Since this got stickied, I will share her text message:
"I just want you to know that I've denounced the DNC. I still hate Trump because of his horribly immoral rhetoric and catering to rich people and his family and stuff, but I'm a lot more open to trying to understand why someone might have supported him for other reasons. I've watched the democratic establishment make the same "mistake" again this primary season and seen how vicious and unfair they are to progressives and how full of shit and hypocritical they are propping up the people that they are, covering up for them, etc. I can't believe I fell for it. I hate it because it's driving people further right and they clearly aren't actually giving a shit about the lower income people, they're clearly still corporate shills and one percenters just for a different brand of rich folk than the right are. And it breaks my heart and I'm very disgusted with it. And I just want you to know that I've opened my eyes to that. I'm still obviously a very left leaning progressive idealistic person but... fuck the establishment."
She went on to talk about how the DNC hard liners are now attacking Bernier supporters because they won't support Biden.
This is progress between her and me. This is a daughter that was, at one time, talking about disowning me because I support President Trump.
I will but in baby steps. Right now I'm hoping she just starts watching some of Tim Pools videos. I think they will be eye opening for her. I also mentioned blexit and Candace Owens for her to look into. Just to open her eyes to the fact that you don't have to be a progressive to care about other people and want a better life for everyone.
There was a post either here or on Reddit I saw a while back, it showed all the good things Trump has done that nobody will ever see because nobody will report it...things like Trump letting a family live in one of his Hotels for a year free because they were on hard times, a black family. It was good, try to find that and show her
This is absolutely the right move. When someone is breaking away from the propaganda, there are three key factors determining the success of their wake-up attempt:
1, They must have had some kind of traumatic/shocking event shatter some part of their long-standing world view (in this case, "your chosen candidate being backstabbed again, and then that candidate being forced to endorse the clearly-incompetent alternative" would be enough).
2, They must have access to fully-documented-and-sourced information disproving the propaganda which they can freely browse/study/crunch at their own pace.
3, Most importantly, THEY have to CHOOSE to research the info OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. Attempting to force-feed them 'red-pills' can have the opposite effect, causing them to reject the information outright and purposely avoid those topics in the future. NO ONE can force you to wake up, YOU have to MAKE THAT CHOICE YOURSELF.
If she doesn't like Tim Pool, other good options include Philip DeFranco, Dave Rubin, and Joe Rogan. The goal is NOT to show her right-wing or deeply-conservative videos, but to introduce her to fellow Bernie supporters who can best show her how Trump's platform is actually very similar to Bernie's in a lot of ways. That way, she's still in a comfortable environment, but she's being given easy access to plenty of information disproving the propaganda.
There is also Dr. Karlyn Borysenko's Youtube channel.
She is a lifelong Democrat who was recently redpilled. She's the one who wrote the article about going to the Trump rally as a Democrat and finding out that nothing she had heard about the rallies and about Trump supporters was true.
She used to HATE Trump with a passion. She had TDS really bad. But she saw the vileness of the "progressives," and started to wonder about "the other side."
After the Trump rally and the mostly favorable article she wrote about it, she took crap from leftards for telling the truth. She decided to #walkaway, but she still wouldn't embrace Trump or Republicans. However, more recently, she gave in and said she'll vote for Trump and all Republican down ballot.
I don't think Dr. Karlyn Borysenko was ever a commie obsessed with Bernie, with corporations, and with 1-percenters BS, but she is a millennial (by a thread, since she is 38, but still a millennial), she was a "progressive," she hated Trump, she walked away from the DNC but still didn't embrace Trump and Republicans, and now, even though she doesn't love Trump like we do, still disagrees with some policies, still thinks he lies (but not badly and not always), and etc., she certainly sees the good about him, she will vote for him, she will vote Republican, and she wants to see the DemocRAT party destroyed.
Her Youtube channel started with videos about workplace stuff, as she has some kind of workplace consulting business, but after the Trump rally article, which brought praise but also a lot of bashing from leftards, she posted a video responding to the bashing, which also had a lot of views, then she went to CPAC and posted a video about it, then she made a video about why she became a Democrat and what made her walk away, and from then on, most of her videos are about politics. Since her videos are about different things, she has a "purely politics," playlist, and that's what I'm linking to below.
