Reddit wants to pick and choose what content is allowed on their site. Ok, they have that right as a private company.
That is called being a publisher. Companies that select what they want to publish, like book publishers, newspapers, blogs, or television stations, are responsible for the content that they publish. If it is defamatory, they must pay damages.
If reddit wants to act like a publisher, picking and choosing what viewpoint to endorse, then they should be liable for defamatory content on their site. If they don't want to be liable for that, then they should stop censoring views that they don't like. It's the way the law works for everyone else, and that's how it should work for large social media companies.
I would love to see Nick Sandmann or Sean Hannity follow up their current court cases with a lawsuit against Reddit using this very argument. Reddit is not a platform. There is too much editorial control for it to be anything other than a publisher.
Nick was 16 in 2018. He's a young adult now with the energy, financial means, and previous court settlements on his side from larger media companies than Reddit.
When I was 18, I knew plenty of men that were the same age as I. Remind me again what the age of the average soldier fighting in the Revolutionary War. I'll wait.
This! One of my uncles was a bomber pilot in World War 2, flying a fully-crewed plane over Nazi Germany loaded with gunners and munitions attacking enemy territory in a hot warzone when he was 19 years old.
What was he doing at 18? Learning to fly that plane. Laying the foundation for the Air Force that we didn't even have yet (he was in the Army Air Corps.)
I'd like to go back to the days where we each have our own sites, or small-med forum sites/groups, that all link to each other via web rings. That's how things were before social media and plebbit centralized all of it. They sold us the convenience of one stop shopping, and we paid with our freedom of speech. I'd like to have the net look more like it used to. But that'd require tons of people to fire back up their old sites. And some type of API that all the devs could use to link feeds from all the sites together.
I use a certain hobby interest forum that claims "NO POLITICS ALLOWED". For the most part, that's true, but if you lean left it seems like a lot more leeway is given in what is considered a political post.
If you happen to lean to the right, you can be certain that some cucked bitch boy will be hitting the report button.
tread lightly here. Holding providers legally liable is dangerous. I'm thinking of secure platforms like Signal, vpns, etc. here There is a "bi-partisan bill working it's way though congress now that will do just that .It's supposedly to combat porn and child trafficking which has merit but it's all in the wording. Look for it in the next NDAA. That's where congress does all it's dirty work. NO MORE VOICE VOTING either.
I agree we tried to co-exist but let's face it, conservatives need to build their own platforms in this media age. We cannot be at the mercy of leftist snowflakes in silicon valley. The same thing that happened with Reddit, needs to happen with Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook. At some point some entrepreneurs with an eye on the future will follow the trends build businesses that cater to conservatives, let's hope that it happens sooner than later.
Because the_donald was a source of true information and memes. Other social networks are just pandering to attention whores, so the biggest networks will still thrive.
Diaspora. Was made to be a fakebook killer but needs more people to use it... Would like to see the owners of this place looking into making a pod for the users since that is kinda the point since control falls towards the owner of the pod rather then a central location... I don't use twatter but it has it intergrated... a bit of funding/elbow grease could get it to work with Gab.ai and other sites... Most of these places either need hands to help or funding.
I’m independent. It’s really scary that the entirety of censorship seems to be left people censoring right people though. I come to The Donald because it’s one of the only uncensored counterpoints of news on the open internet.
All the alternatives to The Donald are echo chamber crapfests like MSM sites, r/pol, etc. It’d be really nice if there was a site like this for counter points, but I don’t think that would be possible in the current group think climate. They actively believe that disagreement is an act of violence when it’s against anything they were told to believe. That’s a big part of the beliefs underlying postmodernism.
At a meta level, most of this is postmodernism battling it out with traditional values and common sense that built a nice enough world to allow drivel like postmodernism to have a chance to exist and be heard.
This seems like a good idea but in practice is a form of digital flight. Big tech firms are counting on conservatives to run to these smaller outfits (that will never have the amount of use mainstream ones have) so that they can control even more of the narrative. We need serious reform of these tech companies, alternatives become ghettos way too quickly.
Reddit had to lie about our numbers, suppress our posts, and change their rules because they needed to cover up how popular our great president is. They knew that letting the truth out would be let people know how unpopular Hillary really was, and that she didn't actually win the popular vote. She lost by many millions, and only appeared to be close due to illegals voting and Soros voting machines.
The subscriber numbers The Donald had on Reddit never really made sense. They were always far too low as time went on, and didn’t at all represent the growth you would expect or would actually see on the site, which this site proves.
Considering how much support Trump always got through online platforms, and the fact that he actually won, it would be really weird if people suddenly dropped off after the sub was clearly successful. You would even expect people that hated the sub to subscribe so they could see what the other half thought, which is a huge number right there because it’s a polarizing sub.
The ‘remorse’ arguments I’ve heard, that people supporting Trump mostly regret it, also don’t make any sense. I have never met a single person that voted for Trump that regretted it. Not one. Not some. Just zero. He also did exactly what he said he’d do when elected too. He blew through half his list in the first couple of weeks. Most people also don’t unsubscribe from things like that on Reddit.
I like how Germany handled that. They asked why they stopped showing China numbers in their comparison, and they just said nobody believes those fake numbers. The whole world should do that. Treat China like they’re a misbehaving child until they stop acting like a misbehaving child.
