it doesn't work on iOS on older devices. Like at all. Most of the links are javascript driven instead of html - and whatever ver they're using - older iOS versions are puking on it.
Good, this needs to happen more. Cops have an enormous amount of personal discretion to interpret laws as they see fit. In this case, the cop is personally responsible for arresting the lady. He obviously had other options.
With authority comes great responsibility! We the people face massive damages when authority is not used responsibly. In this context, the peaceful protesting should be personal so that other cops may learn from the failures of their colleagues.
good! this should start happening everywhere. if these lockdowns are NOT lifted in a month, and they keep going on, even as this thing keeps burning out....it's time to unleash hell.
God damn. This is America. This is what it's all about. Absolutely beautiful. Civil. This is the basis of Western Civilization and the United States.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I think those are just emotions ("liberty or death" and whatnot). Fortunately our people always seem to have good self control and tend to go the peaceful route if there is one.
Personally all of my interactions with police have been very pleasant and i've never had any complaints against individuals, but at the end of the day i'm an American first, and they should be too. We really shouldn't be on opposing sides anyways. Normal citizens and police officers should be standing together against unjust laws.
And what’s this battered wife thing you have going on? Don’t stand up to authorities because that will just make them dig in even further? Reminds me of that saying: “when government fears the people there is liberty. When people fear the government there is tyranny.”
I initially came here to say the same thing, however, after reading the comments, I’m torn. Does one get to play ‘jackbooted henchmen of the government’ by day, and then ditch the outfit and melt into the neighborhood by night? I feel that arresting mom’s for the ‘crime’ of playing with their children in playgrounds is never acceptable.
I feel like this was poor policy created by bad information and fear. I bet almost everyone on this site agrees the arrest was stupid.
These people should be protesting outside of the mayor’s house, not the officer. The mayor, or whoever the executive is of that jurisdiction, should be responsible.
Also, thanks for not being the other guy who replied to me.
This is a problem I notice. A lot of people will attempt to skip over local government and pass blame and responsibility to federal or look below at the frontliners.
Mayors, governors, state senators and AGs need to feel the heat more but they are successfully deflecting anger towards other units. People probably forgot how things are supposed to work and give people a pass when they shouldn't.
The president of the homeowners association here made some pretty stupid decisions that caused a lot of residents to be kept out the gate, but I didn't take it out on the guards.
Exactly. If these folks wanted to encircle the Mayors home and office I’d be all for it. That person volunteers to be a public person whose decisions should be questioned.
This is a community. How do you think shit happened in the West (This is Idaho)? When there is a problem in town, you can go talk to the sheriff. He is not some god, removed from society. None of them are.
This guy is being held accountable by the people in his community. The only time you don't see this shit is major cities where Democrats rule like emperors over the diversity slaves.
Parks get closed and the police will arrest people that go to them. There are lots of places other than parks. It's unfortunate that the government owns so much though.
Where do you think I live? This is the United States, fool. The people control everything.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Page fucking one. This is a free country. You're getting downvoted because you're cucking out to totalitarian, unchecked power. Are you even American?
"Der the government owns property I'm not allowed on now. I'm so angry and stupid." If they just assaulted her instead of begging her to be a reasonable human being I'd be bothered.
It has nothing to do with closed. It has to do with this totalitarian lockdown. Don't be dense. This is not what was intended, and it's not reasonable in the slightest.
People who refer to the government as "they" clearly don't understand the point. Just stay home in the dark like a good little mushroom. They will feed you as much shit as you can stomach.
The government is supposed to be by the people and for the people. We control what government does. We decide what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. If we dont like what they do, we protest, we have elections, we have civil disobedience, but we dont just comply when the govt is wrong.
Hitler and so many others had so much power because of people acting like sheep.
So your answer is to submit to whatever comes your way? There should be no protests? If they want to take our guns, thats ok because the govt is in control?
Should we sit back and take anything they do? Laws are made for our protection not to control us. When the law crosses the line, we must intercede or we will be venezuela or china.
