To be fair, it could have been. Doubt it, but ive seen weirder shit just laying in the street. (Half broke maniquin with lipstick one time, probably about the weirdest shit ive seen)
Yeah, I peak in windows when I go jogging. This is a medias story as we know can not be believed. And when I was not on duty if I saw a crime like burglary happening I would have shadowed the guy until the uniforms got there too. Probably would not have directly confronted inless their was a life and death issue. We all know the media needs another hands up don't shoot lie.
I was curious how we know where his house is; the most generous estimate I could figure out was that his highschool district (the one he carried a gun into) starts 8.9 from where he was killed. Still a fucking long way to go for a "jog".
Yeah, I definitely don’t trust politician cops like DAs. But this reminds me of a local case. Female cop, had ot out for a guy who she chased over a bad inspection. Shot a mid fifties druggie face down in the snow WHILE she was tazing him. Video comes out and the DA gas to charge her, but knowing that no jury will convict because female cop plays fear for life card.
If you fear for your life when you're tazing a guy face down then you should be in jail. That way someone can always keep an eye on you and keep you safe.
Bryan William was the guy recording, you can read this and do what you want with it. I feel that the DA that wrote is biased as fuck. https://i.maga.host/uN91Qe0.jpg
One thing you can definitely be sure of, this will be used to smear us and Trump.
Biased? He makes factual statements that corroborate what he sees in the video: Arbery comes at the son, a struggle ensues over the gun, and Arbery is shot. He then states, that no laws were broken, Arbery initiated the attack, and that charges should not be filed, as it was self defense.
Yeah, he mentions nothing about what happened before the shooting. Even the two bubbas said they saw him running ad decided to question him. It doesn’t surprise me that the two fat ass bubbas are suspicious of someone running.
Idk, maybe arbery is a piece of shit, we dont know, but if it was legal to kill every piece of shit, it would happen thousands of times a day. These guys are vigilantes, pretty simple. We cant have every redneck with a gun taking justice into their own hands. Ex cop or not, they had no business chasing the guy down and pointing a weapon at him.
Excet the gun wasn't pointed at him until he attacked the younger guy. I agree they shouldn't have been confronting him at all, but looks to me like they were wrestling over the gun and it went off.
If he really was innocent, then that should be his right. If you were stopped by carjackers or muggers, you might try and wrestle a gun away from an attacker.
That's the big question. The D.A.'s letter posted above says these 3 were in "hot pursuit" of a burglar that they first hand saw commit a crime, and also mentions that the dead guy has a criminal history and apparently a history of mental health issues, although those histories are not expounded upon.
Georgia is an open carry State. The son was open carrying his shotgun. When Arbery decided to wrestle the shotgun from the son's hands, the son had a legal right to defend himself - which is clearly what he did.
I don't agree with how any of this unfolded, or with the outcome. As well, did the son actually point the shotgun at Arbery prior to the struggle?
I used to run with a key ring twice a day, every day, while active duty....unless I was on duty (during 36-48-72 hr shifts.) Had an inside pocket on my shorts, but I generally wore them on my dog tag chain. So...I ran with car, house, file, bldg keys. When my daughter was old enough, some miles I ran with a 3-5 y.o. on my shoulders. Good exercise, hell on the knees though.
The father had a holstered hand gun. Why the son had a shotgun out is beyond me.
Regardless, they will be criminally prosecuted whether they broke any laws or not. Their entire family will also get destroyed financially in civil court.
Again, Georgia is an open carry State, and so long as the son was not brandishing the gun, then he was breaking no law, as well, he broke no law by attempting to prevent his weapon from being taken by force.
I'm making no assumptions as to what really happened that day. One thing is for certain: Very poor decisions were made by everyone involved.
Last line spot on. The two bubbas made a very poor decision. They could have just tailed the guy and Let the proper authorities handle it. They look like two losers who thought they were gonna be heros.
Arbery ran up along side the passenger side of the truck, crossed in front to get closer to the driver, then grabbed his shotgun and started punching him in the face. Granted, there would be no duty to retreat for either of them in GA, but he chose to engage instead of turn and run the way he came or, when the truck was between him and the driver, run to the right away from him. It was stupid of those two to give chase while armed and apparently try to detain, but it was also pretty stupid on Arbery's part to engage an armed two-to-one being unarmed.
