Now sue their asses for their assets in compensation for their assault on your civil liberties. Seek Punitive damages at the maximum level ... Salt their world.
There needs to be massive numbers of lawsuits, and not just against the states, but the officials personally. There needs to be actual punitive damages levied against THEIR livelihood, and not just them getting away with paying out taxpayer money.
Individual officers who enforce unconstitutional laws need to be sued. Playing Gestapo would get old real fast if they knew their uniform and their "just following orders" excuse won't protect them from financial ruin. The left is constantly using lawsuits to strike fear into their opposition. It's high time the right starts doing the same.
While we can stop LEOs from the unconstitutional bs, unfortunately they are protected from having to bear the financial burden of lawsuits against them. I hope I'm wrong about this. We need class action lawsuits, worded so that everyone affected in the State can share the cost of the one legal action. That's how we win.
We also need to name the Governor; we CAN sue against their own personal wealth. There are maybe 10 that aren't guilty of mass murder.
This is incorrect. Persons who deprive civil rights/liberties can be pursued in civil court/held personally liable for damages. A badge does not protect them. “Just doing my job” or “Following orders” is an insufficient defense.
It's called "qualified immunity. It protects police against legal retaliation.
Its krptonite? CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. "Qualified immunity" tends to go out the window ion civil cases where citizens have had their rights clearly violated.
Civil lawsuits against police departments, and INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS.
That's wonderful news, if true! How come the few times Courts have ruled against the Police, it's always the town that winds up paying the settlement, and never the cop?
You don't need to be a "Constitutional Expert" to have a basic junior high understanding of the bill of rights, especially when the single most important aspect of your job is defending those rights.
It’s my opinion that EVERYone should be Constitutional experts. It takes 30 minutes to read one of the most important documents ever written by man. Yet the amount of people who have never actually taken the time to sit and read the words for themselves, whether they already know how it works or not, is shocking
Your point is well taken. And most of you reading this are too young to understand a classical education in the grade schools. I had one such education. I think it 08th grade; all 20 some kids had to memorize a portion of the US Constitution. The the first student with the opening lines; recited his part. When he stopped the 02nd student took up the refrain; and on to the end. Was it effective? You may judge from the fact, that for me, 08th grade was back in President Ikes' era!
I have yet to hear a cop say that "defending someone's rights" is anything they value.
If you listen when they read you your rights what they're really saying is they think it's their job to get you to say the sky is blue and grass is green, and then twist that around somehow to hurt you with it.
I mean.... It seems highly inappropriate to be a law enforcement officer if you don't know the law, right? The Constitution is the highest law of the land.
SCOTUS has ruled on this. Cops can be completely wrong re: the law and they're fine. All they need is something akin to a "sincerely held belief" with a reasonable explanation and they can do no wrong.
Class action lawsuits against the Governor. Draw it up so that everyone affected in the State can sign on. That way we bear the cost among us all, and we win. If we try to do this individually they draw it out forever and run up the cost; that's how they win. Make sure to include the charge of mass murder. Deny sick people medicine? Let the lawyer figure out the proper charge, but they don't get out for that. The most convictions any mass murderer in the US has is 8 murders. Very few Governors are guilty of fewer than 8 preventable deaths.
Unfortunately there are a lot of protections for sitting representatives and government officials when they are acting in the capacity of their job, no matter how right or wrong their decisions are or their impact.
Basically you can sue for damages but usually not based on a violation of rights until that is already established. A violation of rights means you sue for an injunction and establish that first. States technically have immunity in federal court and so do state actors (commissioners, administrators, etc) under most circumstances in terms of financial damages, it's known as "sovereign state immunity."
You can sue a state in its own court (of claims usually) for damages but this would be more of a situation where you had a civil claim that was tangible financial damage. Something like a city vehicle side swiped your parked car or whatever.
They just don't have the jurisdiction to take on civil rights cases in most circumstances and will likely pass the buck or simply reject based on that.
Mass murder is an open and shut case. Lots of legal jargon for it, that's what lawyers are for. There is TONS of evidence that denying a person medicine when they're sick is a bad idea. Any type of infection shares the characteristic that the earlier you treat it, the better. This stuff multiplies and it ain't healthy.
