Spez: Hey guys I'm fucking dumb and on the road getting everyone their meds and shit and rushed my answer its .001-.005 my bad let's all chop our cocks off for an aggressive cold
You know, i think its just disgusting that Al Franken would start this whole covid scare to begin with. I mean sure he was pissed that he was removed from office for hover hands pics, but to release a virus to stop the economic juggernaut that GEOTUS created,, thats just low.
10,290 deaths have been CONFIRMED as Covid deaths, whereas an addition 5,121 deaths were PROBABLE (with very shaky data on "probable"). We can also take issue with "dying WITH Covid" versus "dying FROM Covid."
If we go off of confirmed deaths, that's a rate of .59%. If we go off of probable deaths, that's a rate of .88%.
Realistically, that makes it roughly a .6% death rate based on preliminary data from an area with a large amount of minorities, unhealthy lifestyles, and poverty who live in ridiculously cramped conditions.
For context, a flu ranges from about a .1% death rate to a .2% death rate depending on strain and severity.
So, essentially, we caused an artificial depression for a worst case scenario (given NYC's unique traits and NY's inflated reporting) of .6%. It's roughly three times worse than a bad flu strain.
Draw your own conclusions (we should certainly open up at this point in my estimation), but your math was awful and I had to chime in there.
The eventual infection rate will NOT be 100% anywhere in the country, regardless of any measures that were (or weren't) taken. Many of the weak and susceptible have already been stricken down at this point. Even beyond the shaky numbers, that will also serve to lower the eventual death rate even further from the .6% that this particular study gives us.
From controlled populations like the USS Roosevelt and the Diamond Princess, we now know that 60% of younger populations like those aboard the carrier were asymptomatic for the duration of the illness (presumably).
For the older demographic on the Diamond Princess, the asymptomatic rate dropped to about 18%.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest 30-50%, adjusted for age, would be asymptomatic though. But I do think 65% may be a bit on the high end.
I would guess this explains why Sweden's numbers aren't the extreme outliers everyone was predicting.
While it's not true that they did "nothing," and they still closed some schools, among other things, this data suggests that if we'd done something similar, we might have only seen a slight increase.
The best part is that the mask suggestion (rather that they "don't help") came from the WHO.
Surprise, surprise.
What's stupid is that we have the ability to mitigate even that, and there's ongoing research to use low power UVC to sanitize surfaces that would probably work even in grocery stores. Dr. Seheult had a video lecture on this including links to research, but the FDA said it will take "too long" to approve low power UVC for use in a general setting. And our production is all outsourced to China anyway.
If I said I were incredibly frustrated and annoyed over this entire situation, that would probably be the understatement of the year.
about 15% of them actually died of the WuHan virus. the rest were inflated numbers claiming that every death is from Corona.
Deaths due to cancer? down 87% of average.
Deaths due to Heart Attack? down 84.7% of average.
the list goes on and on. this is a grand HOAX, carried out by democrats trying desperately to crash Trump's economy... Democrats are an enemy combatant. and should be treated s such. They colluded with China, and continue to brainwash the people... its disgusting.
Probably not. We don't know how many people are dying because the medical establishment had retooled entirely too handle the Wu Flu. People missing aggressive cancers, stent placements, that sort of thing. We also don't know how many people are avoiding death from malpractice...
So if NYC has 20% and still seeing that many deaths, what are the numbers in CA? We must have a good 30-40% infected already. (Going on the working theory that the wuflu was here late last year)
I saw somebody say this same thing the other day, but when I googled I couldn't find anything about it. It was specifically about pneumonia death rate plummeting, but I searched everything.
Whatever the number is. Also deaths due to cancer is probably down because they're not getting chemo which kills them faster than the cancer itself. Also my argument is trying to point out that its probably safe to open back up. So you getting all offended by the number of deaths, whatever it may be is very low iq.
I stand correct. You're right. "We" aren't doing it. I am furious, too, you aren't alone. This whole situation is completely frustrating. The arbitrary restrictions (tennis nets taken down, volleyball nets stay up. Walmart can be open and full of people, local small hockey store has to be closed) infuriate me. In MN they've already closed our beaches and pools for the entire summer. They made a decision like that in April. I am fuming.
Sure. 94 deaths in Santa Clara County according to data from April 23rd.
The study (with several valid concerns about participant selection) put forth that 2.8% to 5.6% of Santa Clara's population was infected.
Santa Clara County's population is roughly 1.78 million.
2.8% to 5.6% of the population equates to ~50,000 to 100,000.
94 deaths is the equivalent of .188% to .376%, in line with roughly twice as nasty as a bad strain of the flu.
A bit more optimistic than the New York numbers, but other factors (such as lifestyle, participant selection, and dying WITH versus FROM) factor in and could make them in line with each other.
again, FAKE INFLATED death numbers. check the number of heart attack and cancer deaths against the averages in those states, and you'll find that the Wuhan virus numbers are inflated 3-5 times.
the reported Corona deaths are inflated by 3-5 times. measure them against the deaths due to cancer and heart attack for the same regions and you'll find that those numbers are down by 85% or so... so unless the China virus cures cancer and heart attacks, somebody is misclassifying deaths.