Plaintiff is going to argue like crazy McMichael provoked an attack then used lethal force (illegal) and defense is going to argue like crazy there was no provocation and it turned into a stand your ground situation. Unfortunately, the bystander fucked up the camera for a second when we would have seen if McMichael ever pointed the shotgun at Arbery before he started running up alongside the passenger side to close the gap.
What would I do? Fucking run, man. I know I would run. Charging at someone holding a shotgun, grabbing the shotgun, and punching him in the face is literally the dumbest option if you can run away. Doesn't matter if I or he was right in the eyes of the law, there's a great chance I'm dying by doing that.
...and a guy hopped out in front of him with shotgun in hand. That’s excessive and intimidating af.
Agreed, but is GA law going to see that as provocation? How else do you carry a shotgun but in-hand? Not like there are a whole lot of shotgun holsters out there. I'm not choosing sides here. If McMichael provoked an attack and then used lethal force, he should go to prison. If Arbery overreacted and turned it into a self-defense situation, well that's a tragic turn of events. The bystander fat-fingering the phone at that crucial moment could very well dictate one party has to endure an injustice.
Had many guns pointed at me and the most recent was outside of my house as I got out of my car. Dude was hidden in the shadow of a tree at 12 AM and put the gun right in my face. Luckily I had my car in neutral as I was gonna check the engine as it ran and quickly shifted into drive and punched it down 2 blocks before slowing. Not for one second did I try to wrestle the gun from him and I know how. This is a clear cut case of a young punk who thought he was hot shit who got caught and tried to intimidate the wrong people. He got what he deserved.
Yeah, and it sounds like it was a full auto scattergun, i would think twice about turning my back on that. From 5’ away, as long as its not pointed at you, you might have a better chance charging, because you really have zero chance running away from 5 or 6 rounds of 00 buckshot.
Why do you think the DA is biased? He recused himself at the request of the victims mother. A biased individual would try to stay on the case to manipulate it. His assessment seems accurate based on the video.
The only reason this didnt proceed further was due to all grand juries being suspended until the end of the shutdown. The video leak was how the GBI was able to get involved.
It's the way he's writing it, it just sounds like he's trying to pass off his opinion to someone else to skew an investigation, or to allude to a desired outcome. IMO.
He's responding to the lead investigator explaining the legal standing of the case. Thats his job as the DA.
I would agree with you if he said to drop the case, but he didnt. He explained that he was going to hand off the case off to another DA because the victims mother requested it. You can't hand it off and request a warrant/summons.
3 guys observing/following a robbery suspect (2 in truck, 1 in vehicle behind with the camera).. suspect 'jogging' down the road must have been aware he was being followed and make a move at one of the guys in the truck with the shotgun. Was he to trust the guys with shotguns yelling at him that he's under arrest? Very plausible that he had suspicions about what was going on. The struggle for the weapon ensued and 3 shots fired, hitting the suspect.
What is probably the only thing we can all agree on is that the story gaining legs in the media with the racial narrative is not accurate.
This happened 3 to 4 months ago. It's not a coincidence it's only getting blown up now. When the media wants to distract you from their corruption and the russia hoax completley unraveling, wheel out the race war stories. What happened to this guy may or may not have been murder, but the death is being used as a laser pointer.
Biden did a "virtual town hall" with many of the black community leaders and called this a "lynching 2020 style" and was more or less implying its because of Trump that people did this.
Completely predictable, and it will only get worse now that its gone viral.
Sounds like the father an ex-cop maybe listened in to a nearby 911 burglary call and literally caught him fleeing the scene...
"On the day of the shooting, and apparently moments before the chase, a neighbor in Satilla Shores called 911, telling the dispatcher that a black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in."
“And he’s running right now,” the man told the dispatcher. “There he goes right now!”
In a separate document, Mr. Barnhill stated that video exists of Mr. Arbery “burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.” In the letter to the police, he cites a separate video of the shooting filmed by a third pursuer.
Mr. Barnhill said this video, which has not been made public, shows Mr. Arbery attacking Travis McMichael after he and his father pulled up to him in their truck.
The video shows Mr. Arbery trying to grab the shotgun from Travis McMichael’s hands, Mr. Barnhill wrote. And that, he argued, amounts to self-defense under Georgia law. Travis McMichael, Mr. Barnhill concluded, “was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”
He noted that it was possible that Mr. Arbery had caused the gun to go off by pulling on it, and pointed to Mr. Arbery’s “mental health records” and prior convictions, which, he said, “help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.”
