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Hardpass on this shit. 60 years and we cant even have a cure for the herps or hiv and we are suppose to trust this in 12 months time? Also Fuck you Bill Gates and Fuck you Big Pharma.
Those are treatments when you're already sick. Ideally, enough people willingly get vaccinated so those who cannot or do not wish to never need to.
Not all viruses are equal, we don't know if we'll have a vaccine or not until it's tested because there's a lot that can make a vaccine not work. HIV is hard to vaccinate against because it infects the very cells that make up the immune response and it can hide in places the immune system can't get to. When you activate the immune system to suppress it, you're giving it a lot of targets that it can use to make more of the damned virus. That's why we're stuck with anti-viral treatments to suppress the viruses spread, rather than to get the immune system to fight it.
Also, there is at least one herpes vaccine, namely the one for shingles (herpes zoster). So you'll have to qualify things a bit more if you want to say that.
Nobody knows if these vaccines will pan out until they're tested, though, that much is true. The damnable thing is that a lot of vaccines don't pan out, but we've got a bunch of different vaccines being tested, so hopefully one of them will pull through.
The first herpes zoster vaccine had about a 50% failure rate, so a second one was developed and marketed. That one has a significant risk of causing an active case of shingles. Let's hope the race to market a Corona vaccine doesn't work as well as that.
Having a cure for HIV and herpes would be a miracle that any Pede who is on our team I believe would be extremely grateful for and a cure for those two would be far more helpful than this Chinese Flu that a person can cure/recover/survive from WITHOUT a vaccine nor any medicated cure; if those who caught the virus take the anti-malaria drug plus the other one that starts with an “a” (if the state did not ban it to hurt President Trump) they will recover very quickly.
There are three possibilities, and I hope someone will be able to answer this question. One is that azithromycin and HCQ taken together reach higher blood levels together than individually. Two is that azithromycin exerts its own antiviral effect, which is known in lab tests. Three is azithromycin clears another secondary infection, like mycoplasma. Just my guesses.
Define 'pro-vax'. I believe that they work and have been scientifically proven, but I don't want you to be forced to take them against your will and I think you should be given a respectful answer as to what we know and how we know it, rather than being censored or mocked.
Painting everyone into pro/anti camps tends to shut down discussion and creates more polarization and I hate to see that because some people have legitimate questions that deserve proper answers from people who actually explain their reasoning and back up their statements.
I absolutely hate the censorship on this because I know that propagandists are trying to pit us against each other when it shouldn't be that way.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Flu vaccine works only against certain strains of flu and the people that die from flu usually don't have the shot.
You can argue bodily autonomy. You can argue you don't want to risk the side effects. But arguing that vaccines don't work is dumb.
Small pox, mumps, measles, etc. These used to kill children like a scythe goes through a field. They work. They are efficient. You can choose not to take part.
Flu vaccine is useless. People still get sick after getting the vaccine, because there are many strains of the flu and they are all constantly mutating. The vaccines spread the flu more than they prevent the flu. The flu vaccine is an abject medical failure, but big pharma wont admit it. They want you getting your yearly injection of mercury and formaldehyde.
Do not use vaccines that are actually useful to justify a flu vaccine. They are two different things. Smallpox, mumps etc do not evolve quickly, vaccines last entire lifetimes and make a ton of sense. The flu vaccine is useless after a season (if that) and thus isn't a vaccine at all.
Haha why did you have to throw in mercury and formaldehyde in there? That destroys your whole point. You've obviously not researched it to determine that there are too many strains of the flu for a flu vaccine to be efficient. That would be some sort of argument at least.
No, you're just an anti-vaxxer that believes "big pharma" (scary companies!!!) wants to inject you with mercury because... reasons.
He just said there is useful vaccines and was only making a case for the flu vaccine, now you are calling him an anti-vaxxer? I would learn to read before trying to insult someone because it just makes you look that much more retarded.
Dude - Mercury and Formaldehyde are in the vaccines. Have you ever seen the ingredients? You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to know whats in the vaccines
You can request the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for any vaccine; they're required to have them on hand. They will list the ingredients. Mercury and Formaldehyde are used as preservatives in vaccines, or were.
formaldehyde was also in baby shampoo until a few years ago. The dose is what makes the toxicity, and it wasn't toxic at all in the doses it had. They still ended up removing it because of public backlash, but they were in safe quantities, just as you consume cyanide when you eat certain fruits and nuts, just not enough to be toxic. Same is the case here. Fwiw I don't get any vaccines other then the essential ones when I was a kid, but that wasn't the reason
If you mean thimerosal, it was used as a preservative but is avoided now purely due to PR considerations. If you mean something else, you'll have to give us the vaccine it's in, the specific compound and information on how much is in a dose before we can have any kind of informed discussion on the topic.
It really matters what compound you have something in. Sodium explodes in water, while chlorine is a poisonous gas. Together they make NaCl, or table salt, which is necessary for life. Even though it's necessary, it still has an LD50--too much salt will kill you, though you would find it very hard to accidentally consume such a quantity without something like salt pills.
Actually 60-80% effective based on 2018 numbers. Because they can't predict the variants the flu will mutate into this year. One year they'll fuck up and have a really shitty batch of completely worthless trash and the other year it's a near perfect vaccines.
Flu is a special case. Guess what though. The measles vaccines is way better and nearly wiped out the disease until people stopped getting it.
Oh and before you bring up polio vaccines... using crappy attenuated oral vaccines because third world tribes fear needles and Bill Gates is evil doesn't mean polio wasn't eradicated in the West thanks to the superior inactivated injection polio vaccine by dr Salk.
Which he gave away instead of charging $1000 a pop. And the 1st year that pharma was involved a defective batch was distributed in California infecting 1000s, crippling hundreds, and killing 10 out of the 200k injections.
How does one prove a negative? That not getting the flu is proof that a vaccine is effective. Reminder that according to the CDC, efficacy rate was as low as 19% for 2014-2015.
Most studies that use placebo as a base measurement have better % efficacy with placebo.
Same principal the China virus mitigation is based on. Healthy people have to stay under house-arrest to prevent people from dying. Another negative impossible to prove.
Good damn question. How do we know that those who dont contract the flu would have contracted it if they didnt get the shot?
About a third of my patients who tested positive for flu had the shot. What proof do we have that it ever works? If we had 90% immunity then I might buy it but 12 %?
I had a flu vaccine that gave me reactive arthritis within 5 hours of having the shot. I had to have my temporal artery biopsied to rule out giant cell arteritis. My neurosurgeon said I was his fifth patient with the same problem after getting a flu vaccine. I will never, ever get a vaccine again. The vaccines you are talking about were great in the day but now they are all tainted in some way. It's sick!