Why can't we get more than a couple thousand upvotes on a post here then?
We always assumed the upvote count on plebbit was severely reduced by their backend algorithms. Yet when we moved here, something interesting struck me: the upvote counts are about the same.
Why can't we get more than a couple thousand upvotes on a post here then?
Because most people haven't come over from reddit, yet. It takes more than a few months to build up a platform to be comparable with billion dollar social media companies.
As far as I understood from that post regarding thedonald.win success stats, the admins here replied to some comments hinting there will be subsections (like subreddits) here soonish. I personally suggested a /worldnews subsection here, so we can post and discuss worldnews without being censored like in reddit.
DUDE! We could make different subs on this site for trump supporters and everything republican and make this the official right-wing reddit, the most fundamental things for doing it are already in place!
I only just found out this site exists btw and my God I can't believe how satisfying it is to upvote here!
That would be nice to have a 2A sub to this one. I ran into a lot of cucks on the reddit firearms subs and ended up leaving them. Plus, although we all support Trump here, not everyone is as dedicated to preserving the 2A as you would think. Either that or they're apathetic about it.
Yes, but now we have .win and this site is way better
Except that it isn't.
Look, I love being able to come here and talk about whatever without fear of being banned.
But, the reality is this is the quintessential definition of an echo chamber. Very few normies are going to come to another website to see what we are talking about. When we were on reddit, the sub merely existing was enough to redpill hundreds of thousands of normies who wanted to see what it was all about. Now that has been taken from us, and we are running out of options.
I hate to be the bad guy, or the downer here, but losing our foothold on reddit was a huge blow to what we are trying to do.
This site is the best thing we have right now, and I am grateful for it. But, let's not convince ourselves that being de-platformed from all major social media platforms is a good thing for our movement.
I disagree with you. Reddit censoring Trump supporters achieves the opposite of what they want to achieve. Censorship always , through history had shown to fail and bring the exact opposite result.
"Normies" dont get to see any positive trump comment in reddit anyway, not the current manipulated reddit. It is all deleted , downvoted and banned. I am personally banned by reddit no matter if I use a vpn., clear cache, make new account, buy an established account, switch computers. Nothing works, if I go to /r/politics and challenge the current narrative and say positive things about Trump and anything negative about Joe, I get shadowbanned, my comment wont show to anybody. I am aparently only allowed to post in certain subreddits (football for example) without being banned. Anything else , even if i comment in /r/pics where they post negative trump stuff all day, and i make a comment there positive about him., boom banned. Dont think this kind of censorship goes unoticed by neutrals and "normies". People all over reddit notice the censorship, obviously some encourage it (those who hate trump and this sub) , but the vast majority of comments I see on reddit by controversial are daily calling out the censorship of any trump supporter in the platform. I say let them keep doing it, it alrdy backfired in 2016 when they let that whole "correct the record" superpack manipulate everything, Bernie voters ended up voting for Trump as they too noticed how reddit went from r/all being 24/7 pro trump posts, to nothing , then r politics went from being a Bernie place to shilling for Hillary , any mention of "Shareblue" or certain mods working for the DNC got you immediate bans.
Anyway, I disagree with your view. I think reddit and other social media platforms banning trump supporters gets widely noticed and it will bring a positive effect and this will be reflected in the voting in November. The general public dont support censorship and silencing view points. Same reason why Trump calling out "fake news" every day has worked for him, everybody including his haters notice the media is covering for Joe Biden , making up lies, correcting stories every day , etc. Their ratings keep plummeting, nobody cares what lies they want to say, same story with reddit. Me and a ton other people used to go there for the latest stories, but nowadays it all gets cherry picked what makes it to r all.
It was a stupid effort by these tech companies. They will lose in the end as you can see the this site popped up and has grown exponentially. If I were a share holders I would protest these censorship moves.
Yep. I'm wondering how long before the .win domain is seized. It's currently with a friendly registrar, but that still doesn't stop the authorities from seizing it.
.win is a great TLD, not going to lie I own a few, and apparently it is marketed to gamers and formerly used by spammers. I don't think I've heard of any .win names being taken.
I know several liberals who think this is actually a wise idea. They’re the same people who also call everything they disagree with fascist. Figure that one out.
Although the piece was written by an (ex?) “progressive”, it seems like a pretty accurate (if overanalyzed, but we’re talking game journalism culture and feminist intersectionalists here, so kinda comes with the territory) and thorough presentation of the issue that tries to be fair to both sides (and tends to be more honest because of it).
There are probably ‘better’ articles on the issue, but I likely filed this one because it includes a lot of detail, which usually overcomes the bias of the moment in which it was written.
In any case, the model was a direct precursor:
Hide collusion < suppress criticism < create artificial controversy around a separate victim stance issue to distract from real problem < false flag < artificial outrage < consensus shaping < reframing as a ‘safety issue’ < outright censorship and deplatforming < smug revisionist history-telling.
Gamer-gate was the world’s big introduction to ‘online hate-speech’ as some kind of real-world threat and ‘incel’ shaming as a virtue signal
But by now, most people hardly blink at these heavy-handed moves to control public speech. They are told that dissent is either misinformation or hate speech, and, in the midst of a pandemic, such freedoms are positively dangerous.
