I don't have any kids but if I did I would certainly homeschool them. Anyone who tried to stop me would end up in a certain section on my wikipedia article.
Critical thinking is well critical you have to have this tool to get through life. Liberal or conservative you need to look at an obvious lie and be able to see it. To reason your way to the truth of any question.
This is right up my alley. I have a graduate degree in Biology and a minor in education. Putting the virus aside, I was asked to write a paper about public versus homeschooling. They, my educators, wanted a different result than what I came up with at the time. Homeschooling is superior.
[edit] for posterity. I am not a Doctor because, I refuse to fillet a human.
Licensed teacher here. There is no doubt that homeschooling is better. You will never meet a parent that doesn't care deeply about their child's education that chooses to home school them. And that is really the most important part about being a good teacher.
Plus, there is no magical formula to teaching that only teachers with education degrees know. I would say about 85% of the stuff that I learned from education courses in college are things that home school parents don't really need to know. It was mostly about managing a classroom, how the school system works, how to accommodate kids with special needs etc. There are tons of great homeschooling associations that provide parents with the tools they need to learn the 15% that would actually applies to teaching kids at home.
The highest failure rate among homeschool mothers I saw was teachers. They would try to recreate the classroom and it did not work. Your post was insightful and correct, homeschooling is fundamentally different and the skills are different. I started tutoring people's public school kids and teaching them to read so I took a teacher training from the Riggs Institute. I learned so much about how to engage a large group of children and it was pretty fantastic, but if I tried to do the same things one on one it would fall flat. I applied the skills with groups of kids at church.
I deeply admire good teachers. Homeschooling was not about that, it was about being able to do something completely different. I do wish teachers had more autonomy in the classroom, I feel mandated curricula and methods are removing creativity and making it hard for them to do their jobs
Are you kidding me? It’s a total lack of stomach and more importantly, principle. IDK who the f you are, but stay far away. I’m not a teacher anymore. Not yours anyway. I will teach who I want.
Think about it. It’s 2020 and we don’t have the technologies to virtually study the human body without violating something so precious? [spez] you tell me, how can I be a healer without being a monster at the present.
They have full AP high school courses dedicated to climate change now. Most kids take it because its probably the easiest AP course you can take. All you gotta do to get an A is answer everything with "HuMaN = bAd bEcuZ CO2"
My kids had to watch a feature film in science that had Greta Thunderbug in it and write a paper on climate activism. I told them to skip that assignment and had them work on a Udemy class for programming their own video game instead. We were all happier
Reasonably structured homeschooled children regularly outperform well above their age- and socioeconomically matched public school cohort on standard educational assessments, often by more than one grade level.
When I say reasonable structured I mean a home schooling environment where parents purchase or create lesson plans and have structured learning time.
To say that their are “risks to society” in allowing homeschooling it to imply that the values of the left wing default education are superior to those of the child’s own parent - a ludicrous proposition given the personal investment almost all parents feel for their children.
Every teacher complains that the biggest detriments to student learning are large classes, insufficient resources, and unengaged parents. Homeschooling solves all three of those. You'll never find a homeschooled kid in a class of 30, or without books or technology, or with parents that don't care about their kid's education.
You would be surprised. I could never do it myself, but the "unschoolers" I knew still had kids who outperformed public school students and without any organized instruction.
A major tenant of the Soviet Union post-revolution: Get both parents working and put the state in complete charge of socializing and educating their children. In this way, all traces of parental influence may be eliminated going forward.
The DNC after forcing parents from work and allowing parents to facilitate and observe the socialization and education of their own children: I think we made a terrible mistake.
Basically everything she said is wrong. Did you notice that her fear of Christians includes a horror of anyone who might "question science"? Science is not a belief system, why do these people treat it like a religion? The point of science is to ask questions and look for answers! Centuries ago, "scientists" subscribed to the miasma theory of disease. They kept looking and asking questions, now we know it was wrong. These "educated elites" apparently believe "science" is a religious belief system and all children must be indoctrinated to parrot the current trends without question. But Christians are the deniers, sure.
That's not really true. Science is not a religion to be followed or some source of religious comfort for them. Its used more like a deity. They don't use science for comfort or as a guide in their lives, they use it for authority. Questioning science can't be allowed because leftists base their authority upon it. You must listen to what we say, science says we are right. If you doubt us, you're doubting science and if you doubt science you're unfit for modern society.
Its a logical fallacy. An unwarranted appeal to authority.
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989 entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49.
The Marxist / leftist believe EVERYtHING belongs to them… including your children. They believe that because you are to ignorant to know what’s best for yourself , your family and your country.
The risk is we will turn out inquisitive children who question the left and don’t fall lockstep into their narratives. They may turn out smarter as well.
Homeschooling, done well, is objectively better for learning than any mass-administered schooling no matter how competent the teacher or how wealthy the school. The number one factor in student outcomes is personal attention from the teacher and you cannot have more personal attention than a single (or handful) of students being taught at home by a parent or tutor.
The only advantage to public or private schools is socialization. Kids who are home schooled their whole lives are often stunted socially. But, its a lot easier to socialize a homeschooled kid than it is to remediate a kid in a failing public school with 30 and 40 person classes and a teacher that barely has time to learn the students' names.
My child was a struggling learner in elementary school. They wanted to label her and put her on meds. Pulled her out to homeschool and she became an AP honors student who graduated before her peers and was accepted to multiple colleges. Do it. Oh, and HSLDA is an amazing group that fights for your rights and provides resources.