About 40 Governors are denying medicine to sick people until they're in such horrible shape that they need to be admitted to the hospital with CCPvirus. It shouldn't be difficult to realize that this is NOT a good idea, regardless of what sort of treatment is involved. Many people turned away from any medical care when they test positive cannot physically return to get medical care after they think they're in bad enough shape to be admitted. Then they die. Others make it but are too far gone to save, and die.
All those deaths are preventable. All those are directly caused by the Governor. Contrast that to SD, where once you test positive you can get "whatever you need," and are included on a Statewide study. SD has 12 x lower IFR than the National average. Dr Zelnko gets 38 X lower IFR and hospitalizations than the National average. This tells me not everyone in SD is using Dr Z's protocol, but it's not because the Governor has forbidden it. And that Governor has access to all the same information every other Governor does.
The only reason these other Governors deny sick people medicine in a pandemic is because they want to kill as many as possible, and they want the crisis to continue as long as possible. They want you to lose your job and your employer to go under. They want the Fed to bail out State and local governments until the national debt is grotesquely out of whack with gdp, and everybody knows we can never pay it back.
This is the face of evil. Governors are our only visible enemy right now (with the exception of the few States where your Governor is ok but you're still having problems; then you need to focus on your Mayor)
They're just proving the anti-vac people right with this shit. Just not in the way most would think. No sense relying on healthcare when you can't afford or obtain it anyways. Ik I don't.
I don't know about all that man. I know that when the Government starts restricting people's movement and freedom of assembly without due process and without being subjected to the standard of strict constitutional scrutiny, that they are violating our civil rights.
I'm not sure taking it to the "we need to start charging them with murder" level is going to help anything. I mean, murder trials take years just to assemble let alone try and convict in court. Then there are appeals. Certainly seems unrealistic at least as far as actually getting charges to stick or get these restrictions to go away sooner.
On the other hand a simple and well constructed court filing in federal court could lead to an actual injunction or court order for these emergency executive orders to be reviewed or rewritten or whatever.
No court action will change anything soon enough to matter. Denying sick people medicine is criminally insane. It started with Cuomo and probably at least 40 Governors have repeated that mistake. Citizen's arrest is perfectly legal when we stop a felony in progress. 20,000 at each State Capitol all at the same time insures nobody gets hurt. Our founding Fathers did not sue King George, and they were mostly lawyers. If we want anything to change, we have to change it. Yes, Court actions take years. The lasting changes will come through the Courts. We do this and the rest of our enemies retreat. We get all our rights back, including the right to free and fair elections.
You sound pretty out on a limb on all this stuff. You aren't wrong in that what most of these Governor's signed off on will ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term. We disagree on how we should use the costs and the legal system.
I'm saying we use the courts but we use them correctly. Use the courts like the left does. Whenever the Trump administration has done anything they've gone to a friendly district court and get an injunction. We should do that with these laws. That stops things, at least temporarily.
"Out on a limb" Is that always how you describe a new idea?
"Ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term"
For THE PAST TWO MONTHS!! There is nothing iffy or future about this, and it is crime completed. Unfortunately it's also ongoing. 88% of people on ventilators die. I haven't seen data for total hospitalized. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that ANY infection is better off treated earlier rather than later. Making sick people wait to get medicine until they're half dead and can be admitted to a hospital makes NO sense. There is malice involved.
SD has a IFR of 12 x less than the National average; once you test positive you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study. Guaranteed they're not all following Dr Zulenko's protocol because that gets a 95% reduction. Repeated throughout the entire Country of Brazil.
If I know this, no Governor has an excuse.
There are no "laws" involved. Governors have issued royal decrees. They have no business interfering with a Dr and patient. They have influenced other organizations, including those that discipline Drs and pharmacists. SD demonstrates one Governor can very well make all the difference.
If injunctions need to be filed, file them. We should not be at the mercy of "friendly" Courts.
The most murders I can find anyone convicted of in the US is 8. Very few Governors are responsible for fewer than 8 preventable deaths. Denying sick people medicine is criminal. It's also cruel and unusual. It should be very easy to paint this as against the interests of the Nation and it's people.