While this may please elites hoping to control the narrative and create hype or fear when the occasion calls for it, it has left most of the population without a voice or any point of reference on major public issues.
(Reddit and) All the other social media companies have done this as well: YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Google Pinterest, even the knitting community Ravelry. Each identify and muzzle the conservative members in their midst and enforce leftist conformity
As with Reddit, these sites also claim to make these decisions to eliminate hate speech, block misinformation, and protect victims. As with Reddit, conservative speech—the kind that opposes abortion and socialism and supports Trump and freedom—is always considered hateful and misinformed.
these sites serve billions of users and can sway public opinion far more than the established mainstream media ever did. They can bury evidence that conflicts with prevailing leftist narratives (as such, even researching this topic is unusually difficult). They can silence political campaigns, de-platform and denigrate any prominent conservative, and generate all kinds of societal crises, including the ongoing hysteria over Wuhan virus, in which the cure may soon prove more disastrous than the disease.
This renders conversations about politics, culture, and religion boring and predictable and encourage mindless technology bingeing. Thus, people become indifferent and passive, falling under the sway of big government and big business—more like the dystopias of Brave New World or Fahrenheit 451 than that of 1984.
"Presaged"? The so-called "quarantine" was long after Spez edited people's posts without their knowledge or consent and without labeling the posts as having been changed by him. Not to mention all the other crap Leftit pulled starting in mid-2016.
There are very few places on the internet where you can:
speak freely
be surrounded by reasonable people who have the power to effect change
Notice that 2nd point. There are still places where you can speak freely but they are filled with edgelords who are in many ways unreasonable.
Its very hard to find an online outlet where a reasonable, constitutional protest could be organized... without some kind of tyrannical action coming down on you.
The most important part. TPTB will let you have whatever little conservative corner of the net that you want, so long as you don't affect election outcomes or other policy. The second your online behavior starts moving the real world in a rightward direction, you'll get banned. We now see that the once-egalitarian chorus of internet pioneers never really wanted free and effective speech. Rather, they wanted free and ineffective speech for our side, while their side was free to be as effective as they wanted.
Have you seen with that place is like without us around?
You can’t even take any joy in trolling people or owning idiots because they’re all idiots.
They are mostly 12-22 year old transgendered communist Canadians and it shows.
Have a nice time marketing that toxic cesspool to advertisers...haha!
Have you guys read any of the reviews of Reddit’s corporate culture over on glassdoor.com? Oh you should my friends, it makes for some very suspicions-confirming reading
Reddit should look into the lessons of the God Emperor of Dune. Suppress a movement that simply wants to exist enough ,and it will explode out of your control at the opportunity to slip out of bounds. Destruction only delays the movement.
I was a reditor since about 2012. I have not gone back on since. Fuck that place, I am home! That site will turn into exactly what every other liberal controlled thing turns into... A Shithole. MAGA!!!
Where are our cultural leaders on the Right and why aren't they organizing mass protests against big tech and social media censorship? It's way past time we protested for our right to speak freely on social media.
Tencent owns reddit. They're are so many paid CCP hacks pretending they are British and American who are so upset at their nations but somehow hold China in no way accountable.
REGIME OF CENSORSHIP THOUGHT: “Confident that none of the thousands of journalists in Washington will question, or even report, what he writes, Watts lays out, from the standpoint of the repressive apparatus of the state and the financial oligarchy it defends, why censorship is necessary.
The central theme of the report is “sovereignty,” or the state’s ability to impose its will upon the population. This “sovereignty,” Watts writes, faces “greater challenges now than it ever has in the past,” due to the confluence between growing political opposition to the state and the internet’s ability to quickly spread political dissent.
Watts cites the precedent of the invention of the printing press, which helped overthrow the feudal world order. In the Atlantic Council’s estimation, however, this was an overwhelmingly negative development, ushering in “decades, and arguably centuries, of conflict and disruption” and undermining the “sovereignty” of absolutist states. The “invention of the internet is similarly creating conflict and disruption,” Watts writes.
“Trust in Western society,” he warns, “is experiencing a crisis. The 2018 Edelman Trust Barometer has tracked this erosion, showing a 30 percent drop in trust in government over the last year in the United States.”
Watts notes that this collapse in support for the government cannot be explained merely by the rise of social media. This process began in the early 2000s, “at the dawn of the social media age but before it had become mainstream.” Left out are the major reasons for the collapse of popular support for government institutions: the stolen election of 2000, the Bush administration’s lies about weapons of mass destruction, unending war and the impact of the 2008 financial crisis.
However, while it is “hard to argue that the current loss of trust results solely from the emergence of social media,” Watts writes, there “can be little doubt that it acted as a critical amplifier of broader trends."
He continues: “Technology has democratized the ability for sub-state groups and individuals to broadcast a narrative with limited resources and virtually unlimited scope.” By contrast, “In the past, the general public had limited sources of information, which were managed by professional gatekeepers.”
In other words, the rise of uncensored social media allowed small groups with ideas that correspond to those of the broader population to challenge the political narrative of vested interests on an equal footing, without the “professional gatekeepers” of the mainstream print and broadcast media, which publicizes only a pro-government narrative.
