Just to be fair, not decreasing the number of cases is not the same as not reducing deaths. The hope was that more deaths could be reduced by not overwhelming the hospitals all at once leaving sick patients untreated. Thus flattening the curve saves live without reducing the total number of cases.
But his is now moot anyway. Just ramp up the cure and make sure medicine is practiced by DOCTORS and not politicians.
Yes, I get it. But they've moved the goal posts, otherwise they'd have us open again. The original objective, we were told, was to "flatten the curve" we knew this meant so the hospitals could be prepared and not overrun at one time. We've done that. They didn't even need all the precautionary measures we put in place. The USS Comfort only had 189 patients. Tent hospitals across the country were never needed. Clearly, our medical system is able to handle patients right now and yet, still shut down. So it went from flattening the curve objective, to slowing the spread. Well, now some places like Virginia, are talking about TWO YEARS of this. They are basically now saying we can't treat our neighbors like they are disposable (MN Gov) and we are selfish if we aren't staying inside or social distancing because no one should die again.
Two years? That's insane. If the virus turns out to be completely horrifying, one can consider such measures (or, preferably, other measures that are not extremely vulnerable to exploitation). But saying two years without extreme evidence that everyone agrees 100% upon is insane, and locking down fully is not viable for anything but an extremely short period of time.
A lot of people and organizations on the left and in the deep state seem to exploit this to the extreme.
It is as if they wanted the virus to spread as much as possible early on, such as with:
Several Democrat politicians holding rallies in Chinatowns such as with https://i.maga.host/M4Zidha.jpg , Nancy Pelosi, and others
Leftists (and maybe even the WHO) raging against Trump's travel ban against China in late January and as I recall Trump's ban against Europe in February.
And then, once the virus has spread to the USA, exploit it to its fullest and pretend they were not on "team spread-it-everywhere".
Even a few days ago, when Nancy Pelosi claimed that Trump's travel ban against China was not sufficient, a reporter asked whether she supported some form of travel ban against China, and as I recall, she did not quite want to answer that question....................
I hope my other comments in this thread will end up aging very poorly. I really, really hope they will age poorly.
In case my comments do age well, I fear this is one problem with the reddit-like system with upvotes and downvotes, at least reg. deviating opinions (and sometimes shill teams, though I would believe that is not the case here); downvotes are typically not meant to be "agree/disagree", but are just about always used in that way, at least for some cases.
I think the virus is an unknown. Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak. It may be very little, but it might also turn out to be something.
Lockdowns are insanely expensive, and there is no point in not dying to the disease if you instead die of starvation and famine. If you go the lockdown route, you at least need massive financial support for people, especially those prevented from working. But that is insanely expensive and has other huge costs and problems.
Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping, etc. And even crappy, cheap homemade masks can help a little bit, especially against droplets. They are also widely used in East Asia.
Reg. the virus being an unknown: I made this comment some days ago, and I am still really curious as to what other people think:
I am hearing/reading increasing rumours that the Chinese coronavirus is causing blood clots, which affects not just the lungs but also other parts of the body such as the brain and the heart.
However, these rumours mostly come from new sources that I do not trust. One source that I do not know whether to trust is this one:
Is this unfounded rumours, intentional fake news (possibly from China), or something possibly real? Might the Chinese coronavirus be among other aspects a blood-affecting virus, possibly not a lung-focused virus?
Please do keep in mind that I am a layman, not a doctor, reg. this.
“Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping...”
Oh no another mask shill. Ok wear your mask. You do that. You’re helping.
The bug has to spread throughout our population and it has to run its course. Let the healthy folks catch it and isolate the weak, at-risk. Obama ignored the swine flu and it ran its course.
Masks are a placebo. They make people feel safe while providing almost no real protection. People wearing masks are more likely to break social distancing and actually get infected.
It's the opposite. People wearing masks are more mentally geared toward protecting themselves and others. They're the ones who wash their hands with alcohol more often, and keep a safe distance. The mask is just the cherry on top.
I can't say I agree with that. You should both practice social distancing and wear a mask when among others. Crappy home-made masks help a bit against droplets, and only a very small amount against aerosols. I don't feel safe when wearing a mask, and I still follow social distancing.
