It's misleading to only show absolute numbers and not complement that with the ratio. Idiots thinking Italy and USA are comparable.
Anyways if you use the numbers in that article it suggests that without a government enforced lockdown Sweden has pretty proportional rates of cases and deaths per capita to their neighbors.
Calculating deaths per number of cases is misleading because of the lack of testing as well as differences in testing between countries.
I don't think your title is what was actually said.
Ryan noted that instead of lockdowns, the country has “put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting people in long term care facilities.”
“What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate,” Ryan said. “In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.”
What he is saying is that the people of Sweden didn't need strict rules to be implemented because "sugestions" by the government is enough for them to act.
It’s worded like that because Sweden did not suffer a catastrophe but left their economy and schools mostly open. It is to dismiss the Swedish approach, which was pretty bold and relied on common sense of its citizens, as “shutdowns in all but name.”
Meanwhile Sweden has had more infections and deaths than, say, Norway, but is also closer to building herd immunity.
As long as hospitals don’t get overwhelmed, the deaths from coronavirus are going to happen sooner or later. You can ruin your economy with shutdowns and have the deaths occur later.
I agree with the Swedish approach but we won't know for quite a while which worked best as far as deaths. If it corona comes back for round 2 ( or 3) we will see.
I agree. Also the emergence of a truly useful therapeutic (yes I know HCQ is likely helpful but it’s not wholesale changing the game to date) would also mean delaying deaths was a good tactic from a public health sense. Sweden is just accepting its lumps earlier to get past things quicker. Ripping the bandaid off all at once rather than slowly stripping it off.
Does that difference with Norway stand when seen on a per capita basis? It didn't if I compared per capita deaths & cases between Sweden, Denmark and Finland.
Sweden is much worse than Norway in deaths per capita at this time - no question.
The real thing to follow will be whether the same is true in 6-8 months. Ignoring the effect of seasonality - admittedly potentially a big deal - Countries that locked down but which open up will likely experience higher baseline death rate over the next 6 months compared to Sweden since they just broadened out their curve by physical distancing and lockdowns.
It remains to be seen whether the numbers will be similar at that time. If so, a reasonable argument could be made that the harm done by shutting down accomplishes little aside from giving 1-6 more months to the infirm and elderly that this virus most affects. That’s not nothing, but a wrecked economy has its drawbacks as well.
IMO the jury is still out on which course was better. I’m glad other countries tried different approaches because we can learn pros and cons.
What a time to write this piece. Right as things are opening back up, numbers could increase (whether naturally or artificially) and fake news will just go “see! You’re all idiots and the only option now is more govt! Reeee I love contact tracing!”
If the WHO is saying this then social media has to ban people saying we need lockdowns because that goes against their guidance. That's how it works, right?
This is what happens when. Communists get in charge. They insist on incompetent diversity hires. I say defund the whole UN, kick their asses out of the US and then make the building a Trump hotel just to flip globalism the bird.
Fuck Sweden. We have our own model of viral hygiene. South Dakota. SD and it’s Governor did it right. Informed people of the risks but left it to their personal responsibility to mitigate that risk as they saw fit. Not lock everything down, destroy people’s livelihoods, and disregard their freedom.
The rhetoric game is great.
It's misleading to only show absolute numbers and not complement that with the ratio. Idiots thinking Italy and USA are comparable.
Anyways if you use the numbers in that article it suggests that without a government enforced lockdown Sweden has pretty proportional rates of cases and deaths per capita to their neighbors.
Calculating deaths per number of cases is misleading because of the lack of testing as well as differences in testing between countries.
I don't think your title is what was actually said.
What he is saying is that the people of Sweden didn't need strict rules to be implemented because "sugestions" by the government is enough for them to act.
It’s worded like that because Sweden did not suffer a catastrophe but left their economy and schools mostly open. It is to dismiss the Swedish approach, which was pretty bold and relied on common sense of its citizens, as “shutdowns in all but name.”
Meanwhile Sweden has had more infections and deaths than, say, Norway, but is also closer to building herd immunity.
As long as hospitals don’t get overwhelmed, the deaths from coronavirus are going to happen sooner or later. You can ruin your economy with shutdowns and have the deaths occur later.
I agree with the Swedish approach but we won't know for quite a while which worked best as far as deaths. If it corona comes back for round 2 ( or 3) we will see.
I agree. Also the emergence of a truly useful therapeutic (yes I know HCQ is likely helpful but it’s not wholesale changing the game to date) would also mean delaying deaths was a good tactic from a public health sense. Sweden is just accepting its lumps earlier to get past things quicker. Ripping the bandaid off all at once rather than slowly stripping it off.
Maybe there will be a round two, maybe not but it's got nothing on the Spanish flu and doesn't deserve the same response.
Does that difference with Norway stand when seen on a per capita basis? It didn't if I compared per capita deaths & cases between Sweden, Denmark and Finland.
Sweden is much worse than Norway in deaths per capita at this time - no question.
The real thing to follow will be whether the same is true in 6-8 months. Ignoring the effect of seasonality - admittedly potentially a big deal - Countries that locked down but which open up will likely experience higher baseline death rate over the next 6 months compared to Sweden since they just broadened out their curve by physical distancing and lockdowns.
It remains to be seen whether the numbers will be similar at that time. If so, a reasonable argument could be made that the harm done by shutting down accomplishes little aside from giving 1-6 more months to the infirm and elderly that this virus most affects. That’s not nothing, but a wrecked economy has its drawbacks as well.
IMO the jury is still out on which course was better. I’m glad other countries tried different approaches because we can learn pros and cons.
That's weird because that wasn't the case with denmark and finland. Ill have to look up norways stats.
Anyways norway aside it seems like sweden has pretty average numbers compared to the rest of the world.
What a time to write this piece. Right as things are opening back up, numbers could increase (whether naturally or artificially) and fake news will just go “see! You’re all idiots and the only option now is more govt! Reeee I love contact tracing!”
Bullshit they have no data to prove that. People have been out drinking in bars this whole time.
It's just a way to evade admitting that citizens could have decided to what degree they remained inside.
HONK
Ok well will YouTube put that doctor video back up then
If the WHO is saying this then social media has to ban people saying we need lockdowns because that goes against their guidance. That's how it works, right?
This is what happens when. Communists get in charge. They insist on incompetent diversity hires. I say defund the whole UN, kick their asses out of the US and then make the building a Trump hotel just to flip globalism the bird.
You'd think they'd be bright people, but they're not...
I was hoping the virus would fix the migrant problem. Nope.
Fuck Sweden. We have our own model of viral hygiene. South Dakota. SD and it’s Governor did it right. Informed people of the risks but left it to their personal responsibility to mitigate that risk as they saw fit. Not lock everything down, destroy people’s livelihoods, and disregard their freedom.