Its scares me that there are people out there that believe like you do. Dont be a sheep. Be an American.
Unfortunately were not okay with the government shutting down public spaces for months and then arresting us when we disobey their totalitarian bullshit.
We didn't go to the redcoats' homes and potentially frighten the shit out of their families. This isn't a battlefield. Don't fancy yourself some revolutionary behind a keyboard with nothing but edgy words.
Lmao, are you even American? Or are you so fucking dense that you forgot why we started a revolution? One reasons was a quartering law the British enacted that made colonialists house British troops...
and those British troops brought their families with them? Are you fucking kidding me? You sound like those pedantic faggots on r/politics. You all do with your hive mind mob mentality. Can't handle anybody with a different opinion. Are you going to accuse me of being a Russian troll now? That's where you were going next, right?
Not a Russian troll, just an uneducated shitbag that still doesn’t grasp the concept that the Quartering Act meant British soldiers were forced to stay in colonialists homes. So who’s family was really being terrorized?
and they're free to settle that wrong in court, then go to the police station and file a complaint, then call your representatives. Protest city hall, protest state buildings, protest at the police station. You don't go present yourself as a menace to the man's family. What if some loony firebombs the house now that the address is public knowledge, all the attention has been brought to the situation?
and they're free to settle that wrong in court, then go to the police station and file a complaint, then call your representatives.
Or the town can go to his house and demand answers. We don't have to do it your way, faggot. We can do whatever the fuck we want because we're a free motherfucking country.
Fuck off.
Here's a little refresher.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Its not a wrong. Its standing up for yourself. You may be content with others walking all over you, but I would prefer to actually stand for something and draw a line when innocent Americans start getting arrested for being out of their homes.
You have so much sympathy for tyranny. “Oh that poor police officer, having to deal with a peaceful protest!” How about the daughter who had to watch her mother get carried away by the state? You don’t seem to care at all about that mother or her family.
You dont have to agree. But the reality is that our justice system is corrupt and has protected bad cops in the past. Now that they are actively stepping on our rights you expect it to work? You are the epitome of a comfortable person who would sit by and let the state take over just because it doesn’t inconvenience you. Which is fine. But dont talk down to the people who actually care about their rights being taken away.
You literally are not comparing similar things which is why you are being called out. They are saying to mob people because the disagree and because we are Trump supporters. We are showing our displeasure with people actively removing our rights and arresting every day citizens for committing no crimes. There is no hypocrisy. Zero. They literally arrested someone for paddle boarding. If you cannot see the difference then it is not my fault that you are being seen as retarded.
You are using a lot if what ifs to try and make your point valid. She shouldn’t have been arrested because a cop felt like she was questioning his authority. He has no authority to enforce unconstitutional orders. He deserves to learn that the hard way if need be. If not then the slope keeps getting steeper. We have to draw the line somewhere and it is clear that yours is somewhere very far off in the distance while others disagree.
There’s one obvious, distinct difference between what these people are doing and Antifa: They’re being peaceful and respectful with law enforcement. Antifa gets irrational, violent and are straight up assholes.
Now do the mayors and governers
Note to self : upvote on desktop browser (my mobile browser is too old for their last CSS update which broke most features - including upvotes)
I actually have to upvote slowly. If I do it too fast, they don't register. So now I upvote 3 then refresh to make sure it sticks. :)
it doesn't work on iOS on older devices. Like at all. Most of the links are javascript driven instead of html - and whatever ver they're using - older iOS versions are puking on it.
this gave me a huge boner.
WTF? Put the bottle down Hillary.
Ew.
Good, this needs to happen more. Cops have an enormous amount of personal discretion to interpret laws as they see fit. In this case, the cop is personally responsible for arresting the lady. He obviously had other options.
With authority comes great responsibility! We the people face massive damages when authority is not used responsibly. In this context, the peaceful protesting should be personal so that other cops may learn from the failures of their colleagues.