If masks were not useful, why would doctors and nurses wear them? The rumours and statements that were spread early (including from officials) that they are not useful were hopefully a dishonest attempt at attempting to get the quality masks to where they were most needed, namely doctors and nurses. But that could have been handled by telling people that doctors and nurses should be prioritized reg. masks.
I completely overlooked that part, I apologize. There's another article that seems to be using similar sources, though I do not know whether they are more or less trustworthy: https://archive.vn/OCV3D .
It's based on a case series of FIVE patients over 2 weeks in NYC, who happened to be COVID positive (mild cases). Certainly way too soon to draw any conclusions about causality, or to base policy on extreme cases.
If a patient is merely given supportive treatment, instead of treating for the infection, all kinds of bad things can happen to the body. This is typical of viral diseases, generally.
If someone you care about gets this infection, insist on early testing and treatment with a drug cocktail designed to, at minimum, inhibit viral replication. Do not let these mfers kill your own.
When the government shuts down it is story after story about how awful it is. How the government being shutdown a week is so harmful to families. Yet now, when it is the private sector, it is no big deal? We are supposed to just read a book and stay home until a vaccine is developed? Good grief. We could sit home for years and a vaccine might not be available. They still don’t have a vaccine for HIV, which Fauci was involved in...
We can’t shutdown America every time a virus pops up. You don’t quarantine healthy people. You don’t make arbitrary restrictions...pickle ball courts are closed, tennis courts are open. You can shop at Target, but it’s too dangerous to shop at a small local business. WTF
The only way this will end is if we stop paying everyone in government until the shutdown ends and unemployment returns to pre-virus levels. Once the government salaries are ceased, suddenly it will be dangerous not to reopen America and they will finally suggest just quarantining the sick and elderly, not the whole damn country.
When the government shuts down it is story after story about how awful it is. How the government being shutdown a week is so harmful to families. Yet now, when it is the private sector, it is no big deal?
So much this. 'Member when government paper shufflers and pencil pushers were out of work for like two-weeks and there was concern that they were "starving?" Meanwhile they were going to get all their pay once the government "opened" again.
I never, ever, want to hear about the government employees suffering if we have another budget show-down.
Exactly! Where are all the MSM stories about how we need to reopen because small business owners Tom and Jane can't afford to feed their three children Tommy, Molly and Johnny? We get those stories every single time the government shuts down for two weeks. Every time! And yet private, small businesses have been shuttered weeks and weeks, with possibly more weeks...and if they say they need to reopen their business they are selfish, because PEOPLE ARE DYING! never mind how selfish it is for everyone working in government to still be getting paid and just recommending hard-working families sit home for months living off their savings. Disgusting
The problem is, Americans have come to believe the lie that in order for them to have the freedom of exercising their liberty, their government has to “let” them. Our rights didn’t come from our govt & they have no authority to curb or strip us of them. We have authority over our government. The only reason they get away with what they do is because we let them. They can’t “let” us do anything. As for the ass hats telling everybody to “stay the fuck inside”, let them go on screaming from their Lysol-covered safe rooms. We need to get back to living.
Ok, but if everything opens back up how am I going to get that free money so I can stay at home and play Nintendo Switch and order pizza. Come on man don't be SELFISH #InThisTogether
I had to choose my words carefully the other day when a friend, who can work remote, was criticizing people protesting to get the country opened up again. When I commented that not everyone is as fortunate as us and unemployment benefits aren't always sufficient, nor forever, their response was more or less, "That's a risk I'm willing to take."
I don't think enough people understand what being unemployed can do to a person, and we're at 26 million plus Americans currently. We know the risks now and can make informed decisions, unlike late January. This perpetual fear/hysteria is irrational. And I'm that person who has always had to wash their hands before eating.
People who didn't live through the 2008 crash or weren't in a job yet
You will have a period where everything seems fine. Talking about people still working in food shops etc. I would say late May into June people will see what it means to have tens of millions of people out of work. Then the fact the government can't pay those people forever. Local government will go broke in a few month's time.
The economy is like a daisy chain. One leads to another area of the economy and so on and so on.
Tourism is dead. Like actually stone dead. In many areas, it will be the only one that is a "growing industry". Everything is closed.
Don't worry the voices for getting back to work will grow and grow as even the people with high paid jobs get made unemployed.
The teachers love it. They won’t have to go back to work until late August. Basically this year between the stay home ordered, summer and holiday breaks, teachers will get paid full salary for about six months real work.
