are in line with other countries, if China had several hundred thousands of cases, and their reported 'deaths' don't match the rate when compared to other countries with similar 'recovered' numbers.
Looks like a LOT of people (MILLIONS) caught it in China, and hundreds of thousands died, most of the numbers are complete bullshit out of China.
I support the nurses, the videos aren't an issue with me. I've been deployed and found time to fuck off in the chaos. Don't think they aren't doing their part. Perspective is reality, though...
It lacks self awareness. 22 million people have lost their jobs in the past few weeks because we have shut everything down so hospitals would not be overrun with patients. This is a slap in the face to those hard working Americans filing for unemployment because they lost their jobs. We were told hospital workers needed people to stay home to flatten the curve. If they have time for this nonsense, the curve has been flattened and the shutdown should end immediately. If the curve has not been flattened then these fools need to go tend to patients.
22 million people have lost their jobs because their businesses have been forced to shut down. Why? To "flatten the curve" so hospitals wouldn't be overrun with patients. If these fools have time to choreograph tik tok videos, then the curve has been flattened and American's can go back to work.
See the big picture here.
And grow up...Tard? really? What are you third grade?
They're the ones committing insurance fraud by coding everything as COVID-19 too.
Docs determine the ICD Codes, nursing has nothing to do with that.
I am a Covid response team ICU travel nurse to New Jersey, I am literally shocked at how how 90% of the staff sat down 80% of the shift and did nothing. I sat with my patients, rubbed lotion on their cracking skin, and vaseline on their bleeding lips. I still had time to eat lunch, the first time in years as my fellow nurses told me to sit down and relax. Actually appalling.
If you are a nurse, CNA, NAR-if you have time to to -anything- like this you are part of the problem and could be spending your time helping your fellow co-workers, or spending that precious time doing something productive for your patients. If you disagree with me as a nurse, you're salty your laziness is being addressed.
This. Idk why this is even a post. They work 12 hour shifts. This might be the night shift at 3am when all the patients are asleep, or after their shift, so they made a video. I don’t think people here would be complaining if this was construction workers or truck drivers. Also, who fucking thinks that nurses are the ones who diagnose people? How fucking stupid can you be?
Here’s some info for the ignorant cunts that wanna shit on nurses to feel good, since all we do is play cards and shit, right? When nurses diagnose someone, it’s with a “nursing diagnosis.” So if someone has a diagnosis from the doctor of “an upper respiratory infection,” the “nursing diagnosis” is something like “ineffective breathing pattern related to inflammatory process in the respiratory tract as evidenced by cyanosis, use of accessory muscles, tachypnea.”
Not once in there is the virus that is causing the infection ever mentioned. Because that’s not what nurses do. Nurses focus on the direct interventions for the acute issue, be it ineffective breathing, risk for infection, anxiety, things like that. They don’t decide what virus it is or the medications to be given. They certainly don’t decide what the code should be for that patient’s diagnosis. The ignorance of the fuckers here that want to grandstand against literally the most trusted profession in America for almost a decade, the people that will actually take care of you when your fat ass is super sick, is pretty silly. But hey, whatever makes you feel good about yourself I guess. Just keep the people who are gonna be cleaning the shit from your ass, balls, taint and every other nook and cranny that liquid shit can find it’s way into when you’re 80, out of it.
Good post but I don’t think people are frustrated with nurses and doctors making videos.
They’re frustrated that the country is locked down on the premise that the hospitals cannot keep up. That is obviously not true.
Ding ding ding!
Exactly this. Here in KY we are setting up field hospitals all around the state when not one of the hospitals in our state have been over ran with CoViD 19
Docs and nurses in most parts of the country are bored from lack of work. All elective procedures are cancelled and the hospitals are staying empty for a “surge” of patients that may never come. Hospitals and clinics are laying people off, forcing them to take vacation/PTO, and reducing salaries.
We want to work, too. We didn’t decide to shut down the hospitals.
Neither did the nurses and doctors and hospital staff. But there are literally people in this thread saying that nurses and doctors are guilty and frauds as if they have any power. Like I said, it’s like calling me guilty as a Lance Corporal in the Marines for decisions made by the Joint Chiefs. It’s just low IQ scapegoating.
Trump and the governors shut this shit down. It’s better to overreact than under react (politically) in these kinds of situations. I want to go back to work too. I want to be able to go to clinical and not take all my classes online. I wanna go get a fat glass of Basil Hayden’s at my favorite pub. But this thread has become a shit on nurses thread. It’s similar to that dumbass republican in Washington who essentially said all nurses do is play cards. They certainly aren’t the ones keeping your 28week gestation baby alive, or cleaning the liquid shit out of your ass, or changing your nasty wounds on your feet because you didn’t your diabetes seriously. So I’ll take 1000 downvoted for what I said. Idgaf.
