I dunno perhaps Doctors are too stuck on convention or perhaps their schooling has failed them to see viable alternatives to pharmaceuticals. We exalt them in society but this only leaves us scrambling when they are wrong or have been politically corrupted. They aren't selfless or any of the higher virtues we extoll, most are in it for the money and apparently a hell of a lot of them will drop their oath to their patients to serve an oath to their license holders or against threats to their pocketbooks.
This is a huge part of the problem. Doctors treat patients in ways that are documented to work, because they can point to the documentation and say "look it isn't malpractice, it's universally accepted standard of care!"
Doctors have to do a lot of stupid shit to make sure their asses are covered in case someone doesn't get the result they were expecting and decides to sue.
Are you suggesting that the pharmaceutical industry should be or currently is in charge of health education? Because that's kind of right in that they are. And no, they shouldn't be.
Yeah they indirectly control what is taught through lobbying. They need to sell their drugs so they lobby and get the regs changed. New docs get taught new regs and better treatments are thrown to the wayside because their greed.
I'm a surgery resident. I graduated top of my class in a top 20 college at age 21, and I'll finish all my training at age 37. For many years I raked in debt, and when I wasn't taking in debt, then 50-70k a year raising a family of 3 kids.
I keep in touch with my friends from college - if they didn't pursue training then they were making nearly 6 figures when done, and easily climbed to 100k-200k for the 16 years while I trained.
I'll probably make 500k when I'm done. It'll be a nice reward. But I calculated I'll be 51 before I even out with my friends that started working right after college.
If you think doctors go into this profession to make money, we are either incredibly stupid at making money, or we aren't doing this to make money.
You can also see why people like Bernie that say doctors earn too much are infuriating
Edited to also add... Those training years are lost, you work 80+ hours a week, thankfully I have a supportive wife but you don't get them back
Keep at it, brotha, I know how hard it is (not from personal experience, but my brother). I always chuckle when people rag on doctors, and especially when they say they "do it for the money." Like you, my brother took on massive debt, just recently finished his residency and fellowship, has boatloads of school debt to pay off, and doesn't even make all that much yet, and is just about 40. Won't be a long while before he's "in the green," so to speak on his investment. Just the amount of work the poor bastard had to put in, I don't think I saw him sleep for about 15 years, constantly buried in a book, it's just insane. I've so much respect for anyone that can didicate that much time, effort, money, and just general sacrafice, for something just because it's a calling, in a way. For my brother, he just knew it was what he wanted to do, set his sights on it early in high school, and busted his ass to do it, but he sure as shit didn't do it for the money lol (not to say he won't be comfortable in some time, but it's hardly the route anyone would go if money is the only goal)
Literally nobody attacks doctors compensation not even Bernie. Insurance companies are usually the target of progressive attacks. But even in that argument doctors have a huge part through billing.
I can imagine that if you stay on the straight and narrow as a doctor you may not become as rich as possible. But since there's so much opportunity getting that pharma money I'm pretty sure it's skewed the ethics for your entire profession from top down.
Where are the voices of health professionals speaking counter to propaganda against treatments like hydroxychloroquine, ignoring studies that directly counter claims the misleadia makes or speaking out for the patients who are waiting for cancer or surgeries they need but can't because the hospital cancelled electives? I feel there should be an ethical requirement that you temper down inflammatory disinformation and try to be less alarmist for everybodies sake, something in your bed side manners etiquette. I see the articles here and while that's helpful our cause really needs your accredited voices speaking directly against politicized organizations giving this distorted health advice. Write a letter to your newspaper and speak out against politicized health and science policy. I dunno something more than following orders, please do the right things here.
Doctors are not that smart. I've gone to school with many of them and have had enough contact with doctors to know this. They stop learning as soon as they're out of school it seems. Most of them I think, do not have the ability to assimilate newer medical information on their own.
The problem with this profession is you are trained to memorize information rather than logical thinking.
Eh... plenty of pulmonologists definitely noticed the odd aspects of the patient presentation that varied from traditional ARDS. Your everyday critical care doc might not notice though
People used to argue with me when I claimed that the only continuing education doctors get is from pharma reps on golf junkets. Now they finish my thought when I bring it up.
Logical thinking doesnt work that well with the human body - we aren't as smart as God our creator - I can think of many examples when logic failed us. we need to do research and study our outcomes
The logic part is for problem solving. That is how they found that Hydroxycholoroquine helps. Problem is DEM/SM is fighting tooth and nail to keep solutions away from this problem. The lack of logic on the part of health care providers make a lot of them follow in the footsteps of DEM/SM. The good thing is there are some that have critical thinking skills, and would actually look at and comprehend the data provided instead of dismissing everything as anecdotal evidence. What is a case study.
If you can't see that pharma has taken over the healthcare industry with dangerous consequences to humanity as a whole then you've just not been looking or you're shilling for financial interest. There a reason the worlds richest man left his money maker computer software operation to suddenly turn to marketing and manufacturing vaccines. Individuals deserve to have access to whatever healthcare they need but HEALTHCARE POLICY AND EDUCATION should not be wholly funded by Merck, DuPont, Pfizer and their like and their medical authority absolutely should be questioned.
Also the use of hydroxychloroquine is obviously being pushed back by the medical industry, would you compare it to healing crystals? Because that's what the generalized healthcare industry would seem to be saying. Why are you here in this forum again?
I dunno perhaps Doctors are too stuck on convention or perhaps their schooling has failed them to see viable alternatives to pharmaceuticals. We exalt them in society but this only leaves us scrambling when they are wrong or have been politically corrupted. They aren't selfless or any of the higher virtues we extoll, most are in it for the money and apparently a hell of a lot of them will drop their oath to their patients to serve an oath to their license holders or against threats to their pocketbooks.