My daughter in college, after voting for Trump in 2016, became enamored with Tulsi Gabbard last summer. She had only spoken to me once since September after I told her the DNC would never allow Gabbard to be the nominee, and I also wouldn't join in with her on hating Trump. But once the dem candidates came down to Bernie and Biden, she was done. She said the democrats deserve whatever happens and has been talking to me ever since!
God, I can only hope my son comes to this conclusion. He doesn't support the Dims but is a fervent Bernie Bro. He can not understand why I love Trump and I can't understand how he can not.
Listen. I've been through some really rough times with this daughter. Especially during 2015. She didn't speak to me for a year because of my support for Trump. It hurt so much, I really felt absolutely devastated that my daughter would just toss me away like that over politics. People kept telling me to be patient with her and just be her mother. And that's what I did. I didn't bring up politics and when she did I changed the subject. She moved earlier this year and I went to help her pack and then went back to help her on moving day. I still called her and took her to dinner for her birthday, sent cards just to say hey. (I'm one of those people that still will send snail mail cards bc I think it matters).
I did all that knowing she said our future relationship depended on what happened in November this year. Because I'm her mother. She can walk away from me over politics if that's what she wants to do but I won't be doing the same.
So yeah, getting that text today brought tears to my eyes. And I'm telling you all this just to say just be mom or dad, whichever applies. Show them the way with your actions.
Crazy that we can get separated from our kids by who we voted for, isn't it. My son has finally accepted that I love our President and will never change my mind, although he tries. He lives in Italy and teaches English at a University there and can out talk me every time. I will never win a point. So I guess all we can be is a Mom and love them. Bless you, keep the faith and KAG
It's a sign of the times. But to be clear, these times come and go, and have reoccurred throughout history. While The Patriot isn't the most historically accurate movie on the Revolution in a lot of ways, it does depict a very real and accurate situation that can arise out of politics (Where Gibson's character and his son [Heath Ledger] are in disagreement, politically, as to whether or not America should go to war. Gibson is just looking out for his son, and having fought in wars himself, is scared to see his son's advocacy for Revolution and desire to fight in it, so Gibson remains a loyalist. Still, he remains a father, first. Though ultimately it's Gibson that comes around, politically, and more motivated by [Spoiler alert if you're really late to the game] vengeance against the Red Coats that killed his kids)
Forgive her. From your description, I can guarantee she is in or has been to college, because that’s where she was brainwashed. That kind of thing is just not normal.
My brother has a similar feeling about Trump. He ranted to me the other day because I played one of the press briefings. I’ve never been able to get him to explain what it is about our President that triggers him so much.
Deep down though, I know what it is. Donald Trump has been sent by God. It’s a spiritual thing. Those who are under the thrall of evil are repulsed by a son of God, just as we are repulsed by the likes of the children of Satan (ex. Nancy Pelosi)
All we can do is pray for them; that they may one day repent, forgive, and see the light.
I used to be a hardcore Bernie Bro too. I canvassed for him here in CA and even went to canvass for him in Phoenix for a couple of days before the Arizona primaries. However, I grew disenchanted with him and the left in general. It first started when I got to see how radical and full of hatred the left was becoming. Initially, when I was volunteering with Bernie in Phoenix, most of my fellow volunteers were great people. We didn't care whether you were Republican or Democrat. We believed that while there were some evil people out there, most just had different views on how to make America better. When I was volunteering for Bernie in CA, I mentioned to my fellow volunteers about the mass rape that Muslim migrants were committing in Europe (i.e. Sweden & Colonge, Germany). To my surprise, no-one seemed interested. This was one of the things that made me walk away. When many on the left hear of crimes committed by minorities, they have no interest, no matter how horrible the crime was. It was as if minorities should be allowed to get away with crimes, even those as horrible as rape. When I was accepted to serve as a one-day student lobbyist in Sacramento in college, one of the speakers who spoke to the students told everyone that America was a racist country in which African-Americans were suppressed. But he only gave examples of discrimination before the civil rights era and even told the audience that he wanted to protect young African-Americans from "white ideologies." I guess he didn't quite like representative democracy, constitutionalism, and separation of powers. Despite his comments, almost everyone in the room clapped. When I mentioned that we should try to bridge gaps between campus clubs of various political persuasions. I was snubbed. Beforehand, I had thought that we on the left were the "good side." However, my time at the university along with news I saw coming from other campuses, proved me wrong. I then began to see news and youtube vids that introduced me to right's perspective. All of this helped me shift more and more towards the right. I know many on here don't like Ben Shapiro, but he was vital in helping me make that shift. John Stossel videos on youtube also helped me and my parents lose confidence in leftist economics. If you want to redpill your son, John Stossel, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell vids might help. Dave Rubin's first interview with Larry Elder may redpill your son like it red pilled Dave haha. Sorry for the long post. I hope your are able to convert your fam!