No they aren't tainted because 5 out of 50 million is not a causal effect. Anyway like I said, get it or don't. Not my problem, but don't pretend vaccines don't work.
5? I had more than 5 in one season in one ER who had reactions ranging from high fever to Guillian Barre syndrome. I personally know someone who had a reactive arthritis but it was not reported because his doctor refused to believe a vaccine could cause harm.
How many go un reported because of physician's rigid thinking? They are willing to believe that meds can have severe side effects but not vaccines...go figure. Most dont even know that there are vaccines that were recalled due to serious adverse events.
Obviously a fever, in the case of an attenuated and not inactivated vaccine, can be easily linked causally. Reactive arthritis becomes harder, because what you're essentially saying it "the flu antigens caused a immune reaction that targeted the joints" as in if you would have gotten the flu you would have gotten a reactive arthritis anyway because that is how you reacted to the flu shot, which has flu in it. On top of that other viruses could have infected you in the mean time and caused it.
The problem is that you see a vaccine as something entirely different from the virus. It isn't. It is just virus particles which cause all the disease you mentioned. Flu as a complication has.... reactive arthritis! As do many other diseases. You wanna know how many hundreds of babies I have seen who got the sniffles and then parents show up in a panic because they won't use one leg?
Quick x-ray to be sure. No fever. It still laughs and plays with my stethoscope. Go home, it'll be fine in a week.
Guillian barre can also happen from the flu! So again why I said 5 in millions isn't odd is because it isn't HIGHER than the normal rate we see reactive arthritis and Guillian Barre FROM normal respiratory infections SUCH AS THE FLU.
Like I said, always read side effects. If these are UNACCEPTABLE to you DO NOT USE A MEDICATION. However flu vaccines (and again depends on which type and batch) show a far lower incidence of adverse events than just getting the flu.
We're not arguing against virus science. We know that if you expose a human to a dead virus sometimes that will lead to immunity and better health.
That doesn't make all vaccines absolutely great 100% of the time.
A vaccine is great. A vaccine that is spiked with lots of chemicals to induce cancer and inferitility in a deliberate effort to sabotage people for globalism is not great.
People have a choice if they want to inject aluminum, other heavy metals, and animal DNA fragments into their body. My body my choice.
I am not interested in WAITING on a vaccine. Open the country now. A vaccine could take weeks, months, or years...we can’t continue down this path or we will destroy what’s left of our country for a virus that the vast majority of people recover from.
Neither am I. Vaccine or no we open up. And after that when one comes available and after it reaches 90% efficiency with side effects I am willing to risk I am getting one.
Doesn't matter if Trump signs off on it. I'm still not putting that shit in my body. You do not treat a highly mutatable virus with a vaccine. The flu vaccine is useless - this will be equally useless.
A vaccine is not a vaccine if you need to keep getting it. Which is exactly how Coronavirus "vaccines" operate. This isn't polio or smallpox. This is some bullshit that morphs every few months and makes vaccines useless.
Still sure as fuck not getting any Bill Gates vaccine injected into me, not when that guy talks about reducing the population by 15%.
When swine flu was a thing my parents refused to have me or my siblings get the vaccine that was being offered through my school. They said it was made too quickly. Never caught it.
With this Bill gates shit and the fact that numbers are being flubbed to push agendas about the Wuhan virus I'm much more skeptical.
When the fuck did this turn into an antivax website? Viruses are all very similar. The flu vaccine we get every year is just 6 separate common dead viruses. If I were to make an analog comparison, if you know how to kill a chicken then you know how to kill a duck. The vaccine just shows your body some dead viruses and then it becomes near immune to anything similar to it. The virus mutating is irrelevant as there's already 4000 strains of it. In fact there's about 700 different known human types of flu, never mind colds or coronaviruses or individual mutated strains of them.
This website is open to two sided debates. And welcomes rational thought.
You might appreciate this article.
*My name is Tetyana Obukhanych. I hold a PhD in Immunology. I am writing this letter to legislators in the hope that it will correct misperceptions about vaccines. Do unvaccinated children pose a higher threat to the public than the vaccinated? No.
Tetanus is not a contagious disease, 2. Hepatitis B is a blood-borne virus. It does not spread in a community setting, especially among young children who are unlikely to engage in high-risk behaviors, such as needle sharing or sex. 3. Influenzae vaccine sole intention is to reduce symptomatic and asymptomatic (disease-less) hib carriage, the introduction of the Hib vaccine has inadvertently shifted strain dominance towards other types of H. influenzae (types A through F).These types have been causing invasive disease of high severity and increasing incidence in adults in the era of Hib vaccination of children. The general population is more vulnerable to the invasive disease now than it was prior to the start of the Hib vaccination campaign.
I am not in the danger group nor am around anyone who is. So they can enjoy this rushed to market vaccine. According to the antibody studies most adults have a 99.8% chance of survival so waiting for a vaccine is not worth the damage it is creating.
That's not being anti-vax, which every child and adult I know is fully vaccinated.
You always have a choice. No one will ever force you to get a vaccine. That being said I think you’re incredibly stupid if you don’t choose to protect yourself against life threatening diseases. Anti-vaxxers are on the same plane as flat earthers.
This site has been full retard on corona virus for weeks now. Just because liberals are full retard in that other direction doesn't mean we have to be full retard in the opposite direction. There is no place for sanity anymore.
Vaccines via needles but they aren't always via needles. Before that you basically just ate part of something infected, then you'd only get the disease a little which resulted in you surviving and being immune. It would always be watered down, like a skin flake diluted several times. Over time you'd eat many of them to build an immunity. These were the precursor to the modern vaccines.
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.
the definition doesn't even require the use of a needle.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Where is everyone getting the idea that they’ll be forced against their will to get a vaccine? When has that ever happened? It’s dumb to even entertain the thought and it’s a waste of everyone’s time.
It’s not a difference of opinion when it negatively effects people around you. Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions in human history and have eradicated countless killer diseases.
Anti-vaxxers are in the same realm as flat earthers.
Because rushed vaccines historically have a history of neurological damage, paralysis, steriliation, and death. The original swine flu vaccine, decades ago, was completely abandoned and memory holed after it fucked up more people than the original virus did. And vaccine companies like the Gates Foundation have decades of history damaging and killing people with their charitable nonFDA approved vaccines.
It's a gamble, to be truthful. First generation of a vaccine? Hell no. Second or third and maybe they'll have a safer variant. So far, the vaccine they're tested in the UK has killed one and put four others in critical condition.