This is a huge part of the problem. Doctors treat patients in ways that are documented to work, because they can point to the documentation and say "look it isn't malpractice, it's universally accepted standard of care!"
Doctors have to do a lot of stupid shit to make sure their asses are covered in case someone doesn't get the result they were expecting and decides to sue.
Guess who teaches the doctors what techniques to use? Who influences doctors treatments?
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Are you suggesting that the pharmaceutical industry should be or currently is in charge of health education? Because that's kind of right in that they are. And no, they shouldn't be.
Yeah they indirectly control what is taught through lobbying. They need to sell their drugs so they lobby and get the regs changed. New docs get taught new regs and better treatments are thrown to the wayside because their greed.
I'm a surgery resident. I graduated top of my class in a top 20 college at age 21, and I'll finish all my training at age 37. For many years I raked in debt, and when I wasn't taking in debt, then 50-70k a year raising a family of 3 kids.
I keep in touch with my friends from college - if they didn't pursue training then they were making nearly 6 figures when done, and easily climbed to 100k-200k for the 16 years while I trained.
I'll probably make 500k when I'm done. It'll be a nice reward. But I calculated I'll be 51 before I even out with my friends that started working right after college.
If you think doctors go into this profession to make money, we are either incredibly stupid at making money, or we aren't doing this to make money.
You can also see why people like Bernie that say doctors earn too much are infuriating
Edited to also add... Those training years are lost, you work 80+ hours a week, thankfully I have a supportive wife but you don't get them back
Keep at it, brotha, I know how hard it is (not from personal experience, but my brother). I always chuckle when people rag on doctors, and especially when they say they "do it for the money." Like you, my brother took on massive debt, just recently finished his residency and fellowship, has boatloads of school debt to pay off, and doesn't even make all that much yet, and is just about 40. Won't be a long while before he's "in the green," so to speak on his investment. Just the amount of work the poor bastard had to put in, I don't think I saw him sleep for about 15 years, constantly buried in a book, it's just insane. I've so much respect for anyone that can didicate that much time, effort, money, and just general sacrafice, for something just because it's a calling, in a way. For my brother, he just knew it was what he wanted to do, set his sights on it early in high school, and busted his ass to do it, but he sure as shit didn't do it for the money lol (not to say he won't be comfortable in some time, but it's hardly the route anyone would go if money is the only goal)
Literally nobody attacks doctors compensation not even Bernie. Insurance companies are usually the target of progressive attacks. But even in that argument doctors have a huge part through billing.
I can imagine that if you stay on the straight and narrow as a doctor you may not become as rich as possible. But since there's so much opportunity getting that pharma money I'm pretty sure it's skewed the ethics for your entire profession from top down.
Where are the voices of health professionals speaking counter to propaganda against treatments like hydroxychloroquine, ignoring studies that directly counter claims the misleadia makes or speaking out for the patients who are waiting for cancer or surgeries they need but can't because the hospital cancelled electives? I feel there should be an ethical requirement that you temper down inflammatory disinformation and try to be less alarmist for everybodies sake, something in your bed side manners etiquette. I see the articles here and while that's helpful our cause really needs your accredited voices speaking directly against politicized organizations giving this distorted health advice. Write a letter to your newspaper and speak out against politicized health and science policy. I dunno something more than following orders, please do the right things here.
Doctors are not that smart. I've gone to school with many of them and have had enough contact with doctors to know this. They stop learning as soon as they're out of school it seems. Most of them I think, do not have the ability to assimilate newer medical information on their own.
The problem with this profession is you are trained to memorize information rather than logical thinking.
Eh... plenty of pulmonologists definitely noticed the odd aspects of the patient presentation that varied from traditional ARDS. Your everyday critical care doc might not notice though
They noticed it but do not have the ability to do anything with that information. That is what we are seeing.
People used to argue with me when I claimed that the only continuing education doctors get is from pharma reps on golf junkets. Now they finish my thought when I bring it up.
It really opens your eyes when you need a doctor for something and they don't have any answers.
Logical thinking doesnt work that well with the human body - we aren't as smart as God our creator - I can think of many examples when logic failed us. we need to do research and study our outcomes
The logic part is for problem solving. That is how they found that Hydroxycholoroquine helps. Problem is DEM/SM is fighting tooth and nail to keep solutions away from this problem. The lack of logic on the part of health care providers make a lot of them follow in the footsteps of DEM/SM. The good thing is there are some that have critical thinking skills, and would actually look at and comprehend the data provided instead of dismissing everything as anecdotal evidence. What is a case study.
If you can't see that pharma has taken over the healthcare industry with dangerous consequences to humanity as a whole then you've just not been looking or you're shilling for financial interest. There a reason the worlds richest man left his money maker computer software operation to suddenly turn to marketing and manufacturing vaccines. Individuals deserve to have access to whatever healthcare they need but HEALTHCARE POLICY AND EDUCATION should not be wholly funded by Merck, DuPont, Pfizer and their like and their medical authority absolutely should be questioned.
Also the use of hydroxychloroquine is obviously being pushed back by the medical industry, would you compare it to healing crystals? Because that's what the generalized healthcare industry would seem to be saying. Why are you here in this forum again?
I'm with you. How anyone can have any respect for the western medical system after this is beyond me.
Let me introduce you to this wonderful thing called "homeopathy", my friend!!!
Unfortunately, no they don’t.
Countless plants mimic the effects of certain pharmaceuticals with one tenth the side effects and they are overlooked because they don’t make money.