There’s a post a few weeks ago by me where I ended up with the same numbers. I’ve been called all kinds of things when trying to tell people this.
Two other points for your calculations. 70% of all testing is inaccurate or in other words 30% false negative. The antibody testing in our detecting equipment pick up of ther strains of Coronavirus and are hardly reliable in detecting true COVID-19 recovered patients.
Blame? How about who is going to fucking pay for it?
The rest of my life will be very different because of this. China fucking owes us, big time. I want a check from the tariffs to help cover this nonsense.
I'd rather pay more to have my crap manufactured in Indonesia, Vietnam or Mexico than buy another damn Chinese product. We're taking the WW2 veteran approach to Japanese cars in my household. No more Chinese crap for us.
If you take any medicine, 85% of that shit is made in Chyna. Notice they don't put on the bottles where the stuff is made just who distributes it, and this is stuff going into our bodies.
I remember my grandmother looking at the underside of a toy car I liked at the store. As it said made in Japan she made me put it down and refused to buy it because of its origin.
Animosity was not the reason for rejecting Japanese products. It was that they were junk. Then Demming couldn't get an audience here and was taken to heart in Japan. Taught them about quality.
Between our governments it was very much a quick reconciliation. I think the animosity from veterans comes more from seeing the fanatic brutality of the Japanese soldiers. Certainly anyone who was in a PoW camp had ample reason to hate the Japanese for life.
Blame? Anyone that could be blamed will dodge that bullet. That's the way it works when you're part of the ruling class. Fauci, DiBlasio, Cum-o, that bitch governor in Michigan, my very own Gov. Coonman....nothing is going to happen to them.
Been saying this from the beginning. On top of that, it’s not like the shelter in place would mathematically be expected to curb infection if everybody’s forced into hubs like grocery stores.
It’ll be interesting to see how the media deals with the fact that this was never a big deal. They spent 24/7 since peachmints saying this was a big deal, so they can’t go against that. Trump took it seriously, which they did not expect, so they can’t knock him for taking it seriously.
This is probably the biggest hoax I’ll ever see in my lifetime. It’s unprecedented. And left states are still pushing for MORE and LONGER and STRICTER lockdowns.
Same here! Still working and this pisses me off so much. Granted, most of my friends work at pizza hut or the like so it's not like they are losing much by getting laid off! In fact, it probably pays them more to be unemployed right now...
I am beyond angry over this. They fucking ruined a economy for nothing but their political gain.
I am pissed because people are so fucking weak and can't use reason. Because of this Trump had to go along with it or they would use it against him big time. But it was a smart move on his part because now people see the fucking shit show, instead of MSM brushing it under the fucking rug .
My logic was that it was a corona virus. This virus has been equivalent to other corona virus. And I expected it would be similar to a corana virus. It's a corona virus. So yeah by definition it was never a big deal. When we ran out of toilet paper for no reason I knew media was in control of this mess. That told me something was off. Following libs like Maggie Haberman on twitter, watching the media coverage of it. The invalidation of the models occurred nearly instantly. There was never one second that any of this made sense. Obvious Bullshit.
I've been looking at data from NC (before they started getting all fuckery with it) and the death rate by age is almost identical to the flu. The issue is low number of young persons that die from the flue in general messes with statistical analysis (in NC population of 10mil for 2018 it was 9 deaths and in 2019 it was 7 deaths for under the age of 24).
2018 Flu deaths - Age 0-17: 2.3% - Age 25-49: 5.1% - Age 50-64: 18.4% - Age 65+: 74.2%
2019 Flu deaths - Age 0-17: 3.5% - Age 25-49: 8.9% - Age 50-64: 24.1% - Age 65+: 63.5%
2020 Chinese Flu deaths (Early Data)- Age 0-17: 0% - Age 25-49: 10% - Age 50-64: 20% - Age 65+: 70%
2020 Chinese Flu deaths (Current w/ non test confirmed deaths)- Age 0-17: 0% - Age 25-49: 4% - Age 50-64: 11% - Age 65+: 84%
A weak flu at that. The seasonal flu strains are actually dangerous to children and can take down healthy people, the Kung Flu is basically harmless to children and needs an adult to be elderly and very sick in order to do be dangerous.
Reopen everything NOW. This is insanity. I don't care if it's Trump, the governor, the local dogcatcher. If you're standing in the way of full immediate reopening of the economy at this point, you're destroying Americans' futures needlessly.
I have written Trump to open NOW but he understandably doesn’t listen to me!!! BUT, why isn’t he listening to Rush? Fauci is a fraud that needs to be prosecuted.
Have a feeling that's happening in my county. Mayor is ramping up testing next week, hoping to see a spike so she can try and convince the governor to keep the state shut down. I fucking hate blue mayors in red states
That's how studies work. And everywhere else studies keep finding the same thing. Millions already have antibodies which means the virus is orders of magnitude less deadly than simply dividing deaths by confirmed cases.