Literally no one will ever force you to get a fucking vaccine. You’re just making it more difficult to eradicate and will likely contribute to its spread down the road.
You clearly have no idea what the numbers are required for herd immunity, you probably just heard the phrase mentioned here and there and assume its solid science. Also you have no idea if the "antivaxxers" will be large enough to defeat herd immunity. But hey, the propaganda is easy to repeat and it's fun to hate.
I've never gotten a flu shot. I've had the flu before. It's unpleasant, but I'd rather go through getting the flu than be marked by a eugenicist maniac who wants to reduce the human population, and also wants to force me to take his own patented vaccine.
Just because he's trying to force his shit product on the world that also requires an annual subscription and doesn't have any reliability or warranty and is just as likely to give you a virus or just fuck you up on its own... Wait a minute, getting deja Vu....
I had the flu shot once. I didn't get it, but everyone else in my family who had the shot got the flu. I have only had the flu once in my adult life, and that has been many years ago at this point. In fact, I rarely get sick, not even with a cold.
Incurable and life threatening diseases that have been around for decades? Sure. A virus with a mortality rate of 0.03 and dropping fast? If you have a compromised immune system, sure. Baby, sure. Once it's developed and safe.
But rushed vaccines like this have a horrible history of harming many people in their initial generations. Paralysis, neurological damage, sterility, and death. The original swing flu started In a military base, killed several soldiers who were pushing themselves beyond their doctor's orders. The vaccine they developed paralyzed and killed more than the original swine flu did and was quickly abandoned and forgotten about.
And what about "the smallpox vaccine is going to wear off and we'll all need new ones" that was going around during Bush Jr's presidency? What happened to that story? The vaccine went south, killed too many people, and was memory holed like the original swine flu vax, and many others.
You can't compare these to the polio and measles vax we get as kids. Rushed vaccines are horribly risky initially. Examples like the ones above are exactly why any talk of mandatory vaccines is often me with "Fuck off".
I'm all for vaccines but not from a guy that preaches depopulation and killing off half of the people, who sterilized people in Kenya and uses Africa and India as basically his immoral testing grounds of drugs that paralyze and kill people. GTFO of here shill
Look, the flu vaccine has existed for a while. People get them. My wife gets them, for whatever reason. I've always made the decision that I'd rather catch something and fight it off than go in and take a shot that may or may not work. I'll take my chances with Flu, and I'll take my chances with Coronavirus. A few years ago, I caught the flu in an airport. I was pretty miserable for a week, and stuck myself at home for two. My wife tells me now I need my flu shot, and I'm still not interested. I'd rather have the flu. I just don't find it necessary to go pay to have a shot that may not even work (or may even give me the flu, from what I've heard and read) when I'm healthy and the flu just jacks me up for a couple weeks. It's a medical decision - I'm deciding not to fund pharma companies for "what-ifs". I don't care about what ifs. I'm a busy guy. I don't care.
The problem is, they've convinced people hardcore that making this choice makes you akin to a monster. Because you may carry it and unknowingly infect others. Which is hilarious, because people carry the flu and KNOW it and infect others all the time, and no one ever said shit.
Mandatory vaccine means war. It's just a line of freedom I'm not willing to cross. I'm not anti-vax, I'm just pro-choice when it comes to what medical procedures I partake in. It's that simple.
The sad reality is they probably won't even have to mandate a vaccine - if one arrives, people will line up in droves to show how heroic they are for getting one, and they'll shame those who openly do not. They'll demand laws to "out" those who didn't get it, and they'll demand it be mandated. The people will do the work of the elites, for invisible brownie points.
Lol I'm not scared, I'm ready to rip throats out with my bare hands. These faggots want you to be scared. They're scared that you'll fight. Be willing to fight. Make it known that you'll fight. And when they show up to nab you for saying you're willing to fight - FIGHT.
Just make a saline solution available then, no one will know the difference, and all the leftists will have something to virtue signal about when they rush to inject it.
fuck a vaccine. This shit is nothing. I was the biggest proponent of the shut downs. Often arguing with other pedes here about it. Now we have more information. This virus is the same or less than the flu. It's time to end the shut down and let herd immunity take effect.
It's funny how this struck a nerve with some people here. Calling others anti vaxxer is on the same level of saying ok boomer, racist, nazi, sexist, all the phobes, etc.
Yeah, how dare we tell people that their conspiracy bullshit conflict with reality. Afterall, what have vaccine eradicated? Certainly not polio, smallpox, and measles.
Who cares that morons who are antivaxx get their own children unnecessarily killed? Well, me for starters, and I would think most of the pro-life people.
If you care so much, go find the unvaccinated people and convince them, or maybe you just want an authoritarian government to do it for you while you complain on the internet.
Just went through your post history. Funny you were getting downvoted over a difference of opinion.
Given that people are apparently really touchy over criticisms relating to any potential vaccination for SARS-CoV-2, it's kind of amusing to me. So, have an upvote.
(I'm absolutely supportive of a vaccine, but the plurality of evidence strongly indicates one for SARS-family viruses will never materialize and it's an open question whether it'll be safe.)
I don't want the government to do anything. I am finding antivaxxers (people right in this post) and I am arguing with them to convince them to vaccinate their kids.
In 8 months the short time scale? It wont matter America will be broke and in the middle of the deepest depression in its history. The rest of the world government will be broke.
No one will care about a virus by then. Even if it's still around. People will be more worried about finding food and somewhere to sleep for the night.
If America isnt back to work by June. Then the shit will hit the fan in the markets (I mean really hit the fan). Currency markets will crash as it finally hits home that America will have no money left.
Something these "experts" are not even paid to think about. Trump needs to pull himself away from them before America sinks into the shit.
This. Best case it will work on one or two strain. Why risk it when the disease itself doesn't do anything to most people. It's not even as bad as a cold for a huge percentage of the population.
Im gonna go on record and say that chynavirus will be long gone naturally before the vaccine exists. Fauci already told us thats what happened with sars. "Mitigation worked and we didnt need the vaccine" They ran out of money because there was noone with the virus to vaccinate. Same will happen here.
With everything I've seen from the medical community as of late, and seeing how compromised they are and how willingly they are to push science aside for an agenda, I'm not letting them touch me with a needle for years.
And I like vaccines. I'm pro vaccine.
But not from fucking psychos.
Unless I can confirm every single person who worked on the Vaccine is MAGA, that's the only way I'd take one.
For all you pro-vax people: the question is not whether or not vaccines work, imo. The question is whether the chance of them working is the worth chance of being harmed by them.
Can you be genetically predisposed to have severe reactions to certain things, like tree nuts, strawberries, or tobacco? Yes. Can you have the same predisposition to metals or heavy metals? Yes.