When “radical and extremist views” and “incorrect ideas” are “broadcast over social media, they can even influence the views of people who would not otherwise be sympathetic to that perspective,” Watts warns. “When forwarded by a close friend or relation, false information carries additional legitimacy; once accepted by an individual, this false information can be difficult to correct.”
People must be isolated, in other words, from the “incorrect” ideas of their friends and family, because such ideas are “difficult to correct” by the state once disseminated.
But how is this to be done? The growth of oppositional sentiment cannot be combatted with “facts” or the “truth,” because “facts themselves are not sufficient to combat disinformation.” The “truth” is “too complex, less interesting, and less meaningful to individuals.”
Nor can the growth of political opposition, for the time being, simply be solved by “eliminating” (i.e., killing or jailing) political dissidents, because this only lends legitimacy to the ideas of the victims. “Eliminating those individuals and organizations will not be sufficient to combat the narrative and may in fact help amplify it.” He adds, “This is also the case for censorship as those behind the narrative can use the attempt to repress the message as proof of its truth, importance, or authenticity.”
Enter the social media companies. The best mechanism for suppressing oppositional viewpoints and promoting pro-government narratives is the private sector, in particular “technology giants, including Facebook, Google, YouTube, and Twitter,” which can “determine what people see and do not see.”
Watts adds, “Fortunately, shifts in the policies of social media platforms such as Facebook have had significant impact on the type and quality of the content that is broadcast.”
The private sector, therefore, must do the dirty work of the government, because government propaganda is viewed with suspicion by the population. “Business and the private sector may not naturally understand the role they play in combating disinformation, but theirs is one of the most important…. In the West at least, they have been thrust into a central role due to the general public’s increased trust in them as institutions.”
But this is only the beginning. Online newspapers should “consider disabling commentary systems—the function of allowing the general public to leave comments beneath a particular media item,” while social media companies should “use a grading system akin to that used to rate the cleanliness of restaurants” to rate their users’ political statements.
Strong-arm tactics still have a role, of course. Citing the example of WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange, Watts declares that “governments need to create consequences” for spreading “disinformation” similar to those meted out for “state espionage” – which can carry the death penalty
What Watts outlines in his document is a vision of a totalitarian social order, where the government, the media, and technology companies are united in suppressing oppositional viewpoints.
The most striking element of the document, however, is that it is not describing the future, but contemporary reality. Everything is in the present tense. The machinery of mass censorship has already been built...
At congressional hearings and in other public statements, leading US technology companies have explained that they reduced the propagation of political views and statements targeted by US intelligence agencies, and did so in secret because they feared a public outcry. At the same time, they have explained the technical means by which they promoted pro-government, pro-war news outlets, such as the New York Times and Washington Post.
But the Atlantic Council document presents the most clear, direct and unvarnished explanation of the regime of state censorship.
The struggle against censorship is the spearhead of the defense of all democratic rights”
Peer to peer media is the future and should be a type of format for people to watch on bigger scale. For the people who just want to hear and not be online.
Censorship, manufactured outrage, and prejudice has reached peak fascist levels.
Isn't it something how every other business model is suffering while these assholes profit and thrive on Chi-com tactics of oppression. If we don't mobilize and deal with these threats soon it won't be long before they are running the entire show.
Reddit wants to pick and choose what content is allowed on their site. Ok, they have that right as a private company.
That is called being a publisher. Companies that select what they want to publish, like book publishers, newspapers, blogs, or television stations, are responsible for the content that they publish. If it is defamatory, they must pay damages.
If reddit wants to act like a publisher, picking and choosing what viewpoint to endorse, then they should be liable for defamatory content on their site. If they don't want to be liable for that, then they should stop censoring views that they don't like. It's the way the law works for everyone else, and that's how it should work for large social media companies.
I would love to see Nick Sandmann or Sean Hannity follow up their current court cases with a lawsuit against Reddit using this very argument. Reddit is not a platform. There is too much editorial control for it to be anything other than a publisher.
Nick was 16 in 2018. He's a young adult now with the energy, financial means, and previous court settlements on his side from larger media companies than Reddit.
He's perfect.
Puff puff pass. You need to pass now.
>also
Stop pushing the Q-tip into your ear when you feel resistance.
Nah, maybe it's just you that was a bitch at 18.
When I was 18, I knew plenty of men that were the same age as I. Remind me again what the age of the average soldier fighting in the Revolutionary War. I'll wait.
This! One of my uncles was a bomber pilot in World War 2, flying a fully-crewed plane over Nazi Germany loaded with gunners and munitions attacking enemy territory in a hot warzone when he was 19 years old.
What was he doing at 18? Learning to fly that plane. Laying the foundation for the Air Force that we didn't even have yet (he was in the Army Air Corps.)
>That guy was a straight-up American Bad-ass.
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I'd like to go back to the days where we each have our own sites, or small-med forum sites/groups, that all link to each other via web rings. That's how things were before social media and plebbit centralized all of it. They sold us the convenience of one stop shopping, and we paid with our freedom of speech. I'd like to have the net look more like it used to. But that'd require tons of people to fire back up their old sites. And some type of API that all the devs could use to link feeds from all the sites together.
I use a certain hobby interest forum that claims "NO POLITICS ALLOWED". For the most part, that's true, but if you lean left it seems like a lot more leeway is given in what is considered a political post.