Somewhere between 1-2 orders of magnitude to be precise. 145,855 cases, 11,267 deaths = 0.078 case-fatality ratio (7.8%). If this data is correct, then the true CFR is about .005 or half a percentage point (0.5%). Still about 5 times worse than a pretty bad flu. Not the bubonic plague or SARS, but pretty bad.
100% agree on the testing front. Even if govs open up (which I think is probably premature, much like GEOTUS), people are justifiably scared and our economy is going to take a bigger hit if we open up prematurely! More testing is super necessary in order to make that more sensible.
I think you can’t see the big picture with this. This study, and many others have provided evidence that Covid-19 has a higher transmission rate and lower fatality rate than any model has shown. The fatality rate is far lower than the rate predicted that has our economy shut down.
We're talking about mortality rate, that is exactly how it works. In fact with mortality rate the area that is most infected (NY) is the best area to sample from.
Yep. Shills and weak kneed pedes down voting anyone who didn't treat this like the bubonic plague mixed with AIDS with a little ebola on top for seasoning.
Also to the actual pedes here: There are shills working very hard to stir up disinformation on Covid. Be aware that anytime someone distorts what geotus says, it is likely part of a gaslighting campaign to discredit everyone.
Regarding your degree: is it true that there is no such thing as a test that confirms you have the specific virus CoV-ID-19? It can only identify a virus in the coronavirus family? That's what I've been reading, thought I'd ask a professional's opinion.
Stanford made two tests available: a PCR and an antibody test. There are others by private entities I am aware of but Stanford isn't charging $100/test.
The antibody test can have false positives. I don't know the rate and I don't think it is known. PCR can have false negatives, not enough virus present in the sample to replicate. You won't get false positives though, RNA is RNA.
There is antigen testing, which tests for the specific antigens your body produces against foreign proteins.
Most viruses have a protein shell which covers their RNA strand(s), that your body would recognize on an immunological point if you've had the disease.
Yes, it can also be done for the corona virus family, if one wanted to be less specific.
The caveat is that the more specific the test, the greater the possibility of false negatives and false positives becomes.
Two forms of error here:
False negative = a negative result when in fact you are positive.
False positive = a positive result when in fact you are negative.
So yes, you can get tested specifically for SARS-CoV2, and you can get tested for Corona viruses in general.
The former will tell within certain degrees of errors whether you've had THE corona virus.
The latter will tell you with great certainty that you've had A corona virus, but it likely isn't THE corona virus we're wanting to know about (There are about 4-5 corona viruses which cause colds).
Here is the problem with this hoax. You only get to cry wolf one time on an epic scale such as this. So when a real killer virus pandemic comes along we are not going to believe any projection or death toll because we have been lied to once. This will hurt us in the future way more than it does now. That being said now we are being duped and robed of our liberties by some very very very bad people.
They are using this to keep people from getting it so that it comes back stronger in the Fall during the election. That way, Trump's older base will be discouraged from voting in person, and pushed to the "completely fair" mail-in ballots. The Deep State is squeezing this toothpaste virus as hard as they can to get every last bit out of the tube. Of course the virus attacks older Americans, who mostly vote Trump, and they'll use the "old people will die if they go out and vote" to discourage Trump's base from voting.
That won't stop them for pushing mandatory Mail In voting and/or putting up lots of road blocks for you to vote in person. All they have to say is "if you have never been tested for Coronavirus, you are not allowed to vote in election halls."
Every fucking day these studies come out and the MSM brushes over them. Meanwhile, 1 flawed study out of the VA and suddenly Trump killed people with HCQ. It's almost like they have an agenda.
Ah yes, "2nd wave", the new fake news media buzzword, along with "herd immunity" which is quite funny. How the fuck can we have herd immunity if we're all under house arrest?
Cuomo was hoping all the pissing and moaning during this bullshit would allow him to dupe the administration into rescuing NY from bankruptcy so he can keep spending billions on illegals and welfare to stay in office indefinitely.
You mean the fact that the flu vaccine that was not very effective last year, could be a sign that many of us already got COVID-19 and beat it already?! What a concept.
Everybody who participated in this hoax needs to be punished. That includes own own Doomer McKaren boot-licking shitbirds who have been peddling their nonsense here for weeks.
I think this has probably been the thing Trump has handled the worst, but not because of his "inaction" or whatever the fuck the left says. I think he caved to hard to fast. This shit is not that bad
We have 20K deaths in NY alone. so if you take that over the entire country it would be 200K if only 20% get infected and 2 million if everyone is infected so the number of dead is correct. The problem is that the virus is very hard on old and fat people and we have a abundance of both.
I knew it from the beginning. Un-fucking-believable. This will go down as the biggest hoax/scam/overreaction in American history. OPEN EVERYTHING NOW. DO IT NOW.