I don’t disagree with that. At all. Actually I’m frustrated too. I do take offense to these fuckers saying nurses and doctors are guilty and frauds when those are the first people they would run to if they get sick. Placing your frustration over governmental decisions on working people is just childish and low IQ.
Well that was, a lot.
In response to a lot of ignorant fucks blaming an entire profession for the shutdown they have no control over because the internet told them to be salty about a video a few nurses made. Thanks for contributing tho 😉
Dude I work in a hospital and I cannot stand these videos. People are fucking sick, but the country has to open and their horseshit is not helping anyone.
I don’t like the videos either. I also don’t like people who think nurses diagnose people with covid coming here and spewing ignorant bullshit about a profession that DOES put itself in harms way to take care of people. 6 goofy nurses at a hospital in who knows where is not reflective of the entire profession, and the shitting on every day working Americans because they are too stupid to understand what their scope of practice is is leftist shit.
Found the nurse. Lol. You right though.
Actually in nursing school. Not licensed. They won’t let us go to clinical at all. Which is why I used my post to explain what a nursing diagnosis is for the very very stupid people in this thread who think nurses diagnose people with covid. Just an unbelievable amount of ignorance that I’ll take 1000 downvotes to correct.
We are in lockdown and rights suspended by decree on the premise that doing so would "flatten the curve" to keep the hospitals being overrun. They claimed the hospitals in Italy were worse than a war zone.
We are in week 4/5 of medical fascism lockdown. Do they look like they are over-crowded, under pressure and working in a war zone?
That's hospital administration not the Nurses.
Coding is usually done by low payed people called "Coders," based on the notes by the doctor, and reviewed by medical records or case management, hospital admin usually doesn't get involved.
*Why the fuck are people down voting this? I've been a nurse since 2009, I've never coded anything, I know what I'm talking about, look at this. https://www.indeed.com/q-Medical-Coder-jobs.html
RN since 2001...exactly right we have nothing to do with diagnosing when it comes to billing and the like.
Yea, I was going to say the only codes I deal with are code blues and code browns, but I didn't want to confuse anyone who didn't know what that was.
🤣
Or diagnosing in general. Nursing diagnosis, sure, but you’re never gonna diagnose the specific disease. Pretty sad how many people are speaking with authority about something they couldn’t possibly know less about.
Some people here are as bad as the oblivious-to-facts leftists they so often rail against.
"I don't want the truth! I just want to be angry!"
Some people here ARE oblivious-to-facts leftists, trying to make us look bad and make stupid mistakes.
These neckbeards just want to feel morally superior so they are shitting on a profession that has absolutely nothing to do with these decisions. The most trusted profession in America I might add. I bet it was my fault as a Lance Corporal in the Marines when the CO makes a decision that someone online doesn’t agree with.
Coding is done by "providers"(physicians, NP's, PA's, etc...). Coders are responsible for entering the codes into the system for payment. Good coders can read a document(note) and call a provider for clarification and potential missed billing or overbilling.
Yes, that is completely correct, I'm sorry if anything I said could have been misunderstood as indicating otherwise.
The moral of the story I'm trying to get across, a hospital has a certain amount of people who provide care, doctors, PAs, NPs, RNs, APRNs, CNAs, techs, they are all doing important shit. Then they have this army of billers and coders and MIS and MIT who's only job is to make sure the hospital gets paid for what the other 20% of the staff do.
That's completely fucked up. The fact is at every hospital I worked at more than 50% of the their staff are just there to make sure we get paid is fucked. I worked at a place that didn't know what they were doing, a bunch of local doctors tried to start their own hospital, focused on pt care and not money, and we ended up losing CMS funding and had to sell. That's like watching the American Dream die. Imagine being a surgeon for 20 years, you break away from the crap, and CMS says fuck you, these guys mortgaged their houses, they lost everything.
I'm not sure what I should take from that. Does that mean doctors should be good at being a doctor and not running a business, Yea probably. Did Obamacare's crazy shit about doctor owned facilities not being able to expand their services eventually kill us, yea, yea it did. We were not able to expand to meet the needs of the community, when we tried, Obamacare slapped us down. There were a lot more things in that bill than people ever talk about, like that my hospital couldn't add a cath lab because it was doctor owned.
