Approved Cancer treatments literally inject radioactive poison into your system and hope for the best. The complications of radiation are far and beyond the complications of Z-Pack, yet here we are
I think there's a component of that in this, but the MSM was dead set on attacking it right away and they aren't Big Farma or Gates. They want to injure Trump but they also want this "crisis" to last as long as possible. Destroying peoples' lives across the nation is a BIG 24/7 story for them and they believe the longer it goes, the worse it will be for Trump. The Trump pills do in fact work and because of that, it takes the teeth out of the virus. We can open up when it's commonly accepted that nearly every person who contracts CV can be returned to good health. And that's what the Trump pills represent to them.
The media is literally dangerous, I can't believe we have reached this point... honestly I'm lost for words, it makes me sad. Things have NEVER been this bad, right? Media has always been biased, but this is levels of absurdity I can't fully comprehend, it goes way past political bias and my team vs your team mentality, this is dangerous to everyone. And I don't see how it ever settles down, I feel like the media has gone so far down this road that they can't go back, the well is poisoned, it's not just a few bad apples, it's bad by design
remember how much shit GWB took for standing on an Aircraft carrier and trying to wind down a war after the approved mission was accomplished and there wasn't more reason to stay?
And the peace loving liberals came out of the woodwork and bitched until they got a president that droned dozens of people (including hospitals) every day of his presidency and no one reported on it.
Everyone is an asshole, but the media seems to beat up half the assholes more than the other half
The NY Times today regurgitated their BS that Trump's promotion of HCQ led to tragic results when a couple from Arizona ingested "a chemical found in" HCQ.
Where TF did they get the idea that it was OK to take a non-pharmaceutical disinfectant if not from the media. And the media is doing it again, literally prodding idiots into doing something dangerous. Doesn't this fall into an exception to freedom of speech -- like yelling fire in a crowded theater when there's no fire.
People blindly take all kinds of shit because its from “the doctor”. Doctors are great for suggesting drugs, but you still gotta do your own research. Ive been suggested to take gout meds, blood pressure meds, anti depressants, etc. They will always suggest meds. Ive also been recommended various surgeries, I dont take anything and have only ever had non elective surgery for appendix and torn meniscus. Turns out they found out what the appendix does, and i wish i had it back. I dont take any drugs, and have solved all my issues by changing diet, habits or exercise.
I have siblings that are surgeons, and i dont even trust them. I was diagnosed with a torn rotator cuff and told that it will continue to get worse until i have surgery. That was 5 years ago, and i have no issues with it. Also told i needed to have my achilles tendon cut free, bone scraped of spurs, and reattached. Fuck that.
The experts dont really know what they are talking about, but they can make a couple million a year telling you to have unnecessary surgery.
I used to have this doctor that I saw once a year and no matter what my issue was, sleeplessness, sleep too much, back pain, headaches, hunger pains, anxiety, cancer, depression, stress, breakfast cereal deficiency, hypertension, cataracts, he always prescribed marijuana.
That's great for those who don't truly need the drugs. But some of us can't survive long enough to find out if alternatives would work. It's a balance we seek. Not absolutes when it comes to our health.
Yeah, i get that, but the vast major Of people just do whatever the doctor says. You should check out every medication you take very carefully, and evaluate the risks yourself.
You should also be aware that medicine is a business.
Im a PA and I completly agree. People will take anything prescribed without researching it at all.
Dr Rashid Buttar made an important point. Med school only teaches doctors (and mid level practitioners) how to treat patients using drugs. Its more of a big pharma school than med school.
I think as a society we've been brainwashed into thinking that a pill or a surgery will cure everything when in reality the body is designed to heal itself. When it doesnt, thats when we need intervention.
That's why some are using a different antibiotic (I can't recall the name) because it has less possible side effects. The issue with arythromycin is well known and documented because it's been in use for so long.
Also, Zinc. This is the key of why hydroxycloroquine works.. All three must be given EARLY after symptoms present themselves, BEFORE one has to seek hospitalization. If a patient is already on a ventilator, it's too late.