There is no way that any state Governor will be convicted of murder or manslaughter charges. That is what I am saying to you. It's like wanting HRC and Obama to be hanged for treason. It's just simply not going to happen. Not sure why I have to spend time explaining this to you.
If you are a true believer then my message is "calm down and slow your roll" because it is more important to stop the bleeding as far as the damage that's already been done and to prevent more damage in the future. I'm not worried about who bears responsibility while people are still suffering and having their civil rights violated.
I would sacrifice any and all fantasies of criminal justice and punitive damages in terms of this issue in favor of a quick and swift resolution and overturning of all barriers that people are suffering from now. You are focusing on the wrong side of this- the punishment side- instead of the resolution/solution side.
Right. The Democrat Party has flown under the guise of "for the working class Americans" for many many decades, and it was all a false song. Democrat voters were manipulated/duped for many many years. We just have pulled the veil back in recent years.
Indeed. Thank you, Internet. Information discovery, information sharing, and easily accessible collaboration from the Internet has brought light to what was once dark/shadowed.
Funny how the lie about Dems being for the working class is being exposed for what it is: a Big Lie.
Why would the party of slavery care about working people anyway?
I used to wonder how they got poor white people to fight for rich white people to have free labor, when rich white people otherwise would have had to hire poor white people.
It was bound to happen but we have seen certain things be stymied by corrupt courts and judges before, so its still a relief that things panned out this way. The case being dropped is also not as great as being defeated in court, but a victory for one is still a victory for all. More of this!
A little bit of weasel words. Maybe they decide later they want to prosecute, so they get some tiny piece of new evidence and prosecute. If they didn't say "at this time" then the defense could say "you had not enough evidence before" and it would work a bit in their favor.
It suggests that what Sabitini is saying is correct; there never was any legal basis to shut down one nonessential business. Every Governor issuing any such order has insane liability, which is exactly what I said when this bs started. Class action lawsuits in every State! (Except the one where the governor isn't guilty of mass murder) Add to that the civil suit of wrongful death of however many thousands of people, plus criminal charges for wrongful death.
These tyrants will die in prison as paupers, either at the end of their life sentences, or at the end of a rope, whichever State law allows for. And if your Governor is good but you've still had problems, look at your Mayor.
The medical statistics NOW coming out prove that there was zero scientific justification to persecute business owners and declare their business non fucking essential. Putting food on the table IS ESSENTIAL.
The government bankrupted their citizens over the flu.
You need to take the rascals to court as soon as they infringe, otherwise it becomes part of life, and when you speak up 20 years later, you become a victim of "Where have you been" syndrome.
But you're right. We need to unwind 90 years of trampling on the constitution. End the fed, end social security, destroy the department of education, stop the federal government giving out student loans, stop subsidizing health insurance and hospitals, stop taxing and subsidizing gas, destroy every regulation and force congress to stop abdicating their responsibility, unwind all the dumb shit equivocation the activists in the supreme court (and the wider Justice branch) have done.
I'm in my 50s and I've been homeless (long story) in California, where I was born and raised, for 5 years. The police occasionally give out citations for sleeping outside, hoping to get you to pay the $260 fine. But I always say I'll go to court, and the case ALWAYS gets dropped, weeks later, by the DA's office just a day or two before my case gets called in court.
This is the first thing I said when the whole lockdown started:
you can't quarantine the healthy.
There is is no legal basis or precedent to shut down even one whole community. Other pedes cited some laws in our favor if we get ticketed or otherwise harassed: here's one of them https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983
Another one on "the color of law" also pertains, and carries stricter penalties up to and including life sentences or death penalty for the LEO. Tell them that and remind them that Nuremburg tells us that "just following orders" is no excuse.
April 1 we entered uncharted territory. We had similar lockdowns in 1918, but only for 2 weeks. The biggest protester was a Catholic Priest. The government Official that responded said "religion that can't wait two weeks isn't worth having."
We need to put these tyrants in their place: jail. To die as paupers.
yep, these orders aren't legally enforceable. never have been.
states are going to start realizing that the cops that are enforcing these with arrests and fines are going to put the state in a compromising financial position.
