President Trump could declare a moratorium on collecting sales tax and property taxes for states that aren't fully open. Let the leftist governors try to explain their way out of that.
Like a "typo", that's the key part. Fake News will run with the story with versions of how "Trump doesn't realize he can't tell states how to tax" - and spread red pills among people that think that their state should be giving them tax breaks during this period. They can't give in, or it makes POTUS look right. If they don't give in, it makes the lefty gov look like a greedy ass.
Democrats will have to defend collecting taxes on unemployed people - when the state government offices are largely shut down.
Alright, i give up, here's why you are wrong. Your state does tax your unemployment. The "option" of whether to deduct taxes is more a question of, "Do you want your full check and pay more/receive less at tax time, or do you want us to deduct from your checks and pay less/receive more at tax time?
When you pay the tax is irrelevant for whether or not you do in fact pay taxes. The clue was in the " deduct? Yes/no? " since there would be no purpose in deducting taxes if you weren't going to owe any.
In Virginia, you can withhold up to 10%, but most likely you will be in a higher tax bracket and next year you're gonna be paying the piper. The double edged sword of unemployment - in a year from now you're gonna get hammered on taxes but you can't have money withheld to soften that blow because you need every dollar right now.
Trump's in favor of an income tax moratorium. So he can float it out as:
"I don't see how this is so hard. Kill the income tax - that helps business and workers both, and would be very very hard to scam, and kill all the other taxes. Sales tax property tax those both hurt the poor ... we have to get back to work."
Do you honestly think that voters who think the 2nd amendment is just a suggestion, understands how government works? If Obama was still president, they would naturally assume Obama and the feds could do what they wanted, and as the Feds did with the EPA, IRS and ignoring state rights with interfering with them arresting illegal aliens.
The point is that leftists and many "middle of the road" voters have zero clue how the government is supposed to work. They think it exists to give them free stuff and force public libraries to hold drag queen story hour.
If POTUS said the states had to do the things I mentioned, MSM would spend a few days explaining how Trump got 'stumped' and couldn't do any of that. Dozens of millions of people would think that they should do those things. Whether they make economic sense or not doesn't matter. Millions of these people thought Bernie would have made American economically prosperous - and others didn't care, they were just in it for the free stuff.
Look back at how many of President Trump's tweets are not about forcing anyone to do something, but taunting them about things that they aren't doing.
Look at how many fools think POTUS would be more successful if he just stopped tweeting as much. Before President Trump, people said versions of "FFS that's not how presidential campaigning works...."
Those people LOST. This election isn't a board game with nice printed rules. It isn't about how government works. It is about President Trump pointing out where government isn't working the way it should be for Americans.
This was one of the first things I thought of when quarantine measures were announced. I recall in the not-so-distant past rumors that bacteria would become so strong that our best anti-bacterial soaps would be useless against it, too. Is this going to be a vicious cycle that ends with people not being able to go outside without hazmat suits on because their auto-immune system is so weak?
There is a risk of antibiotics resistance for complicated reasons but soap will always work. For viruses and bacteria alike. It’s a surfactant which is a fancy way of saying it’s slippery on a microscopic level which washes away germs.
Funny enough, in the run on cleaning supplies and other random grocery items (lol napkins), never once did I see a store run out of dish soap.
I recall in the not-so-distant past rumors that bacteria would become so strong that our best anti-bacterial soaps would be useless against it, too.
That narrative didn't work for them in this instance, so they tossed it out the window. Sort of like when the Left only started caring about the 10th Amendment when they thought GEOTUS was going to force states to re-open.
We may be able to use Flu data to determine the overall effectiveness of shelter in place orders on communicable diseases. That could be a net plus moving forward. I say may because it's impossible to tell just how fucked the numbers are when it comes to covid-OR-flu since one of those pays out hospitals a metric shit ton more.
Same. I haven’t changed my habits at all. If I get it I get it. My company is currently working from home but they’re requiring masks when we return to work. I’m not happy about it.
You would think that once a company gets the hang of working at home, they would decide to stick with it. They could save a ton of money in rent and other office maintenance expenses alone. Then again, I don't know the nature of your company. I suppose there are some that require a physical presence when possible.
I have a family member that works for a huge company that has zero physical interaction with customers, yet requires they go to an office. They've refused to go to a work-at-home model over the years. It's an office of several hundred people and he tells me people there are sick all the time and just pass it around. They've been working at home right now and eventually worked out the kinks, yet they're going back to the office model as soon as they can. Likely with masks and other time-wasting precautions. You would think this would have been their wake-up call, but some businesses never learn.
My companytechnically requires them, but so far no one wants to press the issue. My problem is that I'm in one of those states (Fucking Whitmer!) that has decided to mandate masks at the store/ any building. I'm kinda forced to, not because the store would make me, but because I wouldn't want to be rude.
I have severe asthma, which after 42 years on this earth, ive mostly grown out of (I didn't know that was a thing until. I told my doctor how infrequently I had needed my rescue inhaler a few years ago) and wearing a mask for any length of time leaves me.. not winded.. but certainly feeling deprived of oxygen. I ended up buying a pulse oximeter to see just how the mask was affecting me. 99% O2 sat just before entering (no mask), 93% 45 minutes later. I have no idea if would continue tracking down over longer periods, but i guess I'll be finding out.