Codes are put in by the coders based on physician documentation. There are nurses also hired and their position titled clinical documentation specialist. It is their job to review doctors documentation before patient is discharged from the hospital and talk/question the doctors to correctly document diagnosis so that codes can be accurate according to coding guidelines. It’s a very high paying job. Higher than a patient care nurse. Documentation cannot be assumed. It must be clearly documented by the doctor. So if doctor documents anemia it cannot be assumed the type. It must be clearly stated the acuity and the type. Example acute blood loss anemia. Documentation matters. Coding guidelines are strict.
Coders actually make decent money and sometimes more than patient care nurses. The nurses taking care of patients are treated like slaves and low level in the hospital system. It’s sad. It’s not until you get out of patient care you start making more money. It’s crazy and makes me so mad!
It all depends on the company you work for some of them make decent money, but it's less a new grad RN makes.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Medical-Coder-Salary-by-State
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-RN-Salary-by-State
As far as being a nurse and not doing pt care, I did the whole administrator thing for a while, the pay was actually less when you factor not getting over time and weekend and shift differentials. I know a lot of NPs who make less now than they did when they worked the floor.
I will never do admin again, I became a nurse to be a nurse, not to write other nurses up because they got caught eating a slice of cake in the nurse's station.
Yeah I would never go into administration as a nurse! There are other jobs that are not bedside that pay well over what bedside nurses get paid. No overtime either. Bedside nurses can make more by being a travel nurse, agency nurse doing short term contracts or working float pool usually they don’t receive any benefits but can get paid up to $50 hr for experienced nurses. Bedside nurses where I live are lucky to make over $35 hr and that’s with experience. New grads start out around $18 hr. I have a friend who I worked bedside with she’s now moved into administration she works alllllll the time and the stress is ridiculous. It’s not worth it. I have other friends who work on the business side as a nurse and no overtime actually work less hours because they are salary paid and are able to get what they need done in a shorter amount of time they make $95k a year salary and some work from home. They are very happy.
The smartest nurse I ever worked with had this brilliant thing going, she started her own agency and let her husband officially run it, she was the only nurse, but she got paid both what she got paid and what the hospitals paid the agency.
Well, that's about what I make, and I've been a nurse since 2007, but that's a fortune here. I'm not sure I can name anyone making that here except maybe some petroleum engineers, maybe a fuel hauler if he's in overtime. They damn sure don't pay the teachers or anyone in the public sector that. I mean, I do mental health chemical substance rehab, and I work with people who got masters degrees in social work and and they aren't making half that.
Wow, that's insulting.
I'm not sure what you would mean by the work on the business side, but they don't work in administration? Can you explain that to me? I'm interested.
Look into jobs titled utilization review with insurance companies and jobs titled clinical documentation specialist with hospitals. Must be an RN with minimum 5 yrs experience in acute patient care setting. The rest is on the job training.
[Redacted]
Sorry, was having a bad day, I'm in a better mood now.
What I mean when I say low paid, is that coders make less than nurses, a lot less, hospitals have coders code and nurses nurse for exactly that reason. They have bottom lines to feed.
That's not been my experience. I don't know maybe that's something that other places get better than we do where I live, but I've worked at three different hospitals, and I've had the same experience at each one. First as a unit-secretary (or a ward-clerk as we were known in the old days) and now as a charge nurse, my experience is the doctors are expected to clearly outline diagnoses but don't, and the hospital is so hard up to get doctors they let that slide, so the coders and medical billers and case managers and utilization review are combing through notes and dictation looking for the diagnoses, but they aren't medical people, so they don't know, but they are afraid of the doctors, so they call up to the floor, and ask for me, and I have to explain to them what everything means so they can code it. That's probably not how things work at big hospitals, but that's how I've always had it. I didn't think to clarify that, but yea, you are right.
Again, sorry, I was having a bad moment when I replied like that. I lashed out at you when I was upset about something else.
In scrubs?
There is no feedback from people in direct care? They're literally just writing COVID-19 in?
ICD Codes are based on doctor's notes, by law.
So if the notes say there is no visible symptoms and no visible symptoms is listed as a symptom of COVID-19, they can code COVID-19. Which is fair because the CDC is telling them to presume it's the cause.
The doctor would have to have said: "Suspected COVID-19 infection" at some point in his H&P, Daily Rounds Notes, or Discharge Summery before a coder could legally code it as COVID-19. CMS does not fuck around, they shut hospitals down and withhold payments and demand money back over minor infractions when it comes to coding and billing.
I've never seen an alphabet agency do anything but betray Americans. CDC guidelines literally give them cover to presume it's COVID-19.
Regardless, none of these decisions are happening at the nursing level, which is what is being claimed by many many ignorant people in this thread.
