Yup, I'm glad DeSantis fast tracked a bunch of roadwork. Some of the projects that were behind schedule are back on. One of the small projects by my neighborhood was set to be complete by Summer. They did it in less than a week.
I see it as part of the new liberal tactic of limiting single family residences. They prefer dense housing in urban areas. Minnesota started putting limits on single family homes recently. Seattle is starting to do the same thing. I can only hope that people realize that cities and high density living can be virus generators after taking a hard look at how New York City became a covid petri dish.
Nah it’s because having entire cities full addicts who can’t get their fix is not a good thing. And yes, you can be addicted to pot just like you can be addicted to gambling.
At least you won’t die from withdrawal like if they closed all the liquor stores though, which they almost did here in CO.
Today in Texas I drove past more road construction on the state highways and Farm-to-Market roads than I have at any other time; and in nearly all cases near busy intersections or ramps.
I was thinking the same thing; now is a good time for it.
No doubt. I was not saying that Ohio didn't need road construction, just that Texas has an absurdly enormous amount of road construction going on.
I will also point out that i would not like to be in Texas and paying taxes in 50 years when all those stupidly enormous interstate interchanges start requiring replacement.
Nobody overbuilds interstate interchanges like Texas. Literally miles of bridges in every major modern interchange, with those bridges ranging from 100 to 200 feet or even higher off the ground.
Remember when they built and finished the entire bridge across I5 before realizing it was in the incorrect location and then tearing it down before it was ever used?
I live in Grays Harbor county and haven’t had a reason to try driving through Tacoma in over a year.
It's been going on since before my family moved here in 1998.
And they'll still be working on it for another 50 years.
I-5 near the Dome is still an incoherent patchwork of constant construction. Every week, there's a new, confusing reconfiguration. Lord help you when it rains in the dark, because the lanes are very difficult to see, and are as narrow as hell. Not my favorite stretch of road - thank goodness I don't have to drive it every day.
WSDOT is one of the WORST managed transportation agencies in the nation. For as much money as they get, we should have world-class roads.
Until recently, my parents lived in Gig Harbor, and I grew up in Kitsap county. I've been driving between Kitsap co and Seattle on a periodic basis since 1989. It's been literally decades of construction related traffic jams between Kitsap co and the Federal Way area. First, starting with the second Tacoma Narrows Bridge, then the interface from Highway 16 to I5. Last time I was home (a few months ago), the construction had moved north of the dome around where the large casino is. All this over the period of at least 20 years. I figure by the time we have flying cars they might make it to Fife.
I'm in Michigan and work in construction and work was cancelled for 2 weeks because all my work was at schools and nursing homes but an outright ban all together? That's nuts. Even Whitless wasn't that bad.
I was talking to my mom who lives in Seattle the other day and she was saying people are being "forced" to go back to work. I just can't deal with the fuckery anymore.
Let's also not forget he put a bunch of contingencies on it. One of them being there has to be a safety supervisor there making sure they're follow safety protocols for covid-19.
I have no idea if there is some special training that has to happen to be considered a "safety supervisor" or if anyone can just be designated that. Really hoping it's the latter.
Question: gloves. How do they offer any practical benefit? It seems to me that any virus you may come into contact with on your hands is now on your gloves instead. How does this do anything to reduce the spread? Taking gloves off requires contact. Plus my hands are swimming in sweat after 15 minutes.
Hopefully they're not making you sanitize your building supplies? This virus doesn't live on a surface forever, and around 70 degrees it dies in 5 minutes.
Masks. In a super congested area with lots of close contact this might actually reduce spread. That doesn't describe any construction site I've ever worked on. I certainly can't work for any length of time with a mask. Plus once a mask is wet it's probably doing more harm than good.
All this might be what you mean by "a bunch of bs," but the "safety supervisor" requirement sounds like a measure to not just enforce this against the individual worker but also some key personnel. Like in the case of a small business they want to zap the owner.
I will point out the whole industry in WA should get a legal opinion from a Constitutional lawyer that is based. There are laws in our favor and it's not legal to quarantine the healthy. Which doesn't automatically mean that health officials have no legal basis to impose this bs. If they don't you could work as you wish and wait to get cited, then counter-sue and WIN. As well as have their penalties thrown out. And hopefully be able to sue for lost wages, lost business, and be made whole. It might be a winning idea to give them the original 15 days, the point being that by April 1 we knew so much more and you're conceding that on March 16 we didn't. Just a point to raise while a representative(s) of your statewide industry is paying for a lawyer's time.