See if you can get someone to sign something saying you medically cannot wear a mask. Usually these "muzzle mandates" give exceptions for people like you.
No, I'd rather wear it, not because it ACTUALLY does anything, but because there exists senior citizens/people in real jeopardy that have been fed a line of doom and gloom from the MSM. As much as I know it's horseshit, I just can not justify to myself worrying someone needlessly.
It's weird, it's just one of those things that I put in the "FUCKING CUNTS!!!" bin. I believe wholeheartedly that all should be allowed to scream that from the top of their lungs, and I'd die before denying someone the right to D it, but, and this is a biggie for me, I can still believe someone doing it is an asshole, and they SHOULDN'T do it.
Again, to each their own, but as long as it's mandatory in my state, at least where I may encounter otherwise great people who've just been fed a line on the Chinese virus, I'll wear the damn mask, if only to be polite.
That's my position on it. I will only wear it when required, but I will simply because (a) I want to keep my job, and (b) this is not the hill I'm dying on. I still do not want this to be permanent or long-term, I will lose patience after a while since it does suck to wear for 8 hours.
We're always just two weeks away from the Great Surge the Experts (TM) keep warning us about. Just you wait and see, two weeks from now, I'm talking Noah's Flood shit. Body bags stacked up miles high. Mass graves like the Mariana Trench. Wailing widows, grieving orphans, sad puppy dogs and kittens, the whole nine yards. Man, what a disaster awaits after the fortnight. So no, you can't take your kids to the park or open your barbershop back up. You'll murder us all. Stay inside, bigot.
... And then two weeks comes and goes, and it's all, wait, no, now it's the NEXT two weeks that the surge is upon us.
We drove down south to the beach. We’ve been playing in the ocean and relaxing together as a family.
The only challenging part about our drive down was the fast food restaurants are take out only, which in many ways is less hygienic. Now we have to stop to use the bathroom at a gas station or rest area. Then drive to the restaurant and eat in the car, which makes two stops instead of one. Usually when we stop to eat we go in and use the bathroom, wash our hands, eat, use the bathroom again, wash our hands, and head out. So I will be happy when they open things back up. It’s cleaner.
Global warming was no longer working as a panic point. People were asking up to how arson was the cause of many major fires. People were waking up to the "10 years left" panic point is just the boy crying wolf every 10 years.
now it's the NEXT two weeks that the surge is upon us.
Sort of how the "we need to continue the shutdown for 18 months" crowd were still saying we need to shutdown for 18 months, after two months from that initial assessment already passed. You know this time next year they would still be crowing about waiting for "18 months."
Well, we are also living in a different time now...more cleaning supplies are easily available, we have better nutrition and vitamins (at least available), we have more advanced medicine.
If the Spanish flu attacked today, would the results be what they were in 1918?
The Spanish flu caused a severe immune response in the host. So for someone with a healthy immune system, the immune response would go overboard and wind up accidentally killing the person in its overzealous attempts to eradicate the virus. The elderly and those with a weakened immune system fared a bit better in that scenario simply because their immune systems were too weak to respond fully to the presence of the virus.
For the last few days I’ve been looking into this "Second Wave" thing in (maybe obsessive) detail. What I’ve found backs up what you and HockeyMom4Trump are saying. And more.
An article from April 15 may have been the first to spread second wave alarmism:
The article begins with gruesome imagery, obviously to stoke fear:
“One hundred years ago [during the Spanish Flu pandemic], U-M Medical School dean Victor Vaughan described “bodies stacked like cord wood.” Then, implying a false equivalence: “Images emerging in recent weeks from New York City and Detroit, of body bags in hospitals lining hallways and stacked in refrigerated trucks, evoke a modern version of what Vaughan saw.”
The authors then try to legitimize their pro-lockdown narrative by quoting a leading “historical epidemiologist,” Dr. Howard Markel, who claims earlier and longer lockdowns not only reduce mortality but ultimately help the economy, whereas premature easing leads to the dreaded SECOND WAVE.
Markel makes the sweeping claim that early opening “invariably” has harmful results, but bases this on a single historical example, the Spanish Flu. One supporting source he cites is an article from April 2 (Which cites him as an authority, so he’s basically citing himself.) It was published by the hyper-Globalist World Economic Forum (think Davos):
“Reacting ten days earlier to the arrival of the pandemic in a given city [in the USA] increased manufacturing employment by around 5 percent in the post-pandemic period.” Lockdowns lasting “an additional fifty days increased manufacturing employment by 6.5 percent after the pandemic.”
Again, the SF is the ONLY piece of evidence cited for these claims. This doesn’t sound like good science to me. Also, there are major differences between the two pandemics.
To state the obvious, medical science and technology were less sophisticated 100 years ago, and less accessible.This would surely make for a higher SF death rate. HockeyMom4Trump cites differences in nutrition and cleaning supplies—good examples.)
The implied equivalence between the SF and the Wuhan Virus is disingenuous. The SF was exponentially more virulent. In this country alone it caused about 500,000 deaths. Comparing WV to the SF is like comparing a severe thunderstorm to a Category 5 hurricane.