No wonder they are pumping “We’re all in this Together!” and acting like this is perfectly terrific. Here in MN, instead of arriving to work at 7 and leaving at 3 and interacting with students, they are “teaching’ online about an hour a day (if that) and then walking around the lakes, gardening, etc,
Yet the people that want to go back to work to earn a living are the ones called selfish. How dare they want to support their own family!!! And the people screeching about staying home are supposedly not selfish? What a clown world.
Im willing to bet that schools are going to consolidate classes and some teachers will lose their job due to tax revenue being fucked. Surely budgets will be smaller next year..?
I know our local district was already making cuts...doing away with world languages in middle school, removing certain other classes, that sort of thing. Much of our school budget (aside from salaries) seems to be for things I personally think could be cut like free breakfasts and lunches which has grown ridiculously. It used to be free/reduced lunch only. Then they expanded to breakfast. It used to be a very small number of students on it, now it has expanded to include a vast majority of a district, which is just insane. Then it expanded to summer...now some districts through this crisis are doing it on weekends and have added dinner. I mean, come on. At what point are families supposed to priorities spending money on their needs, not simply their wants. How much does it cost for me to give my own child a banana and a piece of toast for breakfast v the school having to pay someone a salary and benefits to feed my child? If a family needs food assistance, we have SNAP benefits. So what are they doing with SNAP if the children are getting breakfast and lunch at the school? We also have tons of food shelves and charity. So I see how school budgets have become so bloated over the years. We've also had an influx of non-english speaking students which costs additional money in staffing/para support.
Schools are going to have to make some tough decisions, as tax payers will want to keep more of their hard earned money, not be burdened with higher property taxes to support someone else's family.
If you were a mask you part of the problem. If you wash your hands bathing goin sanitizer because you are fearful of Coronavirus you are part of the problem. If you are ok with GEOTUS relying on Fauci and CDC you are part of the problem. If you social distancing nice and feel that it’s appropriate to stay 6 ft apart- because of fear of contracting Covid-19 you are part of the problem. Pretending a fake hoax pandemic designed to destroy our economy and bring down Trump ....pretending it is a real threatening virus in anyway... you are part of the problem.
Nothing in my life has been affected really and I am 100x more pissed off than my physical therpy friends who have literally lost their job. It's infuriating.
This is what I'm saying... most of the people crying are pensioned boomers making six-figure retirement incomes.... regular folk in millennial generation or younger need these jobs.
Should say "people who don't work". The media, politicians and celebrities are about the only people who still have jobs and want everyone to stay home.
Yes a lot of people I know who are still working have office jobs who have been able to work from home now. Very fortunate for them. And yes they’re the ones who tell us to shut up about not having a job. As they are able to easily collect a paycheck in their pajamas
I have an office job, work from home right now and I tell everyone wanting to "#StayHome" to "#STFU".
Honestly I hate working from home, I avoid it where there are times I have to like if I dont want to take a day off to go to a doctors appt or theres something I have to do but it doesnt take the whole day. too many distractions when you actually have to get something done, you have to ask someone a question or discuss something through MS Teams or email, and you're otherwise tethered to a laptop all day.
I mean I'm saving gas money and dont have a commute and all but staying home all the time sucks
I am one of those work from home ppl, let me tell you I am fucking furious. I've never been more fearful for the future of this country. This is bar none the biggest over reaction and government overreach in modern history. I also know having a job in a shit economy is much worse than one in a good economy. I lived through the Obama and Trump years, difference is astounding.
This is ALL you need to know....PERIOD. Full Stop.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin.
I would rather live for one second in grave danger, on my feet standing proud and free, than live for an eternity on my knees and safe. - ME.
the people complaining are either retirees who get a pension, millennial commies who are in on the scare attempt because they want their vision to keep going (staying at home, being a leech on society and collecting a government check for existing, while watching Netflix, playing video games and jacking off to Bernie speeches, or they're people who think being "safe" from a disease is worth financial ruin..."we have no money but at least we got our health derp"
If it is ok to grocery store while wearing a mask, then why is it not ok to go to the office, machine shop, barber shop, etc while wearing the same mask?
There was some justification for drastic action at first. Based on bad information and lies, we thought this virus had a 10% mortality rate and no effective treatment. The only way we could stop massive death was preventing people from contracting the disease.