Guarantee she also opposes any form of school choice. And she opposes licensing without government permission, in areas like the law for example.
There's no reason a person shouldn't be able to learn on their own, pass a BAR test, and practice law. But that's illegal. Just like taking money to braid someone's hair, you need a license which requires massive amounts of "training", even if you were an expert at braiding hair when before you were 10.
This is why I homeschool. Want my kids to develop critical thinking and not be socially indoctrinated. Private Christian Schools are rare but great as well.
My son has gone LEAPS and BOUNDS over what he was tought in school these last few months. That is with a "teacher" who is untrained, un-diciplined, and with no patience. I wish we could continue!
They are probably worried we’ll teach American history with, you know, the reasons we founded this country. They’re worried we’ll teach our children about the constitution.
Exactly this. The University model of learning was invented when we used horse and buggies. You cannot seriously say there’s no better way to learn in 2020.
This is how they rule over us; they presume that you are subject to their private rules.
When you hand them an ID that connects your image with the Cesta Que Vie trust that was created with your birth certificate, you incriminate yourself as the "thing" which congress created, which it can regulate.
It gets worse when their agents, who are fooled along with the rest of us, carry guns and believe their "presumption" makes you their subject.
The sixth amendment is your friend, and anyone who hires an attorney to "represent" them waives their sixth amendment protection.
When a PIG (person in gov) approaches you saying, "we've been getting calls..." respond, "a call is not a verified, sworn complaint, get back to me when you have one." Followed by, "I don't answer questions."
There is no wvidence that homeschooled kids do worse than public achooled children. This person is a socialist to suggest such a thing. The public school.experience is traumatic for many kids.
I would be willing to make a bet that more children are bullied at schools than abused in a home school environment.
Now if someone gets a hint that a child faced any kind of abuse at home, they will swiftly remove that child from the environment. But when they hear that a child is bullied at school, it's usually shrugged off.
In college I was very involved with Kappa Delta Pi (you can Google that) because I was dating the girl running it.
I can wholeheartedly assure you, our children are better off being taught by actual wolves than by those people. I think the smartest one still had a room temperature IQ.
I'm surprised things aren't even worse than they are now.
Harvard? The college that employs professors who illegally sell secrets to China? That Harvard? The ones who exclude people from admission based solely on their race? I can honestly say I would never hire someone from Harvard, and would public ally ridicule anyone who actually went there. What a joke of an institution. Shit needs to burn to the ground.
Now to 'pour cold water' on all the effluent praise of HomeSchooling I read here. This is a case history, it is NOT a universal. But it is Instructive.
My drug addict step son and his professional occupation wife had 04 children. All were homeschooled. If we, the grandparents, had not stepped in and made a whole series of changes, all four would be living in a trash can by now. At age 12 one grand son could not read the directions on a frozen food box to make his lunch. The parents were not equipped mentally, financially, time allotment-wise, and misc. to teach their kids ANYTHING! Now, so 20 years on, one grand daughter is married, one child, and owns a business with a husband. One grandson is 20 going on 12, and we are working on him still. One grand daughter has two kids, a working now single Mom. The last and oldest grand SON wants to be called "Tina" and says he is a she. Great Satans Underwear, what IS wrong with you, kid? Aside from the fact you look like the entire ChiCom army marched on your face?!
Case Two; the grand daughter with 02 kinds, one 06 yrs, one 03 yrs. She is going bonkers trying to 'teach' the kid, play catch up with the 03yr old, AND work from home, AND try to live a life of her own{dating and the like}.
Nope, homeschooling is NOT the end all and be all of Education
I seriously doubt kids with parents like that would do well in school either. I certainly did not do well socially as the school could not make up for failure in the home. What you desribe is very rare and I am sorry you had to go through it. Not everyone is cut out to homeschool, but luckily people like that usually don't
You are quite right, no school can, or indeed, should, make up for a failure at home. And you are correct, not everyone is cut out for homeschool. Which is likely the reason for Charter schools and the Montrose sort of schools.
I too, did not do well at schools as a kid, mostly because I questioned everything, thought and read on my own, formed opinions not to the liking of the Teachers. This was LONG ago, when teachers were demigods. Side note; I had a teacher called Miss Gibbs, in 08th grade. I never knew her first name, till I read her obituary.
I got in real trouble, Senior Year, for writing a Final Exam Paper of and on the Japanese Internment Camps. When I wrote this Paper, the subject was never taught, never spoken of, nothing of the subject was in the schools. In some ways, the P.S. have improved.
Thank you for the kind words of the Disaster of my Homeschool experience. And I hope it is indeed, rare. That is the reason I sent forth the story to the world. To see how it was with other parents. In truth I have had 05 replies to this Subject. SO, thank you for your comments. I suspect it will help many who read
As I homeschooled I met other homeschoolers and initially thought anyone could do it, then met some that convinced me otherwise. Also my life would not have necessarily been better homeschooled and my parents were very checked out. OTOH I had only a couple good teachers in all my school years who cared about me at all. Like you I questioned everything plus I was bored out of my skull. I had the goofy idea that school was about learning and I preferred the tough teachers. I did not develop social skills until after I left home. I developed most of my academic skills on my own. My best time was when I was working and even that is being denied to kids now. I started at 12 and it was the saving of me because I could finally be in an environment where people cared about what I produced and appreciated me. I left home just after I turned 17 and looking back it blows my mind.
