Anyone should ignore a study from the VA, it's the worst healthcare you can have (but better than nothing).
It's horribly mismanaged, the doctors don't care about their patients at all, and the equipment sucks. If the VA was your healthcare option it's no wonder so many died.
Furthermore, vets have terrible health overall, we get fucked up during our service time and there's not much recovery for certain diseases or exposure to environmental factors.
Add all of that up and it'll help put that VA study in perspective. (It's a shit study)
It was Veteran's Affairs. They went back into records after the fact and put this information together. Keep in mind did not use Zpac or Zinc which is REQUIRED for the Hydroxychloriquine to work. It was a fake study which somehow got Trump to stop believing in the combo which is sad.
Oh okay then yeah that makes sense. The VA care is shit man I swear. All of the hospitals are run down, poorly staffed, and it takes forever to get seen for an issue.
I hope Trump keeps expanded the VA choice program to where you can visit a regular Dr (that gives a shit about you).
It's really a travesty that the veterans get such limited health care options. I used to work with veterans on the daily and use the VA myself, it's such a let down.
IMO we should abolish the VA healthcare side and just have more of an insurance for veterans instead of trying to maintain a huge beuracratic healthcare entity and pay for it all while failing and failing to get veterans the care they deserve.
I use the VA system in Boston area even though I have private health insurance. Hasn't been too bad to be honest. My 2nd primary care Doctor has been phenomenal. His staff is very attentive to emails.
I think I may still switch to private care if he ever retires or leaves the VA.
You are one of the lucky ones then. Every Dr I've had barely looks at me or talks to me, I'll wait 2 weeks for an appointment and I'm in and out in 10 minutes. They don't even try to make it seem like they care here, they're all dismissive and just burnt out (it seems).
I tore an ACL and it took over 7 months to get an MRI when I could barely walk.
They also gave the Hydroxychloriquine to patients that were already close to dying. It is highly effective when given to patients early. There is a point of no return.
Just read the link. Thanks. I wonder how long it will take them to discover this given the likelihood that most recipients are in the over 65 age group. The other caution for this Fauci wonder drug are all the other bad things it can do...
Definitely would like to see more press on the above HCQ study, but fat chance with the propagandist msm.
While the drug, I believe, works, we won't be able to combat leftist screeching about fish tank cleaner and fake news about it killing more than it cures (current refrain vis a vis Joe Rogan) until peer reviewed, large sample, good data papers are published.
P value comes from the size of the sample with around 340 you can do less than 0.05 for population of 300mln. 0.05 is used in science to determine in which reality we live in. Its like probably of 6 heads in a coin toss. Scientists assume that it's so unlikely that this happens that we live in reality where null hypothesis must be false. 0.001 means 10 heads in a row with perfectly balanced coin. This means that 19% vs 46% cannot be a fluke unless you assume that 10 heads coin toss in a row is a reasonable assumption (it isnt) . This pretty much means the study settles the science whether hydroxychloroquine is effective and how much. All comes down to how sample was selected.
Do we know what kinds of significance testing they did on the populations to prove they are comparable? The p-vals of the outcomes is self evident from the results. I'd like to see the median age, std, and mean age, other conditions among the population like obesity and other factors. I emailed Dr. Wang for the raw data. Hopefully the records are not all in Mandarin!
Anyone should ignore a study from the VA, it's the worst healthcare you can have (but better than nothing).
It's horribly mismanaged, the doctors don't care about their patients at all, and the equipment sucks. If the VA was your healthcare option it's no wonder so many died.
Furthermore, vets have terrible health overall, we get fucked up during our service time and there's not much recovery for certain diseases or exposure to environmental factors.
Add all of that up and it'll help put that VA study in perspective. (It's a shit study)
Oh I might have misread then. When I saw 'VA' I think of Veteran Affairs healthcare and not the state.
It was Veteran's Affairs. They went back into records after the fact and put this information together. Keep in mind did not use Zpac or Zinc which is REQUIRED for the Hydroxychloriquine to work. It was a fake study which somehow got Trump to stop believing in the combo which is sad.
Oh okay then yeah that makes sense. The VA care is shit man I swear. All of the hospitals are run down, poorly staffed, and it takes forever to get seen for an issue.
I hope Trump keeps expanded the VA choice program to where you can visit a regular Dr (that gives a shit about you).
It's really a travesty that the veterans get such limited health care options. I used to work with veterans on the daily and use the VA myself, it's such a let down.
IMO we should abolish the VA healthcare side and just have more of an insurance for veterans instead of trying to maintain a huge beuracratic healthcare entity and pay for it all while failing and failing to get veterans the care they deserve.
Kind of off topic but whatever lol
This^^. Fucking privatize the shit out of it.
I use the VA system in Boston area even though I have private health insurance. Hasn't been too bad to be honest. My 2nd primary care Doctor has been phenomenal. His staff is very attentive to emails.
I think I may still switch to private care if he ever retires or leaves the VA.
You are one of the lucky ones then. Every Dr I've had barely looks at me or talks to me, I'll wait 2 weeks for an appointment and I'm in and out in 10 minutes. They don't even try to make it seem like they care here, they're all dismissive and just burnt out (it seems).
I tore an ACL and it took over 7 months to get an MRI when I could barely walk.
Yeah sorry to hear you've had a bad experience. Most of my buddies that goto different VA health care systems have similar experiences.
They also gave the Hydroxychloriquine to patients that were already close to dying. It is highly effective when given to patients early. There is a point of no return.
If our men want to still have babies read before taking Remdesivir
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.21.050104v1
Just read the link. Thanks. I wonder how long it will take them to discover this given the likelihood that most recipients are in the over 65 age group. The other caution for this Fauci wonder drug are all the other bad things it can do...
Definitely would like to see more press on the above HCQ study, but fat chance with the propagandist msm.
/if I get it being 69 I want the HCQ+Z-pac+zinc!
This is not peer reviewed.....yet.
Not worth much without robust scrutiny.
While the drug, I believe, works, we won't be able to combat leftist screeching about fish tank cleaner and fake news about it killing more than it cures (current refrain vis a vis Joe Rogan) until peer reviewed, large sample, good data papers are published.
Science....
P value comes from the size of the sample with around 340 you can do less than 0.05 for population of 300mln. 0.05 is used in science to determine in which reality we live in. Its like probably of 6 heads in a coin toss. Scientists assume that it's so unlikely that this happens that we live in reality where null hypothesis must be false. 0.001 means 10 heads in a row with perfectly balanced coin. This means that 19% vs 46% cannot be a fluke unless you assume that 10 heads coin toss in a row is a reasonable assumption (it isnt) . This pretty much means the study settles the science whether hydroxychloroquine is effective and how much. All comes down to how sample was selected.
Just poking in to say fuck the useless VA.
This study does not provide the raw data. There is no way to review the findings.
An I wrong... Didn't the VA give chloroquine to some of the control group?
When the say p<0.001, is that the pval to demonstrate that both populations are similar in makeup? What characteristics did they compare?
Do we know what kinds of significance testing they did on the populations to prove they are comparable? The p-vals of the outcomes is self evident from the results. I'd like to see the median age, std, and mean age, other conditions among the population like obesity and other factors. I emailed Dr. Wang for the raw data. Hopefully the records are not all in Mandarin!
By the way the full paper is here. I will read it later https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20073379v1.full.pdf .