But new information indicates a mortality rate of about 0.1% and a treatment that is 98% effective when tried. (Hydroxychloroquine, Erythromycin or heart-safe substitute for those with heart issues and Zinc Sulphate) All of these have been in use and are cheap. That's why the Medical-Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex is having fits because they insist on expensive treatments and deadly vaccines by Financial Big Shots.
There is no reason to continue this lock down. Just make sure the doctors have the cure available, quick tests if available, and treat before ventilators are necessary.
I found this Oval Office presser over the weekend to be very interesting....a clever way to make places and things completely sanitized. I too wonder what's in that "fogging" substance.
Exactly, it's not necessarily about me, but my story is far from unique. I lost my job and still have to pay for my rent and everything else while I am being told I won't hear back about my unemployment benefits for months. I have also lost my health insurance coverage because even the COBRA payments are not possible for me to make right now. I'm going to be evicted and lose everything--- and I have a Master's degree. I've never been a depressed or suicidal person, but it's incredibly stressful when you know there is nothing you can do about your eventual eviction and homelessness. I can't even imagine if I had a family to take care of. 26 million of us are experiencing this, and that number will only continue to grow.
It really bugs me when people say I'm being insensitive to the people who are most likely to die from COVID (the median age of which is 80). We have had just over 50,000 people pass away from COVID, but you have over 26 million working age young adults who are now unemployed and a few weeks away from financial disaster and they can't even afford therapy.
I, nor anyone in my family, has lost their job from this. Actually, we have uniformly received more job security. I support your and everyone else’s right to go back to work. Anyone who says, “what about the people who’s loved ones will die from this virus?” I say, “what about the people whose loved ones will die from poverty or depression linked to being non-essential.”
I am an "essential" worker, whatever the hell that means. I think it is insane that the US government has decided to play God with our lives and our communities. The powers that be choosing which businesses are allowed to be open and which aren't is rediculous. They have set up stores like Walmart, Target and Lowe's etc. For huge profits while KILLING small business. This has all been a power play! Be ready for the next phase because it ain't over.
Unfortunately, I'm encountering this in my own family. I'm still working but when I mention 22 million unemployed, I'm lucky to get "yeah, that's bad." when I rather here "what the hell is going on with our federal and state governments? People are going to be rioting, the food chain is breaking down, people are about to starve in the coming weeks..."
I've applied to everything from Management in finance to supervisor in retail and have not had any luck. Prior to the shutdown recruitment peeps were messaging me to gauge interest! What have we done to our Country?
Literally everyone I know that is out of work during this time signed up for unemployment and told me they are getting more out of unemployment than they do from their actual jobs. This includes middle-class jobs ($40-80k). All the while my spouse and I are still working making no extra. Hell, my spouse is a nurse taking care of COVID-19 patients, and she gets nothing extra. No bonus, no hazard pay, nothing. We aren't complaining cuz we prefer to work, and we are able to pay our bills, but this shit is wack.
Yeah, this could be solved easily. Quarantine the elderly and keep assisted living facilities on lockdown.
Don’t quarantine healthy people indefinitely.
Originally, this was about staying home to “flatten the curve”
It was not “Stay home until no one ever dies again.”
Get America back to work.
Just to be fair, not decreasing the number of cases is not the same as not reducing deaths. The hope was that more deaths could be reduced by not overwhelming the hospitals all at once leaving sick patients untreated. Thus flattening the curve saves live without reducing the total number of cases.
But his is now moot anyway. Just ramp up the cure and make sure medicine is practiced by DOCTORS and not politicians.
Yes, I get it. But they've moved the goal posts, otherwise they'd have us open again. The original objective, we were told, was to "flatten the curve" we knew this meant so the hospitals could be prepared and not overrun at one time. We've done that. They didn't even need all the precautionary measures we put in place. The USS Comfort only had 189 patients. Tent hospitals across the country were never needed. Clearly, our medical system is able to handle patients right now and yet, still shut down. So it went from flattening the curve objective, to slowing the spread. Well, now some places like Virginia, are talking about TWO YEARS of this. They are basically now saying we can't treat our neighbors like they are disposable (MN Gov) and we are selfish if we aren't staying inside or social distancing because no one should die again.