Thank you for the reply and comments. It seems thee and I are much alike, intellectually. The 'saving of me' was leaving home at 17, joining the US Army, and going to War. The entire rest of my life, to now, is measured against that Experience.
In my case it has been all uphill since age 19. I kind of bottomed out, then made the decision to have a good life. It was bumpy, but uphill. I have been happily married 32 years to a fabulous man. I was very careful with my mate selection and it paid off. Looking back I am grateful to all the hard parts because they made the good parts possible, but at the time it just just hard.
My son told me he didn't realize how good his home was until he joined the Marines. Lots of people get out of bad situations through military service.
Thank you for the reply and the Surprise! The surprise being I am writing to a Member of the Fair Sex! Your writing style is very much as a man's is. And this correspondent of yours is a Professional Writer! I do not often guess wrong on this.
And married with a Son and a Leatherneck as well. Good for you; you did all things aright. Your marriage of 32 years is a few less than my 40 years{I had to stop counting at 40} of marriage to a carefully chosen female.
Yes, Indeed, we Chose our Own path of Life, no exceptions that I know of! Or as Omar Kyiam{sic} once wrote, "No Mans Future is written, save by his own hand".
And, again, you are correct, a lot of people DO get out of bad situations thru Military Service. At least in the time of my War, a 'bad kid' was often give the choice by a Judge--"Join the Army or go to jail". As your Marine knows the Military is a good education system to get your life in order.
Give my regards to your Leatherneck from this Army Flier. I hope he makes a Career of the Marines. Its a good choice in Life.
I should add that when my son was enlisting they asked for a high school diploma. I told them I was just manufacturing it on my computer and they told me they didn't care. They only cared that they had a piece of paper. He had an almost perfect ASVAB score.
I am most likely "On the Spectrum" which is looking like male brain and I have even been told by my husband that I think like a man. As I am old school I am not confused about my gender LOL.
My son was in full time for 5 years because his MOS required a 2 year training period. He got out, was miserable, and is back in as a reservist with the hope of eventually being full time again. It turns out there are also full time reservists. His reenlistment recruiter screwed up his paperwork and that has kept him out of the schoolhouse. Very frustrating, but he still does his training and all.
That’s insightful, but why were they homeschooling in the first place. Most people who home school feel they will care more than the teachers and they want to teach their kids more. It sounds like your case are two people who couldn’t give a shit.
Your are also Insightful -- that is exactly why they did not send their kids to public schools. Are you ready for this Irony? One ,they had kids for the tax break{I heard them discuss it once} and not to expose the kids to 'the evil of schools'. Evil of schools?!! The parents lived in the slums of several US states, before returning to Maine. Dads' a drug pusher, now how many 'evil people' are in that profession?
And your right,parents who home school SHOULD care more than the teachers in P.S. The problem is how many parents are aware of ALL the things taught in modern times, to have the kids ready to be function, responsible citizens. And how many parents are able? I think this is the lesson a lot of parents learn, and it is the reason for the Montrose sort of schools you see. My small burg of circa 10K souls has 05 private run schools. The somewhat new grammar school is only half used. There is one private/church run school were all the kids were a uniform, the school is a benign Camp LeJune, the kids test scores are OFF THE CHARTS, and Candidate Trump held a rally in that school gym, which was PACKED to the walls with Trump-ites.
The students took part in the opening bits, ran a concession table, gave food/drink to the USSS, and the Press Corps, served as ushers and the like. The best behaved, best dressed and most polite flock of kids I have ever seen.
The kids education is so superior, that I found myself talking philosophy with an 08th grader, who was more than equipped to discourse with a man old enow to be his grandfather.
Thank you, its a great Reply you made, and your understanding is to your credit.
Your reply to my reply is great! Thank you for that. Our son is still an infant and I am already thinking about schools. We will either find a school like you describes or home school until our abilities can no longer keep him pushed.
Pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening. NOW! your fine reply deserves a footnote from me. First it is Excellent that you are starting NOW, for your Infants Education. That education begins NOW. That means speak US English to the kid, not the 'baby talk' nonsense. Otherwise the kid learns two languages. If you can find a speaker of another language to visit often while the child is of the 'learn to talk age', do it. That ability is useful through life. And Yes, the Montrose sort of school is THE place for the Boy. But, would you have the advice of my grand daughter on home school vs any other? She says the lack of social interaction, peer pressures, friendships and the rest, she missed out on completely with H.School. Which may be why she prefers to work nights, live 'away from it all', hates to meet any stranger, and has no clew of the 'social graces ' of Life.
And my thanks for the kind words and appreciation for my thoughts and comments on this Important subject. It augers well for the Infant now yours.
I’ve definitely worried about the things your grand daughter said. We’ve looked into social groups for home schooled kids. There are groups that meet at different times of day to let their kids interact and play. We feel that if you include plenty of time for socializing it can still have that positive affect on them.
And Back for this Evening! First, thank you for the message, and the very good conversation offend on this Subject. For the sake of your Son, I am very pleased you have thought ahead to the Social Side of Education. Your home school social groups program is new to me. Tho it may have existed when I was being a defacto teacher of grand kids.
Perhaps you realize; this concept of home school kids+meeting+play= the pre modern single room school house, and the block school houses of the big cites in the early Industrial Era of the USA, type of education. The Govt. schools we recognize are barely a century old, and have been failures from the beginning of the Public Education System.