With more news of the infected group being much larger than "the experts" suspected, the mortality rate needs to be broke down into subsets so we can go back to normal. Focus testing and lockdowns on the most vulnerable. The MSM always says we have to trust the science, listen to "the experts" buy they are always wrong, always. I have been screaming that it was here last year. It festered in Wuhan for months until it got out of control and they had to lock it down just like NYC. It was in Cali last year, maybe Nov or Oct. It went undetected because we weren't looking for it. In the dense cities there could still be some issues, but for most of America I don't think so. Thank God this thing will hopefully will be winding down soon.
Assuming 20% of population has cv antibodies, that would 70,000,000 Americans with CV.
49,700 / 330,000,000 = .00071
That's .07% death rate.
You might think these numbers are too optimistic, and perhaps they are, but I personally believe the number of infected Americans to be around 120 million.
True. I’ve also been reading a lot about how to build up one’s immune system through diet and vitamins. This mess has actually made me look at what I’m eating, drinking, etc. with more concern for my everyday health.
Mortality rate of .0001-.0004
Who's going to take the blame on this hoax?
Spez: Hey guys I'm fucking dumb and on the road getting everyone their meds and shit and rushed my answer its .001-.005 my bad let's all chop our cocks off for an aggressive cold
I'd like to see Al Franken get blamed for this whole fiasco, even though he had nothing to do with it. I don't like Al Franken.
Al "grab their tits while they sleep" Franken?
It was worth giving up his senate career to grab them titties
And oh so witty and hilarious./s I wasn't for anyone over the age of 12.
Al Frankenstein the election thief
You know, i think its just disgusting that Al Franken would start this whole covid scare to begin with. I mean sure he was pissed that he was removed from office for hover hands pics, but to release a virus to stop the economic juggernaut that GEOTUS created,, thats just low.
The population of New York City is 8.3 million.
21% of New York City has been infected.
That gives us 1,743,000 infections.
10,290 deaths have been CONFIRMED as Covid deaths, whereas an addition 5,121 deaths were PROBABLE (with very shaky data on "probable"). We can also take issue with "dying WITH Covid" versus "dying FROM Covid."
If we go off of confirmed deaths, that's a rate of .59%. If we go off of probable deaths, that's a rate of .88%.
Realistically, that makes it roughly a .6% death rate based on preliminary data from an area with a large amount of minorities, unhealthy lifestyles, and poverty who live in ridiculously cramped conditions.
For context, a flu ranges from about a .1% death rate to a .2% death rate depending on strain and severity.
So, essentially, we caused an artificial depression for a worst case scenario (given NYC's unique traits and NY's inflated reporting) of .6%. It's roughly three times worse than a bad flu strain.
Draw your own conclusions (we should certainly open up at this point in my estimation), but your math was awful and I had to chime in there.
Username checks out. This guy calculates.
Democraps dont do math, feels over reals.
What a nerd!
That's .6% of infected, right? Not total population?
Anyway, I'm old enough to remember Merkel claiming 80% infection rate and the WHO claiming 3.4% dead.
Indeed. .6% of those infected.
By total population, that's ~.12% or so.
The eventual infection rate will NOT be 100% anywhere in the country, regardless of any measures that were (or weren't) taken. Many of the weak and susceptible have already been stricken down at this point. Even beyond the shaky numbers, that will also serve to lower the eventual death rate even further from the .6% that this particular study gives us.
65% of the people who have tested positive didn't even know they had it. If everybody in the country got tested I bet more than 80% are asymptomatic.
Depends on the demographic.
From controlled populations like the USS Roosevelt and the Diamond Princess, we now know that 60% of younger populations like those aboard the carrier were asymptomatic for the duration of the illness (presumably).
For the older demographic on the Diamond Princess, the asymptomatic rate dropped to about 18%.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest 30-50%, adjusted for age, would be asymptomatic though. But I do think 65% may be a bit on the high end.
I would guess this explains why Sweden's numbers aren't the extreme outliers everyone was predicting.
While it's not true that they did "nothing," and they still closed some schools, among other things, this data suggests that if we'd done something similar, we might have only seen a slight increase.
And I heard NYC didn’t even shut down the subways. What’s even the point of a lockdown if that’s still being used?
The best part is that the mask suggestion (rather that they "don't help") came from the WHO.
Surprise, surprise.
What's stupid is that we have the ability to mitigate even that, and there's ongoing research to use low power UVC to sanitize surfaces that would probably work even in grocery stores. Dr. Seheult had a video lecture on this including links to research, but the FDA said it will take "too long" to approve low power UVC for use in a general setting. And our production is all outsourced to China anyway.
If I said I were incredibly frustrated and annoyed over this entire situation, that would probably be the understatement of the year.
.12% is percentage of New Yorkers that have ALREADY died...
about 15% of them actually died of the WuHan virus. the rest were inflated numbers claiming that every death is from Corona.
Deaths due to cancer? down 87% of average. Deaths due to Heart Attack? down 84.7% of average.
the list goes on and on. this is a grand HOAX, carried out by democrats trying desperately to crash Trump's economy... Democrats are an enemy combatant. and should be treated s such. They colluded with China, and continue to brainwash the people... its disgusting.
It's amazing how the Wuhan Flu cured pneumonia over night!