But do we use genetic screening to check for these things before we inject them into our kids bodies? No.
I definitely don't want my kids to get polio, or measles, or diphtheria. I also don't want them to be injured by the supposed cure.
My son has a specific sort of mutation on a gene that affects the body's ability to process heavy metals. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury, a heavy metal. They say it's in small enough doses in the ethylated form to be safe because it's excreted from the body in a quick enough time. But what if your body can't excrete it fast enough? What if the compounding effects of receiving multiple vaccines in a short time period overwhelms the body's ability to process it?
It's a damn hard question and I think it's worth discussing. No one wants their kids to be sick if they don't have to be. And no one wants to harm their kids when they're trying to help them.
I'm starting to get worried Trump is being bamboozled by the bigPharma/CDC/Gates/Fauci cadre. Maybe he's a step ahead of them I hope, but Trump is no doctor or virologist. The obvious best treatment is the hCQ+zinc+zithromax if needed.
This may be an unpopular idea here but I think the profit motivated US health care system wants to persue more expensive alternative therapies like vents, novel anti-virals, and novel vaccines because there is big money there, but not with a 60 year old generic nickel/dose anti-malarial and some zinc tabs. The socialist system has a motive to keep costs down, so they will go with the proper treatment in this case. It is my understanding that outside the USA everyone is using hCQ.
We need to take away the zero legal liability put there in the 80's, then see if they want to give us a vaccine that we can sue in case you or your kid becomes autistic or worse dies.
Maybe a lot of people don't know about this, but Bill Gates himself bragged that he talked President Trump out of forming a committee to investigate the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
The president was supposed to form this committee with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, who has been very vocal about dangerous side effects (and despises Bill Gates -- for good reason)
Since it was just signed late last year, it would be too soon to know what their investigation has shown. Maybe you are unaware that scientific investigation doesn't happen overnight?
Ok, you're just being disingenuous now. If a committee were formed to look into something it would be newsworthy and not require years of double-blind studies.
Deep State holding governments hostage with the threat of even more destructive bioweapons? They just flexed their power big time with this one, and its comparatively mild to what might be next. Unsettling.
Spare me. Haven't seen POTUS "bamboozled" since he became President. The likelihood that he is not completely aware of what Fauci, Birx, Gates and the CDC are up to is exactly ZERO.
Hardpass on this shit. 60 years and we cant even have a cure for the herps or hiv and we are suppose to trust this in 12 months time? Also Fuck you Bill Gates and Fuck you Big Pharma.
I'm calling fake news on this. Trump knows the cure - hydroxychloroquine or UV light. There is zero need for a vaccine.
And likely Zero chance of an effective vaccine in any case.
Still waiting for someone to show me evidence of a corona-virus vaccine that works.
They are about 9 month's away from approval. If you need to be vaccinated. Make sure to get that one.
Other than that, let the leftist take this...since they are unable to know what 'personal space is'.
Respitory viruses will be very difficult to vaccinate against. That's why SARs and H1N1 don't have one.
also vitamine C in large doses and vitamine D(onald)
Those are treatments when you're already sick. Ideally, enough people willingly get vaccinated so those who cannot or do not wish to never need to.
Not all viruses are equal, we don't know if we'll have a vaccine or not until it's tested because there's a lot that can make a vaccine not work. HIV is hard to vaccinate against because it infects the very cells that make up the immune response and it can hide in places the immune system can't get to. When you activate the immune system to suppress it, you're giving it a lot of targets that it can use to make more of the damned virus. That's why we're stuck with anti-viral treatments to suppress the viruses spread, rather than to get the immune system to fight it.
Also, there is at least one herpes vaccine, namely the one for shingles (herpes zoster). So you'll have to qualify things a bit more if you want to say that.
Nobody knows if these vaccines will pan out until they're tested, though, that much is true. The damnable thing is that a lot of vaccines don't pan out, but we've got a bunch of different vaccines being tested, so hopefully one of them will pull through.
The first herpes zoster vaccine had about a 50% failure rate, so a second one was developed and marketed. That one has a significant risk of causing an active case of shingles. Let's hope the race to market a Corona vaccine doesn't work as well as that.
So if gates wants more people like me is mine going to be laced with fertility drugs?
Incorrect. Hydroxychloroquine is also prophylactic for COVID-19.
Having a cure for HIV and herpes would be a miracle that any Pede who is on our team I believe would be extremely grateful for and a cure for those two would be far more helpful than this Chinese Flu that a person can cure/recover/survive from WITHOUT a vaccine nor any medicated cure; if those who caught the virus take the anti-malaria drug plus the other one that starts with an “a” (if the state did not ban it to hurt President Trump) they will recover very quickly.
That's the most interesting thing that's being glossed over... How effective? Which viruses? Are we talking therapy or cure?
I'm assuming you can leave off the antibiotic, just take the quinine and zinc. Cheap. Safe.
We could all volunteer on this and put up numbers pretty quick..
The antibiotic seems to help against secondary infections when the patient is weak.
There are three possibilities, and I hope someone will be able to answer this question. One is that azithromycin and HCQ taken together reach higher blood levels together than individually. Two is that azithromycin exerts its own antiviral effect, which is known in lab tests. Three is azithromycin clears another secondary infection, like mycoplasma. Just my guesses.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240143162510893058.html
These are two long videos, but they are close to a graduate class in immunology and hold some pretty eye opening, even jaw-dropping facts.
I found these videos on Legal Insurrection: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation: “The Cure That Time Forgot”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/ultraviolet-blood-irradiation-the-cure-that-time-forgot/
The man speaking is a MD with specialty in Cardiology.
part 1 - https://youtu.be/TlnIK3MfkJM part 2 - https://youtu.be/C2L9GrGxO_Y
Sweden never locked down and they're projected to have herd immunity by August
Except there are some here spewing their nonsense.
Probably shills from Reddit
Define 'pro-vax'. I believe that they work and have been scientifically proven, but I don't want you to be forced to take them against your will and I think you should be given a respectful answer as to what we know and how we know it, rather than being censored or mocked.
Painting everyone into pro/anti camps tends to shut down discussion and creates more polarization and I hate to see that because some people have legitimate questions that deserve proper answers from people who actually explain their reasoning and back up their statements.
I absolutely hate the censorship on this because I know that propagandists are trying to pit us against each other when it shouldn't be that way.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Vaccine ID cards: required for public safety!
Voter ID cards: Das rayciss yooo!
Keep in mind, the SARS 2003 vaccines failed to even meet safety criteria for human trials, as the vaccine caused hypersensitivity reactions when exposed to virus. But suddenly we can get a safe version for SARS2 to human trials just like that?