Here is a thought for you, And I offer it as I can tell that you are Intelligent, forward thinking, and insightful. Here is my Thought{it is premised on enough kids to make it work, and the support of ALL parents involved}. Thus, set up a rotating series of classes and teachers, for all the kids in the location in question. For ensamble, your Son goes to "Mrs.X' on Weds Thur. along with the "X" number of kids in the experiment school{it needs a Name!}.
Tues & Fri. the kids go to "Grandma Z' for classes. In the hypothetical example, "Grandma Z" is a retired teacher. That means the parents get some time off from teaching, the kid gets to socialize and learn from a different adult{and one NOT a parent, as most kids 'know the keys to turn' of a parent to get their outcomes].
Thus the burden is passed thru the agreed set of parents/kids, they are still homeschooled but now have the social skill sets.
it might be curious to know how the "Plain folk" Amish et al, run their education system. Their kids are all home schooled, of course.
You are very right, socialization skills have a positive effect on all kids/or the lack thereof!
If you wish, I would like to continue this discourse. If not, fine and good. But an intelligent conversation on the Internet is rare.
I’m happy to keep this conversation going, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a lot. We’ll be sure to bring these ideas up when we find our group. I think it is great to learn from different people.
It goes to show that public school is the great "flattener". It flattens those who would succeed at home schooling at the benefit of rising up those who need the education, such as in the example you gave. All in all, it is a powerful, anti-indoctrination technique!
"All in All, it is a powerful, anti indoctrination technique'' only if the Parents can break from their education misinformation, can find a useful information source, and can teach it effectively to the offsprings.
Pedes, there are incredibly important life lessons learned in school, public or private. The bubble of home schooling is a long term path to disaster. For one, most parents are fucking shit at it, Teachers are masters degree educated professionals that actually give a shit. The here is a science to it and I agree it’s been fucked up,a bit from Obama and GW with the no child left behind, but it still works.
This country has 100s of years of educating our youth in a specific way. We’ve been successful as a country. Disrupt the process in a significant way is a recipe for disaster. For one, the continuity of education is a binding social fabric. Mix 40 years of bitter life lessons into every kid by their parent and people will all look at each other like WTF, when they leave the home.
Thank teachers, most are good and aren’t paid shit for their level of education.
You keep justifying that money shitbag.. You can send a kid to “private” school for <$7,000/yr which I can wipe my ass with in cash right now.
Your little social retards are still going to compete with the Chinese for that spot in the University fuckwit. Plus you paid for your pent up little girl to leave your tight ass for college and ravage monster fucking dicks atfter a couple whifs of ball sweat. So you get rekt you mouthy little bitch.
Spez- fixed a typo responding to a mouthy little bitch.
Yes! His books exposing the education system are amazing, and no one could say shit because he was teacher of the year in NY multiple times! I was sad to hear he’d passed away. He was based.
Yep, saw him years ago at a homeschool conference and was a WSJ subscriber when he wrote the famous resignation letter. We got permission from him personally to register our tiny private school in CA (as there are 0 homeschoolers there, we fell under private school law) as the John Taylor Gatto School.
This made me laugh. The public indoctrination system is the reason leftism exists. Take it away and the entire leftist construct is jeopardized.
I don't have any kids but if I did I would certainly homeschool them. Anyone who tried to stop me would end up in a certain section on my wikipedia article.
I would b definitely homeschool as well of I had kids.
Link for the lazy:
https://hslda.org/content/
If you homeschool you are morally obligated to be a member. They do outstanding work.
Critical thinking is well critical you have to have this tool to get through life. Liberal or conservative you need to look at an obvious lie and be able to see it. To reason your way to the truth of any question.
This is right up my alley. I have a graduate degree in Biology and a minor in education. Putting the virus aside, I was asked to write a paper about public versus homeschooling. They, my educators, wanted a different result than what I came up with at the time. Homeschooling is superior.
[edit] for posterity. I am not a Doctor because, I refuse to fillet a human.
Licensed teacher here. There is no doubt that homeschooling is better. You will never meet a parent that doesn't care deeply about their child's education that chooses to home school them. And that is really the most important part about being a good teacher.
Plus, there is no magical formula to teaching that only teachers with education degrees know. I would say about 85% of the stuff that I learned from education courses in college are things that home school parents don't really need to know. It was mostly about managing a classroom, how the school system works, how to accommodate kids with special needs etc. There are tons of great homeschooling associations that provide parents with the tools they need to learn the 15% that would actually applies to teaching kids at home.
The highest failure rate among homeschool mothers I saw was teachers. They would try to recreate the classroom and it did not work. Your post was insightful and correct, homeschooling is fundamentally different and the skills are different. I started tutoring people's public school kids and teaching them to read so I took a teacher training from the Riggs Institute. I learned so much about how to engage a large group of children and it was pretty fantastic, but if I tried to do the same things one on one it would fall flat. I applied the skills with groups of kids at church. I deeply admire good teachers. Homeschooling was not about that, it was about being able to do something completely different. I do wish teachers had more autonomy in the classroom, I feel mandated curricula and methods are removing creativity and making it hard for them to do their jobs
I've worked in research academia for years. They will always manipulate the data in their favor
Academia is one huge circlejerk that likes the smell of their own farts.
No doubt you are correct.