I mean, are they claiming that all of those people are just dead in their houses?
Probably not. We don't know how many people are dying because the medical establishment had retooled entirely too handle the Wu Flu. People missing aggressive cancers, stent placements, that sort of thing. We also don't know how many people are avoiding death from malpractice...
And when you add in the rest of the country with NYC those numbers are even a smaller percentage. We are destroying our country for absolute bullshit.
It’s time we all rip off our masks, go out side and be the Patriots our ancestors were when they poured tea in the Boston Harbor
I saw the Cali numbers yesterday. This confirms them and confirms the fact that I don't know how to place my decimals correctly.
Fucking open everything before the people find out how fucked this all is.
So if NYC has 20% and still seeing that many deaths, what are the numbers in CA? We must have a good 30-40% infected already. (Going on the working theory that the wuflu was here late last year)
How many deaths? you mean the ones they INFLATE? interestingly enough, in the same time period, in NY,
Isn't that curious.
i would love to have the sauce on that
I saw somebody say this same thing the other day, but when I googled I couldn't find anything about it. It was specifically about pneumonia death rate plummeting, but I searched everything.
Got a link?
Whatever the number is. Also deaths due to cancer is probably down because they're not getting chemo which kills them faster than the cancer itself. Also my argument is trying to point out that its probably safe to open back up. So you getting all offended by the number of deaths, whatever it may be is very low iq.
man did you miss the point.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/20/l-a-county-study-coronavirus-outbreak-up-to-55-times-more-widespread-less-deadly-than-predicted/
TOO LATE. ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN KNOWS HOW FUCKED THIS ALL IS!
I stand correct. You're right. "We" aren't doing it. I am furious, too, you aren't alone. This whole situation is completely frustrating. The arbitrary restrictions (tennis nets taken down, volleyball nets stay up. Walmart can be open and full of people, local small hockey store has to be closed) infuriate me. In MN they've already closed our beaches and pools for the entire summer. They made a decision like that in April. I am fuming.
Now do the USC LA county study death rate
Sure. 94 deaths in Santa Clara County according to data from April 23rd.
The study (with several valid concerns about participant selection) put forth that 2.8% to 5.6% of Santa Clara's population was infected.
Santa Clara County's population is roughly 1.78 million.
2.8% to 5.6% of the population equates to ~50,000 to 100,000.
94 deaths is the equivalent of .188% to .376%, in line with roughly twice as nasty as a bad strain of the flu.
A bit more optimistic than the New York numbers, but other factors (such as lifestyle, participant selection, and dying WITH versus FROM) factor in and could make them in line with each other.
again, FAKE INFLATED death numbers. check the number of heart attack and cancer deaths against the averages in those states, and you'll find that the Wuhan virus numbers are inflated 3-5 times.
It's becoming more and more probably that China pushed those videos out so we would self-denotate. And our idiots took the bait.
Agree
the reported Corona deaths are inflated by 3-5 times. measure them against the deaths due to cancer and heart attack for the same regions and you'll find that those numbers are down by 85% or so... so unless the China virus cures cancer and heart attacks, somebody is misclassifying deaths.
So once there’s a vaccine the death rate will probably equal that of the flu....no?
There’s a post a few weeks ago by me where I ended up with the same numbers. I’ve been called all kinds of things when trying to tell people this. Two other points for your calculations. 70% of all testing is inaccurate or in other words 30% false negative. The antibody testing in our detecting equipment pick up of ther strains of Coronavirus and are hardly reliable in detecting true COVID-19 recovered patients.
Blame? How about who is going to fucking pay for it?
The rest of my life will be very different because of this. China fucking owes us, big time. I want a check from the tariffs to help cover this nonsense.
I'd rather pay more to have my crap manufactured in Indonesia, Vietnam or Mexico than buy another damn Chinese product. We're taking the WW2 veteran approach to Japanese cars in my household. No more Chinese crap for us.
If you take any medicine, 85% of that shit is made in Chyna. Notice they don't put on the bottles where the stuff is made just who distributes it, and this is stuff going into our bodies.
My grandfather was a mechanic and a WWII Marine in the Pacific theater. He refused to work on Japanese cars to the day he died.
I remember my grandmother looking at the underside of a toy car I liked at the store. As it said made in Japan she made me put it down and refused to buy it because of its origin.
Animosity was not the reason for rejecting Japanese products. It was that they were junk. Then Demming couldn't get an audience here and was taken to heart in Japan. Taught them about quality.
Between our governments it was very much a quick reconciliation. I think the animosity from veterans comes more from seeing the fanatic brutality of the Japanese soldiers. Certainly anyone who was in a PoW camp had ample reason to hate the Japanese for life.
Always deal with a traitor before an enemy. China is an easy one anyways. All we have to do is close our borders and pretend like they don’t exist
Exactly my point, we need a lynchmob headed their way
Looking like time to name China and the CCP as a terrorist org.
Fauci, Birx, and Uncle Nestor CDC guy
Don’t forget Gates and Bloomberg’s School at Harvard.