Most local and State governments haven't made provisions like that. Yet. So far I've only been calling for peaceful physical removal of our Governors from Office, long before November. They start using this as leverage to get people to drop civil suits? (Which their should be ONE class action suit in every State, that everyone can sign on to) Oh fuck no, the only possible response to that is blood on the streets.
Here is the email contact for the store owner, please send him an email thanking him for standing up for freedom and liberty!! just sent him one myself
They dropped their case because they knew from the gecko that it was unconstitutional and got called out for it,,now no penalties for denying a lawful citizen of their rights
I haven't heard this come up much, but aren't all of these state orders pretty easily challenge-able under the concept of "equal protection under the law" (14th amendment).
THE LOGIC:
If it is solid constitutional grounds for me to be able to marry a dude simply because it's legal in another state, why doesn't this apply to freedom of movement and association, etc? Those are much more clearly defined constitutional rights than marrying someone of your choosing. As in I'm standing at the Michigan border with Indiana and 100 yards over there I have a completely different set of (basic) rights.
You would think this would at least force states to go to court and establish some sort of factual basis for their executive orders and put those under scrutiny. Or at the very least we would have fodder against dipshit Gov.'s going forward.
Yes! We need to find out for 100% certain if class action lawsuits have been started in our State, and if not START it; correctly, so that anyone affected can sign onto it.
Mass murder is of course the most serious charge. Deny sick people medicine? That's fucking NUTS. These tyrants need to die as paupers in prison.
Government officials can't actually be liable for violating the Constitutional rights of people, right? I thought they had immunity. Waco, DC's anti 2nd amendment...
You're talking about 2 different things. Civil liability = money, we can sue Governors for their own personal wealth. Unlike cops where We the People just foot the bill.
Criminal liability (like mass murder, which some 40 Governors are guilty of) is a different thing altogether. We need class action lawsuits in every State, and a top notch Constitutional lawyer involved answering these questions, and writing it up so everybody affected can sign on to ONE lawsuit. That's how we win. If we get singled out, they draw the case out forever and make it cost a fortune. That's how we lose.
Do the same for the Sunday River restaurant in Maine! Lord Mills revoked his licenses and shut him down, incredibly fascist, yet libtards cheered and AntiFa is nowhere to be seen 🤔🤔🤔
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Now sue their asses for their assets in compensation for their assault on your civil liberties. Seek Punitive damages at the maximum level ... Salt their world.
There needs to be massive numbers of lawsuits, and not just against the states, but the officials personally. There needs to be actual punitive damages levied against THEIR livelihood, and not just them getting away with paying out taxpayer money.
Rope.
Individual officers who enforce unconstitutional laws need to be sued. Playing Gestapo would get old real fast if they knew their uniform and their "just following orders" excuse won't protect them from financial ruin. The left is constantly using lawsuits to strike fear into their opposition. It's high time the right starts doing the same.
While we can stop LEOs from the unconstitutional bs, unfortunately they are protected from having to bear the financial burden of lawsuits against them. I hope I'm wrong about this. We need class action lawsuits, worded so that everyone affected in the State can share the cost of the one legal action. That's how we win.
We also need to name the Governor; we CAN sue against their own personal wealth. There are maybe 10 that aren't guilty of mass murder.
This is incorrect. Persons who deprive civil rights/liberties can be pursued in civil court/held personally liable for damages. A badge does not protect them. “Just doing my job” or “Following orders” is an insufficient defense.
Correct.
It's called qualified immunity, and violations of CIVIL RIGHTS in particular are kryptonite, legally, to this "qualified immunity."
Correct.
It's called "qualified immunity. It protects police against legal retaliation.
Its krptonite? CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. "Qualified immunity" tends to go out the window ion civil cases where citizens have had their rights clearly violated.
Civil lawsuits against police departments, and INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS.
That's wonderful news, if true! How come the few times Courts have ruled against the Police, it's always the town that winds up paying the settlement, and never the cop?
Example -
You don't need to be a "Constitutional Expert" to have a basic junior high understanding of the bill of rights, especially when the single most important aspect of your job is defending those rights.