Hmm. Interesting. You refuse to participate in an anatomy dissection?
I’ve dissected everything. Except a human.
Yeah, curious why. I infer it's on principle not a lack of stomach.
So the canned argument would be, "they're already dead...". And you say?
Are you kidding me? It’s a total lack of stomach and more importantly, principle. IDK who the f you are, but stay far away. I’m not a teacher anymore. Not yours anyway. I will teach who I want.
Here we go. Allon-z. My quote says, “No one is dead yet.” Get it right.
Think about it. It’s 2020 and we don’t have the technologies to virtually study the human body without violating something so precious? [spez] you tell me, how can I be a healer without being a monster at the present.
That’s a saying of mine in social circles. As far as dissecting a human body, I’ve been spared.
I’ve seen the refrigerators. You tell me a freezer full of human bodies is normal, and I will tell you that you are the one who is “a little nuts”.
Wait, make sure this thaws before next class. We’re studying the heart AGAIN which we’ve known for a gazillion years.
Ah, Harvard. The same place just caught selling secrets to China. Great people there.
The same place that found flouride lowered IQ then a few days later retracted it.
Oh and has Charles Lieber working there and Wuhan.
You should show him real science, so his interest in the subject isn't corroded by fake climate change models.
Look up The Royal Institute on youtube.
He'll love it.
They have full AP high school courses dedicated to climate change now. Most kids take it because its probably the easiest AP course you can take. All you gotta do to get an A is answer everything with "HuMaN = bAd bEcuZ CO2"
Environmental science?
My kids had to watch a feature film in science that had Greta Thunderbug in it and write a paper on climate activism. I told them to skip that assignment and had them work on a Udemy class for programming their own video game instead. We were all happier
My family loves Smarter every Days channel on YouTube.
Dustin homeschools his kids and does cool science.
Reasonably structured homeschooled children regularly outperform well above their age- and socioeconomically matched public school cohort on standard educational assessments, often by more than one grade level.
When I say reasonable structured I mean a home schooling environment where parents purchase or create lesson plans and have structured learning time.
To say that their are “risks to society” in allowing homeschooling it to imply that the values of the left wing default education are superior to those of the child’s own parent - a ludicrous proposition given the personal investment almost all parents feel for their children.
Every teacher complains that the biggest detriments to student learning are large classes, insufficient resources, and unengaged parents. Homeschooling solves all three of those. You'll never find a homeschooled kid in a class of 30, or without books or technology, or with parents that don't care about their kid's education.
You would be surprised. I could never do it myself, but the "unschoolers" I knew still had kids who outperformed public school students and without any organized instruction.
A major tenant of the Soviet Union post-revolution: Get both parents working and put the state in complete charge of socializing and educating their children. In this way, all traces of parental influence may be eliminated going forward.
The DNC after forcing parents from work and allowing parents to facilitate and observe the socialization and education of their own children: I think we made a terrible mistake.
Basically everything she said is wrong. Did you notice that her fear of Christians includes a horror of anyone who might "question science"? Science is not a belief system, why do these people treat it like a religion? The point of science is to ask questions and look for answers! Centuries ago, "scientists" subscribed to the miasma theory of disease. They kept looking and asking questions, now we know it was wrong. These "educated elites" apparently believe "science" is a religious belief system and all children must be indoctrinated to parrot the current trends without question. But Christians are the deniers, sure.
That's not really true. Science is not a religion to be followed or some source of religious comfort for them. Its used more like a deity. They don't use science for comfort or as a guide in their lives, they use it for authority. Questioning science can't be allowed because leftists base their authority upon it. You must listen to what we say, science says we are right. If you doubt us, you're doubting science and if you doubt science you're unfit for modern society.
Its a logical fallacy. An unwarranted appeal to authority.
Evolution is definitely a religion to some.
Convention on the Rights of the Child
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 44/25 of 20 November 1989 entry into force 2 September 1990, in accordance with article 49.
The Marxist / leftist believe EVERYtHING belongs to them… including your children. They believe that because you are to ignorant to know what’s best for yourself , your family and your country.
The risk is we will turn out inquisitive children who question the left and don’t fall lockstep into their narratives. They may turn out smarter as well.
Three people today have told me that Harvard is full of shit about this:
I'll take their word for it over Harvard's, any day.
Homeschooling, done well, is objectively better for learning than any mass-administered schooling no matter how competent the teacher or how wealthy the school. The number one factor in student outcomes is personal attention from the teacher and you cannot have more personal attention than a single (or handful) of students being taught at home by a parent or tutor.
The only advantage to public or private schools is socialization. Kids who are home schooled their whole lives are often stunted socially. But, its a lot easier to socialize a homeschooled kid than it is to remediate a kid in a failing public school with 30 and 40 person classes and a teacher that barely has time to learn the students' names.
You can get them social with clubs, sports, martial arts, scouts etc.
After this ordeal and seeing how much more effective a student my child is, I'm considering homeschooling now
It is definitely worth your consideration.
It is a big commitment but your child is worth it.
There are LOTS of resources and social groups to support homeschooling parents.
My two cents is just do it. You can always re-enroll your child in school.
My child was a struggling learner in elementary school. They wanted to label her and put her on meds. Pulled her out to homeschool and she became an AP honors student who graduated before her peers and was accepted to multiple colleges. Do it. Oh, and HSLDA is an amazing group that fights for your rights and provides resources.