As you say, the SF was a completely different animal that affected a very different demographic. The Wuhan Virus disproportionately kills the older, the SF disproportionately killed the younger. The SF killed by ramping up the auto-immune system, making it suicidal. Older people who had survived an epidemic 30 years earlier had built up some immunity. (I first learned this from fellow Pede Tardigrade ) On the other hand, the WV kills when it infects the lungs, causing respiratory failure and/or septic shock.
The historical data aren’t that reliable. There are major discrepancies in the “statistics” cited in various articles: One assures us the SF mortality rate was 0.66%; another says it was 2.6%. (Kind of a significant difference!) One says there were 40 to 50 million deaths; another says “AT LEAST 50 million deaths.” Even the timeframes are inconsistent: was it 1918-1919 or 1918-1920? Take your pick. Then there’s unreliable extrapolation from the data, as with the recent wildly mistaken models by supposed medical authorities (who may or not be agenda-driven). Then there’s fake or covered-up data: the misinformation spread by CCP science hacks and the CCP toadies at the W.H.O. Clearly, when it comes to the current pandemic, the expertise of “experts “is like the rumors of Mark Twain’s death: highly exaggerated.
One thing IS certain: the pandemic has flushed out the Globalists—for those with eyes to see. Markel (their mouthpiece?) predictably advocates “contact tracing,” which doesn’t at all have population surveillance/control implications, right? (Apple app to the rescue!) Gates tells us mass gatherings should be banned until we all get HIS vaccine—or his vaccine/tracking-chip cocktail. This is the same evil geek who owns the W.H.O. and whose company has a patent on Chinese-style surveillance technology. Fake science and Big Brother technology go hand-in-hand.
And the MSM/Dem Establishment has become even more blatantly partisan, itching to maximize damage to the economy, just to hurt Trump. Democrat governors are showing us what they always dreamed of being: Big-Government dictators. All these corrupt people are either engaging in disaster capitalism, Haiti-style; pushing a crypto-totalitarian agenda; or leveraging sickness and death for political gain.
I can only hope more and more people are getting red-pilled by all this, seeing these people for what they are: malevolent “bad actors” with a Far-Left authoritarian agenda; fifth-column traitors who hate ordinary Americans like you and me, and would gladly see more of us die to get Trump out of the way. Their ultimate goal is to destroy America as a sovereign nation. So why shouldn’t they be promoting fake science from Globalist apparatchiks and collaborating with Communist China’s disinformation campaign? Every little bit of propaganda helps.
The "second wave" would just be like the flu coming back every year... like it always does. At the worst it'd hit us as bad as it hit us the first time or slightly worse, aka... let's not rip up the constitution this time around when it does happen, if it happens.
I don't even want to bring up 1918 as an exception, that was a very different disease in a very different time. We're not sending the youth to charge into machine guns nor inhale occasional clouds of mustard gas and having hospitals already filled to the brim with the maimed and dying. That deadly second wave occurred because of returning soldiers from the trenches, which acted as a literal bio-bank for the contagion, bringing back the worst strains of the virus as only the most severely injured were sent back and those that merely had the sniffles were sent over the top.
And despite the negative press covfefe, the southern hemisphere did pretty well early on in shutting down travel from disease ridden China (against WHO guidelines, FUCK them) and preventing the spread, so if anything disease wise next winter it's looking good, not bad.
Of course there's no point trying to explain that to a Liberal, they're morons who will screech about whatever the TV tells them to be upset about. They don't care about facts, they just want to be mad and angry. If 0bummer in charge then by now, just like with swine flu, they would've moved to different more favorable topics so they can resume ejaculating at the feets of their Democrap overlords.
I love that I don’t even have to post what I was intending on posting, because someone else has already beaten me to the punch (re: the Spanish flu’s “second wave” being due to the returning soldiers from WWI at the time).
Hell, yesterday a “expert” said we were still in the beginning stages of the 1st wave. Of course not one person was smart enough to ask why Cuomo let the Comfort leave and closed down the field hospitals.
Expert: "This is actually the start of the very beginning. Covid isn't disappearing just because we're reopening. This virus and its mutations will maintain a presence for years, decades; perhaps longer."
Kind of like flu has been with us for years and we've dealt with it?
Expert: "DON'T YOU DARE COMPARE COVID AND THE FLU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!"
They're not entirely wrong; I know a number of dumb left-wing Texans who think everyone in the state has one foot in the grave because of the reopening.
One of them actually called me "brave" for going to a diner that had seating available yesterday. Wtf?!
Cuomos a dumb shit and shouldn't be taken seriously. You also don't need experts to see the current hump in data hasn't declined completely, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell we are in fact at end of first hump.
Just heard this from a coworker, 'I don't mind locking down for another 2-3 months,' I just looked at her like she was retarded and asked if she could stretch 1200 bucks for another 2-3 months and she shut up.
Fauci is so brilliant (corrupt) he recommended a response rooted in absolutely zero science that has never been done before! We’re so much smarter as a society than we’ve ever been!
I have had to see the doctor recently due to some issues over the past few weeks. Video meetings the going in.