Thank you for that. It just gets me that these young folks think that this is the worst country in the world. Bless their little hearts - they could have been born in any number of shithole countries and they should be extremely grateful that they were born in the greatest country ever. I tried to explain to my son that anytime the gov't gets involved in anything, they fuck it up. We had this conversation regarding Obama care. We all know how that turned out. In the 90s I had breast cancer and Kaiser covered ALL the surgeries, chemo and radiation. I think I paid $50 out of pocket. My bosses wife was diagnosed with Non Hodgkins Lymphoma recently and is undergoing chemo and various other procedures. My boss has probably put out about $30K in fees so far.- this is Kaiser. Anyway, thank you for the info - and don't forget to KAG
So glad for your relationship that she has made this bit of progress.
Regarding her complaining about the DNC hardliners attacking Bernouts for not supporting Biden, perhaps there's a non-snarky way you can let her know you perfectly understand what it's like to be relentlessly attacked by your own party because of the candidate you support.
Yes. in time, slowly. Her pride took a big hit in even admitting that much to me. I'm just being mom and showing her through my actions. If her mom, who is not a nazi, racist, rapist, wealthy, cares about nobody but myself kind of person... If her mom can be a Trump supporter perhaps he's not so bad.
I know, baby steps. She's been fed a lot of lies, and being hit with too much truth all at once would do more harm than good. Praying she continues to wake up.
Since this got stickied, I will share her text message:
"I just want you to know that I've denounced the DNC. I still hate Trump because of his horribly immoral rhetoric and catering to rich people and his family and stuff, but I'm a lot more open to trying to understand why someone might have supported him for other reasons. I've watched the democratic establishment make the same "mistake" again this primary season and seen how vicious and unfair they are to progressives and how full of shit and hypocritical they are propping up the people that they are, covering up for them, etc. I can't believe I fell for it. I hate it because it's driving people further right and they clearly aren't actually giving a shit about the lower income people, they're clearly still corporate shills and one percenters just for a different brand of rich folk than the right are. And it breaks my heart and I'm very disgusted with it. And I just want you to know that I've opened my eyes to that. I'm still obviously a very left leaning progressive idealistic person but... fuck the establishment."
She went on to talk about how the DNC hard liners are now attacking Bernier supporters because they won't support Biden.
This is progress between her and me. This is a daughter that was, at one time, talking about disowning me because I support President Trump.
If she cares about the poor, quote the labor statistics thst show the greatest wealth gain during Trump's presidency has been the lower quartile.
I will but in baby steps. Right now I'm hoping she just starts watching some of Tim Pools videos. I think they will be eye opening for her. I also mentioned blexit and Candace Owens for her to look into. Just to open her eyes to the fact that you don't have to be a progressive to care about other people and want a better life for everyone.
There was a post either here or on Reddit I saw a while back, it showed all the good things Trump has done that nobody will ever see because nobody will report it...things like Trump letting a family live in one of his Hotels for a year free because they were on hard times, a black family. It was good, try to find that and show her
This is absolutely the right move. When someone is breaking away from the propaganda, there are three key factors determining the success of their wake-up attempt:
1, They must have had some kind of traumatic/shocking event shatter some part of their long-standing world view (in this case, "your chosen candidate being backstabbed again, and then that candidate being forced to endorse the clearly-incompetent alternative" would be enough).
2, They must have access to fully-documented-and-sourced information disproving the propaganda which they can freely browse/study/crunch at their own pace.
3, Most importantly, THEY have to CHOOSE to research the info OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL. Attempting to force-feed them 'red-pills' can have the opposite effect, causing them to reject the information outright and purposely avoid those topics in the future. NO ONE can force you to wake up, YOU have to MAKE THAT CHOICE YOURSELF.