If you happen to lean to the right, you can be certain that some cucked bitch boy will be hitting the report button.
tread lightly here. Holding providers legally liable is dangerous. I'm thinking of secure platforms like Signal, vpns, etc. here There is a "bi-partisan bill working it's way though congress now that will do just that .It's supposedly to combat porn and child trafficking which has merit but it's all in the wording. Look for it in the next NDAA. That's where congress does all it's dirty work. NO MORE VOICE VOTING either.
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I agree we tried to co-exist but let's face it, conservatives need to build their own platforms in this media age. We cannot be at the mercy of leftist snowflakes in silicon valley. The same thing that happened with Reddit, needs to happen with Youtube, Twitter, and Facebook. At some point some entrepreneurs with an eye on the future will follow the trends build businesses that cater to conservatives, let's hope that it happens sooner than later.
It's happened! The sites are built, but very few are using them.. :(
Because the_donald was a source of true information and memes. Other social networks are just pandering to attention whores, so the biggest networks will still thrive.
What are they?
Diaspora. Was made to be a fakebook killer but needs more people to use it... Would like to see the owners of this place looking into making a pod for the users since that is kinda the point since control falls towards the owner of the pod rather then a central location... I don't use twatter but it has it intergrated... a bit of funding/elbow grease could get it to work with Gab.ai and other sites... Most of these places either need hands to help or funding.
I’m independent. It’s really scary that the entirety of censorship seems to be left people censoring right people though. I come to The Donald because it’s one of the only uncensored counterpoints of news on the open internet.
All the alternatives to The Donald are echo chamber crapfests like MSM sites, r/pol, etc. It’d be really nice if there was a site like this for counter points, but I don’t think that would be possible in the current group think climate. They actively believe that disagreement is an act of violence when it’s against anything they were told to believe. That’s a big part of the beliefs underlying postmodernism.
At a meta level, most of this is postmodernism battling it out with traditional values and common sense that built a nice enough world to allow drivel like postmodernism to have a chance to exist and be heard.
This seems like a good idea but in practice is a form of digital flight. Big tech firms are counting on conservatives to run to these smaller outfits (that will never have the amount of use mainstream ones have) so that they can control even more of the narrative. We need serious reform of these tech companies, alternatives become ghettos way too quickly.
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WE JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING, FOLKS! THE TRUMP TRAIN JUST GOT 10 BILLION MPH FASTER!
CURRENT SPEED: 360,899,385,117,000 MPH!
At that rate, it would take approximately 4.65 years to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy (2.5 million light-years)!
Did someone say global bacon of freedom?
Found Alex Jones' account.
Reddit = China = asshoe.
Daily reminder, The_Donald had over 6 million subscribers by 2017:
https://i.imgur.com/WqfsX7U.png
Reddit had to lie about our numbers, suppress our posts, and change their rules because they needed to cover up how popular our great president is. They knew that letting the truth out would be let people know how unpopular Hillary really was, and that she didn't actually win the popular vote. She lost by many millions, and only appeared to be close due to illegals voting and Soros voting machines.
The subscriber numbers The Donald had on Reddit never really made sense. They were always far too low as time went on, and didn’t at all represent the growth you would expect or would actually see on the site, which this site proves.
Considering how much support Trump always got through online platforms, and the fact that he actually won, it would be really weird if people suddenly dropped off after the sub was clearly successful. You would even expect people that hated the sub to subscribe so they could see what the other half thought, which is a huge number right there because it’s a polarizing sub.
The ‘remorse’ arguments I’ve heard, that people supporting Trump mostly regret it, also don’t make any sense. I have never met a single person that voted for Trump that regretted it. Not one. Not some. Just zero. He also did exactly what he said he’d do when elected too. He blew through half his list in the first couple of weeks. Most people also don’t unsubscribe from things like that on Reddit.
Just like the Quranavirus numbers out of China.
I like how Germany handled that. They asked why they stopped showing China numbers in their comparison, and they just said nobody believes those fake numbers. The whole world should do that. Treat China like they’re a misbehaving child until they stop acting like a misbehaving child.
Based Germany and Sweden? The world truly is upside down.
Why can't we get more than a couple thousand upvotes on a post here then?
We always assumed the upvote count on plebbit was severely reduced by their backend algorithms. Yet when we moved here, something interesting struck me: the upvote counts are about the same.
Because most people haven't come over from reddit, yet. It takes more than a few months to build up a platform to be comparable with billion dollar social media companies.
Don't forget the DNC
Reddit = DNC = China = asshoe
I concur.
Now those bullets, where should they be made? Mind you, to make good bullets, you've got to be a different kind of asshole.
Mother Russia Komrade.
Oh, I have a question!
Is it true that you were specially made with extra sodium polyacrylate to absorb the cabbage smell in Hillary’s urine?
I’ve heard reports from senior officials familiar with your stinking that it doesn’t work.
Does Hillary really have a snuke in her sniz?
Complex equation, but it checks out.
Yeah they should def expand to more sections at some point.
Doggos was actually talking about that recently, having sub wins...
Not Sub wins, Don Jrs.*
HIRE THIS MAN, NOW!
Love the idea of thedonald.win/jrs as subs!