I'm no fan of CMS, they actually are the death panels that we were warned Obamacare would bring, little did they know they were already in place. I've seen them and numerous private insurance companies deny life saving procedures based on stupid reasons.
I remember the first time I ever saw that happen, a teenage girl, I think she was 16, needed a certain procedure and her insurance said they wouldn't pay for it because it was an "experimental" procedure, so experimental, that it had been successfully preformed since the 1970s, and this was like 2001. I was so pissed, I wished I could find that person that was like: "Na, cheaper for us if you just die." Then it happened again, and again, and again. I was super pissed at my hospital too, like, "Why can't you just eat the cost of this one, you do emergency surgery on drug dealers who catch a round to chest, why can't you just eat the cost one this one." Whole thing is fucked.
Wait, I got way off track that wasn't what we were talking about at all. Ha ha. The CDC guidelines do say what you said. Those are instructions for doctors and medical examiners. The doctor or the medical examiner can do what they want. The coder can only code what the provider writes, if the doctor writes they were bitten by a vampire, mauled by Bigfoot, then swallowed by Nessie, that's what they are required to code,
This is the correct answer. Useless administrators have corrupted healthcare by molding it around reimbursements and billable charges.
We shall see., they are all guilty, and all committing fraud. Maybe the nurses and docs are just following orders. A lot of that going around these days.
you are doing/implying the same thing to doctors, that you're accusing this comment and the original post of implying/doing to nurses. Individual doctors and nurses (at least the vast majority) are not doing anything nefarious or malicious, certainly not with intent, and (again, for the most part) deserve nothing but our praises and accolades, especially now.
I don't know when this started, but I've been noticing for years this tendency -- typically from nurses, or those directly related -- to shit on doctors as arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic assholes/sadists. Again, generalizing, and sure it's true/applicable to some doctors (just as some of the most negative stereotypes of nurses are sometimes true/applicable), but it's generally the exception, and not the rule, and most people who choose to become doctors, just the same as most who choose to become nurses, tend to do so because they genuinely want to help the sick.
None of this is to imply that there's no fuckery going on right now... quite the opposite; there's plenty. But it originates from a number of individuals, organizations, systems, processes, etc, where it's near impossible to point a finger directly. But broadly speaking, it's not your average doctor, nurse, scientist, etc, but stems more from bureaucracy and corruption (where, at worst, individual doctors and nurses might be unwitting participants. The exceptions are your Fauci and Birx types, who are better described as bureaucrats and politicians than practicing MDs)
You just described the class tension in the military between officers and enlisted. Some enlisted hate officers for being elitist pricks, while some officers do look down their noses at NCOs and privates. But the vast majority of the time respect is given all the way around. Except for generals and shit, they’re all politician asshoes
Sounds about right (I don't have any military experience). So, generals would be like... the hospital admin/board, or maybe like heads of dept of health, CDC or WHO equivalents.
But certainly, respect tends to flow both ways between doctors and nurses, and the majority of both tend to be there for the right reasons, and understand their roles, as well as their counterpart's roles. Unfortunately, I do see (anecdotally) a disproportionate level of totally unjustified disrespect and shittalking from 1 of the 2 professions (who ironically think it's the other way around)
You’re a fucking retard. Nurses are paid to give direct care to patients, not made decisions about diagnosis or ventilators. This is like getting mad at Walmart cashiers in Michigan because Gov HalfWit banned the sale of vegetable seeds. I’d love to know what profession you’re in so I can help your little brain understand just how stupid of a comment that was. You’ll be real grateful for those fraudulent health care workers when your can’t control your bladder anymore and some piece of shit asshole nurse is cleaning your little cock and balls so you don’t have skin break down, get an infection, and die of sepsis.
Spez: Downvote me all you want, but I’m right and you’re wrong because I actually know what the fuck I’m talking about and you don’t. Nurses almost always follow orders (Unless they are advocating on your behalf against the doctor/hospital), because doctors write “orders.” That’s what they’re called when a doctor puts a medication in your MAR for the nurse to give you. It’s called an “order.”