They've been working on this since then, that's why they have something ready. But yeah, we won't know if this pans out until they try it.
Flu vaccine works only against certain strains of flu and the people that die from flu usually don't have the shot.
You can argue bodily autonomy. You can argue you don't want to risk the side effects. But arguing that vaccines don't work is dumb.
Small pox, mumps, measles, etc. These used to kill children like a scythe goes through a field. They work. They are efficient. You can choose not to take part.
Flu vaccine is useless. People still get sick after getting the vaccine, because there are many strains of the flu and they are all constantly mutating. The vaccines spread the flu more than they prevent the flu. The flu vaccine is an abject medical failure, but big pharma wont admit it. They want you getting your yearly injection of mercury and formaldehyde.
Do not use vaccines that are actually useful to justify a flu vaccine. They are two different things. Smallpox, mumps etc do not evolve quickly, vaccines last entire lifetimes and make a ton of sense. The flu vaccine is useless after a season (if that) and thus isn't a vaccine at all.
Haha why did you have to throw in mercury and formaldehyde in there? That destroys your whole point. You've obviously not researched it to determine that there are too many strains of the flu for a flu vaccine to be efficient. That would be some sort of argument at least.
No, you're just an anti-vaxxer that believes "big pharma" (scary companies!!!) wants to inject you with mercury because... reasons.
He just said there is useful vaccines and was only making a case for the flu vaccine, now you are calling him an anti-vaxxer? I would learn to read before trying to insult someone because it just makes you look that much more retarded.
No he didn't say that.
He said "big pharma" wants to inject you with mercury. That's from the retarded anti-vaxxer playbook.
"Do not use vaccines that are actually useful to justify a flu vaccine."
Literally right there he said it. It cannot be anymore obvious.
And big pharma wants to pump you full of mercury because...?
Dude - Mercury and Formaldehyde are in the vaccines. Have you ever seen the ingredients? You don't have to be an anti-vaxxer to know whats in the vaccines
You can request the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for any vaccine; they're required to have them on hand. They will list the ingredients. Mercury and Formaldehyde are used as preservatives in vaccines, or were.
formaldehyde was also in baby shampoo until a few years ago. The dose is what makes the toxicity, and it wasn't toxic at all in the doses it had. They still ended up removing it because of public backlash, but they were in safe quantities, just as you consume cyanide when you eat certain fruits and nuts, just not enough to be toxic. Same is the case here. Fwiw I don't get any vaccines other then the essential ones when I was a kid, but that wasn't the reason
Isnt dosing the main argument people use though? Saying that too many vaccines all at once can cause issues.
And........? What's bad about it? Why do they want an excuse to put mercury in our bodies? Go on, spell it out.
What’s good about it? Why is it in there to begin with?
If you mean thimerosal, it was used as a preservative but is avoided now purely due to PR considerations. If you mean something else, you'll have to give us the vaccine it's in, the specific compound and information on how much is in a dose before we can have any kind of informed discussion on the topic.
It really matters what compound you have something in. Sodium explodes in water, while chlorine is a poisonous gas. Together they make NaCl, or table salt, which is necessary for life. Even though it's necessary, it still has an LD50--too much salt will kill you, though you would find it very hard to accidentally consume such a quantity without something like salt pills.
I don't know. It's probably easy to find out. Why assume it's bad?
I don't think it's even that high. They said the last flu shot from the 2019/2020 season was only 12% effective. Twelve.
Well....yeah if it is?
That 50% is part of a litany of things that keeps millions from contracting it. That + heard immunity + good hygiene + weak strains.
That breaks up the easy path it can take between populations.
The overall effectiveness of 2018-19 flu vaccine was only 29%. The vaccine for the 2014-15 flu was only 19% effective.
CDC data shows 9% vaccine effectiveness for influenza A, virus H3N2 flu shot last year
Actually 60-80% effective based on 2018 numbers. Because they can't predict the variants the flu will mutate into this year. One year they'll fuck up and have a really shitty batch of completely worthless trash and the other year it's a near perfect vaccines.
Flu is a special case. Guess what though. The measles vaccines is way better and nearly wiped out the disease until people stopped getting it.
Oh and before you bring up polio vaccines... using crappy attenuated oral vaccines because third world tribes fear needles and Bill Gates is evil doesn't mean polio wasn't eradicated in the West thanks to the superior inactivated injection polio vaccine by dr Salk.
Which he gave away instead of charging $1000 a pop. And the 1st year that pharma was involved a defective batch was distributed in California infecting 1000s, crippling hundreds, and killing 10 out of the 200k injections.
How does one prove a negative? That not getting the flu is proof that a vaccine is effective. Reminder that according to the CDC, efficacy rate was as low as 19% for 2014-2015. Most studies that use placebo as a base measurement have better % efficacy with placebo.
Same principal the China virus mitigation is based on. Healthy people have to stay under house-arrest to prevent people from dying. Another negative impossible to prove.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20190628/last-flu-seasons-vaccine-only-29-effective-cdc
CDC data shows 9% vaccine effectiveness for influenza A, virus H3N2 flu shot last year
How do you prove a negative?
Good damn question. How do we know that those who dont contract the flu would have contracted it if they didnt get the shot?
About a third of my patients who tested positive for flu had the shot. What proof do we have that it ever works? If we had 90% immunity then I might buy it but 12 %?
I had a flu vaccine that gave me reactive arthritis within 5 hours of having the shot. I had to have my temporal artery biopsied to rule out giant cell arteritis. My neurosurgeon said I was his fifth patient with the same problem after getting a flu vaccine. I will never, ever get a vaccine again. The vaccines you are talking about were great in the day but now they are all tainted in some way. It's sick!
No they aren't tainted because 5 out of 50 million is not a causal effect. Anyway like I said, get it or don't. Not my problem, but don't pretend vaccines don't work.
Don’t pretend all vaccines are equal.
vaccine diversity!
5? I had more than 5 in one season in one ER who had reactions ranging from high fever to Guillian Barre syndrome. I personally know someone who had a reactive arthritis but it was not reported because his doctor refused to believe a vaccine could cause harm.
How many go un reported because of physician's rigid thinking? They are willing to believe that meds can have severe side effects but not vaccines...go figure. Most dont even know that there are vaccines that were recalled due to serious adverse events.
Go back far enough and there were vaccines that could cause gran mal seizures and brain damage so severe as to inflict life long cerebral palsy.
How do I know this? Ask my brother...except he can't speak to answer.
