I don't know about all that man. I know that when the Government starts restricting people's movement and freedom of assembly without due process and without being subjected to the standard of strict constitutional scrutiny, that they are violating our civil rights.
I'm not sure taking it to the "we need to start charging them with murder" level is going to help anything. I mean, murder trials take years just to assemble let alone try and convict in court. Then there are appeals. Certainly seems unrealistic at least as far as actually getting charges to stick or get these restrictions to go away sooner.
On the other hand a simple and well constructed court filing in federal court could lead to an actual injunction or court order for these emergency executive orders to be reviewed or rewritten or whatever.
No court action will change anything soon enough to matter. Denying sick people medicine is criminally insane. It started with Cuomo and probably at least 40 Governors have repeated that mistake. Citizen's arrest is perfectly legal when we stop a felony in progress. 20,000 at each State Capitol all at the same time insures nobody gets hurt. Our founding Fathers did not sue King George, and they were mostly lawyers. If we want anything to change, we have to change it. Yes, Court actions take years. The lasting changes will come through the Courts. We do this and the rest of our enemies retreat. We get all our rights back, including the right to free and fair elections.
You sound pretty out on a limb on all this stuff. You aren't wrong in that what most of these Governor's signed off on will ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term. We disagree on how we should use the costs and the legal system.
I'm saying we use the courts but we use them correctly. Use the courts like the left does. Whenever the Trump administration has done anything they've gone to a friendly district court and get an injunction. We should do that with these laws. That stops things, at least temporarily.
"Out on a limb" Is that always how you describe a new idea?
"Ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term"
For THE PAST TWO MONTHS!! There is nothing iffy or future about this, and it is crime completed. Unfortunately it's also ongoing. 88% of people on ventilators die. I haven't seen data for total hospitalized. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that ANY infection is better off treated earlier rather than later. Making sick people wait to get medicine until they're half dead and can be admitted to a hospital makes NO sense. There is malice involved.
SD has a IFR of 12 x less than the National average; once you test positive you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study. Guaranteed they're not all following Dr Zulenko's protocol because that gets a 95% reduction. Repeated throughout the entire Country of Brazil.
If I know this, no Governor has an excuse.
There are no "laws" involved. Governors have issued royal decrees. They have no business interfering with a Dr and patient. They have influenced other organizations, including those that discipline Drs and pharmacists. SD demonstrates one Governor can very well make all the difference.
If injunctions need to be filed, file them. We should not be at the mercy of "friendly" Courts.
The most murders I can find anyone convicted of in the US is 8. Very few Governors are responsible for fewer than 8 preventable deaths. Denying sick people medicine is criminal. It's also cruel and unusual. It should be very easy to paint this as against the interests of the Nation and it's people.
There is no way that any state Governor will be convicted of murder or manslaughter charges. That is what I am saying to you. It's like wanting HRC and Obama to be hanged for treason. It's just simply not going to happen. Not sure why I have to spend time explaining this to you.
If you are a true believer then my message is "calm down and slow your roll" because it is more important to stop the bleeding as far as the damage that's already been done and to prevent more damage in the future. I'm not worried about who bears responsibility while people are still suffering and having their civil rights violated.
I would sacrifice any and all fantasies of criminal justice and punitive damages in terms of this issue in favor of a quick and swift resolution and overturning of all barriers that people are suffering from now. You are focusing on the wrong side of this- the punishment side- instead of the resolution/solution side.
I don't know about all that man. I know that when the Government starts restricting people's movement and freedom of assembly without due process and without being subjected to the standard of strict constitutional scrutiny, that they are violating our civil rights.
I'm not sure taking it to the "we need to start charging them with murder" level is going to help anything. I mean, murder trials take years just to assemble let alone try and convict in court. Then there are appeals. Certainly seems unrealistic at least as far as actually getting charges to stick or get these restrictions to go away sooner.
On the other hand a simple and well constructed court filing in federal court could lead to an actual injunction or court order for these emergency executive orders to be reviewed or rewritten or whatever.
No court action will change anything soon enough to matter. Denying sick people medicine is criminally insane. It started with Cuomo and probably at least 40 Governors have repeated that mistake. Citizen's arrest is perfectly legal when we stop a felony in progress. 20,000 at each State Capitol all at the same time insures nobody gets hurt. Our founding Fathers did not sue King George, and they were mostly lawyers. If we want anything to change, we have to change it. Yes, Court actions take years. The lasting changes will come through the Courts. We do this and the rest of our enemies retreat. We get all our rights back, including the right to free and fair elections.
Evil prevails when good men do nothing.
You sound pretty out on a limb on all this stuff. You aren't wrong in that what most of these Governor's signed off on will ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term. We disagree on how we should use the costs and the legal system.
I'm saying we use the courts but we use them correctly. Use the courts like the left does. Whenever the Trump administration has done anything they've gone to a friendly district court and get an injunction. We should do that with these laws. That stops things, at least temporarily.
"Out on a limb" Is that always how you describe a new idea?
"Ultimately cost lives, at least indirectly and in the long term"
For THE PAST TWO MONTHS!! There is nothing iffy or future about this, and it is crime completed. Unfortunately it's also ongoing. 88% of people on ventilators die. I haven't seen data for total hospitalized. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that ANY infection is better off treated earlier rather than later. Making sick people wait to get medicine until they're half dead and can be admitted to a hospital makes NO sense. There is malice involved.
SD has a IFR of 12 x less than the National average; once you test positive you get "whatever you need" and are included in a Statewide study. Guaranteed they're not all following Dr Zulenko's protocol because that gets a 95% reduction. Repeated throughout the entire Country of Brazil.
If I know this, no Governor has an excuse.
There are no "laws" involved. Governors have issued royal decrees. They have no business interfering with a Dr and patient. They have influenced other organizations, including those that discipline Drs and pharmacists. SD demonstrates one Governor can very well make all the difference.
If injunctions need to be filed, file them. We should not be at the mercy of "friendly" Courts.
The most murders I can find anyone convicted of in the US is 8. Very few Governors are responsible for fewer than 8 preventable deaths. Denying sick people medicine is criminal. It's also cruel and unusual. It should be very easy to paint this as against the interests of the Nation and it's people.
There is no way that any state Governor will be convicted of murder or manslaughter charges. That is what I am saying to you. It's like wanting HRC and Obama to be hanged for treason. It's just simply not going to happen. Not sure why I have to spend time explaining this to you.
If you are a true believer then my message is "calm down and slow your roll" because it is more important to stop the bleeding as far as the damage that's already been done and to prevent more damage in the future. I'm not worried about who bears responsibility while people are still suffering and having their civil rights violated.
I would sacrifice any and all fantasies of criminal justice and punitive damages in terms of this issue in favor of a quick and swift resolution and overturning of all barriers that people are suffering from now. You are focusing on the wrong side of this- the punishment side- instead of the resolution/solution side.