It’s my opinion that EVERYone should be Constitutional experts. It takes 30 minutes to read one of the most important documents ever written by man. Yet the amount of people who have never actually taken the time to sit and read the words for themselves, whether they already know how it works or not, is shocking
Your point is well taken. And most of you reading this are too young to understand a classical education in the grade schools. I had one such education. I think it 08th grade; all 20 some kids had to memorize a portion of the US Constitution. The the first student with the opening lines; recited his part. When he stopped the 02nd student took up the refrain; and on to the end. Was it effective? You may judge from the fact, that for me, 08th grade was back in President Ikes' era!
I have yet to hear a cop say that "defending someone's rights" is anything they value.
If you listen when they read you your rights what they're really saying is they think it's their job to get you to say the sky is blue and grass is green, and then twist that around somehow to hurt you with it.
I have yet to hear a cop say anything about "defending someone's rights" being something they value.
I mean.... It seems highly inappropriate to be a law enforcement officer if you don't know the law, right? The Constitution is the highest law of the land.
SCOTUS has ruled on this. Cops can be completely wrong re: the law and they're fine. All they need is something akin to a "sincerely held belief" with a reasonable explanation and they can do no wrong.
Class action lawsuits against the Governor. Draw it up so that everyone affected in the State can sign on. That way we bear the cost among us all, and we win. If we try to do this individually they draw it out forever and run up the cost; that's how they win. Make sure to include the charge of mass murder. Deny sick people medicine? Let the lawyer figure out the proper charge, but they don't get out for that. The most convictions any mass murderer in the US has is 8 murders. Very few Governors are guilty of fewer than 8 preventable deaths.
FLYNN!
Class action, one suit per State ideally. Against the Governor! They need to die in prison as paupers.
If you're in a State that the Governor isn't a mass murderer and is also otherwise ok, of you're still having problems look at your Mayor.
Burn the fields, salt the ashes.
Can you flesh out what exactly you mean by that? If you look at my above post I mention 1 specific, but you might have something else in mind?
Unfortunately there are a lot of protections for sitting representatives and government officials when they are acting in the capacity of their job, no matter how right or wrong their decisions are or their impact.
Basically you can sue for damages but usually not based on a violation of rights until that is already established. A violation of rights means you sue for an injunction and establish that first. States technically have immunity in federal court and so do state actors (commissioners, administrators, etc) under most circumstances in terms of financial damages, it's known as "sovereign state immunity."
You can sue a state in its own court (of claims usually) for damages but this would be more of a situation where you had a civil claim that was tangible financial damage. Something like a city vehicle side swiped your parked car or whatever. They just don't have the jurisdiction to take on civil rights cases in most circumstances and will likely pass the buck or simply reject based on that.
Mass murder is an open and shut case. Lots of legal jargon for it, that's what lawyers are for. There is TONS of evidence that denying a person medicine when they're sick is a bad idea. Any type of infection shares the characteristic that the earlier you treat it, the better. This stuff multiplies and it ain't healthy.
About 40 Governors are denying medicine to sick people until they're in such horrible shape that they need to be admitted to the hospital with CCPvirus. It shouldn't be difficult to realize that this is NOT a good idea, regardless of what sort of treatment is involved. Many people turned away from any medical care when they test positive cannot physically return to get medical care after they think they're in bad enough shape to be admitted. Then they die. Others make it but are too far gone to save, and die.
All those deaths are preventable. All those are directly caused by the Governor. Contrast that to SD, where once you test positive you can get "whatever you need," and are included on a Statewide study. SD has 12 x lower IFR than the National average. Dr Zelnko gets 38 X lower IFR and hospitalizations than the National average. This tells me not everyone in SD is using Dr Z's protocol, but it's not because the Governor has forbidden it. And that Governor has access to all the same information every other Governor does.
The only reason these other Governors deny sick people medicine in a pandemic is because they want to kill as many as possible, and they want the crisis to continue as long as possible. They want you to lose your job and your employer to go under. They want the Fed to bail out State and local governments until the national debt is grotesquely out of whack with gdp, and everybody knows we can never pay it back.
This is the face of evil. Governors are our only visible enemy right now (with the exception of the few States where your Governor is ok but you're still having problems; then you need to focus on your Mayor)
They're just proving the anti-vac people right with this shit. Just not in the way most would think. No sense relying on healthcare when you can't afford or obtain it anyways. Ik I don't.