Class action is the way to go! If everyone in the industry bears the cost equally it won't be much for anybody, and everyone reaps the benefits. If each company has to do this individually? Yicchh, that's how they win. I'd like to see every State file class action suits as appropriate, but it sounds like your trade is better served by quick action with something specific and not waiting for the general population to act.
Well I'm glad one of us is working! I've been self-employed for over 28 years and probably need to take a j.o.b.
What pisses me off is they KNOW we're in no position to fight them legally. I don't know what the statute of limitations is but if they can just stall they can keep doing more harm. Not many are able to even think in these terms with everything else pressing on us. So I mention it as something that needs doing, so that when it becomes possible nobody forgets. And if you see somebody else doing it you join in!
Careful how much info you share - there are still lurkers here looking to make trouble for any Trump supporters they can. They came from Reddit and dont post much, but they are here and have nothing to do but scan through posts looking for clues.
Because that's how you destroy the economy. Which was the goal.
Boeing screwed things up for Inslee by bringing 30K back to work without asking for permission. I'm pretty sure that the construction and building trade groups held a hammer to Inslee's head and forced him to back down now that Boeing was back to work. Expect more to follow, and soon.
I sure hope more will follow soon - I'm so sick of good people getting screwed over by his arbitrary and unconstitutional edicts. The economy (and the people) can't take much more of this crap.
I'm all in favor of holding hammers to Governor's heads. Physical removal of them from Office, all on the same day. Citizen's arrest is legal when we're stopping a felony in progress. I think our strongest issue is in my username: mass murder. Deny sick people medicine in a pandemic? That results in preventable deaths. Not to mention permanent lung damage to those who survive being on a ventilator and all those who will die within 2 years from organ damage sustained while oxygen deprived on a vent, almost all of which is preventable.
You can tell if your Governor is interfering with sick people getting medicine by looking at the number of people recovered in your State vs dead and total cases. If they're too far out of line with Dr Zelenko's study, your Governor is denying people HCQ. And it's mass murder.
Dr Zelenko's numbers:
1450 subjects studied. This is statistically significant, not "anecdotal."
38 x fewer dead than the national average. Also a 97.4% reduction. 2 dead.
An even greater reduction in those needing to be put on a ventilator; 3 and 2 were quickly off it.
Also a huge reduction in hospitalizations, 8 total (or less, I forgot exactly) again with most quickly released. And ALL the people in these 3 groups were elderly!
And most people are virus-free in 6 days. These results are how we beat this!
If this plannedemic were truly about medical concern, Governors and everyone else would be urging everyone to start taking Trump pills immediately upon being diagnosed positive. That's how you get the best results. Denying sick people medicine until they're in such bad shape that they need to be admitted to the hospital is the absolute WORST thing to do.
I'm an aerospace machinist that does work for Boeing. Our shop only closed for a few days in total, but other than that we have never stopped working. Inslee can't touch our industry, we are an industry of patriots and aerospace is a large industry here in western WA.
But not in Michigan... except for things like "fixing the damn roads" or whatever... 1 out 7 states in a group committed to reopening things up that doesn't allow construction.
It makes no sense and I feel so bad for all the people who have houses partialy built and wide open to the crappy spring weather of MI.
Sue him for everything he's worth, including his pensions. We need to make these tyrants die as paupers in prison, either at the end of their life sentence or a rope. This clear message is essential to send to all future would-be tyrants; now we know it won't last 245 years but it will last longer than 20.
Why the fuck would you ban construction during this time? If anything it should have been ramped up because of less traffic and more people at home.
Because Inslee is actively trying to destroy this state.
Why would he try to release the green river killer and ten thousand other rapists, murderers, and pedophiles?
Same reason
He did exactly what he intended to do by running for president - raise money and make it disappear (into his back pocket).
Thats exactly what Florida did, saved weeks/months of normal construction time.