Nurses don’t diagnose and their documentation does not determine coding. Doctor documentation determines codes according the coding guidelines. There are coders who code the charts based on physician documentation and clinical evidence to back it up. Current coding guidelines require the covid code to be the Principal diagnosis which categorized the chart into what’s called DRG (diagnostic related groups) then there are secondary diagnosis that follow. The current DRG for COVID is 177, 178 listed as a respiratory infections DRG. Covid must be positive by test or suspected. You can’t just write any diagnosis and code it. There must be supportive clinical evidence throughout the chart. The same goes with any other diagnosis. It must be treated monitored and evaluated. Can be suspected, probable or likely to code. After a coder codes the chart it’s sent to billing. They then have nurses who scour the chart to try to deny any codes adding money it’s a multiplayer system. The hospitals hire nurses to review charts while patients are inpatient to make sure doctor documentation is correct so that correct codes can be captured according to coding guidelines. For example a patient comes in with a gastrointestinal bleeding and anemia. Doctor documents anemia due to GI bleed. There are many codes for anemia and nothing can be assumed and must be documented by the provider. So the clinical documentation specialist nurse will them ask the doctor for more specific anemia such as acute blood loss anemia. Doctor then documents and this adds money to the chart and a more accurate/detailed diagnosis. Current coding guidelines require COVID cases to be coded as COVID code as pdx and if patient develops viral pneumonia that will be a secondary code that adds weight (money) to the account.
Listen you heartless bastard, they’re out there on the FRONT LINES OK? And every day they are facing the most unthinkable terrors, and still making amazingly choreographed videos. Every day they are in fear the new video might not get so many views, might be uploaded a little late, that they won’t have a good idea in time. They have to secure PPE, masks, ventilators, in order to have some props to use in the videos. They are working tirelessly to make sure that we don’t have another Macarena on our hands. Maybe you should do your part while these amazing whores twerk for your life.
I loled. Nice!
Twerk for your life, haha
Copypasta is tastiest pasta.
STAY HOME FOR THEM
SO THEY CAN WORK FOR US or something
Hashtag STAYTHEFUCKHOME
We are facing a fucking flu, people! This is the new normal! Muh corona! Flatten muh curve! Muh social distancing!!
Hashtag FRONTLINEHEROES HASHTAG WORLDWAR3
1 tiktok video share = 1 life saved from the rona!!
This kind of behavior is just in bad taste. If I was a nurse and someone said, "hey wanna make tik tok video with us" I would say no
No because tiktok is fucking retarded
And Chinese spyware.
And... Americans are dying
never seen so many people so willing to give over their personal info and face data to china and big tech.
Ever worked in healthcare? I generally enjoyed it but none of this is very surprising. Healthcare admin is diversity quotas. Nurses are either fucking great or fucking bad, and it is usually on a unit by unit basis.
And now they have the opportunity to get internet points and attention by being pretend war heroes against the flu.
We are experiencing a giant LARP.
This exactly. The types that would do this are the attention whores. The real solid nurses are in the back charting and shit wondering what the fuck these idiots are doing in the halls. Its fucking embarrassing. Most likely these are new nurses or mostly nurses aids.
They're on the FRONT LINES. So fucking sick of that BS.
-Someone who's patrolled in a combat zone for a 7 month deployment
Did you tell a nurse "thank you for your service" today?
Truth! As a nurse working 12 hr shifts in the hospital I never had any time for selfies or dancing. I’m to busy working and lucky to get a pee break or a lunch break. Day shift is much different than night shift though.
When I worked the ER the other shift, (not the one I was on) got written up for doing a Harlem Shake video. This kind of stuff happens a lot more often than you would think.
Right up there with teachers.
Hell, I bet teachers right now are incredibly jealous they don't get to "be on the frontlines" of World War 3.
related
THANK ME FOR MY SERVICE
Yeah it’s weird (nurse here) I never understood the self righteous behavior. It’s super annoying to me. Like chill and do your job. Don’t think you’re so great for doing your f*king job.
Hospitals in NH are laying people off and asking the remaining to use up vacation time. Elliot, sister hospitals announce furloughs, pay cuts for 20% of workforce
Happening in South Carolina, too.
Looks like there is no reason America can't get back to work!
At my mom’s hospital they had about 4 of these sweet and sour sicken patients, but they’re still busy enough not to have time to make tiktok videos
Sweet and Sour Sicken. Good shit.
Shanghai Shivers
Cantonese Cough
Mandarin Malady
Coughing Tiger, Hacking Dragon
The CCPV - CCP Virus
Oh, that's a good one! Jackie 4Chan would approve
Is it weird that I'm hungry now?
Hong Kong Fluey. Kung Flu [or] Kung Flu Sicken. So many possibilities!
Good luck.
The MSM has convinced half the population that even considering lifting the quarantine ban at the end of the month will surely kill us all. Some cuck on the radio the other day said cancelling concerts and events throughout the summer is the only responsible thing we can do.
Quite honestly, this is starting to mirror a situation straight from Mao's red shirts. I can easily see mobs of brainwashed NPCs committing all sorts of vigilante justice to businesses/business owners who dare to defy the almighty MSM and try to open back up before our globalist overlords deem it "safe".