First visit 3 weeks ago in office. Empty waiting room, all nurses and MAs and secretaries all bragging about their masks etc. 7 or 8 of them at the reception desk. Dr has no mask and does not seem too worried.
He helped me and gets me setup for a procedure that requires anesthesia. Just got it yesterday.
Empty waiting room. In and out faster than every before.
This combined with my work-from-home capability has made things really easy.
I feel bad for people who are not going in because of the scare and not getting the medical attention they need because of the Hysteria.
I also feel bad for all the "non-essential" workers who are going through this.
We have a local skate and fun center for the kids the head of the sign viewable from the freeway it says make America skate again
I'm almost 38 weeks pregnant. My hospital is doing mandatory mask wearing and covid testing for delivery. I wore the mask to my last appointment and felt like I was suffocating. I was also hot as fuck. Beads of sweat... My OB nonchalantly told me she didn't care if I wore it or not.
I'm refusing to wear it during labor. They gonna make me birth the baby in the parking lot? LOL.
I have to wear a mask at work (of course) and I loathe taking back in my own carbon dioxide for at least eight hours. I put the mask down to breathe air around me. I hope they don’t make you wear a mask all the time.
There's not going to be a fucking second wave. The only way that happens if some NEET gets it and decides to make a cheeto and mt. dew run and spreads it again. The summer is going to be hot, people are going to want to get out.
only reason the libs are trying to prolong this is because they want to steal november. that's the only reason. any lib who says otherwise is just doing what libs love to do, lie.
The MSM picked up that talking point from people on the right.
they listen to the crazy people on our side for "scary" talking points, so they can then maximize their ability to panic people. They know people on the left will fall for it 100%, and they can even reel in the dumbasses on the right that created it! JUST READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS ITT!
All of the ones they have used have originated on the right! I saw them all!
Keep telling people here this. Keep getting downvoted.
The second wave will hit two to three weeks after the shutdowns are lifted. Doesn't matter if that's next week or next winter. I would much rather deal with the flu in the Summer.
I am not some stupid leftie,
Screencap this.
I personally don't think congregating in big groups to protest the lockdowns is a smart thing because if just one person shows up with the virus, everyone's gonna get it.
You can do what you want but I'm staying inside first and seeing if y'all get it or not.
Downvoted because 90% of pedes here don't understand the ridiculous transmission rate. Everyone WILL get infected, and congregating pre or post lockdown all but guarantees it. But it was a matter of WHEN, and if we could stagger infections to ease the healthcare system, and so far it's working. Mandatory face coverings and no lockdowns should be the next step so we can go back to work.
They don't have a candidate so they must destroy ours
President Trump could declare a moratorium on collecting sales tax and property taxes for states that aren't fully open. Let the leftist governors try to explain their way out of that.
Both are state policies, so Trump has no say :/
Like a "typo", that's the key part. Fake News will run with the story with versions of how "Trump doesn't realize he can't tell states how to tax" - and spread red pills among people that think that their state should be giving them tax breaks during this period. They can't give in, or it makes POTUS look right. If they don't give in, it makes the lefty gov look like a greedy ass.
Democrats will have to defend collecting taxes on unemployed people - when the state government offices are largely shut down.
I like this idea. People would be dumb enough to be tricked into it, too. Use the media against them.
One problem with the last part though: Unemployment payments are already taxed.
Not true, not in my state anyway. You have the option of whether or not you want taxes deducted from your unemployment payments.
Think about what you just said. . . . . .
Alright, i give up, here's why you are wrong. Your state does tax your unemployment. The "option" of whether to deduct taxes is more a question of, "Do you want your full check and pay more/receive less at tax time, or do you want us to deduct from your checks and pay less/receive more at tax time?
When you pay the tax is irrelevant for whether or not you do in fact pay taxes. The clue was in the " deduct? Yes/no? " since there would be no purpose in deducting taxes if you weren't going to owe any.
In Virginia, you can withhold up to 10%, but most likely you will be in a higher tax bracket and next year you're gonna be paying the piper. The double edged sword of unemployment - in a year from now you're gonna get hammered on taxes but you can't have money withheld to soften that blow because you need every dollar right now.
It's usually the choice of paying it now or paying it later. Not whether you pay it or not. But, I don't know the laws in every state.
That's income tax, not sales and/or property tax.
And it ties in directly with the other line:
Trump's in favor of an income tax moratorium. So he can float it out as:
"I don't see how this is so hard. Kill the income tax - that helps business and workers both, and would be very very hard to scam, and kill all the other taxes. Sales tax property tax those both hurt the poor ... we have to get back to work."
Nice that's some Tyrion Lannister shit right there
For every week your state is closed, your state and property taxes will be reduced by 1/52nd.
That's not how government works, ffs.
Do you honestly think that voters who think the 2nd amendment is just a suggestion, understands how government works? If Obama was still president, they would naturally assume Obama and the feds could do what they wanted, and as the Feds did with the EPA, IRS and ignoring state rights with interfering with them arresting illegal aliens.
The point is that leftists and many "middle of the road" voters have zero clue how the government is supposed to work. They think it exists to give them free stuff and force public libraries to hold drag queen story hour.