Mr. Barnhill also wrote that he did not believe there was evidence of a crime, noting that Gregory McMichael and his son had been legally carrying their weapons under Georgia law. And because Mr. Arbery was a “burglary suspect,” the pursuers, who had “solid firsthand probable cause,” were justified in chasing him under the state’s citizen’s arrest law.
Is it actually a crime to go inside a house under construction? I mean, there is not anything to steal there, and there is no evidence he stole anything. People do it out of curiosity all the time. Hell, I've done it. Maybe it is technically trespassing, but I do not think that is a shooting offense.
He wasn't shot for trespassing. He was shot while wrestling an armed man. There was apparently a "string of burglaries" in the neighborhood not just the singular incident. Maybe it was somebody else. But then he was apparently carrying a hammer when he died... I'm not a jogger but I don't think that's common running gear. It's not like you can run comfortably with a hammer in your pocket. But what might be laying around to be swiped on a construction site? Apparently there's video of him "burglarizing". Perhaps a camera picked him up leaving with a hammer he didn't arrive with?
That is true, the McMichaels did not shoot him for his crime - this happened during the struggle.
But I guess my point is that it is not at all clear that Abery was guilty of anything. And as an innocent guy, confronted by a man with a brandished shotgun, why wouldn't he also have the right to defend himself against the perceived threat. The McMichaels son wasn't just walking idly by with his shotgun - he confronted Abery with it, and quite possibly put Abery in fear of his life.
Yea, he seemed like an in your face kind of guy, a guy who doesn't back down. But he was not the one brandishing deadly force. If it was a white dude not backing down to the cops, you may call him anti-establishment, pro constitutional rights. You cannot have a double standard.
This seems like a dude that would not take any shit from anyone, and was brave enough to charge a shotgun rather than be passive and maybe get shot looking.
I am not saying he was a good guy. But coming at him with a gun is on the guy who came at him with a gun.
He had gone up and down the street evading the 911 caller and the guys in the Truck yelling for him to stop. It should have been obvious to him they were trying to apprehend him and not taking the many opportunities to shoot him. Arbery either knew he wasn't the good guy, or he was dangerously stupid. Which may well be the case given his final moments. Either way anybody confronting a criminal or madman should be armed. Committing crime comes with acceptance that it's on him if somebody, cop or otherwise, "comes at him" with a gun.
And of course if you hadn't heard, the police had told the homeowner after the previous thefts that ex-cop neighbor McMichaels was asked to help them out with the matter. So McMichaels wasn't just doing the right thing, he was acting in a semi-official capacity if that matters. Clearly Arbery had no respect for whether someone who won't take his shit wears a badge or or not.
Both parties have the right to perceive the other as a threat I guess, even if one or both are badly mistaken. But there are for sure more mistakes on Arbery's side of the equation. If a black man assumes two random "crackers" are planning to gun him down on the street in broad daylight for nothing but muh racism, it's probably democrats to blame for race-baiting ads of confederate pickup trucks running down brown kids and their constant fear mongering and hate crime hoaxes. Or liberal indoctrination that there aren't good guys with guns. If he believed that, i'm surprised he's "jogging" in a strange neighborhood instead of hiding from the roving lynch mobs.
Then he's charging a man with a shotgun who's talking instead of shooting. They'd driven past him twice while asking him to stop. Seems more like he didn't want to stick around and answer questions than feared for his life. He may have counted on their prolonged apparent unwillingness to shoot him when he went for the gun.
In any case even if Abery badly miscalculated his "self defense" while mistaking their citizens arrest for an oddly restrained drive-by shooting, it doesn't put the McMichaels in the wrong. The police exist in principle so citizens don't have to do the dirty work, not to preclude citizens from policing themselves when necessary as law permits. That's part of the long established but sorely neglected bedrock of our society. Perhaps he was from a democrat run ghetto where snitches get stiches and concerned citizens are unknown?
Perhaps the McMichaels made the mistake thinking that they wouldn't be perceived as the threat of death rather than the threat of justice. Again that was all up to Abery's mindset though, which is what ultimately led to his death either way. Polite society has always required the ability to confront someone with arms, but it was Abery that put himself in jeopardy and not just fear.