I saw an article from a local newspaper saying we should consider intermittent social distancing until 2022.
All the momentum we thought we had with Trump, that shit is well and good but it can be wiped out in a fucking week. Whoever decided to run this test scenario has to love the results.
See ya next flu season.
Yeah I have been seeing lots of that bullshit lately as well.
Some dude on the TV the other day was seriously suggesting we keep schools closed until winter of 2021!! This shit is absolutely ridiculous.
And yeah, I agree TPTB definitely love what has happened here. This paves the way for a worldwide shutdown virtually any time these assholes want it. Our freedom is merely an illusion.
Roof Korean time?
The MSM is pushing hard the wrong statistics. Most people believe they will die if they leave their home and get the virus. But the virus has a high recovery rate and most people just have mild symptoms. We've shut down the country for this BS?
I've been saying this myself for over a month.
As is the norm with any progressive agenda, the goalposts just keep on moving. At first we had to shut down the economy because we needed to slow the spread, then we needed to continue it so we could 'flatten the curve', then we needed to keep it up until there were enough beds and ventilators at hospitals, now it's become "we have keep shutdown until there is a vaccine".
Now I am seeing people suggesting we continue this madness until 2021 or even 2022!!!! It's such a joke.
Agree. It's frustrating. The good thing is, I do think people are catching on. Ultimately I think people understand that life is full of risks and we can't sit home the rest of our lives waiting for a vaccine that may not show up for months, if ever.
Since we have been on Stay-At-Home orders in MN we have had a spike in fatal car accidents. I don't see people clamoring to ban vehicles. We know there is a risk, we do what we can to be cautious and drive safely. Think of how many people die because of smoking? Yet we still allow people to smoke, buy cigarettes, vape, pipes. Cell phones kill people. Food kills people. Illnesses kill people. At some point we have to assess the overall risk, adjust and move forward. The risk of dying from Covid-19 is pretty small for the majority of people.
You know what is kind of amusing? When I go to the store and I see an obese person wearing a mask. Why? Because heart disease kills more than Covid-19. If they are worried about their health, they would focus more on losing weight and exercising. Yet here they are in a mask...
When I went for a physical a couple weeks ago, I saw a lot of nurses outside the front doors of the clinic talking and laughing it up, as well as a few others just chilling at their COVID stations or just calming walking about.
First thought that came into my mind: "This isn't the disaster area that I was expecting."
It would help if the transmission and mortality models weren't Chinese
Bro it's World War 3
half of 'em smoking, too, if it's anything like outside my local hospital and nursing school
22 million Americans have lost their jobs for this?
My gf in high school did this shit and called it studying. THEY LEARNED THIS IN SCHOOL LMFAO
The main objective of public school is to produce retards.
Who knew they were successful at something ?
Just think of them as:
Gub'nah Ralphs Dancin' Virgins
Gub'nah Ralph: "Nah, les get back aht the-ah and strangles some babies!"
GovernorGub'nah Blackface "Coonman" McKlanrobes.Gub'nah Ralph: "Ahm thu 'GUB'NAH'... get E-it rahyt!"
Used to work with nurses, mainly the birthing ward(they would bring placentas to us for grossing), i've never seen a more bitchy group. Bitch, bitch, bitch. I understand nurses do an important job, but fuck me alot of them are annoying. Too much estrogen in one place
I once transferred to a new branch of a company I was working for and ended up working with 18 females and me.
I felt like I had 18 platonic girlfriends who all took their tension out on the guy.
Now I work with 100's of dudes. No homo I love sausage parties.
Nurses, for the most part, deserve praise and perform an incredibly useful role. My brother's an MD and can't sing their praises enough. But (and unfortunately) I've noticed a growing trend from nurses and/or those close to nurses (this is anecdotal, of course, but I know/am friends with a lot of nurses): they have this horrible attitude and bias towards doctors, and even worse, choose to publicly voice it (which is so incredibly unprofessional and emotionally fueled... the same way people in any profession complain about their boss, store manager, etc).