If POTUS said the states had to do the things I mentioned, MSM would spend a few days explaining how Trump got 'stumped' and couldn't do any of that. Dozens of millions of people would think that they should do those things. Whether they make economic sense or not doesn't matter. Millions of these people thought Bernie would have made American economically prosperous - and others didn't care, they were just in it for the free stuff.
Look back at how many of President Trump's tweets are not about forcing anyone to do something, but taunting them about things that they aren't doing.
Look at how many fools think POTUS would be more successful if he just stopped tweeting as much. Before President Trump, people said versions of "FFS that's not how presidential campaigning works...."
Those people LOST. This election isn't a board game with nice printed rules. It isn't about how government works. It is about President Trump pointing out where government isn't working the way it should be for Americans.
If Americans fall for a second "wave" they deserve it.
The second wave is going to be everyone getting sick from our immune systems going to shit while in isolation.
...and us.
Well that's a given at this point
It'll be Crooked/Big Mike not sure what order.
They don't have a candidate, so they must forbid us from going to the polls.
has there ever really been a "second wave" for the flu or other "coronaviruses"? ffs
This kind of thing would extend the flu season to year round sickness.
It is very likely to become endemic, just like the 4 Coronavirus strains we have lived with for decades.
"But we have to wait for the vaccine!"
Like how the flu vaccine cures/prevent the flu. Like how the SARS/MERS/common cold vaccines... oh...
Considering H1N1 is still around and infecting people by the hundreds yearly, this one won't be disappearing altogether anytime soon.
The panic's over President Trump winning a second term.
This was one of the first things I thought of when quarantine measures were announced. I recall in the not-so-distant past rumors that bacteria would become so strong that our best anti-bacterial soaps would be useless against it, too. Is this going to be a vicious cycle that ends with people not being able to go outside without hazmat suits on because their auto-immune system is so weak?
There is a risk of antibiotics resistance for complicated reasons but soap will always work. For viruses and bacteria alike. It’s a surfactant which is a fancy way of saying it’s slippery on a microscopic level which washes away germs.
Funny enough, in the run on cleaning supplies and other random grocery items (lol napkins), never once did I see a store run out of dish soap.
Oh interesting, cause dish soap is out here.
Shop towels were out. I giggled.
That narrative didn't work for them in this instance, so they tossed it out the window. Sort of like when the Left only started caring about the 10th Amendment when they thought GEOTUS was going to force states to re-open.
We may be able to use Flu data to determine the overall effectiveness of shelter in place orders on communicable diseases. That could be a net plus moving forward. I say may because it's impossible to tell just how fucked the numbers are when it comes to covid-OR-flu since one of those pays out hospitals a metric shit ton more.
Another reason I'm glad I didn't cower in my home like the Karens or wear a mask when going out to the store.
Same. I haven’t changed my habits at all. If I get it I get it. My company is currently working from home but they’re requiring masks when we return to work. I’m not happy about it.
You would think that once a company gets the hang of working at home, they would decide to stick with it. They could save a ton of money in rent and other office maintenance expenses alone. Then again, I don't know the nature of your company. I suppose there are some that require a physical presence when possible.
I have a family member that works for a huge company that has zero physical interaction with customers, yet requires they go to an office. They've refused to go to a work-at-home model over the years. It's an office of several hundred people and he tells me people there are sick all the time and just pass it around. They've been working at home right now and eventually worked out the kinks, yet they're going back to the office model as soon as they can. Likely with masks and other time-wasting precautions. You would think this would have been their wake-up call, but some businesses never learn.
My companytechnically requires them, but so far no one wants to press the issue. My problem is that I'm in one of those states (Fucking Whitmer!) that has decided to mandate masks at the store/ any building. I'm kinda forced to, not because the store would make me, but because I wouldn't want to be rude.
I have severe asthma, which after 42 years on this earth, ive mostly grown out of (I didn't know that was a thing until. I told my doctor how infrequently I had needed my rescue inhaler a few years ago) and wearing a mask for any length of time leaves me.. not winded.. but certainly feeling deprived of oxygen. I ended up buying a pulse oximeter to see just how the mask was affecting me. 99% O2 sat just before entering (no mask), 93% 45 minutes later. I have no idea if would continue tracking down over longer periods, but i guess I'll be finding out.
See if you can get someone to sign something saying you medically cannot wear a mask. Usually these "muzzle mandates" give exceptions for people like you.
The stores aren't enforcing masks everywhere. Exceptions in Costco and maybe Walmart.
They are where I live. It started with the towns, and then dough boy "my wife went to Florida on your tax money" Pritzker made it a statewide order.
No, I'd rather wear it, not because it ACTUALLY does anything, but because there exists senior citizens/people in real jeopardy that have been fed a line of doom and gloom from the MSM. As much as I know it's horseshit, I just can not justify to myself worrying someone needlessly.
It's weird, it's just one of those things that I put in the "FUCKING CUNTS!!!" bin. I believe wholeheartedly that all should be allowed to scream that from the top of their lungs, and I'd die before denying someone the right to D it, but, and this is a biggie for me, I can still believe someone doing it is an asshole, and they SHOULDN'T do it.