DeSantis has 10x Inslee's IQ
Yup, I'm glad DeSantis fast tracked a bunch of roadwork. Some of the projects that were behind schedule are back on. One of the small projects by my neighborhood was set to be complete by Summer. They did it in less than a week.
The traffic alone makes it so!
They stopped road construction? I'm in locked down NC and they've been doing work on the roads here all month.
Private commercial construction was halted too. This unban applies to both residential and commercial right?
I see it as part of the new liberal tactic of limiting single family residences. They prefer dense housing in urban areas. Minnesota started putting limits on single family homes recently. Seattle is starting to do the same thing. I can only hope that people realize that cities and high density living can be virus generators after taking a hard look at how New York City became a covid petri dish.
Bring your mask, gloves and safety glasses, no tolerance for carpet installation, plumbing, or heavy equipment operation with out. Fucking retarded.
Inslee's such an asshole. I'm sorry you guys in WA have to put up with this crap
Then why did all the construction stop along I5?
They sure did Inslee is incompetent, it looks like a lot of governor's are.
Tax revenue.
That's because a doped up populace is a docile populace.
Nah it’s because having entire cities full addicts who can’t get their fix is not a good thing. And yes, you can be addicted to pot just like you can be addicted to gambling.
At least you won’t die from withdrawal like if they closed all the liquor stores though, which they almost did here in CO.
How is that Inslee spending taxpayer money on his presidential bid even legal?
Today in Texas I drove past more road construction on the state highways and Farm-to-Market roads than I have at any other time; and in nearly all cases near busy intersections or ramps.
I was thinking the same thing; now is a good time for it.
To be fair, Texas has been covered in enormous stretches of road construction on major roads for years.
It's gotten so bad that I heard there was a movement to have the state tree changed to the orange construction cone.
I thought that was Ohio’s joke.
I'm pretty sure there's more interstate / interchange construction within 20 miles of Dallas than there is in the entire state of Ohio. Seriously.
Snow and salt and tire chains do a number on roads though, and Ohio’s winters are fucked.
No doubt. I was not saying that Ohio didn't need road construction, just that Texas has an absurdly enormous amount of road construction going on.
I will also point out that i would not like to be in Texas and paying taxes in 50 years when all those stupidly enormous interstate interchanges start requiring replacement.
Nobody overbuilds interstate interchanges like Texas. Literally miles of bridges in every major modern interchange, with those bridges ranging from 100 to 200 feet or even higher off the ground.
I miss living in Texas and might just end up moving there again soon.
He also banned recreational fishing.
Because he's a power-hunger retard.
Nobody is enforcing anything except parking restrictions. You can walk or bike to the beaches just fine.
Don't know about fishing, I haven't tried it. I'm sure in the rural parts of the state they are just ignoring the order.
Also his 30 days emergency is up. Even if there's enforcement, it'll get thrown out legally.
And golf.
Yes, he is unbelievably stupid!
That kind of thing is never really done. It will look like it for a week and then they will redo somrthing they forgot.
Remember when they built and finished the entire bridge across I5 before realizing it was in the incorrect location and then tearing it down before it was ever used?
I live in Grays Harbor county and haven’t had a reason to try driving through Tacoma in over a year.
It's been going on since before my family moved here in 1998. And they'll still be working on it for another 50 years.
I-5 near the Dome is still an incoherent patchwork of constant construction. Every week, there's a new, confusing reconfiguration. Lord help you when it rains in the dark, because the lanes are very difficult to see, and are as narrow as hell. Not my favorite stretch of road - thank goodness I don't have to drive it every day.
WSDOT is one of the WORST managed transportation agencies in the nation. For as much money as they get, we should have world-class roads.
Moved up here from the East Bay Area in CA. Was a bit young to remember the roads much down there, but I've heard my parents echo that sentiment.
Still could be much better up here, though.
Until recently, my parents lived in Gig Harbor, and I grew up in Kitsap county. I've been driving between Kitsap co and Seattle on a periodic basis since 1989. It's been literally decades of construction related traffic jams between Kitsap co and the Federal Way area. First, starting with the second Tacoma Narrows Bridge, then the interface from Highway 16 to I5. Last time I was home (a few months ago), the construction had moved north of the dome around where the large casino is. All this over the period of at least 20 years. I figure by the time we have flying cars they might make it to Fife.