He needs to be personally named in a lawsuit.
And you know what, good cops understand this.
Probably because they know this entire thing is horse shit.
Because they know they're not at risk.
good! this should start happening everywhere. if these lockdowns are NOT lifted in a month, and they keep going on, even as this thing keeps burning out....it's time to unleash hell.
Lifted in a month? We are not putting up with this bullshit another month.
This is excellent.
One complaint, the expression "not OK" needs to be stripped from our language.
"Not OK" is a ridiculously sad way to say "not acceptable", "not going to be tolerated", "not reasonable".
Also, lady, unalienable - uhn-eyl-yuh-nuh-buh l https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unalienable
Is that what she was saying? Lol. I couldn't understand her.
God damn. This is America. This is what it's all about. Absolutely beautiful. Civil. This is the basis of Western Civilization and the United States.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
not the point, but that's a random cops house? damn! I have to just rent and ok place on an engineer's salary.
lol why?
I think those are just emotions ("liberty or death" and whatnot). Fortunately our people always seem to have good self control and tend to go the peaceful route if there is one.
Personally all of my interactions with police have been very pleasant and i've never had any complaints against individuals, but at the end of the day i'm an American first, and they should be too. We really shouldn't be on opposing sides anyways. Normal citizens and police officers should be standing together against unjust laws.
White people protests.
I’m not cool with this. Let’s debate in the public forum, not take the debate to people’s homes.
fuuuuuuuuck you
Have you ever tried to debate with police? I don’t remember voting for a coronavirus quarantine either.
We should just be happy that this was peaceful and nobody got hurt.
The officer is the embodiment of bad policy by local government. Protest outside the Mayor’s home. Make decision makers change their minds.
IMO, Intimidating an officer and his family may just make the authorities dig in even further.
Sure, the officer was “just following orders”.
And what’s this battered wife thing you have going on? Don’t stand up to authorities because that will just make them dig in even further? Reminds me of that saying: “when government fears the people there is liberty. When people fear the government there is tyranny.”
Nuremberg defense, agree with you
Stand up to the people making policy. It’s not that hard. Standing up to officers will not end well for anyone, them or us.
They swear an oath to protected and defend The Constitution. If they fail to, it's our duty to make them aware that we will not stand for it.
There is accountability required at every level, not just at the top.
I hear you, I really do, but this makes us look like the bad guys. How did these people get his address?
It’s unnecessary. The department has already gotten a lot of bad publicity and now they can act like the victims.
The police should be reminded that they serve the people, not the mayor, not the governor.
A visit to them is in order too.
I think this was a well handled protest. Civility at it's finest.
It doesn't matter what it looks like. It matters what it is.
They serve the people, not the government.
No, you don't hear us. Or you wouldn't be saying such stupid shit. Get deported concern troll.
I initially came here to say the same thing, however, after reading the comments, I’m torn. Does one get to play ‘jackbooted henchmen of the government’ by day, and then ditch the outfit and melt into the neighborhood by night? I feel that arresting mom’s for the ‘crime’ of playing with their children in playgrounds is never acceptable.
Appreciate your nuanced take on the situation.
Like the man said, he works for government and they are there to redress grievances. This is hardly a 'mob'.
She's still paying the price for doing nothing wrong. This officer failed to follow his oath.
I feel like this was poor policy created by bad information and fear. I bet almost everyone on this site agrees the arrest was stupid.
These people should be protesting outside of the mayor’s house, not the officer. The mayor, or whoever the executive is of that jurisdiction, should be responsible.
Also, thanks for not being the other guy who replied to me.
This is a problem I notice. A lot of people will attempt to skip over local government and pass blame and responsibility to federal or look below at the frontliners.
Mayors, governors, state senators and AGs need to feel the heat more but they are successfully deflecting anger towards other units. People probably forgot how things are supposed to work and give people a pass when they shouldn't.
The president of the homeowners association here made some pretty stupid decisions that caused a lot of residents to be kept out the gate, but I didn't take it out on the guards.