The amout of mis-information out there about these drugs is stunning. They could be saving more lives, but can't have that because orange man bad. I makes me sick how the press has attacked these medicines.
"doxycycline (which isn't contraindicated for this cardiac condition), and reported that he got good results."
Thanks to another poster for the info. I hadn't been able to find the drug, but remembered reading the information. That's what I'd ask my doctor for if I knew I got the COVID Virus. I'd just cover for him and say I was planning a trip to (fill in the blank with an area with molaria.)
Azithromycin is contraindicated for a certain cardiac condition. The condition shows up on an EKG, and azithromycin makes it worse.
However, a doctor at a Long Island nursing home substituted doxycycline (which isn't contraindicated for this cardiac condition), and reported that he got good results.
And some people are allergic to azithromycin, and probably shouldn't take it. Media: "People with allergens will surely die." Truth: Try a different antibiotic.
They would have to ask a real doctor, and not one that just plays a doctor on TV. A competent doctor knows already knows, and there should be no need for you to remind them.
Hydroxychloroquine also can cause cardiac issues. But, the risk is known, and there are protocols to assess whether a particular patient is more vulnerable.
I don't know the percentage of the population that might be susceptible to cardiac side effects from either or both of these drugs. But, if it was a large percentage, the FDA would be considering revoking their approval. The FDA has even revoked approval for drugs where the risks were known and published, but were being prescribed by doctors that didn't abide by warnings.
TL;DR: make sure you have a competent doctor. And, read the manufacturer disclosure yourself. I always do so when I'm prescribed a new medication. You can easily find them online.
From a policy point of view, these contraindications are why we can't stop investigating other treatments for COVID-19 even if hydroxychloroquine mostly works. There are people that cannot take it.
There's also the risk that the virus will mutate and become resistant. That's already happened for the malaria parasite: there are parts of the world where it is resistant to hydroxychloroquine.
straight up, I want the Viagra commercials during primetime for hydroxychloroquine
Two happy peolpe enjoying a night out, closing the commerical with a super fast. "Talk to your doctor if you have a heart condition as hydroxychloroquine can make it worse, if you cant afford your perscripton AstroZenica may be able to help"
I know you are joking, but hydroxychloroquine is out of patent, and now in the domain of generic manufacturers. Their margins are fractions of a cent per pill. So no, it won't be advertised.
Same with azithromycin. You can get a Z-pak for $10 with a coupon and no insurance.
Exactly. The whole point of the Azithromycin or doxycycline is to prevent secondary infections. As you stated, it’s been widely known for quite a while that the zpack can cause certain cardiac conditions.
This is bananas! This chloroquine has been in use since the 50's. It has been prescribed to pregnant women, children and people with compromised immune systems. Suddenly it is dangerous? If it was dangerous, it should have been banned long before I was even born, not after Trump mentioned that it was a promising treatment.
I want to see definitive proof of these "reports" it may cause heart irregularities. I find it hard to believe that we would just now find out that a drug that has been widely used for decades will affect the heart if used with another widely used antibiotic
A UAB infectious disease doctor that has been making the rounds saying HCQ doesnt work, jist admitted he was + for CV and took HCQ. He said he felt bad that he did it. He recovered but says he couldnt tell the HCQ made a difference.
WSJ did the same thing. And also added a lead story about Lysol warning customers not to ingest their products. I’ve been trying to cancel my subscription for weeks but every time I call it’s busy.
I tried 3 times to submit a post explaing how Bill Gates wants to do this. The post keep disappearing after about a minute and can not be found even with search using the title. However posts I made 16 days ago can be found by using the title. The posts still appear in my list it just looks like they only got about 2 upvotes. I sent two messages to moderators but have not gotten anyting back. Are some of the mods doing this?
the link is. https://biohackinfo.com/news-microsoft-patent-wo2020060606-human-biometrics-crypto-mining/
This irritates me SO much. An acquaintance of mine sent this to me after I mentioned hydroxochloroquine in passing as a gotcha. So I did my research on it.