I kinda like "SubTrumps".
Adam already won with "Don Jrs"
As far as I understood from that post regarding thedonald.win success stats, the admins here replied to some comments hinting there will be subsections (like subreddits) here soonish. I personally suggested a /worldnews subsection here, so we can post and discuss worldnews without being censored like in reddit.
DUDE! We could make different subs on this site for trump supporters and everything republican and make this the official right-wing reddit, the most fundamental things for doing it are already in place!
I only just found out this site exists btw and my God I can't believe how satisfying it is to upvote here!
Enjoy that freedom boner, you got 5 more years of it if everyone gets out and votes.
They're coming, it's confirmed. Soon is all they would say
That would be nice to have a 2A sub to this one. I ran into a lot of cucks on the reddit firearms subs and ended up leaving them. Plus, although we all support Trump here, not everyone is as dedicated to preserving the 2A as you would think. Either that or they're apathetic about it.
Except that it isn't.
Look, I love being able to come here and talk about whatever without fear of being banned.
But, the reality is this is the quintessential definition of an echo chamber. Very few normies are going to come to another website to see what we are talking about. When we were on reddit, the sub merely existing was enough to redpill hundreds of thousands of normies who wanted to see what it was all about. Now that has been taken from us, and we are running out of options.
I hate to be the bad guy, or the downer here, but losing our foothold on reddit was a huge blow to what we are trying to do.
This site is the best thing we have right now, and I am grateful for it. But, let's not convince ourselves that being de-platformed from all major social media platforms is a good thing for our movement.
I disagree with you. Reddit censoring Trump supporters achieves the opposite of what they want to achieve. Censorship always , through history had shown to fail and bring the exact opposite result.
"Normies" dont get to see any positive trump comment in reddit anyway, not the current manipulated reddit. It is all deleted , downvoted and banned. I am personally banned by reddit no matter if I use a vpn., clear cache, make new account, buy an established account, switch computers. Nothing works, if I go to /r/politics and challenge the current narrative and say positive things about Trump and anything negative about Joe, I get shadowbanned, my comment wont show to anybody. I am aparently only allowed to post in certain subreddits (football for example) without being banned. Anything else , even if i comment in /r/pics where they post negative trump stuff all day, and i make a comment there positive about him., boom banned. Dont think this kind of censorship goes unoticed by neutrals and "normies". People all over reddit notice the censorship, obviously some encourage it (those who hate trump and this sub) , but the vast majority of comments I see on reddit by controversial are daily calling out the censorship of any trump supporter in the platform. I say let them keep doing it, it alrdy backfired in 2016 when they let that whole "correct the record" superpack manipulate everything, Bernie voters ended up voting for Trump as they too noticed how reddit went from r/all being 24/7 pro trump posts, to nothing , then r politics went from being a Bernie place to shilling for Hillary , any mention of "Shareblue" or certain mods working for the DNC got you immediate bans.
Anyway, I disagree with your view. I think reddit and other social media platforms banning trump supporters gets widely noticed and it will bring a positive effect and this will be reflected in the voting in November. The general public dont support censorship and silencing view points. Same reason why Trump calling out "fake news" every day has worked for him, everybody including his haters notice the media is covering for Joe Biden , making up lies, correcting stories every day , etc. Their ratings keep plummeting, nobody cares what lies they want to say, same story with reddit. Me and a ton other people used to go there for the latest stories, but nowadays it all gets cherry picked what makes it to r all.
Eh the sub on Reddit was still better than this imo. This place still needs a lot of work but it’s getting better.
And now that we have our oxygen mask on, we can get to work on YouTube, Twitter,etc.
Can't stop the signal.
Don't tread on me
I miss being able to type u/spez is a cuck and having it tag him directly
My favorite reply to him was "fuck u/spez" haha
Haha great username
Yea, u/spez likes his sausages raw between the buns
It was a stupid effort by these tech companies. They will lose in the end as you can see the this site popped up and has grown exponentially. If I were a share holders I would protest these censorship moves.
I posted this same article hours ago - glad your post got stickied
But OP took your imaginary internet points, you should be outraged!
We’re all frens here.
Don't take it personal. Timing is key and here timing is based on luck.
Happens all the time.
I'm not at all, it was great article that I think many here would want to read
From the same people they're trying to push out, discredit, and silence anyway.
The people they side with would mostly just applaud such bannings.
Never forget this , and tell everyone :
Far left = control freaks
They want to control
They feel it is their duty to censor """bad""" information.
“Liberal”
The next step is complete government control of the internet. They can simply say websites with "fake" information can no longer exist.
Yep. I'm wondering how long before the .win domain is seized. It's currently with a friendly registrar, but that still doesn't stop the authorities from seizing it.
Yup. We need a backup. Like that old backpacking moto, two is one, one is none.
.win is a great TLD, not going to lie I own a few, and apparently it is marketed to gamers and formerly used by spammers. I don't think I've heard of any .win names being taken.
I know several liberals who think this is actually a wise idea. They’re the same people who also call everything they disagree with fascist. Figure that one out.
Which government? It isn't the US government coercing private businesses to push propaganda.