Obviously a fever, in the case of an attenuated and not inactivated vaccine, can be easily linked causally. Reactive arthritis becomes harder, because what you're essentially saying it "the flu antigens caused a immune reaction that targeted the joints" as in if you would have gotten the flu you would have gotten a reactive arthritis anyway because that is how you reacted to the flu shot, which has flu in it. On top of that other viruses could have infected you in the mean time and caused it.
The problem is that you see a vaccine as something entirely different from the virus. It isn't. It is just virus particles which cause all the disease you mentioned. Flu as a complication has.... reactive arthritis! As do many other diseases. You wanna know how many hundreds of babies I have seen who got the sniffles and then parents show up in a panic because they won't use one leg?
Quick x-ray to be sure. No fever. It still laughs and plays with my stethoscope. Go home, it'll be fine in a week.
Guillian barre can also happen from the flu! So again why I said 5 in millions isn't odd is because it isn't HIGHER than the normal rate we see reactive arthritis and Guillian Barre FROM normal respiratory infections SUCH AS THE FLU.
Like I said, always read side effects. If these are UNACCEPTABLE to you DO NOT USE A MEDICATION. However flu vaccines (and again depends on which type and batch) show a far lower incidence of adverse events than just getting the flu.
SneakyWino's neurologist doesn't have 50 million patients.
We're not arguing against virus science. We know that if you expose a human to a dead virus sometimes that will lead to immunity and better health.
That doesn't make all vaccines absolutely great 100% of the time.
A vaccine is great. A vaccine that is spiked with lots of chemicals to induce cancer and inferitility in a deliberate effort to sabotage people for globalism is not great.
People have a choice if they want to inject aluminum, other heavy metals, and animal DNA fragments into their body. My body my choice.
I am not interested in WAITING on a vaccine. Open the country now. A vaccine could take weeks, months, or years...we can’t continue down this path or we will destroy what’s left of our country for a virus that the vast majority of people recover from.
Neither am I. Vaccine or no we open up. And after that when one comes available and after it reaches 90% efficiency with side effects I am willing to risk I am getting one.
Doesn't matter if Trump signs off on it. I'm still not putting that shit in my body. You do not treat a highly mutatable virus with a vaccine. The flu vaccine is useless - this will be equally useless.
A vaccine is not a vaccine if you need to keep getting it. Which is exactly how Coronavirus "vaccines" operate. This isn't polio or smallpox. This is some bullshit that morphs every few months and makes vaccines useless.
I'm not antivax. I am vaccinated.
Still sure as fuck not getting any Bill Gates vaccine injected into me, not when that guy talks about reducing the population by 15%.
When swine flu was a thing my parents refused to have me or my siblings get the vaccine that was being offered through my school. They said it was made too quickly. Never caught it.
With this Bill gates shit and the fact that numbers are being flubbed to push agendas about the Wuhan virus I'm much more skeptical.
When the fuck did this turn into an antivax website? Viruses are all very similar. The flu vaccine we get every year is just 6 separate common dead viruses. If I were to make an analog comparison, if you know how to kill a chicken then you know how to kill a duck. The vaccine just shows your body some dead viruses and then it becomes near immune to anything similar to it. The virus mutating is irrelevant as there's already 4000 strains of it. In fact there's about 700 different known human types of flu, never mind colds or coronaviruses or individual mutated strains of them.
This website is open to two sided debates. And welcomes rational thought.
You might appreciate this article. *My name is Tetyana Obukhanych. I hold a PhD in Immunology. I am writing this letter to legislators in the hope that it will correct misperceptions about vaccines. Do unvaccinated children pose a higher threat to the public than the vaccinated? No.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccine-legislation-discrimination-against-unvaccinated-children-unwarranted-no-public-health-risk-dr-obukhanych-ph-d-in-immunology/5447672
I am not in the danger group nor am around anyone who is. So they can enjoy this rushed to market vaccine. According to the antibody studies most adults have a 99.8% chance of survival so waiting for a vaccine is not worth the damage it is creating.
That's not being anti-vax, which every child and adult I know is fully vaccinated.
Vaccines don't work period. They mutate all the time. The latest vaccine works for that instance of the mutation.
It's the cool thing to say when you are on the right.
Then IRL, most of these guys gladly get their flu shots, or any other shots.
Mind you, these same guys will blow their stacks over people coming into the U.S. with sicknesses that have been all but eradicated by vaccine shots.
Without getting into a huge debate here, it's about the choice.
You always have a choice. No one will ever force you to get a vaccine. That being said I think you’re incredibly stupid if you don’t choose to protect yourself against life threatening diseases. Anti-vaxxers are on the same plane as flat earthers.
This site has been full retard on corona virus for weeks now. Just because liberals are full retard in that other direction doesn't mean we have to be full retard in the opposite direction. There is no place for sanity anymore.
Your username is literally a reference to child porn.
lol seriously
Virus is a nothingburger
Vaccines have worked for 200 years. Do people not know this?
First vaccine was created in the 1930s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
Vaccines via needles but they aren't always via needles. Before that you basically just ate part of something infected, then you'd only get the disease a little which resulted in you surviving and being immune. It would always be watered down, like a skin flake diluted several times. Over time you'd eat many of them to build an immunity. These were the precursor to the modern vaccines.
the definition doesn't even require the use of a needle.
To satisfy the sheep? My family will not be taking a wuhan vaccine.
I view it as the same as flu shots they have. Let people who want to take it take it. As long as it's not mandatory and none of the stupid vacine ID cards are needed, it's okay imo. This might be useful for people with pre-existing conditions and elders.
Where is everyone getting the idea that they’ll be forced against their will to get a vaccine? When has that ever happened? It’s dumb to even entertain the thought and it’s a waste of everyone’s time.
I never said I was anti vax. I said we wouldnt be taking some quickly made wuhan vax that Bill Gates prob already has ready. Fuck him
That's cute. I love my president...
But I am not getting that vaccine
No vaccines for me either.
Thank you, that is correct.
It’s not a difference of opinion when it negatively effects people around you. Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions in human history and have eradicated countless killer diseases.
Anti-vaxxers are in the same realm as flat earthers.
Shill/redditor/trill detected lmao
Lol it’s funny because I made a comment yesterday about how shill is basically the NPC response here when you can’t form a proper argument.
'Operation Guinea Pig'
No way I take a vaccine recommended by the same gummint that shut down the country for the fucking sniffles.
Fuck you, gummint. I'll take my chances with the flu (get it, get rest, take Nyquil, get rid of it) like every other year.
BAD. This program is crap.
Hmm.
How many coronavirus vaccines have we ever managed to make?
I'll go with NONE.
It's not necessary anyway. HERD IMMUNITY.