Exactly. If these folks wanted to encircle the Mayors home and office I’d be all for it. That person volunteers to be a public person whose decisions should be questioned.
It was perfectly peaceful and respectful.
This is a community. How do you think shit happened in the West (This is Idaho)? When there is a problem in town, you can go talk to the sheriff. He is not some god, removed from society. None of them are.
This guy is being held accountable by the people in his community. The only time you don't see this shit is major cities where Democrats rule like emperors over the diversity slaves.
Sauce for the goose.
The women was on government property that was closed, as far as I know. Unfortunately the government controls a lot of territory.
Ok commie.
Parks get closed and the police will arrest people that go to them. There are lots of places other than parks. It's unfortunate that the government owns so much though.
"the government owns"
Rethink that statement. "government of the people, by the people, for the people"
You control no police.
The fuck I don't.
Where do you think I live? This is the United States, fool. The people control everything.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Page fucking one. This is a free country. You're getting downvoted because you're cucking out to totalitarian, unchecked power. Are you even American?
"The people" are fucking retarded. Don't you understand what has happened?
Well you sort of do, through your local government, but you won't do anything about it.
Don't need to arrest, but give a warning and escort off.
They tried to ask her to leave, she wouldn't.
Which article states that?
Every article about it that I've seen.
Scott, you just don't get it do ya?
It's really simple.
Ur smple.
"Der the government owns property I'm not allowed on now. I'm so angry and stupid." If they just assaulted her instead of begging her to be a reasonable human being I'd be bothered.
You mean PUBLIC parks?
"It has public in the name, that means I own it and make the rules lol."
It has nothing to do with closed. It has to do with this totalitarian lockdown. Don't be dense. This is not what was intended, and it's not reasonable in the slightest.
I don't think it's illegal for the government to close parks they control.
People who refer to the government as "they" clearly don't understand the point. Just stay home in the dark like a good little mushroom. They will feed you as much shit as you can stomach.
"Der, I am the government, I make all of the laws." Who is deluded.
The government is by the people for the people. It's not some separate NGO that owns property wtf.
"The people" are a vast sea of idiocy.
Go live in Europe, then.
Lol, they're even more stupid there.
As long as they want freedom, it doesn't matter. I am a free person, and there are others like me. Millions. They can never stop us.
There are very many people against you. They are morons.
Government by and for "The people" is the oasis in the vast sea of idiocy that is humankind.
This is what government loves...good little sheep.
"Der, we shouldn't even have a government. We should just be free lol."
Either you accept all of governmnet or none...right? This is a common logical fallacy used by sheep.
You accept whatever government is holding power, or you accept prison.
Spoken like a true non-American.
The government is supposed to be by the people and for the people. We control what government does. We decide what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. If we dont like what they do, we protest, we have elections, we have civil disobedience, but we dont just comply when the govt is wrong.
Hitler and so many others had so much power because of people acting like sheep.
Yes, we have elections, and we have an enormous amount of cancerous Democrat voters, so they hold power in many places. It is just reality.
So your answer is to submit to whatever comes your way? There should be no protests? If they want to take our guns, thats ok because the govt is in control?
Should we sit back and take anything they do? Laws are made for our protection not to control us. When the law crosses the line, we must intercede or we will be venezuela or china.
Unfortunately were not okay with the government shutting down public spaces for months and then arresting us when we disobey their totalitarian bullshit.
Vote out the cunts that impose the rules.
what do you think of the founding fathers and their tactics of "harassing" redcoats? what about throwing that tea into the harbor?
We didn't go to the redcoats' homes and potentially frighten the shit out of their families. This isn't a battlefield. Don't fancy yourself some revolutionary behind a keyboard with nothing but edgy words.
Well, I felt it safe to assume the the redcoats being British soldiers might fucking live in Britain you dense fuck.
Are you threatening me faggot?