Had he ended up killing his pursuers he would not be punished if he was not found to have burglarized anything. And it's well established the McMichaels had no criminal intent and just cause for their attempted arrest, even if it turns out to be an unfortunate mistake. In any case I hope he actually deserved his Darwin award, and wasn't just an unlucky innocent jogger with no faith in his fellow man.
Yes. Trespassing is a crime.... and there is often things to steal. Tools, supplies, copper wiring.... most construction crews try to lock up or take any such things with them when able because theft is so common.
Seriously, tell me something. How old are you? Are you a US citizen? I just want I get an idea of who you are because I feel like so many of your comments lack knowledge that I think is very basic.
The constitutional scholars of the winter who became virologists and epidemiologists in March are now studying for their Google degree in self defense laws.
Who knows what the fuck happened. That's why once I saw that drudge headline I shut off any news to it. It's all propaganda right now and it's not fair to anyone involved
And, this post should get 8000 upvotes but watch, it will fizzle out. No one wants to know the fucking truth anymore. Well, for what its worth, I do. Thanks for posting. Later.
Maybe the ex-cop following knew that having recorded evidence of the event would help with proving that the white guys only wanted to stop him until uniformed cops arrived - but then the black guy went nuts and attacked the armed guy, yanking the shotgun towards himself by the barrel (if the white guys finger was on the trigger and the gun was yanked violently forward, it is going to discharge) and after that it was “fight or die” after that first shot went off.
The one video I watched did not illustrate this.
Prediction: white guys exonerated and race riots sponsored by Sharpton.
Thats the sad part, its going to go on forever. Why the fuck these two retards thought they needed to play cop is beyond me. So he broke into a construction site, probably stealing tools. If so, hes a piece of shit, but that doesnt give two hillbillies the right to execute him.
If it is the same lawyer In the Trevon case, you can bet that this is just the case they picked to forward a political operation.
During the Trevon trial, they put Trevon’s girlfriend on the stand to testify about what she heard on the phone before and during the incident. It was key to the case. Remember her?
That woman was not Trevon’s girlfriend, was not on the phone with him at all. The kicker? They knew she was fake, coached her and put her on the stand anyway.
The real girl who was on the phone refused to testify so they had someone else do it instead.
That woman was not Trevon’s girlfriend, was not on the phone with him at all. The kicker? They knew she was fake, coached her and put her on the stand anyway. The real girl who was on the phone refused to testify so they had someone else do it instead.
I asked that yesterday in different thread. With any viral stuff, my first question is who is filming and why.
Without context there seems to be no reason for them to be filming this. Maybe there was an altercation earlier which would provide some context, but we haven't seen it yet. If that was the case, why didn't they phone 911, instead they filmed it. ?
It really is a good question. But, I can't get past the idea that this father/son was hunting him down the street. I can understand it if Ahmaud just killed their grandmother or something, but I am fairly certain it wasn't anything like that. It looks like a clear case of murder to me. They should be charged, but I am reserving final judgement until all the facts come out.
Why didn't they just call the police and let them handle it?
He wasn’t running away. He ran toward the truck and tried to grab the shotgun, which a) may have caused it to fire and b) gives the shotgun owner the right to use deadly force in self-defense. The men shouldn’t be charged.
Obvious media hoax in the making. This is their one play in their playbook and they just keep using it because idiots fall for it every time.
Ok, imagine a white high school kid doing odd jobs in a black neighborhood. He's walking home and gets chased down by armed black thugs in a souped up caddy. They shoot and kill him. Do you think that the black thugs in that situation should be charged? That is basically what happened here.
We have no evidence this kid committed a crime. He may have defended himself, but he was not the aggressor. The guys in the truck caused this whole situation.
Sorry, I'm not ok with that. You leave it to the professionals UNLESS you or your family's life is at risk. This is ridiculous. I'm beginning to think you guys are leftists trying to get us to take the stupid race bait. Let a jury decide. If they are innocent, they are innocent.
Lots of bootlickers here. Really annoys me the “ex cop” narrative. In my worldview that actually hurts the guy. And he proves me out by arming up and chasing a guy for looking in the window of a construction site. Fuck, i do that all the time.
if Arbery gets the Shotgun away, are you sure he doesn't use it? Or did George Stephanopoulos tell you he was a good kid and if he would have wrestled the gun away he would have just sat down and waited for the cops.