Our ISP and reigstrars could be coerced by the US government to shutdown websites they deem "dangerous" or "fake"
Gamer-gate was a pre-curser of the suppression model Reddshit used
https://humanevents.com/2019/08/21/the-real-history-of-gamergate/
May I ask why you say that?
Although the piece was written by an (ex?) “progressive”, it seems like a pretty accurate (if overanalyzed, but we’re talking game journalism culture and feminist intersectionalists here, so kinda comes with the territory) and thorough presentation of the issue that tries to be fair to both sides (and tends to be more honest because of it).
There are probably ‘better’ articles on the issue, but I likely filed this one because it includes a lot of detail, which usually overcomes the bias of the moment in which it was written.
In any case, the model was a direct precursor: Hide collusion < suppress criticism < create artificial controversy around a separate victim stance issue to distract from real problem < false flag < artificial outrage < consensus shaping < reframing as a ‘safety issue’ < outright censorship and deplatforming < smug revisionist history-telling.
Gamer-gate was the world’s big introduction to ‘online hate-speech’ as some kind of real-world threat and ‘incel’ shaming as a virtue signal
‘Progressives’ gotta progres!
That'd be a good competitor to revelry: stitchbitch.com
Every Democrat is a violent totalitarian thug. Pure evil scum.
Know it. Accept it. Expect it.
propaganda relies on total control. If they lose any one of youtube, twitter, etc. then they lose.
Absolutely
We need to be saved from the fake news media and censorship.
What can Trump do to make sure in 2024 this is no longer an issue?
Basically, fuck the CCP
We still have a long way to go. Too many people can't get away from Big Boys like FB and Twitter. Keep promoting alternatives!
☝️
"Presaged"? The so-called "quarantine" was long after Spez edited people's posts without their knowledge or consent and without labeling the posts as having been changed by him. Not to mention all the other crap Leftit pulled starting in mid-2016.
Good to see anti-free speech and ChiCom loving Reddit continuing to be exposed.
But time for less talk and more action to crush these authoritarian and leftist oligopolies.
There are very few places on the internet where you can:
Notice that 2nd point. There are still places where you can speak freely but they are filled with edgelords who are in many ways unreasonable.
Its very hard to find an online outlet where a reasonable, constitutional protest could be organized... without some kind of tyrannical action coming down on you.
The most important part. TPTB will let you have whatever little conservative corner of the net that you want, so long as you don't affect election outcomes or other policy. The second your online behavior starts moving the real world in a rightward direction, you'll get banned. We now see that the once-egalitarian chorus of internet pioneers never really wanted free and effective speech. Rather, they wanted free and ineffective speech for our side, while their side was free to be as effective as they wanted.
Have you seen with that place is like without us around?
You can’t even take any joy in trolling people or owning idiots because they’re all idiots.
They are mostly 12-22 year old transgendered communist Canadians and it shows.
Have a nice time marketing that toxic cesspool to advertisers...haha!
Have you guys read any of the reviews of Reddit’s corporate culture over on glassdoor.com? Oh you should my friends, it makes for some very suspicions-confirming reading
u/spez is a pedo
Gamergate was my redpill, though that one played out more in news outlets and youtube than on reddit.
Highest praise and Kudos to the mods. They saw this coming and played their hand well Bravo Zulu
Reddit should look into the lessons of the God Emperor of Dune. Suppress a movement that simply wants to exist enough ,and it will explode out of your control at the opportunity to slip out of bounds. Destruction only delays the movement.
yea i'm really glad this is working out. Fuck Reddit & Fuck Spez, those Chinese-owned, commie loving assholes.
MY ONLY COMPLAINT: We really need a 'remember me' checkbox when logging in. not a big deal but i hate having to login every other day or w/e.
The_Donald Liberated!!! Type 1775 if you believe in free speech!!
"The Donald had 750,000 subscribers"
Yeah multiply that by a factor of 5-10 and you will be approaching reality
This was even cross posted to Lucianne.com:
lucianne.com/2020/04/28/how_reddits_quarantine_of_the_donald_brpresaged_social_medias_control_over_information_32860.html
I was a reditor since about 2012. I have not gone back on since. Fuck that place, I am home! That site will turn into exactly what every other liberal controlled thing turns into... A Shithole. MAGA!!!
I admit that I am still there to watch cat videos... and that’s about it.
Put that AD blocker up!
Where are our cultural leaders on the Right and why aren't they organizing mass protests against big tech and social media censorship? It's way past time we protested for our right to speak freely on social media.
The cultural leaders are beholden to their donors who hate us and the President, unfortunately.
Tencent owns reddit. They're are so many paid CCP hacks pretending they are British and American who are so upset at their nations but somehow hold China in no way accountable.
The article is a bit late to the party - but better late than never.
REGIME OF CENSORSHIP THOUGHT: “Confident that none of the thousands of journalists in Washington will question, or even report, what he writes, Watts lays out, from the standpoint of the repressive apparatus of the state and the financial oligarchy it defends, why censorship is necessary.
The central theme of the report is “sovereignty,” or the state’s ability to impose its will upon the population. This “sovereignty,” Watts writes, faces “greater challenges now than it ever has in the past,” due to the confluence between growing political opposition to the state and the internet’s ability to quickly spread political dissent. Watts cites the precedent of the invention of the printing press, which helped overthrow the feudal world order. In the Atlantic Council’s estimation, however, this was an overwhelmingly negative development, ushering in “decades, and arguably centuries, of conflict and disruption” and undermining the “sovereignty” of absolutist states. The “invention of the internet is similarly creating conflict and disruption,” Watts writes.