If she doesn't like Tim Pool, other good options include Philip DeFranco, Dave Rubin, and Joe Rogan. The goal is NOT to show her right-wing or deeply-conservative videos, but to introduce her to fellow Bernie supporters who can best show her how Trump's platform is actually very similar to Bernie's in a lot of ways. That way, she's still in a comfortable environment, but she's being given easy access to plenty of information disproving the propaganda.
There is also Dr. Karlyn Borysenko's Youtube channel.
She is a lifelong Democrat who was recently redpilled. She's the one who wrote the article about going to the Trump rally as a Democrat and finding out that nothing she had heard about the rallies and about Trump supporters was true.
She used to HATE Trump with a passion. She had TDS really bad. But she saw the vileness of the "progressives," and started to wonder about "the other side."
After the Trump rally and the mostly favorable article she wrote about it, she took crap from leftards for telling the truth. She decided to #walkaway, but she still wouldn't embrace Trump or Republicans. However, more recently, she gave in and said she'll vote for Trump and all Republican down ballot.
I don't think Dr. Karlyn Borysenko was ever a commie obsessed with Bernie, with corporations, and with 1-percenters BS, but she is a millennial (by a thread, since she is 38, but still a millennial), she was a "progressive," she hated Trump, she walked away from the DNC but still didn't embrace Trump and Republicans, and now, even though she doesn't love Trump like we do, still disagrees with some policies, still thinks he lies (but not badly and not always), and etc., she certainly sees the good about him, she will vote for him, she will vote Republican, and she wants to see the DemocRAT party destroyed.
Her Youtube channel started with videos about workplace stuff, as she has some kind of workplace consulting business, but after the Trump rally article, which brought praise but also a lot of bashing from leftards, she posted a video responding to the bashing, which also had a lot of views, then she went to CPAC and posted a video about it, then she made a video about why she became a Democrat and what made her walk away, and from then on, most of her videos are about politics. Since her videos are about different things, she has a "purely politics," playlist, and that's what I'm linking to below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y40awBbElHI&list=PLesfTLM8pUeEpDK6fZWXYxuAUcDLFN3g7
Have her read/listen to The Conservative Heart as well! Great book.
Tim Poole is a good gateway from progressive to Trump.
My daughter in college, after voting for Trump in 2016, became enamored with Tulsi Gabbard last summer. She had only spoken to me once since September after I told her the DNC would never allow Gabbard to be the nominee, and I also wouldn't join in with her on hating Trump. But once the dem candidates came down to Bernie and Biden, she was done. She said the democrats deserve whatever happens and has been talking to me ever since!
God, I can only hope my son comes to this conclusion. He doesn't support the Dims but is a fervent Bernie Bro. He can not understand why I love Trump and I can't understand how he can not.
Listen. I've been through some really rough times with this daughter. Especially during 2015. She didn't speak to me for a year because of my support for Trump. It hurt so much, I really felt absolutely devastated that my daughter would just toss me away like that over politics. People kept telling me to be patient with her and just be her mother. And that's what I did. I didn't bring up politics and when she did I changed the subject. She moved earlier this year and I went to help her pack and then went back to help her on moving day. I still called her and took her to dinner for her birthday, sent cards just to say hey. (I'm one of those people that still will send snail mail cards bc I think it matters).
I did all that knowing she said our future relationship depended on what happened in November this year. Because I'm her mother. She can walk away from me over politics if that's what she wants to do but I won't be doing the same.
So yeah, getting that text today brought tears to my eyes. And I'm telling you all this just to say just be mom or dad, whichever applies. Show them the way with your actions.
Crazy that we can get separated from our kids by who we voted for, isn't it. My son has finally accepted that I love our President and will never change my mind, although he tries. He lives in Italy and teaches English at a University there and can out talk me every time. I will never win a point. So I guess all we can be is a Mom and love them. Bless you, keep the faith and KAG
It's a sign of the times. But to be clear, these times come and go, and have reoccurred throughout history. While The Patriot isn't the most historically accurate movie on the Revolution in a lot of ways, it does depict a very real and accurate situation that can arise out of politics (Where Gibson's character and his son [Heath Ledger] are in disagreement, politically, as to whether or not America should go to war. Gibson is just looking out for his son, and having fought in wars himself, is scared to see his son's advocacy for Revolution and desire to fight in it, so Gibson remains a loyalist. Still, he remains a father, first. Though ultimately it's Gibson that comes around, politically, and more motivated by [Spoiler alert if you're really late to the game] vengeance against the Red Coats that killed his kids)
Forgive her. From your description, I can guarantee she is in or has been to college, because that’s where she was brainwashed. That kind of thing is just not normal.