Hang you mean
Too quick. They need a slow, painful death. These people have literally fucked the whole world with their hoax.
Blame? Anyone that could be blamed will dodge that bullet. That's the way it works when you're part of the ruling class. Fauci, DiBlasio, Cum-o, that bitch governor in Michigan, my very own Gov. Coonman....nothing is going to happen to them.
It's the flu.
Funny how the death toll for this virus almost completely coincides with projected death toll for the flu/pneumonia...
Edit: for those wondering https://nchstats.com/2020/03/09/flu-pneumonia-toll-in-the-u-s-57688-deaths-per-year/ You can also take the tedious time to compile the cdc’s data that takes forever for them to report.
Been saying this from the beginning. On top of that, it’s not like the shelter in place would mathematically be expected to curb infection if everybody’s forced into hubs like grocery stores.
It’ll be interesting to see how the media deals with the fact that this was never a big deal. They spent 24/7 since peachmints saying this was a big deal, so they can’t go against that. Trump took it seriously, which they did not expect, so they can’t knock him for taking it seriously.
This is probably the biggest hoax I’ll ever see in my lifetime. It’s unprecedented. And left states are still pushing for MORE and LONGER and STRICTER lockdowns.
I've said this since March 15. Feels good to know you're not crazy. WHAT A SCAM.
100% agree. I don't think I've ever been this angry in my life. It was obviously bullshit from the beginning.
Actually has made me understood how 3rd world country riots start occuring.
Stuns me how more people aren't livid over this. We're such a docile society now
My life has literally been not affected, my PT friends who ARE LAID OFF literally give no fucks. I am livid and haven't even been laid off etc.
I told one PT friend I was going to protest, he goes what are you an ararchist. WTF PPL WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Same here! Still working and this pisses me off so much. Granted, most of my friends work at pizza hut or the like so it's not like they are losing much by getting laid off! In fact, it probably pays them more to be unemployed right now...
I am beyond angry over this. They fucking ruined a economy for nothing but their political gain.
I am pissed because people are so fucking weak and can't use reason. Because of this Trump had to go along with it or they would use it against him big time. But it was a smart move on his part because now people see the fucking shit show, instead of MSM brushing it under the fucking rug .
Why have people become so damn weak?
Lack of parenting, indoctrination from public schools, SJW, MSM and much more.
What information did you use to know this from the beginning? Not trying to be argumentative; just want to be better prepared in the future.
My logic was that it was a corona virus. This virus has been equivalent to other corona virus. And I expected it would be similar to a corana virus. It's a corona virus. So yeah by definition it was never a big deal. When we ran out of toilet paper for no reason I knew media was in control of this mess. That told me something was off. Following libs like Maggie Haberman on twitter, watching the media coverage of it. The invalidation of the models occurred nearly instantly. There was never one second that any of this made sense. Obvious Bullshit.
go out and protest then
Actually, it is a nasty cold that gets into the lungs.
I've been looking at data from NC (before they started getting all fuckery with it) and the death rate by age is almost identical to the flu. The issue is low number of young persons that die from the flue in general messes with statistical analysis (in NC population of 10mil for 2018 it was 9 deaths and in 2019 it was 7 deaths for under the age of 24).
2018 Flu deaths - Age 0-17: 2.3% - Age 25-49: 5.1% - Age 50-64: 18.4% - Age 65+: 74.2%
2019 Flu deaths - Age 0-17: 3.5% - Age 25-49: 8.9% - Age 50-64: 24.1% - Age 65+: 63.5%
2020 Chinese Flu deaths (Early Data)- Age 0-17: 0% - Age 25-49: 10% - Age 50-64: 20% - Age 65+: 70%
2020 Chinese Flu deaths (Current w/ non test confirmed deaths)- Age 0-17: 0% - Age 25-49: 4% - Age 50-64: 11% - Age 65+: 84%
It's almost like socialist countries with a stagnant economies have shitty healthcare systems.
Think it was 2015 80000 people died at the peak of four months of seasonal flu in the US. Two months in and we are about at those kind of numbers.
A weak flu at that. The seasonal flu strains are actually dangerous to children and can take down healthy people, the Kung Flu is basically harmless to children and needs an adult to be elderly and very sick in order to do be dangerous.
So China also creates garbage bio-weapons along with everything else? Color me surprised.
Wrong! It’s the CHINESE FLU!
No no no...it's the cold! See all better, and China shows us how to deal with it on "leaked" instructional videos.
It's not the flu. It's a cold.
Reopen everything NOW. This is insanity. I don't care if it's Trump, the governor, the local dogcatcher. If you're standing in the way of full immediate reopening of the economy at this point, you're destroying Americans' futures needlessly.
I have written Trump to open NOW but he understandably doesn’t listen to me!!! BUT, why isn’t he listening to Rush? Fauci is a fraud that needs to be prosecuted.
We all need to be writing.
Have a feeling that's happening in my county. Mayor is ramping up testing next week, hoping to see a spike so she can try and convince the governor to keep the state shut down. I fucking hate blue mayors in red states
That's how studies work. And everywhere else studies keep finding the same thing. Millions already have antibodies which means the virus is orders of magnitude less deadly than simply dividing deaths by confirmed cases.