So... to sum up, Brazil runs a study where they prescribe a higher dosage of Chloroquine without Zinc. A known side effect of Chloroquine overdose is death. The MSM then equates that drug with it's less potent cousin hydroxochloroquine which is designed to take over an extended period of time...
Heart conditions are a known contraindication for hydroxychloroquine because of the side effect of irregular heartbeat. So if you have a heart condition it would not be a preferred treatment. Anyone else is just fine taking it.
Listening to the misleadia you would think that it makes your heart explode.
hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + zinc
No idea why this is such a big deal
Approved Cancer treatments literally inject radioactive poison into your system and hope for the best. The complications of radiation are far and beyond the complications of Z-Pack, yet here we are
Bill Gates' microchip is to turn us all into zombies. They are working to vaccinate everyone in the whole world, except their kids.
Oddly, I'd respect these people more if they were straight up and said
I'd respect them as I pulled the trigger.
You wanna do push-ups???
I think there's a component of that in this, but the MSM was dead set on attacking it right away and they aren't Big Farma or Gates. They want to injure Trump but they also want this "crisis" to last as long as possible. Destroying peoples' lives across the nation is a BIG 24/7 story for them and they believe the longer it goes, the worse it will be for Trump. The Trump pills do in fact work and because of that, it takes the teeth out of the virus. We can open up when it's commonly accepted that nearly every person who contracts CV can be returned to good health. And that's what the Trump pills represent to them.
Reject the chip at all costs.
If you have an existing heart condition, just use a different antibiotic without the side effect for those patients. It's what doctors do every day.
The resistance to the cure is PURELY MONETARY, not legitimate.
Wew, user name checks out
The media is literally dangerous, I can't believe we have reached this point... honestly I'm lost for words, it makes me sad. Things have NEVER been this bad, right? Media has always been biased, but this is levels of absurdity I can't fully comprehend, it goes way past political bias and my team vs your team mentality, this is dangerous to everyone. And I don't see how it ever settles down, I feel like the media has gone so far down this road that they can't go back, the well is poisoned, it's not just a few bad apples, it's bad by design
I have pure hate for the msm, they make me fucking sick.
In a way, it's much more honest now. They don't even pretend to pursue the Truth. They are just Leftist propagandists.
remember how much shit GWB took for standing on an Aircraft carrier and trying to wind down a war after the approved mission was accomplished and there wasn't more reason to stay?
And the peace loving liberals came out of the woodwork and bitched until they got a president that droned dozens of people (including hospitals) every day of his presidency and no one reported on it.
Everyone is an asshole, but the media seems to beat up half the assholes more than the other half
The NY Times today regurgitated their BS that Trump's promotion of HCQ led to tragic results when a couple from Arizona ingested "a chemical found in" HCQ.
Where TF did they get the idea that it was OK to take a non-pharmaceutical disinfectant if not from the media. And the media is doing it again, literally prodding idiots into doing something dangerous. Doesn't this fall into an exception to freedom of speech -- like yelling fire in a crowded theater when there's no fire.
"Experts" and "Scientists" (unnamed) warned that the findings were not definitive.
I'm no expert or scientist but that sounds pretty definitive to me.
People blindly take all kinds of shit because its from “the doctor”. Doctors are great for suggesting drugs, but you still gotta do your own research. Ive been suggested to take gout meds, blood pressure meds, anti depressants, etc. They will always suggest meds. Ive also been recommended various surgeries, I dont take anything and have only ever had non elective surgery for appendix and torn meniscus. Turns out they found out what the appendix does, and i wish i had it back. I dont take any drugs, and have solved all my issues by changing diet, habits or exercise.
I have siblings that are surgeons, and i dont even trust them. I was diagnosed with a torn rotator cuff and told that it will continue to get worse until i have surgery. That was 5 years ago, and i have no issues with it. Also told i needed to have my achilles tendon cut free, bone scraped of spurs, and reattached. Fuck that.
The experts dont really know what they are talking about, but they can make a couple million a year telling you to have unnecessary surgery.