Heh, funny you should mention that. I haven't had health insurance since 1991.
I don't know about all that man. I know that when the Government starts restricting people's movement and freedom of assembly without due process and without being subjected to the standard of strict constitutional scrutiny, that they are violating our civil rights.
I'm not sure taking it to the "we need to start charging them with murder" level is going to help anything. I mean, murder trials take years just to assemble let alone try and convict in court. Then there are appeals. Certainly seems unrealistic at least as far as actually getting charges to stick or get these restrictions to go away sooner.
On the other hand a simple and well constructed court filing in federal court could lead to an actual injunction or court order for these emergency executive orders to be reviewed or rewritten or whatever.
No court action will change anything soon enough to matter. Denying sick people medicine is criminally insane. It started with Cuomo and probably at least 40 Governors have repeated that mistake. Citizen's arrest is perfectly legal when we stop a felony in progress. 20,000 at each State Capitol all at the same time insures nobody gets hurt. Our founding Fathers did not sue King George, and they were mostly lawyers. If we want anything to change, we have to change it. Yes, Court actions take years. The lasting changes will come through the Courts. We do this and the rest of our enemies retreat. We get all our rights back, including the right to free and fair elections.
Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
You sound pretty out on a limb on all this stuff. You aren't wrong in that what most of these Governor's signed off on will ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term. We disagree on how we should use the costs and the legal system.
I'm saying we use the courts but we use them correctly. Use the courts like the left does. Whenever the Trump administration has done anything they've gone to a friendly district court and get an injunction. We should do that with these laws. That stops things, at least temporarily.
"Out on a limb" Is that always how you describe a new idea?
"Ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term"
For THE PAST TWO MONTHS!! There is nothing iffy or future about this, and it is crime completed. Unfortunately it's also ongoing. 88% of people on ventilators die. I haven't seen data for total hospitalized. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that ANY infection is better off treated earlier rather than later. Making sick people wait to get medicine until they're half dead and can be admitted to a hospital makes NO sense. There is malice involved.
SD has a IFR of 12 x less than the National average; once you test positive you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study. Guaranteed they're not all following Dr Zulenko's protocol because that gets a 95% reduction. Repeated throughout the entire Country of Brazil.
If I know this, no Governor has an excuse.
There are no "laws" involved. Governors have issued royal decrees. They have no business interfering with a Dr and patient. They have influenced other organizations, including those that discipline Drs and pharmacists. SD demonstrates one Governor can very well make all the difference.
If injunctions need to be filed, file them. We should not be at the mercy of "friendly" Courts.
The most murders I can find anyone convicted of in the US is 8. Very few Governors are responsible for fewer than 8 preventable deaths. Denying sick people medicine is criminal. It's also cruel and unusual. It should be very easy to paint this as against the interests of the Nation and it's people.
There is no way that any state Governor will be convicted of murder or manslaughter charges. That is what I am saying to you. It's like wanting HRC and Obama to be hanged for treason. It's just simply not going to happen. Not sure why I have to spend time explaining this to you.
If you are a true believer then my message is "calm down and slow your roll" because it is more important to stop the bleeding as far as the damage that's already been done and to prevent more damage in the future. I'm not worried about who bears responsibility while people are still suffering and having their civil rights violated.
I would sacrifice any and all fantasies of criminal justice and punitive damages in terms of this issue in favor of a quick and swift resolution and overturning of all barriers that people are suffering from now. You are focusing on the wrong side of this- the punishment side- instead of the resolution/solution side.
“These days”?
Right. The Democrat Party has flown under the guise of "for the working class Americans" for many many decades, and it was all a false song. Democrat voters were manipulated/duped for many many years. We just have pulled the veil back in recent years.
Thank you, internet.
Indeed. Thank you, Internet. Information discovery, information sharing, and easily accessible collaboration from the Internet has brought light to what was once dark/shadowed.
Then why isn't there any Union money going to Rs? They still give loads to Ds
One can hope that a silver lining of this lockdown is that many of the NPCs of the left break free of their programming and grow into full patriots.