Little keyboard bitch right here
NPC ERROR
Lmao, are you even American? Or are you so fucking dense that you forgot why we started a revolution? One reasons was a quartering law the British enacted that made colonialists house British troops...
and those British troops brought their families with them? Are you fucking kidding me? You sound like those pedantic faggots on r/politics. You all do with your hive mind mob mentality. Can't handle anybody with a different opinion. Are you going to accuse me of being a Russian troll now? That's where you were going next, right?
Not a Russian troll, just an uneducated shitbag that still doesn’t grasp the concept that the Quartering Act meant British soldiers were forced to stay in colonialists homes. So who’s family was really being terrorized?
Deport this faggot. He doesn't understand the United States.
And how do you think the mother’s children felt seeing her arrested in a park? Would you say they felt...frightened?
yes, two wrongs clearly make a right. I see the wisdom in your wrath. Carry on then. This will end fine.
and they're free to settle that wrong in court, then go to the police station and file a complaint, then call your representatives. Protest city hall, protest state buildings, protest at the police station. You don't go present yourself as a menace to the man's family. What if some loony firebombs the house now that the address is public knowledge, all the attention has been brought to the situation?
Or the town can go to his house and demand answers. We don't have to do it your way, faggot. We can do whatever the fuck we want because we're a free motherfucking country.
Fuck off.
Here's a little refresher.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Its not a wrong. Its standing up for yourself. You may be content with others walking all over you, but I would prefer to actually stand for something and draw a line when innocent Americans start getting arrested for being out of their homes.
Go to the police station and protest. Get a mob to surround my house and see how I respond. Threaten my family and I'll stain the streets red.
Arrest citizens for walking around and you deserve to be threatened.
Who's the edgy keyboard warrior now? Go back to reddit.
If you let it go unchecked it only gets worse.
He went to public park and frightened her entire family shitbird
so both sides are equal now? Equally detestable?
No. The cop was the only one to get physical.
Fuck off shill, we’re all gonna follow these guys leads. You’re clearly a cop, sleep well faggot, they are coming for you.
I'm a shill and a faggot cop and they're coming for me. You have gone full retard.
You have been tagged by the resistance.
you have been pegged by your wife's boyfriend.
Nobody gives a fuck who you are. Just another cuck who is okay with tyranny.
You have so much sympathy for tyranny. “Oh that poor police officer, having to deal with a peaceful protest!” How about the daughter who had to watch her mother get carried away by the state? You don’t seem to care at all about that mother or her family.
If you agree with cops arresting a mother for no reason in front of her children, then you agree with Communist tactics.
You dont have to agree. But the reality is that our justice system is corrupt and has protected bad cops in the past. Now that they are actively stepping on our rights you expect it to work? You are the epitome of a comfortable person who would sit by and let the state take over just because it doesn’t inconvenience you. Which is fine. But dont talk down to the people who actually care about their rights being taken away.
You literally are not comparing similar things which is why you are being called out. They are saying to mob people because the disagree and because we are Trump supporters. We are showing our displeasure with people actively removing our rights and arresting every day citizens for committing no crimes. There is no hypocrisy. Zero. They literally arrested someone for paddle boarding. If you cannot see the difference then it is not my fault that you are being seen as retarded.
Just want to point out that the key notion of the extent of the damage--there is no damage--is why the situation happened.
You are using a lot if what ifs to try and make your point valid. She shouldn’t have been arrested because a cop felt like she was questioning his authority. He has no authority to enforce unconstitutional orders. He deserves to learn that the hard way if need be. If not then the slope keeps getting steeper. We have to draw the line somewhere and it is clear that yours is somewhere very far off in the distance while others disagree.
There’s one obvious, distinct difference between what these people are doing and Antifa: They’re being peaceful and respectful with law enforcement. Antifa gets irrational, violent and are straight up assholes.
respect is earned. non-violence means it’s peaceable.
they have every right to be on public property.
he should have thought about that before he shit on his oath.
What they did was legal and they made sure to send a message that the police are not above the law. That message obviously needed to be sent.