I used to have this doctor that I saw once a year and no matter what my issue was, sleeplessness, sleep too much, back pain, headaches, hunger pains, anxiety, cancer, depression, stress, breakfast cereal deficiency, hypertension, cataracts, he always prescribed marijuana.
That can’t be right.
That’s pretty close!
That's great for those who don't truly need the drugs. But some of us can't survive long enough to find out if alternatives would work. It's a balance we seek. Not absolutes when it comes to our health.
Yeah, i get that, but the vast major Of people just do whatever the doctor says. You should check out every medication you take very carefully, and evaluate the risks yourself.
You should also be aware that medicine is a business.
Im a PA and I completly agree. People will take anything prescribed without researching it at all.
Dr Rashid Buttar made an important point. Med school only teaches doctors (and mid level practitioners) how to treat patients using drugs. Its more of a big pharma school than med school.
I think as a society we've been brainwashed into thinking that a pill or a surgery will cure everything when in reality the body is designed to heal itself. When it doesnt, thats when we need intervention.
you should always raise an eyebrow when the advice-givers livelihood is directly impacted by the course of treatment they advise
Yes. But if you study it long enough, Millions could die while awaiting approval, not of the cure, but of the untested Vaccine Gates is pushing.
I’m assuming your username is short for “Main Stream Media Retard”.
That's why some are using a different antibiotic (I can't recall the name) because it has less possible side effects. The issue with arythromycin is well known and documented because it's been in use for so long.
Also, Zinc. This is the key of why hydroxycloroquine works.. All three must be given EARLY after symptoms present themselves, BEFORE one has to seek hospitalization. If a patient is already on a ventilator, it's too late.
The amout of mis-information out there about these drugs is stunning. They could be saving more lives, but can't have that because orange man bad. I makes me sick how the press has attacked these medicines.
This deserves a thousand up-votes and a sticky.
"doxycycline (which isn't contraindicated for this cardiac condition), and reported that he got good results."
Thanks to another poster for the info. I hadn't been able to find the drug, but remembered reading the information. That's what I'd ask my doctor for if I knew I got the COVID Virus. I'd just cover for him and say I was planning a trip to (fill in the blank with an area with molaria.)
I've taken zythromax for years, I'm allergic to penicillin. No heart issues ever.
Azithromycin is contraindicated for a certain cardiac condition. The condition shows up on an EKG, and azithromycin makes it worse.
However, a doctor at a Long Island nursing home substituted doxycycline (which isn't contraindicated for this cardiac condition), and reported that he got good results.
And some people are allergic to azithromycin, and probably shouldn't take it. Media: "People with allergens will surely die." Truth: Try a different antibiotic.
love the facts!
How come journalists can't just say that!?
simple
They would have to ask a real doctor, and not one that just plays a doctor on TV. A competent doctor knows already knows, and there should be no need for you to remind them.
Hydroxychloroquine also can cause cardiac issues. But, the risk is known, and there are protocols to assess whether a particular patient is more vulnerable.
I don't know the percentage of the population that might be susceptible to cardiac side effects from either or both of these drugs. But, if it was a large percentage, the FDA would be considering revoking their approval. The FDA has even revoked approval for drugs where the risks were known and published, but were being prescribed by doctors that didn't abide by warnings.
TL;DR: make sure you have a competent doctor. And, read the manufacturer disclosure yourself. I always do so when I'm prescribed a new medication. You can easily find them online.
From a policy point of view, these contraindications are why we can't stop investigating other treatments for COVID-19 even if hydroxychloroquine mostly works. There are people that cannot take it.
There's also the risk that the virus will mutate and become resistant. That's already happened for the malaria parasite: there are parts of the world where it is resistant to hydroxychloroquine.
straight up, I want the Viagra commercials during primetime for hydroxychloroquine
Two happy peolpe enjoying a night out, closing the commerical with a super fast. "Talk to your doctor if you have a heart condition as hydroxychloroquine can make it worse, if you cant afford your perscripton AstroZenica may be able to help"
I know you are joking, but hydroxychloroquine is out of patent, and now in the domain of generic manufacturers. Their margins are fractions of a cent per pill. So no, it won't be advertised.
