I don’t understand why so many on here hate on him so much. Whatever his personal politics are doesn’t really matter, he proves over and over that free markets are the only way to go. Tesla actually made the electric car viable by making it appealing and flashy. He’s been able to do things in rocket tech that government agencies could only dream of. Yeah he took government subsidies, but he didn’t make the subsidies and they were offering them, so he’d be stupid from a business standpoint to not take them. Would any of you not take a tax break and willingly pay more out of principle? Besides he’s the only electric car company that could possibly survive without them.
I think the subsidies thing is the reason why the people around here who hate on Elon hate him. Ultimately I'd say he's a pragmatist. The gov is handing out money, you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage not taking advantage of everything out there. It is possible, if not ideologically pure, to suckle on the government teet while strongly advocating for the government to remove their subsidies, and I think that's where people struggle.
I get that, but anybody on here who judges Elon for taking subsidies but cashed the $1200 check is being a bit hypocritical. Subsidies need to be stopped before they’re offered, because anyone not taking them is at a disadvantage. That’s why they’re called a perverse incentive.
The subsidies aren't given to tesla directly, it's given to buyers of the car.
Not the same at all. The stim check is the Government giving MY money back to me. The Tesla subsidy is taking MY money and giving it to someone whose buying a $100,000 luxury vehicle.
There is a difference - the gov shut down the place so I could provide for myself.
Then it shut down other places and after that companies put up a hiring freeze for months.
This is coming from a man that rode a bike in sub freezing temperatures because my car got wrecked by an illegal and my insurance (which had uninsured motorist) where faggots. The illegal got 9k and skipped the border, come to find out.
Did I complain then? Nope, got on with my life because I had to.
This was Trumps idea to keep The People affloat, so fuck off.
If this relief bill (again Trumps idea) wasn't passed you'd have 20-30 million homeless, right now.
It’s not a comparison, the point is if subsidies are offered ppl will take them, and would be stupid not to take them just on principle. The covid checks were obviously needed because of the Dem imposed lockdowns, that wasn’t the point.
On the one hand, sure. On the other, a car I don't need to change the oil in, put gas in, and only needs a battery replacement every ~10 years is a car I'd want regardless of how dumb green energy is. The reason for it's invention is stupid, but the car itself is quite nice and worthy of buying in its own right.
The news talks about this guy all the time, and my impression was generally positive in spite of, or maybe because most coverage is negative. Not shocked that this tidbit doesn't make the usual talks about him.
I don’t understand why so many on here hate on him so much. Whatever his personal politics are doesn’t really matter, he proves over and over that free markets are the only way to go. Tesla actually made the electric car viable by making it appealing and flashy. He’s been able to do things in rocket tech that government agencies could only dream of. Yeah he took government subsidies, but he didn’t make the subsidies and they were offering them, so he’d be stupid from a business standpoint to not take them. Would any of you not take a tax break and willingly pay more out of principle? Besides he’s the only electric car company that could possibly survive without them.
I think the subsidies thing is the reason why the people around here who hate on Elon hate him. Ultimately I'd say he's a pragmatist. The gov is handing out money, you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage not taking advantage of everything out there. It is possible, if not ideologically pure, to suckle on the government teet while strongly advocating for the government to remove their subsidies, and I think that's where people struggle.
I get that, but anybody on here who judges Elon for taking subsidies but cashed the $1200 check is being a bit hypocritical. Subsidies need to be stopped before they’re offered, because anyone not taking them is at a disadvantage. That’s why they’re called a perverse incentive.
The subsidies aren't given to tesla directly, it's given to buyers of the car.
Not the same at all. The stim check is the Government giving MY money back to me. The Tesla subsidy is taking MY money and giving it to someone whose buying a $100,000 luxury vehicle.
Do you have similar gripes about subsidies for the oil industry and for farmers? I'm not suggesting it is wrong to have issues with these.
There is a difference - the gov shut down the place so I could provide for myself.
Then it shut down other places and after that companies put up a hiring freeze for months. This is coming from a man that rode a bike in sub freezing temperatures because my car got wrecked by an illegal and my insurance (which had uninsured motorist) where faggots. The illegal got 9k and skipped the border, come to find out.
Did I complain then? Nope, got on with my life because I had to.
This was Trumps idea to keep The People affloat, so fuck off.
If this relief bill (again Trumps idea) wasn't passed you'd have 20-30 million homeless, right now.
Don't be a faggot and compare the two pede
It’s not a comparison, the point is if subsidies are offered ppl will take them, and would be stupid not to take them just on principle. The covid checks were obviously needed because of the Dem imposed lockdowns, that wasn’t the point.
because his cars, and the green movement, is one big hoax; but, as a capitalist, I applaud his entrepreneurial spirit
On the one hand, sure. On the other, a car I don't need to change the oil in, put gas in, and only needs a battery replacement every ~10 years is a car I'd want regardless of how dumb green energy is. The reason for it's invention is stupid, but the car itself is quite nice and worthy of buying in its own right.
We love Elon here at TD
He's pretty based
Yes we do.
He also paid back the subsidies years ahead of the due date and haven't taken any in many years if I recall correctly
Yes. This is what his detractors always "forget" to mention whenever they bring up the subsidies argument against him..
I did not know this! Thanks for the info.
The news talks about this guy all the time, and my impression was generally positive in spite of, or maybe because most coverage is negative. Not shocked that this tidbit doesn't make the usual talks about him.
Even with the subsidies he fought and won a lawsuit to make the bidding process more competitive.