Somewhere between 1-2 orders of magnitude to be precise. 145,855 cases, 11,267 deaths = 0.078 case-fatality ratio (7.8%). If this data is correct, then the true CFR is about .005 or half a percentage point (0.5%). Still about 5 times worse than a pretty bad flu. Not the bubonic plague or SARS, but pretty bad.
100% agree on the testing front. Even if govs open up (which I think is probably premature, much like GEOTUS), people are justifiably scared and our economy is going to take a bigger hit if we open up prematurely! More testing is super necessary in order to make that more sensible.
We can't test everyone in the country. This is how statistics work.. You only need a sample to extrapolate to the large amount infected.
Just because you can slant polls that doesn't mean that these tests are invalid.
I think you can’t see the big picture with this. This study, and many others have provided evidence that Covid-19 has a higher transmission rate and lower fatality rate than any model has shown. The fatality rate is far lower than the rate predicted that has our economy shut down.
Chinese virus is a bio-weapon to wipe out the elderly. If you are young or healthy, it’s just another cold, flu or nothing at all.
We're talking about mortality rate, that is exactly how it works. In fact with mortality rate the area that is most infected (NY) is the best area to sample from.
We're usually always correct because we are logical thinkers who do not have binary viewpoints.
Yep. Shills and weak kneed pedes down voting anyone who didn't treat this like the bubonic plague mixed with AIDS with a little ebola on top for seasoning.
Even still, when you put these studies in front of people, they instantly try and discredit. People don't want this to end
Hindsight 2020! Way to go!
LOL my numbers confirmed again
https://thedonald.win/p/FMgywP4d/x/c/11PpG2LpZp
Also to the actual pedes here: There are shills working very hard to stir up disinformation on Covid. Be aware that anytime someone distorts what geotus says, it is likely part of a gaslighting campaign to discredit everyone.
Yup, that's the only part of T_D I miss really. Suddenly everyone knows more than the Pres.
Spez: it's clear just looking at the NYC death toll that this isn't a total hoax. Exaggerated? Sure. Doesn't mean that it was nothing.
Definitely exaggerated..on a hyperbolic scale.
Picture of the degree, held that ace in your pocket for just the right time. 👌🏽👍🏽
That was the other 'pede i was conversing with.
Call it out and they'll flip the script on you, labeling you as an agent of the CCP.
Regarding your degree: is it true that there is no such thing as a test that confirms you have the specific virus CoV-ID-19? It can only identify a virus in the coronavirus family? That's what I've been reading, thought I'd ask a professional's opinion.
Stanford made two tests available: a PCR and an antibody test. There are others by private entities I am aware of but Stanford isn't charging $100/test.
The antibody test can have false positives. I don't know the rate and I don't think it is known. PCR can have false negatives, not enough virus present in the sample to replicate. You won't get false positives though, RNA is RNA.
There is antigen testing, which tests for the specific antigens your body produces against foreign proteins.
Most viruses have a protein shell which covers their RNA strand(s), that your body would recognize on an immunological point if you've had the disease.
Yes, it can also be done for the corona virus family, if one wanted to be less specific.
The caveat is that the more specific the test, the greater the possibility of false negatives and false positives becomes.
Two forms of error here:
False negative = a negative result when in fact you are positive. False positive = a positive result when in fact you are negative.
So yes, you can get tested specifically for SARS-CoV2, and you can get tested for Corona viruses in general.
The former will tell within certain degrees of errors whether you've had THE corona virus.
The latter will tell you with great certainty that you've had A corona virus, but it likely isn't THE corona virus we're wanting to know about (There are about 4-5 corona viruses which cause colds).
Hope this helps.
Here is the problem with this hoax. You only get to cry wolf one time on an epic scale such as this. So when a real killer virus pandemic comes along we are not going to believe any projection or death toll because we have been lied to once. This will hurt us in the future way more than it does now. That being said now we are being duped and robed of our liberties by some very very very bad people.
We'll see what happens when they use "climate change" as an excuse to lock us all up. I'm willing to bet people will cave again.
They are using this to keep people from getting it so that it comes back stronger in the Fall during the election. That way, Trump's older base will be discouraged from voting in person, and pushed to the "completely fair" mail-in ballots. The Deep State is squeezing this toothpaste virus as hard as they can to get every last bit out of the tube. Of course the virus attacks older Americans, who mostly vote Trump, and they'll use the "old people will die if they go out and vote" to discourage Trump's base from voting.
Funny because my ‘ ‘senior’ relatives are the least afraid of this thing
That won't stop them for pushing mandatory Mail In voting and/or putting up lots of road blocks for you to vote in person. All they have to say is "if you have never been tested for Coronavirus, you are not allowed to vote in election halls."
Most are, so is everyone who’s seen these “apocalypses” come and go every so often.
The only ones pushing it are panicked doomer 20-30 year olds and the MSM and their politicians
Older 'Pede here, with multiple medical issues which heighten risk. Can confirm - no fear here.