Two years? That's insane. If the virus turns out to be completely horrifying, one can consider such measures (or, preferably, other measures that are not extremely vulnerable to exploitation). But saying two years without extreme evidence that everyone agrees 100% upon is insane, and locking down fully is not viable for anything but an extremely short period of time.
A lot of people and organizations on the left and in the deep state seem to exploit this to the extreme.
It is as if they wanted the virus to spread as much as possible early on, such as with:
And then, once the virus has spread to the USA, exploit it to its fullest and pretend they were not on "team spread-it-everywhere".
Even a few days ago, when Nancy Pelosi claimed that Trump's travel ban against China was not sufficient, a reporter asked whether she supported some form of travel ban against China, and as I recall, she did not quite want to answer that question....................
I hope my other comments in this thread will end up aging very poorly. I really, really hope they will age poorly.
In case my comments do age well, I fear this is one problem with the reddit-like system with upvotes and downvotes, at least reg. deviating opinions (and sometimes shill teams, though I would believe that is not the case here); downvotes are typically not meant to be "agree/disagree", but are just about always used in that way, at least for some cases.
I think the virus is an unknown. Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak. It may be very little, but it might also turn out to be something.
Lockdowns are insanely expensive, and there is no point in not dying to the disease if you instead die of starvation and famine. If you go the lockdown route, you at least need massive financial support for people, especially those prevented from working. But that is insanely expensive and has other huge costs and problems.
Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping, etc. And even crappy, cheap homemade masks can help a little bit, especially against droplets. They are also widely used in East Asia.
Reg. the virus being an unknown: I made this comment some days ago, and I am still really curious as to what other people think:
“Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak.”
What the fuck?
It nearly exclusively kills the fat, sick and old. We know this.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
“Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping...”
Oh no another mask shill. Ok wear your mask. You do that. You’re helping.
The bug has to spread throughout our population and it has to run its course. Let the healthy folks catch it and isolate the weak, at-risk. Obama ignored the swine flu and it ran its course.
what's a mask shill?
Masks are a placebo. They make people feel safe while providing almost no real protection. People wearing masks are more likely to break social distancing and actually get infected.
It's the opposite. People wearing masks are more mentally geared toward protecting themselves and others. They're the ones who wash their hands with alcohol more often, and keep a safe distance. The mask is just the cherry on top.
I can't say I agree with that. You should both practice social distancing and wear a mask when among others. Crappy home-made masks help a bit against droplets, and only a very small amount against aerosols. I don't feel safe when wearing a mask, and I still follow social distancing.
If masks were not useful, why would doctors and nurses wear them? The rumours and statements that were spread early (including from officials) that they are not useful were hopefully a dishonest attempt at attempting to get the quality masks to where they were most needed, namely doctors and nurses. But that could have been handled by telling people that doctors and nurses should be prioritized reg. masks.
So far. Hopefully that is all it will be. Hopefully.
You are linking a post that uses WaPo as their source.
Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I completely overlooked that part, I apologize. There's another article that seems to be using similar sources, though I do not know whether they are more or less trustworthy: https://archive.vn/OCV3D .
I did find this online: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32294809 , though I do not know the significance of it (it might just be a summary).
Without the actual data used to come to their conclusion it's all suspect. The plural of anecdote is not evidence.
Yes, but it can raise questions in the other direction as well.
Sure but questions aren't evidence. In the absence of knowledge the most honest answer is to say we don't know.
I saw this. I don't know enough about the stroke thing yet, but it seems very strange to me. I want more information on these stroke victims.
It's based on a case series of FIVE patients over 2 weeks in NYC, who happened to be COVID positive (mild cases). Certainly way too soon to draw any conclusions about causality, or to base policy on extreme cases.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929345
Thanks for this info. Appreciate it!
If a patient is merely given supportive treatment, instead of treating for the infection, all kinds of bad things can happen to the body. This is typical of viral diseases, generally.
If someone you care about gets this infection, insist on early testing and treatment with a drug cocktail designed to, at minimum, inhibit viral replication. Do not let these mfers kill your own.
Do it for your pop pop
He's already dead. Creepy Joe told me so.
He died from net neutrality
And ever, and ever..