How are your kids going to be enriched by drag queen story hour and learn about white privilege and climate change if they're homeschooled?
Guarantee she also opposes any form of school choice. And she opposes licensing without government permission, in areas like the law for example.
There's no reason a person shouldn't be able to learn on their own, pass a BAR test, and practice law. But that's illegal. Just like taking money to braid someone's hair, you need a license which requires massive amounts of "training", even if you were an expert at braiding hair when before you were 10.
Prolly never gonna have any kids but if I did I'd have to homeschool them.
Consider it. We can defeat the abortionist left with just a little fuckin’. Pretty awesome weapon.
Democrats: everyone stay home "for your protection"
Also Democrats: you better not teach your children while you're home.
This is why I homeschool. Want my kids to develop critical thinking and not be socially indoctrinated. Private Christian Schools are rare but great as well.
My son has gone LEAPS and BOUNDS over what he was tought in school these last few months. That is with a "teacher" who is untrained, un-diciplined, and with no patience. I wish we could continue!
So happy to hear about your son's progress and so sorry to hear you cannot continue.
The missus would go insane lol!
I feel you. I can confirm that that does happen.
I'm quite serious when I say I would have learned more staying at home and reading the core textbooks. School was mostly a total waste of time.
I obviously wasn't a gifted student, though I did ok. But school was just day care really.
They are probably worried we’ll teach American history with, you know, the reasons we founded this country. They’re worried we’ll teach our children about the constitution.
another big picture thing here is that we don't really need all university programs anymore because of the internet.
it used to be impossible for one teacher to reach millions, not so much anymore...
Exactly this. The University model of learning was invented when we used horse and buggies. You cannot seriously say there’s no better way to learn in 2020.
They told us go stay the fuck home lol. This is literally their fault in every measure. Fuck havard. Fuck that cunt.
My homeschool cousins are some of the smartest people i know, and they dont take no shit. They wont lie down for the government...
Think for yourself...question authority.
"Colleges of Education" are citadels for neo-Marxist junk scholarship, like "Critical Pedagougery", which Harvard promotes eagerly.
This is how they rule over us; they presume that you are subject to their private rules.
When you hand them an ID that connects your image with the Cesta Que Vie trust that was created with your birth certificate, you incriminate yourself as the "thing" which congress created, which it can regulate.
It gets worse when their agents, who are fooled along with the rest of us, carry guns and believe their "presumption" makes you their subject.
The sixth amendment is your friend, and anyone who hires an attorney to "represent" them waives their sixth amendment protection.
When a PIG (person in gov) approaches you saying, "we've been getting calls..." respond, "a call is not a verified, sworn complaint, get back to me when you have one." Followed by, "I don't answer questions."
They are coming after your children!
There is no wvidence that homeschooled kids do worse than public achooled children. This person is a socialist to suggest such a thing. The public school.experience is traumatic for many kids.
I would be willing to make a bet that more children are bullied at schools than abused in a home school environment.
Now if someone gets a hint that a child faced any kind of abuse at home, they will swiftly remove that child from the environment. But when they hear that a child is bullied at school, it's usually shrugged off.
How can you have your pudding, if you don't eat your meat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
In college I was very involved with Kappa Delta Pi (you can Google that) because I was dating the girl running it.
I can wholeheartedly assure you, our children are better off being taught by actual wolves than by those people. I think the smartest one still had a room temperature IQ.
I'm surprised things aren't even worse than they are now.
The state is your parents citizen.
Next, lets abolish child labor laws.
Most people don't need above a 9th grade education.
Harvard? The college that employs professors who illegally sell secrets to China? That Harvard? The ones who exclude people from admission based solely on their race? I can honestly say I would never hire someone from Harvard, and would public ally ridicule anyone who actually went there. What a joke of an institution. Shit needs to burn to the ground.
just blatantly in our faces making this claim without any shame. it's amazin'
Now to 'pour cold water' on all the effluent praise of HomeSchooling I read here. This is a case history, it is NOT a universal. But it is Instructive.
My drug addict step son and his professional occupation wife had 04 children. All were homeschooled. If we, the grandparents, had not stepped in and made a whole series of changes, all four would be living in a trash can by now. At age 12 one grand son could not read the directions on a frozen food box to make his lunch. The parents were not equipped mentally, financially, time allotment-wise, and misc. to teach their kids ANYTHING! Now, so 20 years on, one grand daughter is married, one child, and owns a business with a husband. One grandson is 20 going on 12, and we are working on him still. One grand daughter has two kids, a working now single Mom. The last and oldest grand SON wants to be called "Tina" and says he is a she. Great Satans Underwear, what IS wrong with you, kid? Aside from the fact you look like the entire ChiCom army marched on your face?!
Case Two; the grand daughter with 02 kinds, one 06 yrs, one 03 yrs. She is going bonkers trying to 'teach' the kid, play catch up with the 03yr old, AND work from home, AND try to live a life of her own{dating and the like}.
Nope, homeschooling is NOT the end all and be all of Education
I seriously doubt kids with parents like that would do well in school either. I certainly did not do well socially as the school could not make up for failure in the home. What you desribe is very rare and I am sorry you had to go through it. Not everyone is cut out to homeschool, but luckily people like that usually don't
You are quite right, no school can, or indeed, should, make up for a failure at home. And you are correct, not everyone is cut out for homeschool. Which is likely the reason for Charter schools and the Montrose sort of schools.
