I think the subsidies thing is the reason why the people around here who hate on Elon hate him. Ultimately I'd say he's a pragmatist. The gov is handing out money, you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage not taking advantage of everything out there. It is possible, if not ideologically pure, to suckle on the government teet while strongly advocating for the government to remove their subsidies, and I think that's where people struggle.
I get that, but anybody on here who judges Elon for taking subsidies but cashed the $1200 check is being a bit hypocritical. Subsidies need to be stopped before they’re offered, because anyone not taking them is at a disadvantage. That’s why they’re called a perverse incentive.
The subsidies aren't given to tesla directly, it's given to buyers of the car.
Not the same at all. The stim check is the Government giving MY money back to me. The Tesla subsidy is taking MY money and giving it to someone whose buying a $100,000 luxury vehicle.
As I understand it, there are no subsidies for big oil. The subsidies are only for small companies like the ones that lead the fracking boom and helped make us energy independent. I'm ok with that.
I know less about subsidies in those markets, but I'd probably find things to gripe about.
Tesla isn't the only one to receive this subsidy either, all greener vehicles receive it. But I still don't like that I'm paying for someone else's luxury.
There is a difference - the gov shut down the place so I could provide for myself.
Then it shut down other places and after that companies put up a hiring freeze for months.
This is coming from a man that rode a bike in sub freezing temperatures because my car got wrecked by an illegal and my insurance (which had uninsured motorist) where faggots. The illegal got 9k and skipped the border, come to find out.
Did I complain then? Nope, got on with my life because I had to.
This was Trumps idea to keep The People affloat, so fuck off.
If this relief bill (again Trumps idea) wasn't passed you'd have 20-30 million homeless, right now.
It’s not a comparison, the point is if subsidies are offered ppl will take them, and would be stupid not to take them just on principle. The covid checks were obviously needed because of the Dem imposed lockdowns, that wasn’t the point.
On the one hand, sure. On the other, a car I don't need to change the oil in, put gas in, and only needs a battery replacement every ~10 years is a car I'd want regardless of how dumb green energy is. The reason for it's invention is stupid, but the car itself is quite nice and worthy of buying in its own right.
What is the electrical bill for charging? Genuinely curious. Plus, how realistic is long road trips? And with Cali turning off it’s grid for wildfires, that seems to throw a wrench into things...
I think the subsidies thing is the reason why the people around here who hate on Elon hate him. Ultimately I'd say he's a pragmatist. The gov is handing out money, you put yourself at a competitive disadvantage not taking advantage of everything out there. It is possible, if not ideologically pure, to suckle on the government teet while strongly advocating for the government to remove their subsidies, and I think that's where people struggle.
I get that, but anybody on here who judges Elon for taking subsidies but cashed the $1200 check is being a bit hypocritical. Subsidies need to be stopped before they’re offered, because anyone not taking them is at a disadvantage. That’s why they’re called a perverse incentive.
The subsidies aren't given to tesla directly, it's given to buyers of the car.
Not the same at all. The stim check is the Government giving MY money back to me. The Tesla subsidy is taking MY money and giving it to someone whose buying a $100,000 luxury vehicle.
Do you have similar gripes about subsidies for the oil industry and for farmers? I'm not suggesting it is wrong to have issues with these.
As I understand it, there are no subsidies for big oil. The subsidies are only for small companies like the ones that lead the fracking boom and helped make us energy independent. I'm ok with that.
I know less about subsidies in those markets, but I'd probably find things to gripe about.
Tesla isn't the only one to receive this subsidy either, all greener vehicles receive it. But I still don't like that I'm paying for someone else's luxury.
There is a difference - the gov shut down the place so I could provide for myself.
Then it shut down other places and after that companies put up a hiring freeze for months. This is coming from a man that rode a bike in sub freezing temperatures because my car got wrecked by an illegal and my insurance (which had uninsured motorist) where faggots. The illegal got 9k and skipped the border, come to find out.
Did I complain then? Nope, got on with my life because I had to.
This was Trumps idea to keep The People affloat, so fuck off.
If this relief bill (again Trumps idea) wasn't passed you'd have 20-30 million homeless, right now.
Don't be a faggot and compare the two pede
It’s not a comparison, the point is if subsidies are offered ppl will take them, and would be stupid not to take them just on principle. The covid checks were obviously needed because of the Dem imposed lockdowns, that wasn’t the point.
because his cars, and the green movement, is one big hoax; but, as a capitalist, I applaud his entrepreneurial spirit
On the one hand, sure. On the other, a car I don't need to change the oil in, put gas in, and only needs a battery replacement every ~10 years is a car I'd want regardless of how dumb green energy is. The reason for it's invention is stupid, but the car itself is quite nice and worthy of buying in its own right.
I’m all for freedom of choice.
What is the electrical bill for charging? Genuinely curious. Plus, how realistic is long road trips? And with Cali turning off it’s grid for wildfires, that seems to throw a wrench into things...