Sure billy Badass shouldn't have been running around trying to play cops and robbers, but once the fight is on for the gun, it's life of death, both acting in self defense. No good outcomes
City folks call it vigilantism. Country folks call it taking charge of a situation. When the cops are around the corner sure call them, but if you live in the middle of nowhere sometimes waiting on the cops isn’t an option.
I don’t know which situation this media induced firestorm is. I’m just saying there are different views on citizens becoming involved with preventing crime.
Im with you man, if these two bozos would have just called the cops and tailed him, the law could have sorted it out. They were obviously trying to probe something, or taking advantage of dads “ex cop” status. Which basically means jack shit.
My guess is dad was either a has been, or never was, but liked to strut around the neighborhood as a protector of sorts. Son was Glomming off dads “ex cop” staus and probably considered himself deputy. Neighbor filming was gomer pyle/barney fife type sidekick. They had no business arming up and chasing the guy for any reason.
But it's also very easy to see it from Arbery's point of view. A guy comes out brandishing a shotgun at him and obviously confronting him. He fears for his life and needs to get control of the situation. He takes an active approach and tries to get control of the weapon.
I think the camera guy following him was somebody he already robbed or somebody from the construction site he was looking at. They followed him and thats why he was running. Our heroes just happen to be on that same road...or maybe they did know the guy filming and setup a blockade to stop him.
What the 2 men did was dumb but not illegal. Pursuit of private arrest under solid first hand probable cause and standing in a road open carrying. They shouldn't have pursued to the point of getting out of the vehicle but it was technically legal... however, Ahmaud literally ran 50 yards on video towards them, changed sides of the road to go around the truck, abruptly turns 90 degrees, crosses the lane again, and grabs a gun that wasn't pointed at him which is evident by the video showing it perpendicular prior to grapple. If you grab someone's gun, expect to get shot. These men will probably go to prison because of a nationwide manufactured outrage mob by the media labeling this as an innocent black jogger getting lynched by white boys. Even gun owners have been applauding it. Not only is this a distraction, it doubles as a racial divide escalation. I've seen countless people on the left and right commenting for public execution of these men. Even if they're declared innocent, they and their families will be harassed for the rest of their lives and the media will use it to whip up the "black community" against the "white community" instead of just letting us all be the American community.
Take these next links with a grain of salt because they don't really matter anyways. Posting these because they've become a hot topic of people arguing if they're real or fake.
Do you often go for an at least 24 mile jog wearing boots?
Dude was allegedly going for an innocent jog yet was 12 miles from where he lived. And he wasn't wearing clothes typical for those running almost a marathon.
The video is grainy and makes it looks like boots. Below is a link.
DO NOT get caught up on boots because unreleased reports will already have this answer and it doesn't make any difference. The only thing that matters is who started the grapple that caused the discharge of firearms. The video shows enough to answer that question.
This is Zimmerman 2.0 and there will be a huge racial propaganda machine set up to exploit it again, just like last time.
Can you say Trayvon Martin??? More here than meets the eye...in light of Flynn exoneration possibly a distraction by deep state???
I agree with the distraction portion. Especially knowing this happened 2 months ago.
He was also "jogging" in work boots and carrying a hammer.
I can't find any mention of that. Do you have a source?
https://imgur.com/a/z5i0bwK https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1588936242034.png
They specifically said he was wearing Nike sneakers.
https://imgur.com/a/z5i0bwK Do those look like sneakers?
Did CNN tell you this?
They sure look like boots to me! The information from the article said the cops said he was wearing Nike sneakers...
Wow. Now it looks reaaaallly fishy...and why would he run toward the parked truck?
He attacked the guy who had the shotgun. He was trying to take the shotgun when he got shot.
This is not included in the narrative.
The guy was also arrested previously for bringing a gun to a highschool basketball game.
There's nothing in the case about him carrying a hammer. Don't push fake news.
https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1588936242034.png
Im sure that hammer was just laying in the middle of the street
To be fair, it could have been. Doubt it, but ive seen weirder shit just laying in the street. (Half broke maniquin with lipstick one time, probably about the weirdest shit ive seen)
Yeah, I peak in windows when I go jogging. This is a medias story as we know can not be believed. And when I was not on duty if I saw a crime like burglary happening I would have shadowed the guy until the uniforms got there too. Probably would not have directly confronted inless their was a life and death issue. We all know the media needs another hands up don't shoot lie.
16 miles from his house.