When the government shuts down it is story after story about how awful it is. How the government being shutdown a week is so harmful to families. Yet now, when it is the private sector, it is no big deal? We are supposed to just read a book and stay home until a vaccine is developed? Good grief. We could sit home for years and a vaccine might not be available. They still don’t have a vaccine for HIV, which Fauci was involved in...
We can’t shutdown America every time a virus pops up. You don’t quarantine healthy people. You don’t make arbitrary restrictions...pickle ball courts are closed, tennis courts are open. You can shop at Target, but it’s too dangerous to shop at a small local business. WTF
The only way this will end is if we stop paying everyone in government until the shutdown ends and unemployment returns to pre-virus levels. Once the government salaries are ceased, suddenly it will be dangerous not to reopen America and they will finally suggest just quarantining the sick and elderly, not the whole damn country.
So much this. 'Member when government paper shufflers and pencil pushers were out of work for like two-weeks and there was concern that they were "starving?" Meanwhile they were going to get all their pay once the government "opened" again.
I never, ever, want to hear about the government employees suffering if we have another budget show-down.
Exactly! Where are all the MSM stories about how we need to reopen because small business owners Tom and Jane can't afford to feed their three children Tommy, Molly and Johnny? We get those stories every single time the government shuts down for two weeks. Every time! And yet private, small businesses have been shuttered weeks and weeks, with possibly more weeks...and if they say they need to reopen their business they are selfish, because PEOPLE ARE DYING! never mind how selfish it is for everyone working in government to still be getting paid and just recommending hard-working families sit home for months living off their savings. Disgusting
The problem is, Americans have come to believe the lie that in order for them to have the freedom of exercising their liberty, their government has to “let” them. Our rights didn’t come from our govt & they have no authority to curb or strip us of them. We have authority over our government. The only reason they get away with what they do is because we let them. They can’t “let” us do anything. As for the ass hats telling everybody to “stay the fuck inside”, let them go on screaming from their Lysol-covered safe rooms. We need to get back to living.
Honestly, he should have just said we need to inject ourselves with bleach and let natural selection do its thing.
Just say home for 2 more weeks, yes we said that 5 weeks ago, but trust us this time.
Ok, but if everything opens back up how am I going to get that free money so I can stay at home and play Nintendo Switch and order pizza. Come on man don't be SELFISH #InThisTogether
Spot on exactly. Wish I could upvote this more than once
Here, take my up-vote. Oh wait, now I can't up-vote it as well. Dang it, I didn't think this through.
I had to choose my words carefully the other day when a friend, who can work remote, was criticizing people protesting to get the country opened up again. When I commented that not everyone is as fortunate as us and unemployment benefits aren't always sufficient, nor forever, their response was more or less, "That's a risk I'm willing to take."
I don't think enough people understand what being unemployed can do to a person, and we're at 26 million plus Americans currently. We know the risks now and can make informed decisions, unlike late January. This perpetual fear/hysteria is irrational. And I'm that person who has always had to wash their hands before eating.
...about other people struggling to survive while they are insulated from the same fallout....talk about tone deaf.
Sadly quite common.
ah, i remember this format
People who didn't live through the 2008 crash or weren't in a job yet
You will have a period where everything seems fine. Talking about people still working in food shops etc. I would say late May into June people will see what it means to have tens of millions of people out of work. Then the fact the government can't pay those people forever. Local government will go broke in a few month's time.
The economy is like a daisy chain. One leads to another area of the economy and so on and so on.
Tourism is dead. Like actually stone dead. In many areas, it will be the only one that is a "growing industry". Everything is closed.
Don't worry the voices for getting back to work will grow and grow as even the people with high paid jobs get made unemployed.
loss of sales tax alone is killing state budgets. I got to wonder about states with no income tax
More like people who are staying home and still getting paid.
The teachers love it. They won’t have to go back to work until late August. Basically this year between the stay home ordered, summer and holiday breaks, teachers will get paid full salary for about six months real work.
No wonder they are pumping “We’re all in this Together!” and acting like this is perfectly terrific. Here in MN, instead of arriving to work at 7 and leaving at 3 and interacting with students, they are “teaching’ online about an hour a day (if that) and then walking around the lakes, gardening, etc,
Yet the people that want to go back to work to earn a living are the ones called selfish. How dare they want to support their own family!!! And the people screeching about staying home are supposedly not selfish? What a clown world.
You'd be surprised my Engineering professor (I'm graduated) posted on Facebook that she misses her job and hates teaching from home.