My brother has a similar feeling about Trump. He ranted to me the other day because I played one of the press briefings. I’ve never been able to get him to explain what it is about our President that triggers him so much.
Deep down though, I know what it is. Donald Trump has been sent by God. It’s a spiritual thing. Those who are under the thrall of evil are repulsed by a son of God, just as we are repulsed by the likes of the children of Satan (ex. Nancy Pelosi)
All we can do is pray for them; that they may one day repent, forgive, and see the light.
This alone is reason enough to disown that immature ungreatful little shit. Show some self respect and tell her get her shit together or get lost
I used to be a hardcore Bernie Bro too. I canvassed for him here in CA and even went to canvass for him in Phoenix for a couple of days before the Arizona primaries. However, I grew disenchanted with him and the left in general. It first started when I got to see how radical and full of hatred the left was becoming. Initially, when I was volunteering with Bernie in Phoenix, most of my fellow volunteers were great people. We didn't care whether you were Republican or Democrat. We believed that while there were some evil people out there, most just had different views on how to make America better. When I was volunteering for Bernie in CA, I mentioned to my fellow volunteers about the mass rape that Muslim migrants were committing in Europe (i.e. Sweden & Colonge, Germany). To my surprise, no-one seemed interested. This was one of the things that made me walk away. When many on the left hear of crimes committed by minorities, they have no interest, no matter how horrible the crime was. It was as if minorities should be allowed to get away with crimes, even those as horrible as rape. When I was accepted to serve as a one-day student lobbyist in Sacramento in college, one of the speakers who spoke to the students told everyone that America was a racist country in which African-Americans were suppressed. But he only gave examples of discrimination before the civil rights era and even told the audience that he wanted to protect young African-Americans from "white ideologies." I guess he didn't quite like representative democracy, constitutionalism, and separation of powers. Despite his comments, almost everyone in the room clapped. When I mentioned that we should try to bridge gaps between campus clubs of various political persuasions. I was snubbed. Beforehand, I had thought that we on the left were the "good side." However, my time at the university along with news I saw coming from other campuses, proved me wrong. I then began to see news and youtube vids that introduced me to right's perspective. All of this helped me shift more and more towards the right. I know many on here don't like Ben Shapiro, but he was vital in helping me make that shift. John Stossel videos on youtube also helped me and my parents lose confidence in leftist economics. If you want to redpill your son, John Stossel, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell vids might help. Dave Rubin's first interview with Larry Elder may redpill your son like it red pilled Dave haha. Sorry for the long post. I hope your are able to convert your fam!
Thank you for that. It just gets me that these young folks think that this is the worst country in the world. Bless their little hearts - they could have been born in any number of shithole countries and they should be extremely grateful that they were born in the greatest country ever. I tried to explain to my son that anytime the gov't gets involved in anything, they fuck it up. We had this conversation regarding Obama care. We all know how that turned out. In the 90s I had breast cancer and Kaiser covered ALL the surgeries, chemo and radiation. I think I paid $50 out of pocket. My bosses wife was diagnosed with Non Hodgkins Lymphoma recently and is undergoing chemo and various other procedures. My boss has probably put out about $30K in fees so far.- this is Kaiser. Anyway, thank you for the info - and don't forget to KAG
Find common ground in populism.
Then he has no place else to go. He will come to it in his own time
" I still hate Trump"
That's OK, steady wins the race - no rush.
Oh, I'd say she has about 7 months to figure it out. Rush, please!
So glad for your relationship that she has made this bit of progress.
Regarding her complaining about the DNC hardliners attacking Bernouts for not supporting Biden, perhaps there's a non-snarky way you can let her know you perfectly understand what it's like to be relentlessly attacked by your own party because of the candidate you support.
Yes. in time, slowly. Her pride took a big hit in even admitting that much to me. I'm just being mom and showing her through my actions. If her mom, who is not a nazi, racist, rapist, wealthy, cares about nobody but myself kind of person... If her mom can be a Trump supporter perhaps he's not so bad.
I know, baby steps. She's been fed a lot of lies, and being hit with too much truth all at once would do more harm than good. Praying she continues to wake up.