I too, did not do well at schools as a kid, mostly because I questioned everything, thought and read on my own, formed opinions not to the liking of the Teachers. This was LONG ago, when teachers were demigods. Side note; I had a teacher called Miss Gibbs, in 08th grade. I never knew her first name, till I read her obituary.
I got in real trouble, Senior Year, for writing a Final Exam Paper of and on the Japanese Internment Camps. When I wrote this Paper, the subject was never taught, never spoken of, nothing of the subject was in the schools. In some ways, the P.S. have improved.
Thank you for the kind words of the Disaster of my Homeschool experience. And I hope it is indeed, rare. That is the reason I sent forth the story to the world. To see how it was with other parents. In truth I have had 05 replies to this Subject. SO, thank you for your comments. I suspect it will help many who read
As I homeschooled I met other homeschoolers and initially thought anyone could do it, then met some that convinced me otherwise. Also my life would not have necessarily been better homeschooled and my parents were very checked out. OTOH I had only a couple good teachers in all my school years who cared about me at all. Like you I questioned everything plus I was bored out of my skull. I had the goofy idea that school was about learning and I preferred the tough teachers. I did not develop social skills until after I left home. I developed most of my academic skills on my own. My best time was when I was working and even that is being denied to kids now. I started at 12 and it was the saving of me because I could finally be in an environment where people cared about what I produced and appreciated me. I left home just after I turned 17 and looking back it blows my mind.
Thank you for the reply and comments. It seems thee and I are much alike, intellectually. The 'saving of me' was leaving home at 17, joining the US Army, and going to War. The entire rest of my life, to now, is measured against that Experience.
In my case it has been all uphill since age 19. I kind of bottomed out, then made the decision to have a good life. It was bumpy, but uphill. I have been happily married 32 years to a fabulous man. I was very careful with my mate selection and it paid off. Looking back I am grateful to all the hard parts because they made the good parts possible, but at the time it just just hard. My son told me he didn't realize how good his home was until he joined the Marines. Lots of people get out of bad situations through military service.
Thank you for the reply and the Surprise! The surprise being I am writing to a Member of the Fair Sex! Your writing style is very much as a man's is. And this correspondent of yours is a Professional Writer! I do not often guess wrong on this.
And married with a Son and a Leatherneck as well. Good for you; you did all things aright. Your marriage of 32 years is a few less than my 40 years{I had to stop counting at 40} of marriage to a carefully chosen female.
Yes, Indeed, we Chose our Own path of Life, no exceptions that I know of! Or as Omar Kyiam{sic} once wrote, "No Mans Future is written, save by his own hand".
And, again, you are correct, a lot of people DO get out of bad situations thru Military Service. At least in the time of my War, a 'bad kid' was often give the choice by a Judge--"Join the Army or go to jail". As your Marine knows the Military is a good education system to get your life in order.
Give my regards to your Leatherneck from this Army Flier. I hope he makes a Career of the Marines. Its a good choice in Life.
With Thanks
I should add that when my son was enlisting they asked for a high school diploma. I told them I was just manufacturing it on my computer and they told me they didn't care. They only cared that they had a piece of paper. He had an almost perfect ASVAB score.
I am most likely "On the Spectrum" which is looking like male brain and I have even been told by my husband that I think like a man. As I am old school I am not confused about my gender LOL.
My son was in full time for 5 years because his MOS required a 2 year training period. He got out, was miserable, and is back in as a reservist with the hope of eventually being full time again. It turns out there are also full time reservists. His reenlistment recruiter screwed up his paperwork and that has kept him out of the schoolhouse. Very frustrating, but he still does his training and all.
That’s insightful, but why were they homeschooling in the first place. Most people who home school feel they will care more than the teachers and they want to teach their kids more. It sounds like your case are two people who couldn’t give a shit.
Your are also Insightful -- that is exactly why they did not send their kids to public schools. Are you ready for this Irony? One ,they had kids for the tax break{I heard them discuss it once} and not to expose the kids to 'the evil of schools'. Evil of schools?!! The parents lived in the slums of several US states, before returning to Maine. Dads' a drug pusher, now how many 'evil people' are in that profession?
And your right,parents who home school SHOULD care more than the teachers in P.S. The problem is how many parents are aware of ALL the things taught in modern times, to have the kids ready to be function, responsible citizens. And how many parents are able? I think this is the lesson a lot of parents learn, and it is the reason for the Montrose sort of schools you see. My small burg of circa 10K souls has 05 private run schools. The somewhat new grammar school is only half used. There is one private/church run school were all the kids were a uniform, the school is a benign Camp LeJune, the kids test scores are OFF THE CHARTS, and Candidate Trump held a rally in that school gym, which was PACKED to the walls with Trump-ites.
The students took part in the opening bits, ran a concession table, gave food/drink to the USSS, and the Press Corps, served as ushers and the like. The best behaved, best dressed and most polite flock of kids I have ever seen.
The kids education is so superior, that I found myself talking philosophy with an 08th grader, who was more than equipped to discourse with a man old enow to be his grandfather.
Thank you, its a great Reply you made, and your understanding is to your credit.
Your reply to my reply is great! Thank you for that. Our son is still an infant and I am already thinking about schools. We will either find a school like you describes or home school until our abilities can no longer keep him pushed.
Pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening. NOW! your fine reply deserves a footnote from me. First it is Excellent that you are starting NOW, for your Infants Education. That education begins NOW. That means speak US English to the kid, not the 'baby talk' nonsense. Otherwise the kid learns two languages. If you can find a speaker of another language to visit often while the child is of the 'learn to talk age', do it. That ability is useful through life. And Yes, the Montrose sort of school is THE place for the Boy. But, would you have the advice of my grand daughter on home school vs any other? She says the lack of social interaction, peer pressures, friendships and the rest, she missed out on completely with H.School. Which may be why she prefers to work nights, live 'away from it all', hates to meet any stranger, and has no clew of the 'social graces ' of Life.
And my thanks for the kind words and appreciation for my thoughts and comments on this Important subject. It augers well for the Infant now yours.
I’ve definitely worried about the things your grand daughter said. We’ve looked into social groups for home schooled kids. There are groups that meet at different times of day to let their kids interact and play. We feel that if you include plenty of time for socializing it can still have that positive affect on them.
And Back for this Evening! First, thank you for the message, and the very good conversation offend on this Subject. For the sake of your Son, I am very pleased you have thought ahead to the Social Side of Education. Your home school social groups program is new to me. Tho it may have existed when I was being a defacto teacher of grand kids.
Perhaps you realize; this concept of home school kids+meeting+play= the pre modern single room school house, and the block school houses of the big cites in the early Industrial Era of the USA, type of education. The Govt. schools we recognize are barely a century old, and have been failures from the beginning of the Public Education System.
Here is a thought for you, And I offer it as I can tell that you are Intelligent, forward thinking, and insightful. Here is my Thought{it is premised on enough kids to make it work, and the support of ALL parents involved}. Thus, set up a rotating series of classes and teachers, for all the kids in the location in question. For ensamble, your Son goes to "Mrs.X' on Weds Thur. along with the "X" number of kids in the experiment school{it needs a Name!}.
Tues & Fri. the kids go to "Grandma Z' for classes. In the hypothetical example, "Grandma Z" is a retired teacher. That means the parents get some time off from teaching, the kid gets to socialize and learn from a different adult{and one NOT a parent, as most kids 'know the keys to turn' of a parent to get their outcomes].
Thus the burden is passed thru the agreed set of parents/kids, they are still homeschooled but now have the social skill sets.
it might be curious to know how the "Plain folk" Amish et al, run their education system. Their kids are all home schooled, of course.
You are very right, socialization skills have a positive effect on all kids/or the lack thereof!
If you wish, I would like to continue this discourse. If not, fine and good. But an intelligent conversation on the Internet is rare.
with thanks
I’m happy to keep this conversation going, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a lot. We’ll be sure to bring these ideas up when we find our group. I think it is great to learn from different people.
It goes to show that public school is the great "flattener". It flattens those who would succeed at home schooling at the benefit of rising up those who need the education, such as in the example you gave. All in all, it is a powerful, anti-indoctrination technique!
"All in All, it is a powerful, anti indoctrination technique'' only if the Parents can break from their education misinformation, can find a useful information source, and can teach it effectively to the offsprings.
Most likely, however Govt. schools in my State seem to have better standards than say, Watts or Harlem or downtown L.A.
Pedes, there are incredibly important life lessons learned in school, public or private. The bubble of home schooling is a long term path to disaster. For one, most parents are fucking shit at it, Teachers are masters degree educated professionals that actually give a shit. The here is a science to it and I agree it’s been fucked up,a bit from Obama and GW with the no child left behind, but it still works.
This country has 100s of years of educating our youth in a specific way. We’ve been successful as a country. Disrupt the process in a significant way is a recipe for disaster. For one, the continuity of education is a binding social fabric. Mix 40 years of bitter life lessons into every kid by their parent and people will all look at each other like WTF, when they leave the home.
Thank teachers, most are good and aren’t paid shit for their level of education.
Get rekt, commie.
You've committed a major fallacy right off the bat: Appeal to authority - a masters in education means exactly shit.
You sound jealous bro..
Your logic is atrocious and fallacious. My kids attend a Christian private school, so you can still, hmm, get rekt.
You keep justifying that money shitbag.. You can send a kid to “private” school for <$7,000/yr which I can wipe my ass with in cash right now.
Your little social retards are still going to compete with the Chinese for that spot in the University fuckwit. Plus you paid for your pent up little girl to leave your tight ass for college and ravage monster fucking dicks atfter a couple whifs of ball sweat. So you get rekt you mouthy little bitch.
Spez- fixed a typo responding to a mouthy little bitch.
I'm the one who sounds jealous? LOL, go back to reddit, snowflake.
Might want to read up on education history. Public school as we know it is extremely recent.
John Taylor Gatto
https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/
Yes! His books exposing the education system are amazing, and no one could say shit because he was teacher of the year in NY multiple times! I was sad to hear he’d passed away. He was based.
Yep, saw him years ago at a homeschool conference and was a WSJ subscriber when he wrote the famous resignation letter. We got permission from him personally to register our tiny private school in CA (as there are 0 homeschoolers there, we fell under private school law) as the John Taylor Gatto School.
"Disrupt the process in a significant way is a recipe for disaster. "
And that's exactly what happened a several decades ago when the left grabbed cultural power and decided it wanted to dumb down the population.
They have already disrupted your '100s of years of educating' tradition by turning the schools into submission training centers.
Biggest fuck up was mainstreaming the emotionally and mentally challenged kids. They’re a major distraction in class and need more tailored education.