Fortunately, there are a few teachers/professors like that, but these days I find them the exception, not the rule.
Im willing to bet that schools are going to consolidate classes and some teachers will lose their job due to tax revenue being fucked. Surely budgets will be smaller next year..?
I know our local district was already making cuts...doing away with world languages in middle school, removing certain other classes, that sort of thing. Much of our school budget (aside from salaries) seems to be for things I personally think could be cut like free breakfasts and lunches which has grown ridiculously. It used to be free/reduced lunch only. Then they expanded to breakfast. It used to be a very small number of students on it, now it has expanded to include a vast majority of a district, which is just insane. Then it expanded to summer...now some districts through this crisis are doing it on weekends and have added dinner. I mean, come on. At what point are families supposed to priorities spending money on their needs, not simply their wants. How much does it cost for me to give my own child a banana and a piece of toast for breakfast v the school having to pay someone a salary and benefits to feed my child? If a family needs food assistance, we have SNAP benefits. So what are they doing with SNAP if the children are getting breakfast and lunch at the school? We also have tons of food shelves and charity. So I see how school budgets have become so bloated over the years. We've also had an influx of non-english speaking students which costs additional money in staffing/para support.
Schools are going to have to make some tough decisions, as tax payers will want to keep more of their hard earned money, not be burdened with higher property taxes to support someone else's family.
This is the real reason behind this abhorrent display of false humanism.
If you were a mask you part of the problem. If you wash your hands bathing goin sanitizer because you are fearful of Coronavirus you are part of the problem. If you are ok with GEOTUS relying on Fauci and CDC you are part of the problem. If you social distancing nice and feel that it’s appropriate to stay 6 ft apart- because of fear of contracting Covid-19 you are part of the problem. Pretending a fake hoax pandemic designed to destroy our economy and bring down Trump ....pretending it is a real threatening virus in anyway... you are part of the problem.
I still have a job, and am appalled that this is occurring.
(I will be laid off soon, however, if these orders remain in place. Cash flow is just about dried up.)
I am a government contractor and still have a job but this can't go on forever....
Nothing in my life has been affected really and I am 100x more pissed off than my physical therpy friends who have literally lost their job. It's infuriating.
This is what I'm saying... most of the people crying are pensioned boomers making six-figure retirement incomes.... regular folk in millennial generation or younger need these jobs.
Direct and to the point.
Should say "people who don't work". The media, politicians and celebrities are about the only people who still have jobs and want everyone to stay home.
America has gone, and been insane for quite a long time.
Late Stage Insanity, but in its final death throes...much better days ahead.
Yes a lot of people I know who are still working have office jobs who have been able to work from home now. Very fortunate for them. And yes they’re the ones who tell us to shut up about not having a job. As they are able to easily collect a paycheck in their pajamas
I have an office job, work from home right now and I tell everyone wanting to "#StayHome" to "#STFU".
Honestly I hate working from home, I avoid it where there are times I have to like if I dont want to take a day off to go to a doctors appt or theres something I have to do but it doesnt take the whole day. too many distractions when you actually have to get something done, you have to ask someone a question or discuss something through MS Teams or email, and you're otherwise tethered to a laptop all day.
I mean I'm saving gas money and dont have a commute and all but staying home all the time sucks
I am one of those work from home ppl, let me tell you I am fucking furious. I've never been more fearful for the future of this country. This is bar none the biggest over reaction and government overreach in modern history. I also know having a job in a shit economy is much worse than one in a good economy. I lived through the Obama and Trump years, difference is astounding.
This is ALL you need to know....PERIOD. Full Stop.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin. I would rather live for one second in grave danger, on my feet standing proud and free, than live for an eternity on my knees and safe. - ME.
All the empty space around them represents the covid threat (none)
Yes. If you’re still earning your income during the lockdown, then your opinion on the length of the lockdown is invalid.
the people complaining are either retirees who get a pension, millennial commies who are in on the scare attempt because they want their vision to keep going (staying at home, being a leech on society and collecting a government check for existing, while watching Netflix, playing video games and jacking off to Bernie speeches, or they're people who think being "safe" from a disease is worth financial ruin..."we have no money but at least we got our health derp"
If it is ok to grocery store while wearing a mask, then why is it not ok to go to the office, machine shop, barber shop, etc while wearing the same mask?