I was curious how we know where his house is; the most generous estimate I could figure out was that his highschool district (the one he carried a gun into) starts 8.9 from where he was killed. Still a fucking long way to go for a "jog".
It has been confirmed that the person taping was a neighbor of the father and son, lived a few doors down.
DAs letter. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf
Yeah, I definitely don’t trust politician cops like DAs. But this reminds me of a local case. Female cop, had ot out for a guy who she chased over a bad inspection. Shot a mid fifties druggie face down in the snow WHILE she was tazing him. Video comes out and the DA gas to charge her, but knowing that no jury will convict because female cop plays fear for life card.
Thats what Is going to happen here. L
If you fear for your life when you're tazing a guy face down then you should be in jail. That way someone can always keep an eye on you and keep you safe.
Totally agree, thats why female cops should not patrol alone. Put two in a car and pay them each half.
A pede can dream
Bryan William was the guy recording, you can read this and do what you want with it. I feel that the DA that wrote is biased as fuck. https://i.maga.host/uN91Qe0.jpg
One thing you can definitely be sure of, this will be used to smear us and Trump.
Biased? He makes factual statements that corroborate what he sees in the video: Arbery comes at the son, a struggle ensues over the gun, and Arbery is shot. He then states, that no laws were broken, Arbery initiated the attack, and that charges should not be filed, as it was self defense.
Yeah, he mentions nothing about what happened before the shooting. Even the two bubbas said they saw him running ad decided to question him. It doesn’t surprise me that the two fat ass bubbas are suspicious of someone running.
Idk, maybe arbery is a piece of shit, we dont know, but if it was legal to kill every piece of shit, it would happen thousands of times a day. These guys are vigilantes, pretty simple. We cant have every redneck with a gun taking justice into their own hands. Ex cop or not, they had no business chasing the guy down and pointing a weapon at him.
Excet the gun wasn't pointed at him until he attacked the younger guy. I agree they shouldn't have been confronting him at all, but looks to me like they were wrestling over the gun and it went off.
If he really was innocent, then that should be his right. If you were stopped by carjackers or muggers, you might try and wrestle a gun away from an attacker.
That's the big question. The D.A.'s letter posted above says these 3 were in "hot pursuit" of a burglar that they first hand saw commit a crime, and also mentions that the dead guy has a criminal history and apparently a history of mental health issues, although those histories are not expounded upon.
Good analysis.
Georgia is an open carry State. The son was open carrying his shotgun. When Arbery decided to wrestle the shotgun from the son's hands, the son had a legal right to defend himself - which is clearly what he did.
I don't agree with how any of this unfolded, or with the outcome. As well, did the son actually point the shotgun at Arbery prior to the struggle?
So I was out for a run, a few years back, in almost upper middle class Little Falls, NJ...
As I was jogging along, some dude pulled up next to me, yelling something at me.
I took off my headphones. He was saying "Stop! Stop!"
I stopped. "What's wrong?", I asked
"Dude, you dropped your keys about 50 yards back"
"Oh, thanks.."
As I went back to get my keys I put my hand in my pocket and noticed there was a hole in it. The jostling expanded the hole, an the keys fell out.
Now, should I have just ran away from the guy yelling "Stop!"
Or, should I have attacked him?
This Arbery guy first ran from these guys telling him to stop...then turned and attacked the guy with a shot gun.
WHY?
Lame story bro. Who the fuck runs with car keys?
LOL, I usually don't anymore!
I used to run with a key ring twice a day, every day, while active duty....unless I was on duty (during 36-48-72 hr shifts.) Had an inside pocket on my shorts, but I generally wore them on my dog tag chain. So...I ran with car, house, file, bldg keys. When my daughter was old enough, some miles I ran with a 3-5 y.o. on my shoulders. Good exercise, hell on the knees though.
You would attack a guy with a shotgun unarmed? You wouldn't ask what's going on or run away?
Really?
Also, you do realize there's video of the guy entering a property of a home being built "on this jog", right?
And that a neighbor called 911 about him doing this, right?
Again, any innocent person would've just been like "What's up, Fellas?" when confronted.
Common sense.
Also why was he out for a jog in work boots?
The father had a holstered hand gun. Why the son had a shotgun out is beyond me.
Regardless, they will be criminally prosecuted whether they broke any laws or not. Their entire family will also get destroyed financially in civil court.
Again, Georgia is an open carry State, and so long as the son was not brandishing the gun, then he was breaking no law, as well, he broke no law by attempting to prevent his weapon from being taken by force.
