Hardpass on this shit. 60 years and we cant even have a cure for the herps or hiv and we are suppose to trust this in 12 months time? Also Fuck you Bill Gates and Fuck you Big Pharma.
Those are treatments when you're already sick. Ideally, enough people willingly get vaccinated so those who cannot or do not wish to never need to.
Not all viruses are equal, we don't know if we'll have a vaccine or not until it's tested because there's a lot that can make a vaccine not work. HIV is hard to vaccinate against because it infects the very cells that make up the immune response and it can hide in places the immune system can't get to. When you activate the immune system to suppress it, you're giving it a lot of targets that it can use to make more of the damned virus. That's why we're stuck with anti-viral treatments to suppress the viruses spread, rather than to get the immune system to fight it.
Also, there is at least one herpes vaccine, namely the one for shingles (herpes zoster). So you'll have to qualify things a bit more if you want to say that.
Nobody knows if these vaccines will pan out until they're tested, though, that much is true. The damnable thing is that a lot of vaccines don't pan out, but we've got a bunch of different vaccines being tested, so hopefully one of them will pull through.
The first herpes zoster vaccine had about a 50% failure rate, so a second one was developed and marketed. That one has a significant risk of causing an active case of shingles. Let's hope the race to market a Corona vaccine doesn't work as well as that.
Having a cure for HIV and herpes would be a miracle that any Pede who is on our team I believe would be extremely grateful for and a cure for those two would be far more helpful than this Chinese Flu that a person can cure/recover/survive from WITHOUT a vaccine nor any medicated cure; if those who caught the virus take the anti-malaria drug plus the other one that starts with an “a” (if the state did not ban it to hurt President Trump) they will recover very quickly.
Define 'pro-vax'. I believe that they work and have been scientifically proven, but I don't want you to be forced to take them against your will and I think you should be given a respectful answer as to what we know and how we know it, rather than being censored or mocked.
Painting everyone into pro/anti camps tends to shut down discussion and creates more polarization and I hate to see that because some people have legitimate questions that deserve proper answers from people who actually explain their reasoning and back up their statements.
I absolutely hate the censorship on this because I know that propagandists are trying to pit us against each other when it shouldn't be that way.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Flu vaccine works only against certain strains of flu and the people that die from flu usually don't have the shot.
You can argue bodily autonomy. You can argue you don't want to risk the side effects. But arguing that vaccines don't work is dumb.
Small pox, mumps, measles, etc. These used to kill children like a scythe goes through a field. They work. They are efficient. You can choose not to take part.
Flu vaccine is useless. People still get sick after getting the vaccine, because there are many strains of the flu and they are all constantly mutating. The vaccines spread the flu more than they prevent the flu. The flu vaccine is an abject medical failure, but big pharma wont admit it. They want you getting your yearly injection of mercury and formaldehyde.
Do not use vaccines that are actually useful to justify a flu vaccine. They are two different things. Smallpox, mumps etc do not evolve quickly, vaccines last entire lifetimes and make a ton of sense. The flu vaccine is useless after a season (if that) and thus isn't a vaccine at all.
Haha why did you have to throw in mercury and formaldehyde in there? That destroys your whole point. You've obviously not researched it to determine that there are too many strains of the flu for a flu vaccine to be efficient. That would be some sort of argument at least.
No, you're just an anti-vaxxer that believes "big pharma" (scary companies!!!) wants to inject you with mercury because... reasons.
He just said there is useful vaccines and was only making a case for the flu vaccine, now you are calling him an anti-vaxxer? I would learn to read before trying to insult someone because it just makes you look that much more retarded.
Dude - Mercury and Formaldehyde are in the vaccines. Have you ever seen the ingredients? You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to know whats in the vaccines
Actually 60-80% effective based on 2018 numbers. Because they can't predict the variants the flu will mutate into this year. One year they'll fuck up and have a really shitty batch of completely worthless trash and the other year it's a near perfect vaccines.
Flu is a special case. Guess what though. The measles vaccines is way better and nearly wiped out the disease until people stopped getting it.
Oh and before you bring up polio vaccines... using crappy attenuated oral vaccines because third world tribes fear needles and Bill Gates is evil doesn't mean polio wasn't eradicated in the West thanks to the superior inactivated injection polio vaccine by dr Salk.
Which he gave away instead of charging $1000 a pop. And the 1st year that pharma was involved a defective batch was distributed in California infecting 1000s, crippling hundreds, and killing 10 out of the 200k injections.
How does one prove a negative? That not getting the flu is proof that a vaccine is effective. Reminder that according to the CDC, efficacy rate was as low as 19% for 2014-2015.
Most studies that use placebo as a base measurement have better % efficacy with placebo.
Same principal the China virus mitigation is based on. Healthy people have to stay under house-arrest to prevent people from dying. Another negative impossible to prove.
I had a flu vaccine that gave me reactive arthritis within 5 hours of having the shot. I had to have my temporal artery biopsied to rule out giant cell arteritis. My neurosurgeon said I was his fifth patient with the same problem after getting a flu vaccine. I will never, ever get a vaccine again. The vaccines you are talking about were great in the day but now they are all tainted in some way. It's sick!
