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SimplePede -3 points ago +1 / -4

No more endless investigations. Ok? Unless it's Hillary Clinton or a case where someone clearly broke the law no more endless investigations. The doctors are just doing what best medical ethics dictates.

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Sumarongi 2 points ago +2 / -0

The doctors are just doing what best medical ethics dictates

Are you being sarcastic?

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SimplePede 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. I've got enough nurses in my family to know better.

"Do no harm"

All doctors and medical personnel are ethically mandated to say that to do the least harm, the quarantine must outlast the virus.

Now where that gets complicated us when the economy steps in. Economy can't go that long so the country's going to open up sooner than any doctor would professionally say.

I might not like that a doctor is saying the quarantine should go on, but that's exactly what any doctor would say, I'm not going to demand they be fired and investigated for saying what every other doctor would be professionally required to say

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Sumarongi 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have news for you, not everyone in the medical industry behaves ethically

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SimplePede 1 point ago +1 / -0

...and?

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ailurus 2 points ago +2 / -0

All doctors and medical personnel are ethically mandated to say that to do the least harm

Then what's the metric for opening things up? Because there's a cost-benefit analysis and Fauci, the media and most politicians are flat-out ignoring the other side of it. Sure, you don't want the people with pre-existing respiratory conditions or compromised immune systems exposed to the virus. I get it.

But we've already got increases in suicide rates. We've already got food banks stretched to the limit. We've already got both the supply chain and the food supply taking big hits. Go ask the nurses in your family what prolonged isolation does to people's health and immune systems. Actually, I'll do that last one for you in case they decide to just give a non-answer about "we need to protect people from the virus."

"But 50,000 people have died already" So fing what? I'm serious, so fing what? That's about the number of people who die annually from suicide in the US, and when's the last time we had a national "prevent suicide" shutdown (or, frankly, a national "prevent suicide" anything to help)? You want deaths? Look at the 138,000,000+ people in the US with obesity, or the 110,000,000+ people with hypertension, or the 100,000,000+ who either have or are on the verge of having diabetes. They're not going to the doctor for checkups and treatments much anymore, both because of the mass panic the media is trying to drum up in everyone and the fact many medical personnel are being furloughed. What's going to start happening there? A whole freaking lot more than 50,000 people are going to start having issues real soon, even more so when they're all broke, starving, have weakened immune systems and are suffering growing mental issues.

And on top of that, we're finding out daily that this virus is not nearly as bad as first thought. The numbers we have are orders of magnitude lower than the initial models, which alone should be anyone with any common sense start re-evaluating things. And then we have a 5% death rate from comparing confirmed cases of having the virus with every possible death that may have been tangentially connected to the virus which raises yet more alarm bells. Then throw in the antibody tests and the increasing number of people who are showing up as completely asymptomatic. Then throw in the fact that something like 98% of the deaths came from people with easily observed pre-existing conditions. Then throw in the fact that colossal mismanagement and (frankly) something that was pretty darn close to manslaughter on a massive scale in NYC is skewing the numbers for the country beyond horribly (see this post from further up in this thread ).

So now tell me - which side is the greater harm on?

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SimplePede 0 points ago +1 / -1

I ain't got time to read a book man. Cut it to a few concise lines