Again, to each their own, but as long as it's mandatory in my state, at least where I may encounter otherwise great people who've just been fed a line on the Chinese virus, I'll wear the damn mask, if only to be polite.
That's my position on it. I will only wear it when required, but I will simply because (a) I want to keep my job, and (b) this is not the hill I'm dying on. I still do not want this to be permanent or long-term, I will lose patience after a while since it does suck to wear for 8 hours.
We're always just two weeks away from the Great Surge the Experts (TM) keep warning us about. Just you wait and see, two weeks from now, I'm talking Noah's Flood shit. Body bags stacked up miles high. Mass graves like the Mariana Trench. Wailing widows, grieving orphans, sad puppy dogs and kittens, the whole nine yards. Man, what a disaster awaits after the fortnight. So no, you can't take your kids to the park or open your barbershop back up. You'll murder us all. Stay inside, bigot.
... And then two weeks comes and goes, and it's all, wait, no, now it's the NEXT two weeks that the surge is upon us.
Yeah, I’m done with it. Kids are out of school (online) and we are road tripping.
Where are you road tripping to? What's open/ visitable?
We drove down south to the beach. We’ve been playing in the ocean and relaxing together as a family.
The only challenging part about our drive down was the fast food restaurants are take out only, which in many ways is less hygienic. Now we have to stop to use the bathroom at a gas station or rest area. Then drive to the restaurant and eat in the car, which makes two stops instead of one. Usually when we stop to eat we go in and use the bathroom, wash our hands, eat, use the bathroom again, wash our hands, and head out. So I will be happy when they open things back up. It’s cleaner.
This is EXACTLY what they're doing.
So like the global warming doomsday clock
Global warming was no longer working as a panic point. People were asking up to how arson was the cause of many major fires. People were waking up to the "10 years left" panic point is just the boy crying wolf every 10 years.
So they needed a new distraction.
Exactly the same thing, yes.
We will be forever "2 weeks away" until the president is a Democrat. Smell the flowers.
It will be 2 weeks then too - you don't think they're relinquish the panic do you?
Sort of how the "we need to continue the shutdown for 18 months" crowd were still saying we need to shutdown for 18 months, after two months from that initial assessment already passed. You know this time next year they would still be crowing about waiting for "18 months."
Well, we are also living in a different time now...more cleaning supplies are easily available, we have better nutrition and vitamins (at least available), we have more advanced medicine.
If the Spanish flu attacked today, would the results be what they were in 1918?
My guess...no
The Spanish flu caused a severe immune response in the host. So for someone with a healthy immune system, the immune response would go overboard and wind up accidentally killing the person in its overzealous attempts to eradicate the virus. The elderly and those with a weakened immune system fared a bit better in that scenario simply because their immune systems were too weak to respond fully to the presence of the virus.
For the last few days I’ve been looking into this "Second Wave" thing in (maybe obsessive) detail. What I’ve found backs up what you and HockeyMom4Trump are saying. And more.
An article from April 15 may have been the first to spread second wave alarmism:
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/industry-dx/covid-19-curve-flattening-its-time-to-prevent-a-second-peak
(At least it was the first one I’ve seen discussed here: https://thedonald.win/p/FfWEuRnC/it-went-from-flatten-the-curve-t/c/)
The article begins with gruesome imagery, obviously to stoke fear:
“One hundred years ago [during the Spanish Flu pandemic], U-M Medical School dean Victor Vaughan described “bodies stacked like cord wood.” Then, implying a false equivalence: “Images emerging in recent weeks from New York City and Detroit, of body bags in hospitals lining hallways and stacked in refrigerated trucks, evoke a modern version of what Vaughan saw.”
The authors then try to legitimize their pro-lockdown narrative by quoting a leading “historical epidemiologist,” Dr. Howard Markel, who claims earlier and longer lockdowns not only reduce mortality but ultimately help the economy, whereas premature easing leads to the dreaded SECOND WAVE.
Markel makes the sweeping claim that early opening “invariably” has harmful results, but bases this on a single historical example, the Spanish Flu. One supporting source he cites is an article from April 2 (Which cites him as an authority, so he’s basically citing himself.) It was published by the hyper-Globalist World Economic Forum (think Davos):
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/pandemic-economy-lessons-1918-flu/
“Reacting ten days earlier to the arrival of the pandemic in a given city [in the USA] increased manufacturing employment by around 5 percent in the post-pandemic period.” Lockdowns lasting “an additional fifty days increased manufacturing employment by 6.5 percent after the pandemic.”
Again, the SF is the ONLY piece of evidence cited for these claims. This doesn’t sound like good science to me. Also, there are major differences between the two pandemics.
To state the obvious, medical science and technology were less sophisticated 100 years ago, and less accessible.This would surely make for a higher SF death rate. HockeyMom4Trump cites differences in nutrition and cleaning supplies—good examples.)
The implied equivalence between the SF and the Wuhan Virus is disingenuous. The SF was exponentially more virulent. In this country alone it caused about 500,000 deaths. Comparing WV to the SF is like comparing a severe thunderstorm to a Category 5 hurricane.