No they aren't tainted because 5 out of 50 million is not a causal effect. Anyway like I said, get it or don't. Not my problem, but don't pretend vaccines don't work.
5? I had more than 5 in one season in one ER who had reactions ranging from high fever to Guillian Barre syndrome. I personally know someone who had a reactive arthritis but it was not reported because his doctor refused to believe a vaccine could cause harm.
How many go un reported because of physician's rigid thinking? They are willing to believe that meds can have severe side effects but not vaccines...go figure. Most dont even know that there are vaccines that were recalled due to serious adverse events.
We're not arguing against virus science. We know that if you expose a human to a dead virus sometimes that will lead to immunity and better health.
That doesn't make all vaccines absolutely great 100% of the time.
A vaccine is great. A vaccine that is spiked with lots of chemicals to induce cancer and inferitility in a deliberate effort to sabotage people for globalism is not great.
People have a choice if they want to inject aluminum, other heavy metals, and animal DNA fragments into their body. My body my choice.
I am not interested in WAITING on a vaccine. Open the country now. A vaccine could take weeks, months, or years...we can’t continue down this path or we will destroy what’s left of our country for a virus that the vast majority of people recover from.
Neither am I. Vaccine or no we open up. And after that when one comes available and after it reaches 90% efficiency with side effects I am willing to risk I am getting one.
Hardpass on this shit. 60 years and we cant even have a cure for the herps or hiv and we are suppose to trust this in 12 months time? Also Fuck you Bill Gates and Fuck you Big Pharma.
I'm calling fake news on this. Trump knows the cure - hydroxychloroquine or UV light. There is zero need for a vaccine.
And likely Zero chance of an effective vaccine in any case.
Still waiting for someone to show me evidence of a corona-virus vaccine that works.
also vitamine C in large doses and vitamine D(onald)
Those are treatments when you're already sick. Ideally, enough people willingly get vaccinated so those who cannot or do not wish to never need to.
Not all viruses are equal, we don't know if we'll have a vaccine or not until it's tested because there's a lot that can make a vaccine not work. HIV is hard to vaccinate against because it infects the very cells that make up the immune response and it can hide in places the immune system can't get to. When you activate the immune system to suppress it, you're giving it a lot of targets that it can use to make more of the damned virus. That's why we're stuck with anti-viral treatments to suppress the viruses spread, rather than to get the immune system to fight it.
Also, there is at least one herpes vaccine, namely the one for shingles (herpes zoster). So you'll have to qualify things a bit more if you want to say that.
Nobody knows if these vaccines will pan out until they're tested, though, that much is true. The damnable thing is that a lot of vaccines don't pan out, but we've got a bunch of different vaccines being tested, so hopefully one of them will pull through.
The first herpes zoster vaccine had about a 50% failure rate, so a second one was developed and marketed. That one has a significant risk of causing an active case of shingles. Let's hope the race to market a Corona vaccine doesn't work as well as that.
Incorrect. Hydroxychloroquine is also prophylactic for COVID-19.
Having a cure for HIV and herpes would be a miracle that any Pede who is on our team I believe would be extremely grateful for and a cure for those two would be far more helpful than this Chinese Flu that a person can cure/recover/survive from WITHOUT a vaccine nor any medicated cure; if those who caught the virus take the anti-malaria drug plus the other one that starts with an “a” (if the state did not ban it to hurt President Trump) they will recover very quickly.
That's the most interesting thing that's being glossed over... How effective? Which viruses? Are we talking therapy or cure?
I'm assuming you can leave off the antibiotic, just take the quinine and zinc. Cheap. Safe.
We could all volunteer on this and put up numbers pretty quick..
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240143162510893058.html
These are two long videos, but they are close to a graduate class in immunology and hold some pretty eye opening, even jaw-dropping facts.
I found these videos on Legal Insurrection: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation: “The Cure That Time Forgot”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/ultraviolet-blood-irradiation-the-cure-that-time-forgot/
The man speaking is a MD with specialty in Cardiology.
part 1 - https://youtu.be/TlnIK3MfkJM part 2 - https://youtu.be/C2L9GrGxO_Y
Sweden never locked down and they're projected to have herd immunity by August
Except there are some here spewing their nonsense.
Probably shills from Reddit
Define 'pro-vax'. I believe that they work and have been scientifically proven, but I don't want you to be forced to take them against your will and I think you should be given a respectful answer as to what we know and how we know it, rather than being censored or mocked.
Painting everyone into pro/anti camps tends to shut down discussion and creates more polarization and I hate to see that because some people have legitimate questions that deserve proper answers from people who actually explain their reasoning and back up their statements.
I absolutely hate the censorship on this because I know that propagandists are trying to pit us against each other when it shouldn't be that way.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Vaccine ID cards: required for public safety!
Voter ID cards: Das rayciss yooo!
Keep in mind, the SARS 2003 vaccines failed to even meet safety criteria for human trials, as the vaccine caused hypersensitivity reactions when exposed to virus. But suddenly we can get a safe version for SARS2 to human trials just like that?