I'm making no assumptions as to what really happened that day. One thing is for certain: Very poor decisions were made by everyone involved.
Last line spot on. The two bubbas made a very poor decision. They could have just tailed the guy and Let the proper authorities handle it. They look like two losers who thought they were gonna be heros.
Arbery ran up along side the passenger side of the truck, crossed in front to get closer to the driver, then grabbed his shotgun and started punching him in the face. Granted, there would be no duty to retreat for either of them in GA, but he chose to engage instead of turn and run the way he came or, when the truck was between him and the driver, run to the right away from him. It was stupid of those two to give chase while armed and apparently try to detain, but it was also pretty stupid on Arbery's part to engage an armed two-to-one being unarmed.
Plaintiff is going to argue like crazy McMichael provoked an attack then used lethal force (illegal) and defense is going to argue like crazy there was no provocation and it turned into a stand your ground situation. Unfortunately, the bystander fucked up the camera for a second when we would have seen if McMichael ever pointed the shotgun at Arbery before he started running up alongside the passenger side to close the gap.
What would I do? Fucking run, man. I know I would run. Charging at someone holding a shotgun, grabbing the shotgun, and punching him in the face is literally the dumbest option if you can run away. Doesn't matter if I or he was right in the eyes of the law, there's a great chance I'm dying by doing that.
Agreed, but is GA law going to see that as provocation? How else do you carry a shotgun but in-hand? Not like there are a whole lot of shotgun holsters out there. I'm not choosing sides here. If McMichael provoked an attack and then used lethal force, he should go to prison. If Arbery overreacted and turned it into a self-defense situation, well that's a tragic turn of events. The bystander fat-fingering the phone at that crucial moment could very well dictate one party has to endure an injustice.
Had many guns pointed at me and the most recent was outside of my house as I got out of my car. Dude was hidden in the shadow of a tree at 12 AM and put the gun right in my face. Luckily I had my car in neutral as I was gonna check the engine as it ran and quickly shifted into drive and punched it down 2 blocks before slowing. Not for one second did I try to wrestle the gun from him and I know how. This is a clear cut case of a young punk who thought he was hot shit who got caught and tried to intimidate the wrong people. He got what he deserved.
Yeah, and it sounds like it was a full auto scattergun, i would think twice about turning my back on that. From 5’ away, as long as its not pointed at you, you might have a better chance charging, because you really have zero chance running away from 5 or 6 rounds of 00 buckshot.
Wow that’s a good read. It’s another "hands up don’t shoot" bullshit media narrative in the making while the facts get completely ignored.
Thanks for sharing the DA letter.
Why do you think the DA is biased? He recused himself at the request of the victims mother. A biased individual would try to stay on the case to manipulate it. His assessment seems accurate based on the video.
The only reason this didnt proceed further was due to all grand juries being suspended until the end of the shutdown. The video leak was how the GBI was able to get involved.
It's the way he's writing it, it just sounds like he's trying to pass off his opinion to someone else to skew an investigation, or to allude to a desired outcome. IMO.
He's responding to the lead investigator explaining the legal standing of the case. Thats his job as the DA.
I would agree with you if he said to drop the case, but he didnt. He explained that he was going to hand off the case off to another DA because the victims mother requested it. You can't hand it off and request a warrant/summons.
Oh yeah, the two bubbas look like white supremacists, all they need is to find oit they voted for trump and that will be the story.
Will admit, finally tracked the video on liveleak. Though it does not show the entire incident, it looks pretty damning for the McMichaels.
3 guys observing/following a robbery suspect (2 in truck, 1 in vehicle behind with the camera).. suspect 'jogging' down the road must have been aware he was being followed and make a move at one of the guys in the truck with the shotgun. Was he to trust the guys with shotguns yelling at him that he's under arrest? Very plausible that he had suspicions about what was going on. The struggle for the weapon ensued and 3 shots fired, hitting the suspect.
What is probably the only thing we can all agree on is that the story gaining legs in the media with the racial narrative is not accurate.
This happened 3 to 4 months ago. It's not a coincidence it's only getting blown up now. When the media wants to distract you from their corruption and the russia hoax completley unraveling, wheel out the race war stories. What happened to this guy may or may not have been murder, but the death is being used as a laser pointer.