As you say, the SF was a completely different animal that affected a very different demographic. The Wuhan Virus disproportionately kills the older, the SF disproportionately killed the younger. The SF killed by ramping up the auto-immune system, making it suicidal. Older people who had survived an epidemic 30 years earlier had built up some immunity. (I first learned this from fellow Pede Tardigrade ) On the other hand, the WV kills when it infects the lungs, causing respiratory failure and/or septic shock.
The historical data aren’t that reliable. There are major discrepancies in the “statistics” cited in various articles: One assures us the SF mortality rate was 0.66%; another says it was 2.6%. (Kind of a significant difference!) One says there were 40 to 50 million deaths; another says “AT LEAST 50 million deaths.” Even the timeframes are inconsistent: was it 1918-1919 or 1918-1920? Take your pick. Then there’s unreliable extrapolation from the data, as with the recent wildly mistaken models by supposed medical authorities (who may or not be agenda-driven). Then there’s fake or covered-up data: the misinformation spread by CCP science hacks and the CCP toadies at the W.H.O. Clearly, when it comes to the current pandemic, the expertise of “experts “is like the rumors of Mark Twain’s death: highly exaggerated.
One thing IS certain: the pandemic has flushed out the Globalists—for those with eyes to see. Markel (their mouthpiece?) predictably advocates “contact tracing,” which doesn’t at all have population surveillance/control implications, right? (Apple app to the rescue!) Gates tells us mass gatherings should be banned until we all get HIS vaccine—or his vaccine/tracking-chip cocktail. This is the same evil geek who owns the W.H.O. and whose company has a patent on Chinese-style surveillance technology. Fake science and Big Brother technology go hand-in-hand.
And the MSM/Dem Establishment has become even more blatantly partisan, itching to maximize damage to the economy, just to hurt Trump. Democrat governors are showing us what they always dreamed of being: Big-Government dictators. All these corrupt people are either engaging in disaster capitalism, Haiti-style; pushing a crypto-totalitarian agenda; or leveraging sickness and death for political gain.
I can only hope more and more people are getting red-pilled by all this, seeing these people for what they are: malevolent “bad actors” with a Far-Left authoritarian agenda; fifth-column traitors who hate ordinary Americans like you and me, and would gladly see more of us die to get Trump out of the way. Their ultimate goal is to destroy America as a sovereign nation. So why shouldn’t they be promoting fake science from Globalist apparatchiks and collaborating with Communist China’s disinformation campaign? Every little bit of propaganda helps.
The "second wave" would just be like the flu coming back every year... like it always does. At the worst it'd hit us as bad as it hit us the first time or slightly worse, aka... let's not rip up the constitution this time around when it does happen, if it happens.
I don't even want to bring up 1918 as an exception, that was a very different disease in a very different time. We're not sending the youth to charge into machine guns nor inhale occasional clouds of mustard gas and having hospitals already filled to the brim with the maimed and dying. That deadly second wave occurred because of returning soldiers from the trenches, which acted as a literal bio-bank for the contagion, bringing back the worst strains of the virus as only the most severely injured were sent back and those that merely had the sniffles were sent over the top.
And despite the negative press covfefe, the southern hemisphere did pretty well early on in shutting down travel from disease ridden China (against WHO guidelines, FUCK them) and preventing the spread, so if anything disease wise next winter it's looking good, not bad.
Of course there's no point trying to explain that to a Liberal, they're morons who will screech about whatever the TV tells them to be upset about. They don't care about facts, they just want to be mad and angry. If 0bummer in charge then by now, just like with swine flu, they would've moved to different more favorable topics so they can resume ejaculating at the feets of their Democrap overlords.
I love that I don’t even have to post what I was intending on posting, because someone else has already beaten me to the punch (re: the Spanish flu’s “second wave” being due to the returning soldiers from WWI at the time).
well, like someone said on here, there won't be a second wave because there isn't an election in 2021.
Just teeing up their master plan for unprecedented vote fraud (even for them) this November.
Exactly. They have to keep the country closed for as long as possible so they can pass national mail-in voting.
Yep and at this point we don't have time for Voter ID. Hell even Real ID got pushed back.
Prepare yourself for every cough, sneeze, and fart to be blamed on COVID this fall.
“What’s that awful smell? Did you fart?”
“I don’t smell anything. What are you talking about?”
No wonder they say One of the symptoms is a loss of smell.
Hell, yesterday a “expert” said we were still in the beginning stages of the 1st wave. Of course not one person was smart enough to ask why Cuomo let the Comfort leave and closed down the field hospitals.
Expert: "This is actually the start of the very beginning. Covid isn't disappearing just because we're reopening. This virus and its mutations will maintain a presence for years, decades; perhaps longer."
Kind of like flu has been with us for years and we've dealt with it?
Expert: "DON'T YOU DARE COMPARE COVID AND THE FLU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!"
lol. How dumb do they think most people are?
These “experts” are pretty pathetic
They're not entirely wrong; I know a number of dumb left-wing Texans who think everyone in the state has one foot in the grave because of the reopening.
One of them actually called me "brave" for going to a diner that had seating available yesterday. Wtf?!
Haha, "brave." More like, just not the biggest pussy on earth.
