Read my comment history if you can, I answered a similar question.
My guess is someone keeps calling on this lady so they are tired of telling her. That's probably why they come off as dicks.
Still, it's a waste of time, all the quarantine laws are a joke. They are releasing actual hardened criminals from custody but we're going to harrass some mom taking care of her kids?
We can't violate someone's rights unless we have a reason. You need suspicion or violation of a crime and all the potential crimes are laid out as codes. For example CA penal codes, health and safety codes, and vehicles codes. If you have a violation or in some cases suspicion of one then you can detain someone. The severity of the crime dictates how long or what happens during the detention. During the detention/investigation we might write someone a ticket, give them a warning, or make an arrest.
I'm not saying them being a dick is okay and I'm not justifying their attitude, I'm just saying there might be more to it. Maybe they deal with this lady alot, I don't know, I'm just guessing. Regardless they look really bad, but to be honest we are human, I have yelled at people sometimes when it wasn't warranted.
To answer your question, we can't just ignore someone unless they are abusing 911 or something similar. We represent everyone in the community, our main job is to keep the peace. We deal with disputes alot, lots of neighbors don't get along. Sometimes just talking to people solves the problem. If someone demands us to take action, for a theft, an assault, or a noise complaint which wasn't committed in our presence. We get as much info from all involved parties as possible and write a report. If the evidence points towards an obvious suspect we might write that guy a ticket. Then the report goes to the courts who handle the prosecution. That's when you have your right to a trial etc.
If I can't determine if their is a violation of law and you want a report I'll document it, I will explain to people that there is no violation but sometimes they don't care so we write a report to keep them happy. That's our policy, but many departments have different policy's.
Chyna virus is unique because it's a more political situation. I haven't enforced or heard of anyone enforcing quarantine here. I blew off a city official and basically did nothing when they complained. I didn't get in trouble but I guess it's a possibility.
if they want to arrest you they can knock the door down and arrest you(though they better have their ducks in a row, warrent or exigent circumstances). no law says you have to help them by opening the door or answering their questions.
Cops can detain you if they are investigating a crime or witnessed you commit a crime. Detention is considered the restriction of your free movement.
A vehicle stop for example is a detention. The cop observed you speeding and stopped you. You are not free to leave and he will conduct an investigation and maybe write a ticket. You might get a ticket or say he sees a kilo or drugs in the back seat, you might be arrested.
You can always respectfully ask a cop if your being detained during a contact. If he says no, then you don't have to say shit to him or do anything he says. If you are not detained then you don't even have to provide your name.
But be careful, because if you are detained then you have to provide your identity and comply with all reasonable directives. It is not uncommon for us to handcuff someone who is detained, then rule them out as a suspect and release them.
Alot of problems stem from people thinking they can do whatever they want. If police tell you to stop, that's a detention. Many people don't understand this and when they don't listen, we use force. Once we get to a level where we have to use force, now you are looking at a possible resisting a peace officer charge. Keep in mind I'm in California so laws might be different.
It's also not uncommon for dumb cops to overstep their authority. You should still comply even if you think they are wrong. If that happens you can file a complaint, talk to a supervisor, or consult an attorney to see if you have a case.
This is horse shit and I'm a cop. She should just ignore them and close the door.
Read my comment history if you can, I answered a similar question.
My guess is someone keeps calling on this lady so they are tired of telling her. That's probably why they come off as dicks.
Still, it's a waste of time, all the quarantine laws are a joke. They are releasing actual hardened criminals from custody but we're going to harrass some mom taking care of her kids?
We can't violate someone's rights unless we have a reason. You need suspicion or violation of a crime and all the potential crimes are laid out as codes. For example CA penal codes, health and safety codes, and vehicles codes. If you have a violation or in some cases suspicion of one then you can detain someone. The severity of the crime dictates how long or what happens during the detention. During the detention/investigation we might write someone a ticket, give them a warning, or make an arrest.
I'm not saying them being a dick is okay and I'm not justifying their attitude, I'm just saying there might be more to it. Maybe they deal with this lady alot, I don't know, I'm just guessing. Regardless they look really bad, but to be honest we are human, I have yelled at people sometimes when it wasn't warranted.
To answer your question, we can't just ignore someone unless they are abusing 911 or something similar. We represent everyone in the community, our main job is to keep the peace. We deal with disputes alot, lots of neighbors don't get along. Sometimes just talking to people solves the problem. If someone demands us to take action, for a theft, an assault, or a noise complaint which wasn't committed in our presence. We get as much info from all involved parties as possible and write a report. If the evidence points towards an obvious suspect we might write that guy a ticket. Then the report goes to the courts who handle the prosecution. That's when you have your right to a trial etc.
If I can't determine if their is a violation of law and you want a report I'll document it, I will explain to people that there is no violation but sometimes they don't care so we write a report to keep them happy. That's our policy, but many departments have different policy's.
Chyna virus is unique because it's a more political situation. I haven't enforced or heard of anyone enforcing quarantine here. I blew off a city official and basically did nothing when they complained. I didn't get in trouble but I guess it's a possibility.
Can she just do that? If the cops are at her door she can just shut the door on them? And then what would the protocol be for the cops?
if they want to arrest you they can knock the door down and arrest you(though they better have their ducks in a row, warrent or exigent circumstances). no law says you have to help them by opening the door or answering their questions.
We are a family that NEVER goes to our door. That doorbell rings and we just ignore it.
Cops can detain you if they are investigating a crime or witnessed you commit a crime. Detention is considered the restriction of your free movement.
A vehicle stop for example is a detention. The cop observed you speeding and stopped you. You are not free to leave and he will conduct an investigation and maybe write a ticket. You might get a ticket or say he sees a kilo or drugs in the back seat, you might be arrested.
You can always respectfully ask a cop if your being detained during a contact. If he says no, then you don't have to say shit to him or do anything he says. If you are not detained then you don't even have to provide your name.
But be careful, because if you are detained then you have to provide your identity and comply with all reasonable directives. It is not uncommon for us to handcuff someone who is detained, then rule them out as a suspect and release them.
Alot of problems stem from people thinking they can do whatever they want. If police tell you to stop, that's a detention. Many people don't understand this and when they don't listen, we use force. Once we get to a level where we have to use force, now you are looking at a possible resisting a peace officer charge. Keep in mind I'm in California so laws might be different.
It's also not uncommon for dumb cops to overstep their authority. You should still comply even if you think they are wrong. If that happens you can file a complaint, talk to a supervisor, or consult an attorney to see if you have a case.
This is good to know. Lots of info here, which I appreciate. Thank you! :)