They have this weird superiority and victimhood complex (very similar to the typical liberal/leftist mindset), as if they're somehow smarter and more qualified than doctors, and that they're daily victims of these sadist doctors who get their kicks by making nurses cry (not denying there are bad doctors [and nurses], but it's certainly not most, or so widespread that it explains and justifies hearing this sentiment so regularly from so many nurses). Then there's LNAs, and other job roles that aren't even nurses, that think (and even tell everyone) they're nurses (who coincidentally think they're doctors. It's like an autotech thinking/saying they're a mechanic [another thing I've seen a lot of, having been a mechanic]. They'll go on and on complaining about all the daily tasks they have to perform, as if it weren't part of their job description, and then tie it in to it being all the doctors' fault; then justify it by all the hard work they had to put in with their schooling (which, while it's true they work very hard, completely dismisses and ignores the effort and work doctors put in. Which includes just as difficult a 4 years of undergraduate school, an additional 4 years of far more difficult schooling, typically some time/experience [~2 years] put in after their undergraduate degree, but before med school, to even get into a med school. Years of fellowship+residency consisting of sleepless nights, sleeping in the hospital, being treated shitty by a lot of doctors and nurses alike... the list goes on. Point is... both require a lot of work, 1 far more than the other, but neither of the 2 professions being justified in disparaging the other. But the shittalking comes disproportionately from one of the two)
These stupid videos are in such poor taste, my company laid off over 600 people and one of the VP's who shouldn't be there in the first place was making videos like this as more important people were laid off.
Piss Poor judgement
My hospital is DEAD. They are cutting hrs now
America needs to get back to work. Clearly, the curve has flattened.
Thanks for sharing your wife's story. Very interesting to hear from someone in Georgia and some behind the scenes information from that area. I have family that are working in MN at hospitals and they say the same things.
It's a shame 22 million Americans have lost their jobs due to shutdowns and stay at home orders under the premise of flattening the curve and keeping hospitals from being overrun with patients, when in most areas hospitals are less busy than normal.
I served 20 years in the military and while on deployment if we had down time I'd hit the rack and rub one out. To hell with making tiktok shit.
Good friend of mine here in Colorado is an EMT and a Nurse (can you be both? She works an ambulance but is currently in a nurse slot?) anyhow.. her info to me is that the patients they are treating right now are mostly for anxiety and alcohol abuse... nothing to do with the chinese virus. She said we're prepared, but there arent any people to treat. she did say the first few weeks was ultimate chaos though, and they were ill-prepared for what happened.
So it's peaked, then.
Let's get back to work.
We haven't yet hit peak retard tho..
never go peak retard
Unfortunately, no we haven't.
Ive seen a lot of cases of "headaches" come through our ER. No doubt from people wearing masks all day and sucking in too much CO2.
I was picking up the rest of my stuff from my college dorm room yesterday (I’m a senior & they sent us home a month ago) and, wearing a mask for slightly under 2 hours made my nostrils more sensitive.
That chaos the first few weeks was probably hypochondriacs and people with a cough demanding a test.
Tone deaf
Nurses in my state are prepped and ready, but mostly spend their shifts cleaning or taping 6ft markers on floors and walls. A fair number opted for contract or travel nursing gigs in shithole states.
That's fucking stupid.
We / public at large are idiots consuming this BS
I understand them wanting to have some fun as its a shitty job to do atm. But there is a time and a place to make videos.
This ain't the time and that ain't the place.
But at the end of the day, they are free to do whatever they want in whatever free time they can get. It's just I wouldn't do it as it gives the wrong kind of impression.
Nurses can tiktok, but Trump can’t golf.
Good ole leftist logic.
Humans for the most part will always try to find ways to lighten the mood.
Agree. And I don't begrudge someone a light-hearted moment. However, if they have time to do this, it appears the curve is flattened and Americans should be allowed to go back to work.
22 million Americans have lost their jobs so that hospitals wouldn't be overrun with patients. Remember? We were told we needed to stay home to flatten the curve. If nurses have time to make and post videos, I think the rest of America should be able to go back to work.
Remember, the virus will still be out there, but the original objective was to flatten the curve.
Indeed!
Sickening, really..
We've destroyed our economy to flatten the curve so hospitals would not be overrun with patients and they have time to sit there dancing and making tiktoks? It is infuriating that so many families are struggling with unemployment and financial hardship and these people have such a lack of social awareness.
I thought bodies were being stored in hallways and portable freezer containers. This place looks pretty chill.
I completely forgot about that. Yeah, that adds a whole other level to this.
Never trust a morbidly obese healthcare worker to give you health advice or treatment.
Has to be around half of em
I personally know many people that now see 1/10th of the amount of patients since the outbreak. It sounds morbid, but the medical industry is reliant on people hurting themselves and death. Can’t die if you stay home all day!
Well, I am waiting for the suicides to go up and spike in domestic violence, which has already started in my area.
I have treated so called COVID positive patients and I would never self aggrandize myself in full PPE like these ridiculous healthcare workers are doing. It’s cringe and unprofessional.
Open the damn country!
Hospitals are not busy. Media is lying. Nurses are not working NON-stop.