Well, you need to consider the average MSDNC Or CNN audience That these “experts” Are appealing to.
Well, we are talking about the media here. "Smart" isn't part of the equation.
Cuomos a dumb shit and shouldn't be taken seriously. You also don't need experts to see the current hump in data hasn't declined completely, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell we are in fact at end of first hump.
Just heard this from a coworker, 'I don't mind locking down for another 2-3 months,' I just looked at her like she was retarded and asked if she could stretch 1200 bucks for another 2-3 months and she shut up.
Fauci is so brilliant (corrupt) he recommended a response rooted in absolutely zero science that has never been done before! We’re so much smarter as a society than we’ve ever been!
Cue the meme of the guy tapping the side of his forehead saying "They can't say you're wrong if it hasn't been proven wrong"
Or..we have to stay locked down til there is a vaccine! Whut?
2nd wave is indictments, arrests, incarceration, and capital punishment.
I have had to see the doctor recently due to some issues over the past few weeks. Video meetings the going in.
First visit 3 weeks ago in office. Empty waiting room, all nurses and MAs and secretaries all bragging about their masks etc. 7 or 8 of them at the reception desk. Dr has no mask and does not seem too worried. He helped me and gets me setup for a procedure that requires anesthesia. Just got it yesterday.
Empty waiting room. In and out faster than every before.
This combined with my work-from-home capability has made things really easy.
I feel bad for people who are not going in because of the scare and not getting the medical attention they need because of the Hysteria.
I also feel bad for all the "non-essential" workers who are going through this.
We have a local skate and fun center for the kids the head of the sign viewable from the freeway it says make America skate again
I'm almost 38 weeks pregnant. My hospital is doing mandatory mask wearing and covid testing for delivery. I wore the mask to my last appointment and felt like I was suffocating. I was also hot as fuck. Beads of sweat... My OB nonchalantly told me she didn't care if I wore it or not.
I'm refusing to wear it during labor. They gonna make me birth the baby in the parking lot? LOL.
I have to wear a mask at work (of course) and I loathe taking back in my own carbon dioxide for at least eight hours. I put the mask down to breathe air around me. I hope they don’t make you wear a mask all the time.
And why do you think the hospitals are empty?
Just like the blue wave it never came.
We closed everything on a whim.
But we CANNOT reopen unless the data says we should.
Not one person in the entire country went without a ventillator... but... you guessed it..... Orange Man Bad
Anything to hurt our economy and Trump.
Most places never even had a first wave!
In 1918 far out remote villages of Eskimos in Alaska who hasn't seen the Spanish Flu caught the second wave, don't call it off so early Nostradamus.
Seems like there's no oversight.. no recourse, no objectivity. Why is it the liberal clown rhetoric that always dictates America???
There's not going to be a fucking second wave. The only way that happens if some NEET gets it and decides to make a cheeto and mt. dew run and spreads it again. The summer is going to be hot, people are going to want to get out.
If they weren't consistently inconsistent, they'd have no consistency at all.
only reason the libs are trying to prolong this is because they want to steal november. that's the only reason. any lib who says otherwise is just doing what libs love to do, lie.
Biggest HOAX in history! https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
This seems like someone overreacted.
We never used any of the auxiliary hospitals we built, but all the democrats claim our response failed....
Suppose the democrats know that a "second wave" is coming, because the deal with their Chinese buddies calls for three waves?
Here in Texas, lockdown expired Friday
inb4 the flood of Mens Warehouse Memes.... "WE WILL BE BACK ON LOCKDOWN IN X DAYS .... I GUARANTEE IT"
ffs pls
And if they are expecting this massive "wave"....then why the hell are they NOT building facilities right this second to BE READY?
ohWell
The only other wave that is coming is as at the ballot box when we out these buffoons.
The MSM picked up that talking point from people on the right.
they listen to the crazy people on our side for "scary" talking points, so they can then maximize their ability to panic people. They know people on the left will fall for it 100%, and they can even reel in the dumbasses on the right that created it! JUST READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS ITT!
All of the ones they have used have originated on the right! I saw them all!
Keep telling people here this. Keep getting downvoted.
The second wave will hit two to three weeks after the shutdowns are lifted. Doesn't matter if that's next week or next winter. I would much rather deal with the flu in the Summer.
I am not some stupid leftie,
Screencap this.
Christ OP arent you prematuring a little early? What was the elapsed time between waves in 1918, any idea?
I personally don't think congregating in big groups to protest the lockdowns is a smart thing because if just one person shows up with the virus, everyone's gonna get it.
You can do what you want but I'm staying inside first and seeing if y'all get it or not.
Wow the TD community has become so much more toxic since moving off of Reddit. But yes I do have a weak immune system.
fuck that. i’d rather get infected and risk death than stay locked down
Downvoted because 90% of pedes here don't understand the ridiculous transmission rate. Everyone WILL get infected, and congregating pre or post lockdown all but guarantees it. But it was a matter of WHEN, and if we could stagger infections to ease the healthcare system, and so far it's working. Mandatory face coverings and no lockdowns should be the next step so we can go back to work.
Unless you live in upper plains your talking shit. In my rural county alone 70% of cases are all under 60 years of age.