Funny how the lie about Dems being for the working class is being exposed for what it is: a Big Lie.
Why would the party of slavery care about working people anyway?
I used to wonder how they got poor white people to fight for rich white people to have free labor, when rich white people otherwise would have had to hire poor white people.
Gestapo tactics are not gonna work on millions of people trying to feed their families
See also:
https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-non-essential-business-wins-huge-court-case-against-state-after-refusing-to-close-doors-to-public/
https://thedonald.win/p/FfavYrdo/breaking-nonessential-business-w/c/
It was bound to happen but we have seen certain things be stymied by corrupt courts and judges before, so its still a relief that things panned out this way. The case being dropped is also not as great as being defeated in court, but a victory for one is still a victory for all. More of this!
Read the article and what a ruling. Thanks Pede.
what does "at this time" indicate? Can'tt they prosecute whenever they want then?
A little bit of weasel words. Maybe they decide later they want to prosecute, so they get some tiny piece of new evidence and prosecute. If they didn't say "at this time" then the defense could say "you had not enough evidence before" and it would work a bit in their favor.
Does double jeopardy not apply here?
You can't be tried twice. They didn't try him. There was no trial.
If they try that shit, I hope he makes a HUGE and I mean HUUUUGE fucking spectical out of it....drawing protestors galore outside the courtroom
That makes sense, I think you need an actual not guilty verdict for D.J. to apply.
It suggests that what Sabitini is saying is correct; there never was any legal basis to shut down one nonessential business. Every Governor issuing any such order has insane liability, which is exactly what I said when this bs started. Class action lawsuits in every State! (Except the one where the governor isn't guilty of mass murder) Add to that the civil suit of wrongful death of however many thousands of people, plus criminal charges for wrongful death.
These tyrants will die in prison as paupers, either at the end of their life sentences, or at the end of a rope, whichever State law allows for. And if your Governor is good but you've still had problems, look at your Mayor.
I like your interpretation!
You been reading Sinclair Lewis? He wrote 'bout that in the 1935.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here
(That's a hard-core LIBTARD site, so they think the novel foreshadows Pres. Trump -- recent events put the lie to that.)
P.S. Nice username. I should have grabbed "Your Name Here"
Covers their ass against malicious prosecution.
Galen Wood sounds like a gay porn name. But good for him for standing up for freedom
I see what you did there.
Someone has to stick it to the man
God bless this great attorney.
The medical statistics NOW coming out prove that there was zero scientific justification to persecute business owners and declare their business non fucking essential. Putting food on the table IS ESSENTIAL.
The government bankrupted their citizens over the flu.
Sue these power drunk mothafuckers into oblivion
Exactly. The only businesses staying closed is because they want to. Fuck them, let those business die. That's capitalism.
A video store near my home has never closed. I don't know how they got away with it but I am glad they did.
Nobody noticed they were open.
Video store? Are you a time traveler? 🙃
But do they have CBD products?
So we were right the whole time that you can't infringe the constitution? How odd...
"Can't". Pretty sure my entire life was the undoing of the constitution.
You need to take the rascals to court as soon as they infringe, otherwise it becomes part of life, and when you speak up 20 years later, you become a victim of "Where have you been" syndrome.
But you're right. We need to unwind 90 years of trampling on the constitution. End the fed, end social security, destroy the department of education, stop the federal government giving out student loans, stop subsidizing health insurance and hospitals, stop taxing and subsidizing gas, destroy every regulation and force congress to stop abdicating their responsibility, unwind all the dumb shit equivocation the activists in the supreme court (and the wider Justice branch) have done.
Massive false arrest judgment coming?
Open up small business owners and take my money!
Class Action
That's a weird way of spelling guillotine
I'm in my 50s and I've been homeless (long story) in California, where I was born and raised, for 5 years. The police occasionally give out citations for sleeping outside, hoping to get you to pay the $260 fine. But I always say I'll go to court, and the case ALWAYS gets dropped, weeks later, by the DA's office just a day or two before my case gets called in court.
Let them ticket you! It's a bluff!
This is the first thing I said when the whole lockdown started:
you can't quarantine the healthy.