“Trust in Western society,” he warns, “is experiencing a crisis. The 2018 Edelman Trust Barometer has tracked this erosion, showing a 30 percent drop in trust in government over the last year in the United States.”
Watts notes that this collapse in support for the government cannot be explained merely by the rise of social media. This process began in the early 2000s, “at the dawn of the social media age but before it had become mainstream.” Left out are the major reasons for the collapse of popular support for government institutions: the stolen election of 2000, the Bush administration’s lies about weapons of mass destruction, unending war and the impact of the 2008 financial crisis.
However, while it is “hard to argue that the current loss of trust results solely from the emergence of social media,” Watts writes, there “can be little doubt that it acted as a critical amplifier of broader trends."
He continues: “Technology has democratized the ability for sub-state groups and individuals to broadcast a narrative with limited resources and virtually unlimited scope.” By contrast, “In the past, the general public had limited sources of information, which were managed by professional gatekeepers.”
In other words, the rise of uncensored social media allowed small groups with ideas that correspond to those of the broader population to challenge the political narrative of vested interests on an equal footing, without the “professional gatekeepers” of the mainstream print and broadcast media, which publicizes only a pro-government narrative.
When “radical and extremist views” and “incorrect ideas” are “broadcast over social media, they can even influence the views of people who would not otherwise be sympathetic to that perspective,” Watts warns. “When forwarded by a close friend or relation, false information carries additional legitimacy; once accepted by an individual, this false information can be difficult to correct.”
People must be isolated, in other words, from the “incorrect” ideas of their friends and family, because such ideas are “difficult to correct” by the state once disseminated.
But how is this to be done? The growth of oppositional sentiment cannot be combatted with “facts” or the “truth,” because “facts themselves are not sufficient to combat disinformation.” The “truth” is “too complex, less interesting, and less meaningful to individuals.”
Nor can the growth of political opposition, for the time being, simply be solved by “eliminating” (i.e., killing or jailing) political dissidents, because this only lends legitimacy to the ideas of the victims. “Eliminating those individuals and organizations will not be sufficient to combat the narrative and may in fact help amplify it.” He adds, “This is also the case for censorship as those behind the narrative can use the attempt to repress the message as proof of its truth, importance, or authenticity.”
Enter the social media companies. The best mechanism for suppressing oppositional viewpoints and promoting pro-government narratives is the private sector, in particular “technology giants, including Facebook, Google, YouTube, and Twitter,” which can “determine what people see and do not see.”
Watts adds, “Fortunately, shifts in the policies of social media platforms such as Facebook have had significant impact on the type and quality of the content that is broadcast.”
The private sector, therefore, must do the dirty work of the government, because government propaganda is viewed with suspicion by the population. “Business and the private sector may not naturally understand the role they play in combating disinformation, but theirs is one of the most important…. In the West at least, they have been thrust into a central role due to the general public’s increased trust in them as institutions.”
But this is only the beginning. Online newspapers should “consider disabling commentary systems—the function of allowing the general public to leave comments beneath a particular media item,” while social media companies should “use a grading system akin to that used to rate the cleanliness of restaurants” to rate their users’ political statements.
Strong-arm tactics still have a role, of course. Citing the example of WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange, Watts declares that “governments need to create consequences” for spreading “disinformation” similar to those meted out for “state espionage” – which can carry the death penalty
What Watts outlines in his document is a vision of a totalitarian social order, where the government, the media, and technology companies are united in suppressing oppositional viewpoints.
The most striking element of the document, however, is that it is not describing the future, but contemporary reality. Everything is in the present tense. The machinery of mass censorship has already been built...
At congressional hearings and in other public statements, leading US technology companies have explained that they reduced the propagation of political views and statements targeted by US intelligence agencies, and did so in secret because they feared a public outcry. At the same time, they have explained the technical means by which they promoted pro-government, pro-war news outlets, such as the New York Times and Washington Post.
But the Atlantic Council document presents the most clear, direct and unvarnished explanation of the regime of state censorship. The struggle against censorship is the spearhead of the defense of all democratic rights”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/05/pers-o05.html
We can we not get a class action lawsuit against Reddit?
Peer to peer media is the future and should be a type of format for people to watch on bigger scale. For the people who just want to hear and not be online.
Reddit is a ChiCom asshole
Post a pic of your gender transition progress, call for US to get bombed = fine
Post something pro-Trump? BANNED
The Federalist shows up regularly on Real Clear Politics. It's not as fringe as you think.
Why hasn't GEOTUS called this shit out on Twitter? TD was by far his biggest fan base, it was the meme machine of dreams. Why radio silence?
This is a great article on censorship. So now what the hell are we going to do about it?
/r/politics is going to be LIT
It also presaged the plannedemic
Censorship, manufactured outrage, and prejudice has reached peak fascist levels. Isn't it something how every other business model is suffering while these assholes profit and thrive on Chi-com tactics of oppression. If we don't mobilize and deal with these threats soon it won't be long before they are running the entire show.
This is awesome
So basically our albatross.