They don't call all of the I5 work a "retirement project" for nothing! Long-time Kitsap County resident here, Fellow Pede.
Thank God there is a bridge and a body of water between the lunatics in the Seattle area and the Kitsap Peninsula!!
One day I will be back. My parents moved to Black Diamond last year...no more family in KC but lots of friends in the area. I still visit every year.
Now lift it everywhere
It's the square root of -1, i.e. imaginary.
The square root of -1 is represented by:
i Or j
You're giving me flashbacks from EE489 (control systems) :-)
I would need a lot more evidence to be sure that Inslee's IQ is above zero.
Brain cells cannot exist in his vacuous head!
I'm in Michigan and work in construction and work was cancelled for 2 weeks because all my work was at schools and nursing homes but an outright ban all together? That's nuts. Even Whitless wasn't that bad.
You'd think now would be a good time to do that work in the schools..
But what do I know..
You might cough or sneeze on something and the kids will get it when they return back next year! reeeeeeeeeeeeee
SUNLIGHT
I should have figured as much
WE NEED YOUR "INCOME" TAX.
aka "we own you, bitch."
Everyone pays a tax on their labor fren. If not the state, then the fed. For most it's both.
Sorry I haven't visited, I've heard good things. Greetings from PA.
Thanks for the invite.
Theftation is tax.
I was talking to my mom who lives in Seattle the other day and she was saying people are being "forced" to go back to work. I just can't deal with the fuckery anymore.
Considering the extra $600 being added to the normal unemployment pay, getting called back to work is like being 'forced' to them. Bunch of commies.
Let's also not forget he put a bunch of contingencies on it. One of them being there has to be a safety supervisor there making sure they're follow safety protocols for covid-19.
I have no idea if there is some special training that has to happen to be considered a "safety supervisor" or if anyone can just be designated that. Really hoping it's the latter.
I'm the industry here too.. as far as you know this unbans commercial jobsites too and not just residential?
Question: gloves. How do they offer any practical benefit? It seems to me that any virus you may come into contact with on your hands is now on your gloves instead. How does this do anything to reduce the spread? Taking gloves off requires contact. Plus my hands are swimming in sweat after 15 minutes.
Hopefully they're not making you sanitize your building supplies? This virus doesn't live on a surface forever, and around 70 degrees it dies in 5 minutes.
Masks. In a super congested area with lots of close contact this might actually reduce spread. That doesn't describe any construction site I've ever worked on. I certainly can't work for any length of time with a mask. Plus once a mask is wet it's probably doing more harm than good.
All this might be what you mean by "a bunch of bs," but the "safety supervisor" requirement sounds like a measure to not just enforce this against the individual worker but also some key personnel. Like in the case of a small business they want to zap the owner.
I will point out the whole industry in WA should get a legal opinion from a Constitutional lawyer that is based. There are laws in our favor and it's not legal to quarantine the healthy. Which doesn't automatically mean that health officials have no legal basis to impose this bs. If they don't you could work as you wish and wait to get cited, then counter-sue and WIN. As well as have their penalties thrown out. And hopefully be able to sue for lost wages, lost business, and be made whole. It might be a winning idea to give them the original 15 days, the point being that by April 1 we knew so much more and you're conceding that on March 16 we didn't. Just a point to raise while a representative(s) of your statewide industry is paying for a lawyer's time.
Class action is the way to go! If everyone in the industry bears the cost equally it won't be much for anybody, and everyone reaps the benefits. If each company has to do this individually? Yicchh, that's how they win. I'd like to see every State file class action suits as appropriate, but it sounds like your trade is better served by quick action with something specific and not waiting for the general population to act.
Well I'm glad one of us is working! I've been self-employed for over 28 years and probably need to take a j.o.b.
What pisses me off is they KNOW we're in no position to fight them legally. I don't know what the statute of limitations is but if they can just stall they can keep doing more harm. Not many are able to even think in these terms with everything else pressing on us. So I mention it as something that needs doing, so that when it becomes possible nobody forgets. And if you see somebody else doing it you join in!
Apply to be it yourself and then you get to be hall monitor and all the other kids will love you. (or hate you)
Don't be corrupt!