Same with azithromycin. You can get a Z-pak for $10 with a coupon and no insurance.
Exactly. The whole point of the Azithromycin or doxycycline is to prevent secondary infections. As you stated, it’s been widely known for quite a while that the zpack can cause certain cardiac conditions.
If it helps Trump, bury the lead under 800lbs of bullshit.
...Because an irregular heartbeat is far worse than death. smh
Theres no profit in cheap treatments that wont kill you later. Big pharma will fight this till our deaths.
This would be a first anyone actually cares for the side effects. Might have to tell them vaccines have side effects too.
This is bananas! This chloroquine has been in use since the 50's. It has been prescribed to pregnant women, children and people with compromised immune systems. Suddenly it is dangerous? If it was dangerous, it should have been banned long before I was even born, not after Trump mentioned that it was a promising treatment.
I want to see definitive proof of these "reports" it may cause heart irregularities. I find it hard to believe that we would just now find out that a drug that has been widely used for decades will affect the heart if used with another widely used antibiotic
A UAB infectious disease doctor that has been making the rounds saying HCQ doesnt work, jist admitted he was + for CV and took HCQ. He said he felt bad that he did it. He recovered but says he couldnt tell the HCQ made a difference.
UAB doctor who got coronavirus ‘unhappy’ he tried unproven treatment - al.com https://www.al.com/news/2020/04/uab-doctor-who-got-coronavirus-unhappy-he-tried-unproven-treatment.html
death or irregular heart beat? IDK WHICH TO CHOSE?
Is the death rate for Erythromycin 3.4%?
I know that's inflated, but it's the only figure the MSM will talk about.
WSJ did the same thing. And also added a lead story about Lysol warning customers not to ingest their products. I’ve been trying to cancel my subscription for weeks but every time I call it’s busy.
It’s better to let Coronavirus kill you than take the chance that it might make you nauseous or have irregular heartbeat.
I tried 3 times to submit a post explaing how Bill Gates wants to do this. The post keep disappearing after about a minute and can not be found even with search using the title. However posts I made 16 days ago can be found by using the title. The posts still appear in my list it just looks like they only got about 2 upvotes. I sent two messages to moderators but have not gotten anyting back. Are some of the mods doing this? the link is. https://biohackinfo.com/news-microsoft-patent-wo2020060606-human-biometrics-crypto-mining/
They are just beating a dead horse at this stage.
We know they are against it. they want Bill Gates to give everyone cancer and its cheap.
Irregular heartbeat vs death. I’ll take it!
This irritates me SO much. An acquaintance of mine sent this to me after I mentioned hydroxochloroquine in passing as a gotcha. So I did my research on it.
The CNBC and FDA announcement treats this study, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2765270?utm_source=For_The_Media&%3butm_medium=referral&%3butm_campaign=ftm_links&%3butm_term=042420, as the main source for the issues with hydroxochloroquine. However, they tested Chloroquine Diphosphate, not hydroxochloroquine. Chloroquine Diphosphate is like a higher dose of hydroxochloroquine, this quora answer seems to know what it's talking about, https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-chloroquine-chloroquine-phosphate-and-hydroxychloroquine-When-the-media-refers-to-chloroquine-which-one-are-they-referring-to?share=1.
So... to sum up, Brazil runs a study where they prescribe a higher dosage of Chloroquine without Zinc. A known side effect of Chloroquine overdose is death. The MSM then equates that drug with it's less potent cousin hydroxochloroquine which is designed to take over an extended period of time...
Drink too much water and it will poison you.
Fake news.
Wow these guys are pure evil
Heart conditions are a known contraindication for hydroxychloroquine because of the side effect of irregular heartbeat. So if you have a heart condition it would not be a preferred treatment. Anyone else is just fine taking it.
Listening to the misleadia you would think that it makes your heart explode.