Listen the to the podcast. It's pretty good. Neither are pedes but they're both willing to entertain ideas, admit when they're wrong and be pretty entertaining. I'm Team GEOTUS 💯, but I like both guys. Beauty and the Beta and Matt Christiansen are better political podcasts but for what this is, I liked it and usually like JRE. Except when he has total cucks like Bill Maher and the Labour party redcoat on.