This ☝☝
Because billionaire "philanthropists" are clamoring for a vaccine.
This sub has gone completely off the deep end with this thing. I can’t associate myself with anti-vaxxers. I can’t take anyone seriously here anymore.
Because rushed vaccines historically have a history of neurological damage, paralysis, steriliation, and death. The original swine flu vaccine, decades ago, was completely abandoned and memory holed after it fucked up more people than the original virus did. And vaccine companies like the Gates Foundation have decades of history damaging and killing people with their charitable nonFDA approved vaccines.
It's a gamble, to be truthful. First generation of a vaccine? Hell no. Second or third and maybe they'll have a safer variant. So far, the vaccine they're tested in the UK has killed one and put four others in critical condition.
Literally no one will ever force you to get a fucking vaccine. You’re just making it more difficult to eradicate and will likely contribute to its spread down the road.
You clearly have no idea what the numbers are required for herd immunity, you probably just heard the phrase mentioned here and there and assume its solid science. Also you have no idea if the "antivaxxers" will be large enough to defeat herd immunity. But hey, the propaganda is easy to repeat and it's fun to hate.
98% of people who are hospitalized recover. The actual recovery right is much higher than that.
We'll never know, because everything from heart attacks to car wrecks are coded Covid for those sweet, sweet gubmint gibs.
Does it have anything to do with Bill Gates? If so I'm not touching the stuff. I'm not Anti Vaxx butt I am anti Gates
I've never gotten a flu shot. I've had the flu before. It's unpleasant, but I'd rather go through getting the flu than be marked by a eugenicist maniac who wants to reduce the human population, and also wants to force me to take his own patented vaccine.
Just because he's trying to force his shit product on the world that also requires an annual subscription and doesn't have any reliability or warranty and is just as likely to give you a virus or just fuck you up on its own... Wait a minute, getting deja Vu....
I had the flu shot once. I didn't get it, but everyone else in my family who had the shot got the flu. I have only had the flu once in my adult life, and that has been many years ago at this point. In fact, I rarely get sick, not even with a cold.
I came here to ask this. He's not talking about the Mark of the Beast "vaccine" is he?
Cuz holy shit, NO!
Someone sounds like a Bill Gates shill. What makes him such a great guy?
Incurable and life threatening diseases that have been around for decades? Sure. A virus with a mortality rate of 0.03 and dropping fast? If you have a compromised immune system, sure. Baby, sure. Once it's developed and safe.
But rushed vaccines like this have a horrible history of harming many people in their initial generations. Paralysis, neurological damage, sterility, and death. The original swing flu started In a military base, killed several soldiers who were pushing themselves beyond their doctor's orders. The vaccine they developed paralyzed and killed more than the original swine flu did and was quickly abandoned and forgotten about.
And what about "the smallpox vaccine is going to wear off and we'll all need new ones" that was going around during Bush Jr's presidency? What happened to that story? The vaccine went south, killed too many people, and was memory holed like the original swine flu vax, and many others.
You can't compare these to the polio and measles vax we get as kids. Rushed vaccines are horribly risky initially. Examples like the ones above are exactly why any talk of mandatory vaccines is often me with "Fuck off".
I'm all for vaccines but not from a guy that preaches depopulation and killing off half of the people, who sterilized people in Kenya and uses Africa and India as basically his immoral testing grounds of drugs that paralyze and kill people. GTFO of here shill
I'm fine with a vaccine, unless it's mandatory.
Look, the flu vaccine has existed for a while. People get them. My wife gets them, for whatever reason. I've always made the decision that I'd rather catch something and fight it off than go in and take a shot that may or may not work. I'll take my chances with Flu, and I'll take my chances with Coronavirus. A few years ago, I caught the flu in an airport. I was pretty miserable for a week, and stuck myself at home for two. My wife tells me now I need my flu shot, and I'm still not interested. I'd rather have the flu. I just don't find it necessary to go pay to have a shot that may not even work (or may even give me the flu, from what I've heard and read) when I'm healthy and the flu just jacks me up for a couple weeks. It's a medical decision - I'm deciding not to fund pharma companies for "what-ifs". I don't care about what ifs. I'm a busy guy. I don't care.
The problem is, they've convinced people hardcore that making this choice makes you akin to a monster. Because you may carry it and unknowingly infect others. Which is hilarious, because people carry the flu and KNOW it and infect others all the time, and no one ever said shit.
Mandatory vaccine means war. It's just a line of freedom I'm not willing to cross. I'm not anti-vax, I'm just pro-choice when it comes to what medical procedures I partake in. It's that simple.
The sad reality is they probably won't even have to mandate a vaccine - if one arrives, people will line up in droves to show how heroic they are for getting one, and they'll shame those who openly do not. They'll demand laws to "out" those who didn't get it, and they'll demand it be mandated. The people will do the work of the elites, for invisible brownie points.
This vaccine will be law. I would go as far as to say all vaccines will be law in the coming years.
The 2020's are going to be a very scary time for all of us.
Lol I'm not scared, I'm ready to rip throats out with my bare hands. These faggots want you to be scared. They're scared that you'll fight. Be willing to fight. Make it known that you'll fight. And when they show up to nab you for saying you're willing to fight - FIGHT.
Hear hear!
No thanks.
There is no fucking way I’m taking that vaccine. No way.
not easy to convince, are we? :D
me neither. any vaccine ought to be optional.
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Yea no thanks, i'll take my chances
Rush a vaccine, great idea!
I hope somebody on trumps teams reads these.
Open up the economy.
The cure is getting worst than the pandemic
Having a vaccine tells people who want to stay home and collect muh socialism to BTFO.
Once a vaccine is out they don't have a soy leg to stand on.
Just make a saline solution available then, no one will know the difference, and all the leftists will have something to virtue signal about when they rush to inject it.
fuck a vaccine. This shit is nothing. I was the biggest proponent of the shut downs. Often arguing with other pedes here about it. Now we have more information. This virus is the same or less than the flu. It's time to end the shut down and let herd immunity take effect.
Not trying to blindly defend Trump but this seems like another 4D chess move, I feel like this is more of a "ok a vaccine is coming now stfu".
A 4d chess move like kept Fauci around and letting him speak publicly?
Operation “Warps Pede”
Is this what the idiot Left is waiting for (besides the Election) to open the country?
That's the current demand but you know it'll change once they get it.
"But now we need a social credit score for vaccines!"
I would have gone with ”Ludicrous Speed,” but this’ll do.
It's funny how this struck a nerve with some people here. Calling others anti vaxxer is on the same level of saying ok boomer, racist, nazi, sexist, all the phobes, etc.