Most everyone I know who is scared right now...are people 15-40 years younger than me with no medical issues.
I'm 67. Plan on voting Trump if I have to walk through the plague, fire or a hail of bullets.
If there was anyone with that long term thinking and acting the illumnati would be real!
Let's be balanced not like /r/politics
Oh wow, its almost like all this was just unnecessary economic hardship to try out further authoritarian policies.
Every fucking day these studies come out and the MSM brushes over them. Meanwhile, 1 flawed study out of the VA and suddenly Trump killed people with HCQ. It's almost like they have an agenda.
Time to start digging. What we know the elites have done:
When Fauci said it's "best to overeact" like 1.5 months ago I knew he was a fucking moron. Then he says only 25-50% of cases are unreported. GTFO.
Ah yes, "2nd wave", the new fake news media buzzword, along with "herd immunity" which is quite funny. How the fuck can we have herd immunity if we're all under house arrest?
Let’s hang Fauci. I’m fine with that. He won’t let this be brought up today
Trump needs to read this study in the press conference TODAY! No more waiting. Open the country up.
Cuomo was hoping all the pissing and moaning during this bullshit would allow him to dupe the administration into rescuing NY from bankruptcy so he can keep spending billions on illegals and welfare to stay in office indefinitely.
HEY DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHEN FAUCI SAID ONLY 25-50% OF CASES WERE NOT REPORTED. WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT.
It's time to realize we were taken for a ride, we all overreacted and get back to normal
That's been clear to some of us since, oh about March 16th, when the manufactured hysteria really began to ramp up.
You mean the fact that the flu vaccine that was not very effective last year, could be a sign that many of us already got COVID-19 and beat it already?! What a concept.
DUPED!
SMACKLEDORFED!
Everybody who participated in this hoax needs to be punished. That includes own own Doomer McKaren boot-licking shitbirds who have been peddling their nonsense here for weeks.
So how much longer is the majority of the population going to keep playing along with the narrative? Never seen so many people get hoodwinked.
9/11
This also similar to the findings in California with antibody testing.
And Chicago.
three months from now, Democrats will be blaming Trump for overreacting
Any chance Trump brings this up at today's press beating?
Honestly, OAN should bring it up and stop throwing Trump softballs.
Any chance he saw this earlier than we did? Why else would he say a state is opening too early?
20%? It's much higher than that.
They've just scaled up the numbers from the test not actually testing everyone.
its over
I think this has probably been the thing Trump has handled the worst, but not because of his "inaction" or whatever the fuck the left says. I think he caved to hard to fast. This shit is not that bad
The TDS is the comment section of The Hill articles is astronomical. Dear lord.
wait till we find out who perpetuated this massive hoax. This isn't just an "oops I made a mistake" kind of thing here.
We have 20K deaths in NY alone. so if you take that over the entire country it would be 200K if only 20% get infected and 2 million if everyone is infected so the number of dead is correct. The problem is that the virus is very hard on old and fat people and we have a abundance of both.
BUT CNN SAID ANTIBODIES ARE NOT A GUARANTEE OF IMMUNITY TANGERINE MAN BAD
I knew it from the beginning. Un-fucking-believable. This will go down as the biggest hoax/scam/overreaction in American history. OPEN EVERYTHING NOW. DO IT NOW.
Heads of the CDC and NIH.
Stick a fork in this HOAX boys! CHY-NUH.
It seems herd immunity is being achieved wether they like it or not.
So much for this thing getting really bad again next fall. NICE!
only if it doesn't mutate like the flu.
Why aren't we at 30% antibodies, you might ask
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Antibodies for Covid 19 or for Corona virus in general?
Shit needs to open up real soon or this is not going to be good.
Link broken?
What does this mean for the mortality rate?
With more news of the infected group being much larger than "the experts" suspected, the mortality rate needs to be broke down into subsets so we can go back to normal. Focus testing and lockdowns on the most vulnerable. The MSM always says we have to trust the science, listen to "the experts" buy they are always wrong, always. I have been screaming that it was here last year. It festered in Wuhan for months until it got out of control and they had to lock it down just like NYC. It was in Cali last year, maybe Nov or Oct. It went undetected because we weren't looking for it. In the dense cities there could still be some issues, but for most of America I don't think so. Thank God this thing will hopefully will be winding down soon.
Been saying this forever!
20% assume it's 70ish! Not all people have been tested.
This whole thing is a scam
US pop: 330,000,000 CoV related deaths: 49,700
Assuming 20% of population has cv antibodies, that would 70,000,000 Americans with CV.
49,700 / 330,000,000 = .00071
That's .07% death rate.
You might think these numbers are too optimistic, and perhaps they are, but I personally believe the number of infected Americans to be around 120 million.
Fauci will just say its anecdotal and that he needs 15 more studies that call confirm the same thing
True. I’ve also been reading a lot about how to build up one’s immune system through diet and vitamins. This mess has actually made me look at what I’m eating, drinking, etc. with more concern for my everyday health.