I think the virus is an unknown. Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak. It may be very little, but it might also turn out to be something.
Lockdowns are insanely expensive, and there is no point in not dying to the disease if you instead die of starvation and famine. If you go the lockdown route, you at least need massive financial support for people, especially those prevented from working. But that is insanely expensive and has other huge costs and problems.
Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping, etc. And even crappy, cheap homemade masks can help a little bit, especially against droplets. They are also widely used in East Asia.
Reg. the virus being an unknown: I made this comment some days ago, and I am still really curious as to what other people think:
I am hearing/reading increasing rumours that the Chinese coronavirus is causing blood clots, which affects not just the lungs but also other parts of the body such as the brain and the heart.
However, these rumours mostly come from new sources that I do not trust. One source that I do not know whether to trust is this one:
Is this unfounded rumours, intentional fake news (possibly from China), or something possibly real? Might the Chinese coronavirus be among other aspects a blood-affecting virus, possibly not a lung-focused virus?
Please do keep in mind that I am a layman, not a doctor, reg. this.
“Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping...”
Oh no another mask shill. Ok wear your mask. You do that. You’re helping.
The bug has to spread throughout our population and it has to run its course. Let the healthy folks catch it and isolate the weak, at-risk. Obama ignored the swine flu and it ran its course.
Masks are a placebo. They make people feel safe while providing almost no real protection. People wearing masks are more likely to break social distancing and actually get infected.
It's the opposite. People wearing masks are more mentally geared toward protecting themselves and others. They're the ones who wash their hands with alcohol more often, and keep a safe distance. The mask is just the cherry on top.
I can't say I agree with that. You should both practice social distancing and wear a mask when among others. Crappy home-made masks help a bit against droplets, and only a very small amount against aerosols. I don't feel safe when wearing a mask, and I still follow social distancing.
If masks were not useful, why would doctors and nurses wear them? The rumours and statements that were spread early (including from officials) that they are not useful were hopefully a dishonest attempt at attempting to get the quality masks to where they were most needed, namely doctors and nurses. But that could have been handled by telling people that doctors and nurses should be prioritized reg. masks.
I completely overlooked that part, I apologize. There's another article that seems to be using similar sources, though I do not know whether they are more or less trustworthy: https://archive.vn/OCV3D .
It's based on a case series of FIVE patients over 2 weeks in NYC, who happened to be COVID positive (mild cases). Certainly way too soon to draw any conclusions about causality, or to base policy on extreme cases.
If a patient is merely given supportive treatment, instead of treating for the infection, all kinds of bad things can happen to the body. This is typical of viral diseases, generally.
If someone you care about gets this infection, insist on early testing and treatment with a drug cocktail designed to, at minimum, inhibit viral replication. Do not let these mfers kill your own.
I think the virus is an unknown. Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak. It may be very little, but it might also turn out to be something.
Lockdowns are insanely expensive, and there is no point in not dying to the disease if you instead die of starvation and famine. If you go the lockdown route, you at least need massive financial support for people, especially those prevented from working. But that is insanely expensive and has other huge costs and problems.
Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping, etc. And even crappy, cheap homemade masks can help a little bit, especially against droplets. They are also widely used in East Asia.
Reg. the virus being an unknown: I made this comment some days ago, and I am still really curious as to what other people think:
“Not certain it only affects the elderly and weak.”
What the fuck?
It nearly exclusively kills the fat, sick and old. We know this.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
“Masks are a very cheap approach (very cheap in many ways) and should definitely be used, since masks do not hinder moving around, working, shopping...”
Oh no another mask shill. Ok wear your mask. You do that. You’re helping.
The bug has to spread throughout our population and it has to run its course. Let the healthy folks catch it and isolate the weak, at-risk. Obama ignored the swine flu and it ran its course.
what's a mask shill?
Masks are a placebo. They make people feel safe while providing almost no real protection. People wearing masks are more likely to break social distancing and actually get infected.
It's the opposite. People wearing masks are more mentally geared toward protecting themselves and others. They're the ones who wash their hands with alcohol more often, and keep a safe distance. The mask is just the cherry on top.
I can't say I agree with that. You should both practice social distancing and wear a mask when among others. Crappy home-made masks help a bit against droplets, and only a very small amount against aerosols. I don't feel safe when wearing a mask, and I still follow social distancing.
If masks were not useful, why would doctors and nurses wear them? The rumours and statements that were spread early (including from officials) that they are not useful were hopefully a dishonest attempt at attempting to get the quality masks to where they were most needed, namely doctors and nurses. But that could have been handled by telling people that doctors and nurses should be prioritized reg. masks.
So far. Hopefully that is all it will be. Hopefully.
You are linking a post that uses WaPo as their source.
Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I completely overlooked that part, I apologize. There's another article that seems to be using similar sources, though I do not know whether they are more or less trustworthy: https://archive.vn/OCV3D .
I did find this online: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32294809 , though I do not know the significance of it (it might just be a summary).
Without the actual data used to come to their conclusion it's all suspect. The plural of anecdote is not evidence.
Yes, but it can raise questions in the other direction as well.
I saw this. I don't know enough about the stroke thing yet, but it seems very strange to me. I want more information on these stroke victims.
It's based on a case series of FIVE patients over 2 weeks in NYC, who happened to be COVID positive (mild cases). Certainly way too soon to draw any conclusions about causality, or to base policy on extreme cases.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929345
Thanks for this info. Appreciate it!
If a patient is merely given supportive treatment, instead of treating for the infection, all kinds of bad things can happen to the body. This is typical of viral diseases, generally.
If someone you care about gets this infection, insist on early testing and treatment with a drug cocktail designed to, at minimum, inhibit viral replication. Do not let these mfers kill your own.