Yeah, how dare we tell people that their conspiracy bullshit conflict with reality. Afterall, what have vaccine eradicated? Certainly not polio, smallpox, and measles.
Isn't the measles back in action?
In unvaccinated communities. It's also not really widespread and definetly not worldwide. Most importantly, most people are vaccinated and are immune.
Then who cares. Get something legit to whine about.
Who cares that morons who are antivaxx get their own children unnecessarily killed? Well, me for starters, and I would think most of the pro-life people.
If you care so much, go find the unvaccinated people and convince them, or maybe you just want an authoritarian government to do it for you while you complain on the internet.
Just went through your post history. Funny you were getting downvoted over a difference of opinion.
Given that people are apparently really touchy over criticisms relating to any potential vaccination for SARS-CoV-2, it's kind of amusing to me. So, have an upvote.
(I'm absolutely supportive of a vaccine, but the plurality of evidence strongly indicates one for SARS-family viruses will never materialize and it's an open question whether it'll be safe.)
I don't want the government to do anything. I am finding antivaxxers (people right in this post) and I am arguing with them to convince them to vaccinate their kids.
So in other words, the scam is still on. The rest is just noise.
CNN: Trump tells people to take speed!
LUDICROUS SPEED!!!
No thanks. Much like the flu or common cold it will just mutate, rendering any vaccine worthless in short order.
Quick question. If I inject my own head up my own ass will it cure Wuhan Flu? Asking for a fren.
Better chance of preventing the batflu than this vaccine.
So whatchyall gonna do if they force it to go back to work?
In 8 months the short time scale? It wont matter America will be broke and in the middle of the deepest depression in its history. The rest of the world government will be broke.
No one will care about a virus by then. Even if it's still around. People will be more worried about finding food and somewhere to sleep for the night.
If America isnt back to work by June. Then the shit will hit the fan in the markets (I mean really hit the fan). Currency markets will crash as it finally hits home that America will have no money left.
Something these "experts" are not even paid to think about. Trump needs to pull himself away from them before America sinks into the shit.
Start watering the Tree of Liberty.
Nah, nah, warp speed to slow. Bring that shit to LUDICROUS SPEED!
This. Best case it will work on one or two strain. Why risk it when the disease itself doesn't do anything to most people. It's not even as bad as a cold for a huge percentage of the population.
Im gonna go on record and say that chynavirus will be long gone naturally before the vaccine exists. Fauci already told us thats what happened with sars. "Mitigation worked and we didnt need the vaccine" They ran out of money because there was noone with the virus to vaccinate. Same will happen here.
This reminds me of:
KIRK: Scotty, I need warp speed in three minutes or we're all dead.
That and the Communist flavor of Star Trek make "Operation Warp Speed" an unfortunate naming choice.
With everything I've seen from the medical community as of late, and seeing how compromised they are and how willingly they are to push science aside for an agenda, I'm not letting them touch me with a needle for years.
And I like vaccines. I'm pro vaccine.
But not from fucking psychos.
Unless I can confirm every single person who worked on the Vaccine is MAGA, that's the only way I'd take one.
For all you pro-vax people: the question is not whether or not vaccines work, imo. The question is whether the chance of them working is the worth chance of being harmed by them.
Can you be genetically predisposed to have severe reactions to certain things, like tree nuts, strawberries, or tobacco? Yes. Can you have the same predisposition to metals or heavy metals? Yes.
But do we use genetic screening to check for these things before we inject them into our kids bodies? No.
I definitely don't want my kids to get polio, or measles, or diphtheria. I also don't want them to be injured by the supposed cure.
My son has a specific sort of mutation on a gene that affects the body's ability to process heavy metals. Thimerosal is ethyl mercury, a heavy metal. They say it's in small enough doses in the ethylated form to be safe because it's excreted from the body in a quick enough time. But what if your body can't excrete it fast enough? What if the compounding effects of receiving multiple vaccines in a short time period overwhelms the body's ability to process it?
It's a damn hard question and I think it's worth discussing. No one wants their kids to be sick if they don't have to be. And no one wants to harm their kids when they're trying to help them.
I'm starting to get worried Trump is being bamboozled by the bigPharma/CDC/Gates/Fauci cadre. Maybe he's a step ahead of them I hope, but Trump is no doctor or virologist. The obvious best treatment is the hCQ+zinc+zithromax if needed.
This may be an unpopular idea here but I think the profit motivated US health care system wants to persue more expensive alternative therapies like vents, novel anti-virals, and novel vaccines because there is big money there, but not with a 60 year old generic nickel/dose anti-malarial and some zinc tabs. The socialist system has a motive to keep costs down, so they will go with the proper treatment in this case. It is my understanding that outside the USA everyone is using hCQ.
We need to take away the zero legal liability put there in the 80's, then see if they want to give us a vaccine that we can sue in case you or your kid becomes autistic or worse dies.
Oh God, the autism BS!
That's a fair question. Upvoted.
Maybe a lot of people don't know about this, but Bill Gates himself bragged that he talked President Trump out of forming a committee to investigate the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
The president was supposed to form this committee with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, who has been very vocal about dangerous side effects (and despises Bill Gates -- for good reason)
Except the President signed an Executive Order last fall to do exactly that - investigate the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
What happened to that? Was it the same problem as when he ordered the Muslim Brotherhood out of the US and they just ignored his order?
Since it was just signed late last year, it would be too soon to know what their investigation has shown. Maybe you are unaware that scientific investigation doesn't happen overnight?
Ok, you're just being disingenuous now. If a committee were formed to look into something it would be newsworthy and not require years of double-blind studies.
It's a committee.
https://thedonald.win/p/FfWG2Hse/trumps-g20-call-with-imf-who-wor/
Deep State holding governments hostage with the threat of even more destructive bioweapons? They just flexed their power big time with this one, and its comparatively mild to what might be next. Unsettling.
Spare me. Haven't seen POTUS "bamboozled" since he became President. The likelihood that he is not completely aware of what Fauci, Birx, Gates and the CDC are up to is exactly ZERO.
I hope. Sometimes pedes need reassurance.
Yep, this website has been getting flooded with these antivaxx trolls. No idea what the source is.
I hope this gets George Takai's panties in a bunch.
Nope
LUDICROUS SPEED! GO!
100% Bill Gates is going to pump bat DNA into people.
They already did. They want the DNA that's inside you.
No thanks, but then again I work in healthcare so it will be mandatory if I want to earn a living.
Need a "Warp Speed" bot now!
Nope. Nope. Nope. I’ll let my body do it’s job and build up a healthy immune system.
Excellent. That oughta trigger that sulu faggot
FUCK NO!