Good to hear. I’ve got several projects on Orcas and Mercer that would be nice to get back going again.
Careful how much info you share - there are still lurkers here looking to make trouble for any Trump supporters they can. They came from Reddit and dont post much, but they are here and have nothing to do but scan through posts looking for clues.
Meanwhile, in Kansas...grass being mowed, construction still going on, roadwork being done.
Traffic in Spokane was fairly busy this afternoon. Open fishing and campgrounds up, Inslee. People are chomping at the bit to get back to normal.
Kept reading this as "Ban on Constitution..."
It might as well be.
Oh thank you, gracious and benevolent King Insreeeee. /s
Seriously though - this is good to hear, but why was construction ever stopped to begin with?
Because that's how you destroy the economy. Which was the goal.
Boeing screwed things up for Inslee by bringing 30K back to work without asking for permission. I'm pretty sure that the construction and building trade groups held a hammer to Inslee's head and forced him to back down now that Boeing was back to work. Expect more to follow, and soon.
I sure hope more will follow soon - I'm so sick of good people getting screwed over by his arbitrary and unconstitutional edicts. The economy (and the people) can't take much more of this crap.
The Dems are truly the party of evil.
I'm all in favor of holding hammers to Governor's heads. Physical removal of them from Office, all on the same day. Citizen's arrest is legal when we're stopping a felony in progress. I think our strongest issue is in my username: mass murder. Deny sick people medicine in a pandemic? That results in preventable deaths. Not to mention permanent lung damage to those who survive being on a ventilator and all those who will die within 2 years from organ damage sustained while oxygen deprived on a vent, almost all of which is preventable.
You can tell if your Governor is interfering with sick people getting medicine by looking at the number of people recovered in your State vs dead and total cases. If they're too far out of line with Dr Zelenko's study, your Governor is denying people HCQ. And it's mass murder.
Dr Zelenko's numbers:
1450 subjects studied. This is statistically significant, not "anecdotal."
38 x fewer dead than the national average. Also a 97.4% reduction. 2 dead.
An even greater reduction in those needing to be put on a ventilator; 3 and 2 were quickly off it.
Also a huge reduction in hospitalizations, 8 total (or less, I forgot exactly) again with most quickly released. And ALL the people in these 3 groups were elderly!
And most people are virus-free in 6 days. These results are how we beat this!
If this plannedemic were truly about medical concern, Governors and everyone else would be urging everyone to start taking Trump pills immediately upon being diagnosed positive. That's how you get the best results. Denying sick people medicine until they're in such bad shape that they need to be admitted to the hospital is the absolute WORST thing to do.
I'm an aerospace machinist that does work for Boeing. Our shop only closed for a few days in total, but other than that we have never stopped working. Inslee can't touch our industry, we are an industry of patriots and aerospace is a large industry here in western WA.
Yep, boyfriend finally gets to go back to work on Monday!
They have been ignoring the ban the whole time, even in the suburbs of Seattle.
GOOD!
Ok now do Massachusetts
Do the whole Country. I'm all for excluding hot spots, but a construction site? C'mon, people don't work that close together.
Full Speed Ahead!!!
Here is the link.
https://q13fox.com/2020/04/24/inslee-construction-projects-can-resume-in-washington-with-distancing/
But not in Michigan... except for things like "fixing the damn roads" or whatever... 1 out 7 states in a group committed to reopening things up that doesn't allow construction. It makes no sense and I feel so bad for all the people who have houses partialy built and wide open to the crappy spring weather of MI.
And WI. We need to physically remove all our Governors from Office, all on the same day. Citizen's arrest is legal.
wear a mask. Outdoors, with a mask, you aren't catching it from 2 feet away. Sun+Wind+Mask
WA Dem Rep. Pramila Jayapal takes the cake, too, sigh.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-releases-plan-to-make-construction-sites-safe-from-coronavirus-should-industry-reopen/
Sue him for everything he's worth, including his pensions. We need to make these tyrants die as paupers in prison, either at the end of their life sentence or a rope. This clear message is essential to send to all future would-be tyrants; now we know it won't last 245 years but it will last longer than 20.
The real problem here is we can't have government micromanaging every single little industry.
They tried government micromanaging everything before. It was an utter failure.
(it was called communism)