They've been working on this since then, that's why they have something ready. But yeah, we won't know if this pans out until they try it.
Flu vaccine works only against certain strains of flu and the people that die from flu usually don't have the shot.
You can argue bodily autonomy. You can argue you don't want to risk the side effects. But arguing that vaccines don't work is dumb.
Small pox, mumps, measles, etc. These used to kill children like a scythe goes through a field. They work. They are efficient. You can choose not to take part.
Flu vaccine is useless. People still get sick after getting the vaccine, because there are many strains of the flu and they are all constantly mutating. The vaccines spread the flu more than they prevent the flu. The flu vaccine is an abject medical failure, but big pharma wont admit it. They want you getting your yearly injection of mercury and formaldehyde.
Do not use vaccines that are actually useful to justify a flu vaccine. They are two different things. Smallpox, mumps etc do not evolve quickly, vaccines last entire lifetimes and make a ton of sense. The flu vaccine is useless after a season (if that) and thus isn't a vaccine at all.
Haha why did you have to throw in mercury and formaldehyde in there? That destroys your whole point. You've obviously not researched it to determine that there are too many strains of the flu for a flu vaccine to be efficient. That would be some sort of argument at least.
No, you're just an anti-vaxxer that believes "big pharma" (scary companies!!!) wants to inject you with mercury because... reasons.
He just said there is useful vaccines and was only making a case for the flu vaccine, now you are calling him an anti-vaxxer? I would learn to read before trying to insult someone because it just makes you look that much more retarded.
Dude - Mercury and Formaldehyde are in the vaccines. Have you ever seen the ingredients? You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to know whats in the vaccines
Well....yeah if it is?
That 50% is part of a litany of things that keeps millions from contracting it. That + heard immunity + good hygiene + weak strains.
That breaks up the easy path it can take between populations.
The overall effectiveness of 2018-19 flu vaccine was only 29%. The vaccine for the 2014-15 flu was only 19% effective.
CDC data shows 9% vaccine effectiveness for influenza A, virus H3N2 flu shot last year
Actually 60-80% effective based on 2018 numbers. Because they can't predict the variants the flu will mutate into this year. One year they'll fuck up and have a really shitty batch of completely worthless trash and the other year it's a near perfect vaccines.
Flu is a special case. Guess what though. The measles vaccines is way better and nearly wiped out the disease until people stopped getting it.
Oh and before you bring up polio vaccines... using crappy attenuated oral vaccines because third world tribes fear needles and Bill Gates is evil doesn't mean polio wasn't eradicated in the West thanks to the superior inactivated injection polio vaccine by dr Salk.
Which he gave away instead of charging $1000 a pop. And the 1st year that pharma was involved a defective batch was distributed in California infecting 1000s, crippling hundreds, and killing 10 out of the 200k injections.
How does one prove a negative? That not getting the flu is proof that a vaccine is effective. Reminder that according to the CDC, efficacy rate was as low as 19% for 2014-2015. Most studies that use placebo as a base measurement have better % efficacy with placebo.
Same principal the China virus mitigation is based on. Healthy people have to stay under house-arrest to prevent people from dying. Another negative impossible to prove.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20190628/last-flu-seasons-vaccine-only-29-effective-cdc
CDC data shows 9% vaccine effectiveness for influenza A, virus H3N2 flu shot last year
I had a flu vaccine that gave me reactive arthritis within 5 hours of having the shot. I had to have my temporal artery biopsied to rule out giant cell arteritis. My neurosurgeon said I was his fifth patient with the same problem after getting a flu vaccine. I will never, ever get a vaccine again. The vaccines you are talking about were great in the day but now they are all tainted in some way. It's sick!
No they aren't tainted because 5 out of 50 million is not a causal effect. Anyway like I said, get it or don't. Not my problem, but don't pretend vaccines don't work.
Don’t pretend all vaccines are equal.
5? I had more than 5 in one season in one ER who had reactions ranging from high fever to Guillian Barre syndrome. I personally know someone who had a reactive arthritis but it was not reported because his doctor refused to believe a vaccine could cause harm.
How many go un reported because of physician's rigid thinking? They are willing to believe that meds can have severe side effects but not vaccines...go figure. Most dont even know that there are vaccines that were recalled due to serious adverse events.
SneakyWino's neurologist doesn't have 50 million patients.
We're not arguing against virus science. We know that if you expose a human to a dead virus sometimes that will lead to immunity and better health.
That doesn't make all vaccines absolutely great 100% of the time.
A vaccine is great. A vaccine that is spiked with lots of chemicals to induce cancer and inferitility in a deliberate effort to sabotage people for globalism is not great.
People have a choice if they want to inject aluminum, other heavy metals, and animal DNA fragments into their body. My body my choice.
I am not interested in WAITING on a vaccine. Open the country now. A vaccine could take weeks, months, or years...we can’t continue down this path or we will destroy what’s left of our country for a virus that the vast majority of people recover from.
Neither am I. Vaccine or no we open up. And after that when one comes available and after it reaches 90% efficiency with side effects I am willing to risk I am getting one.