This virus has been bullshit from the start and I bet Trump knew this and everyone else is starting to figure it out.
Look at the recovery rate. Look at the statistics. Here in MN the median age of death is 87 and 98.5% have pre-existing conditions. Under 100 people out of 5.7 million in our state have died of this. It's ridiculous to destroy the economy and upend so many lives over this. Especially when we have a solid, cheap treatment available.
Those people that lost family members won't be thrilled seeing how these nurses had so much time to fool around posting on social media when they should have been putting their energy into patient care.
If there weren't patients in their hospital needing care, than can someone please explain the justification for 22 million people losing their jobs the past few weeks and stay at home orders? Because either you are overrun with patients or we can go back to work.
You will find that the people who put their lives on the line on a regular basis know how to party. This is an indication that it is not over. That being said, yes we need to start opening this country today.
My sister is a RN. She’s telling me that nurses are getting laid off in most states (except NY and NJ) because there isn’t enough patients. Hospitals have been denying beds to people who don’t have Covid because they are anticipating the rush of Covid patients. But the rush of Covid patients has yet to come, so hospitals are laying off their nurses.
She’s a nurse in NC. The hospital she works at is controlled by some corporation that also controls 8 other hospitals in NC. Among all 9 of those hospitals, they have currently 6 admitted Covid patients.
Open the damn country back up
Why do so many people listen to that terrible RnB music, literally every song is him crying about some bitch he met at the club, their voices sound like they have a clothesline clip pinching their nose.
My sister works in the medical field, she and everyone she knows has been furloughed.
What are we even doing?
We're destroying our country. The majority of people with this virus recover. Most, have mild symptoms. Why not lockdown assisted living facilities, encourage the elderly to self quarantine, and get everyone else back to work? That way we can develop herd immunity and get this whole thing over with.
22 million people have lost their jobs. Small businesses are struggling. Large businesses are struggling (Disney is losing 30 million dollars a day). Cities will not have enough revenue to function properly. And these nurses have time to screw around making tik tok videos? They completely lack self awareness. If everyone is sheltering in place to help out the hospitals, then the hospitals should be busy. If the hospitals aren't busy, then let people get back to work!
Wish you would've chosen any other corp besides Disney.
I do not give a flying fuck what happens to Disney.
I understand. However, Disney is a huge employer. Many families rely on paychecks from Disney.
I tend to agree, but everyone needs to blow off some steam. They aren't robots.
It's not about them blowing off steam. It's about getting America back to work.
We don't get America back to work by belittling their attempt to maintain their sanity.
Meanwhile, 22 million Americans have lost their jobs under the premise of shutting down everything and staying home to "flatten the curve" so hospitals would not be overrun with patients.
This is not belittling the nurses. It is saying if they have time to create tik tok videos, then the hospital must not be overrun, so the rest of America can regain their sanity by returning to their jobs so they can feed their families.
The fact that they had time to do this is zero indication of the status of hospital utilization. It's a specious emotional argument.
I disagree
Especially on TOKTOK
Holy shit this pisses me off my mom is a nurse and when she's not working she is making masks for the staff and prisoners at her jail. Doesn't make any sense if your so concerned about COVID 19 do something to actually help instead of fucking dancing on tik tok
One of the charts on this webpage shows how China lied..
Their 'Recovered' numbers are in line with other countries, if China had several hundred thousands of cases, and their reported 'deaths' don't match the rate when compared to other countries with similar 'recovered' numbers.
Looks like a LOT of people (MILLIONS) caught it in China, and hundreds of thousands died, most of the numbers are complete bullshit out of China.
Agree. Open us back up!
b got nice dance moves doh
How dare you, don't you think plague docs in medieval Europe did the same type things to relieve stress back then!
I support the nurses, the videos aren't an issue with me. I've been deployed and found time to fuck off in the chaos. Don't think they aren't doing their part. Perspective is reality, though...
It lacks self awareness. 22 million people have lost their jobs in the past few weeks because we have shut everything down so hospitals would not be overrun with patients. This is a slap in the face to those hard working Americans filing for unemployment because they lost their jobs. We were told hospital workers needed people to stay home to flatten the curve. If they have time for this nonsense, the curve has been flattened and the shutdown should end immediately. If the curve has not been flattened then these fools need to go tend to patients.
You're a tard...
22 million people have lost their jobs because their businesses have been forced to shut down. Why? To "flatten the curve" so hospitals wouldn't be overrun with patients. If these fools have time to choreograph tik tok videos, then the curve has been flattened and American's can go back to work.
See the big picture here.
And grow up...Tard? really? What are you third grade?