There is is no legal basis or precedent to shut down even one whole community. Other pedes cited some laws in our favor if we get ticketed or otherwise harassed: here's one of them https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983
Another one on "the color of law" also pertains, and carries stricter penalties up to and including life sentences or death penalty for the LEO. Tell them that and remind them that Nuremburg tells us that "just following orders" is no excuse.
April 1 we entered uncharted territory. We had similar lockdowns in 1918, but only for 2 weeks. The biggest protester was a Catholic Priest. The government Official that responded said "religion that can't wait two weeks isn't worth having."
We need to put these tyrants in their place: jail. To die as paupers.
yep, these orders aren't legally enforceable. never have been.
states are going to start realizing that the cops that are enforcing these with arrests and fines are going to put the state in a compromising financial position.
Most local and State governments haven't made provisions like that. Yet. So far I've only been calling for peaceful physical removal of our Governors from Office, long before November. They start using this as leverage to get people to drop civil suits? (Which their should be ONE class action suit in every State, that everyone can sign on to) Oh fuck no, the only possible response to that is blood on the streets.
This better not be their way of weaseling out of court rulings so they can try this shit again next time China infects the world.
Now do the woman arrested for having a yard sale.
REOPEN AMERICA!!!
Here is the email contact for the store owner, please send him an email thanking him for standing up for freedom and liberty!! just sent him one myself
[email protected]
They dropped their case because they knew from the gecko that it was unconstitutional and got called out for it,,now no penalties for denying a lawful citizen of their rights
Get-go, not gecko.
LOL...Yeah I know
Hey, he sells pool tables and insurance. How is that not essential?
This is prime time for lawyers. Endless open and shut cases along the same degree as this. (Sadly assuming no obama appointed judges presiding)
Open up and start the lawsuits immediately!
Here's the whole story: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/330853-charges-dropped-against-pinellas-business-owner-who-refused-to-close-non-essential-business
I haven't heard this come up much, but aren't all of these state orders pretty easily challenge-able under the concept of "equal protection under the law" (14th amendment).
THE LOGIC:
If it is solid constitutional grounds for me to be able to marry a dude simply because it's legal in another state, why doesn't this apply to freedom of movement and association, etc? Those are much more clearly defined constitutional rights than marrying someone of your choosing. As in I'm standing at the Michigan border with Indiana and 100 yards over there I have a completely different set of (basic) rights.
You would think this would at least force states to go to court and establish some sort of factual basis for their executive orders and put those under scrutiny. Or at the very least we would have fodder against dipshit Gov.'s going forward.
Yes! We need to find out for 100% certain if class action lawsuits have been started in our State, and if not START it; correctly, so that anyone affected can sign onto it.
Mass murder is of course the most serious charge. Deny sick people medicine? That's fucking NUTS. These tyrants need to die as paupers in prison.
Does he get to reopen?
He never closed.
GOOD!
So when he re-opens are they going to arrest him again? You can beat the rap, but can you beat the ride?
I thought the whole thing was them larping as having that power. They knew they didn't.
The legal liability is insane
Government officials can't actually be liable for violating the Constitutional rights of people, right? I thought they had immunity. Waco, DC's anti 2nd amendment...
You're talking about 2 different things. Civil liability = money, we can sue Governors for their own personal wealth. Unlike cops where We the People just foot the bill.
Criminal liability (like mass murder, which some 40 Governors are guilty of) is a different thing altogether. We need class action lawsuits in every State, and a top notch Constitutional lawyer involved answering these questions, and writing it up so everybody affected can sign on to ONE lawsuit. That's how we win. If we get singled out, they draw the case out forever and make it cost a fortune. That's how we lose.
Do the same for the Sunday River restaurant in Maine! Lord Mills revoked his licenses and shut him down, incredibly fascist, yet libtards cheered and AntiFa is nowhere to be seen 🤔🤔🤔
Worst leftist authoritarian overreach episode ever!
Wood even looks like a comic book store guy.
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
How is denying sick people medicine not an attempt to kill?
Twitter Link https://mobile.twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/status/1256349799319851010
The precedent has been set. Meep it coming pedes.
Hmmm. I'm sure that's just a coincidence!
Governor can be sued, but he's a good guy. Mayor can be sued.