Not pictured: people sitting at home, not working, collecting thousands per month while many essential workers make less to risk their lives.
That meme about sums it up
For some unknown reason, they also didn't offer to subsidize you from their salaries either.
Tell the selfish people in the pic to give you their money.
If they refuse, tell em to stop breeding and f off.
I am still working, please let my coworkers come back so I’m not so lonely in this lab by myself. 🙁
but don't you know, its better to miss your mortgage payments and be 100% homeless vs taking a 2% chance at getting sick!
Or the bums making more off welfare than working so they're trying to drag this nonsense for as long as possible.
It's not people who still have jobs; it is retirees, where I live. It's the tyranny of the infirm.
There was some justification for drastic action at first. Based on bad information and lies, we thought this virus had a 10% mortality rate and no effective treatment. The only way we could stop massive death was preventing people from contracting the disease.
But new information indicates a mortality rate of about 0.1% and a treatment that is 98% effective when tried. (Hydroxychloroquine, Erythromycin or heart-safe substitute for those with heart issues and Zinc Sulphate) All of these have been in use and are cheap. That's why the Medical-Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex is having fits because they insist on expensive treatments and deadly vaccines by Financial Big Shots.
There is no reason to continue this lock down. Just make sure the doctors have the cure available, quick tests if available, and treat before ventilators are necessary.
END of story.
It's even worse when you consider the Orwellian ID2020 push behind "the vaccine"...
I found this Oval Office presser over the weekend to be very interesting....a clever way to make places and things completely sanitized. I too wonder what's in that "fogging" substance.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1254249626707861505
Exactly, it's not necessarily about me, but my story is far from unique. I lost my job and still have to pay for my rent and everything else while I am being told I won't hear back about my unemployment benefits for months. I have also lost my health insurance coverage because even the COBRA payments are not possible for me to make right now. I'm going to be evicted and lose everything--- and I have a Master's degree. I've never been a depressed or suicidal person, but it's incredibly stressful when you know there is nothing you can do about your eventual eviction and homelessness. I can't even imagine if I had a family to take care of. 26 million of us are experiencing this, and that number will only continue to grow.
It really bugs me when people say I'm being insensitive to the people who are most likely to die from COVID (the median age of which is 80). We have had just over 50,000 people pass away from COVID, but you have over 26 million working age young adults who are now unemployed and a few weeks away from financial disaster and they can't even afford therapy.
WHITE HOUSE TASK FORCE PRESS BRIEFING TONIGHT 5:00 PM EST!! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIV2_1e012E
I hope you can get back to work soon!
I, nor anyone in my family, has lost their job from this. Actually, we have uniformly received more job security. I support your and everyone else’s right to go back to work. Anyone who says, “what about the people who’s loved ones will die from this virus?” I say, “what about the people whose loved ones will die from poverty or depression linked to being non-essential.”
I am an "essential" worker, whatever the hell that means. I think it is insane that the US government has decided to play God with our lives and our communities. The powers that be choosing which businesses are allowed to be open and which aren't is rediculous. They have set up stores like Walmart, Target and Lowe's etc. For huge profits while KILLING small business. This has all been a power play! Be ready for the next phase because it ain't over.
Unfortunately, I'm encountering this in my own family. I'm still working but when I mention 22 million unemployed, I'm lucky to get "yeah, that's bad." when I rather here "what the hell is going on with our federal and state governments? People are going to be rioting, the food chain is breaking down, people are about to starve in the coming weeks..."
I've applied to everything from Management in finance to supervisor in retail and have not had any luck. Prior to the shutdown recruitment peeps were messaging me to gauge interest! What have we done to our Country?
Do you not want to work??? If you do then so what, who cares what they say.
Literally everyone I know that is out of work during this time signed up for unemployment and told me they are getting more out of unemployment than they do from their actual jobs. This includes middle-class jobs ($40-80k). All the while my spouse and I are still working making no extra. Hell, my spouse is a nurse taking care of COVID-19 patients, and she gets nothing extra. No bonus, no hazard pay, nothing. We aren't complaining cuz we prefer to work, and we are able to pay our bills, but this shit is wack.
I think it's reverse role in this pic.
I’ve seen so many incorrect memes here lately. I’m starting to think messing them up is a trend.