This guy gets it
Biden did a "virtual town hall" with many of the black community leaders and called this a "lynching 2020 style" and was more or less implying its because of Trump that people did this.
Completely predictable, and it will only get worse now that its gone viral.
Lynching???? Was Juicy Somolyeah there???
Sounds like the father an ex-cop maybe listened in to a nearby 911 burglary call and literally caught him fleeing the scene...
"On the day of the shooting, and apparently moments before the chase, a neighbor in Satilla Shores called 911, telling the dispatcher that a black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in."
“And he’s running right now,” the man told the dispatcher. “There he goes right now!”
In a separate document, Mr. Barnhill stated that video exists of Mr. Arbery “burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.” In the letter to the police, he cites a separate video of the shooting filmed by a third pursuer.
Mr. Barnhill said this video, which has not been made public, shows Mr. Arbery attacking Travis McMichael after he and his father pulled up to him in their truck.
The video shows Mr. Arbery trying to grab the shotgun from Travis McMichael’s hands, Mr. Barnhill wrote. And that, he argued, amounts to self-defense under Georgia law. Travis McMichael, Mr. Barnhill concluded, “was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”
He noted that it was possible that Mr. Arbery had caused the gun to go off by pulling on it, and pointed to Mr. Arbery’s “mental health records” and prior convictions, which, he said, “help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.”
Mr. Barnhill also wrote that he did not believe there was evidence of a crime, noting that Gregory McMichael and his son had been legally carrying their weapons under Georgia law. And because Mr. Arbery was a “burglary suspect,” the pursuers, who had “solid firsthand probable cause,” were justified in chasing him under the state’s citizen’s arrest law.
This is probably the best post on this thread and thank you for sharing.
If they have another video or the complete video, they need to share that shit.
Copypasta from New York Times of all places if you can believe it. Some actual journalism for once.
Is it actually a crime to go inside a house under construction? I mean, there is not anything to steal there, and there is no evidence he stole anything. People do it out of curiosity all the time. Hell, I've done it. Maybe it is technically trespassing, but I do not think that is a shooting offense.
He wasn't shot for trespassing. He was shot while wrestling an armed man. There was apparently a "string of burglaries" in the neighborhood not just the singular incident. Maybe it was somebody else. But then he was apparently carrying a hammer when he died... I'm not a jogger but I don't think that's common running gear. It's not like you can run comfortably with a hammer in your pocket. But what might be laying around to be swiped on a construction site? Apparently there's video of him "burglarizing". Perhaps a camera picked him up leaving with a hammer he didn't arrive with?
That is true, the McMichaels did not shoot him for his crime - this happened during the struggle.
But I guess my point is that it is not at all clear that Abery was guilty of anything. And as an innocent guy, confronted by a man with a brandished shotgun, why wouldn't he also have the right to defend himself against the perceived threat. The McMichaels son wasn't just walking idly by with his shotgun - he confronted Abery with it, and quite possibly put Abery in fear of his life.
A little more insight as to whether Arbery was the sort to charge a shotgun in desperate fear for his life, or if he was the sort to threaten armed men serving justice that "you're gonna get fucked up".
Yea, he seemed like an in your face kind of guy, a guy who doesn't back down. But he was not the one brandishing deadly force. If it was a white dude not backing down to the cops, you may call him anti-establishment, pro constitutional rights. You cannot have a double standard.
This seems like a dude that would not take any shit from anyone, and was brave enough to charge a shotgun rather than be passive and maybe get shot looking.
I am not saying he was a good guy. But coming at him with a gun is on the guy who came at him with a gun.
He had gone up and down the street evading the 911 caller and the guys in the Truck yelling for him to stop. It should have been obvious to him they were trying to apprehend him and not taking the many opportunities to shoot him. Arbery either knew he wasn't the good guy, or he was dangerously stupid. Which may well be the case given his final moments. Either way anybody confronting a criminal or madman should be armed. Committing crime comes with acceptance that it's on him if somebody, cop or otherwise, "comes at him" with a gun.
And of course if you hadn't heard, the police had told the homeowner after the previous thefts that ex-cop neighbor McMichaels was asked to help them out with the matter. So McMichaels wasn't just doing the right thing, he was acting in a semi-official capacity if that matters. Clearly Arbery had no respect for whether someone who won't take his shit wears a badge or or not.
Both parties have the right to perceive the other as a threat I guess, even if one or both are badly mistaken. But there are for sure more mistakes on Arbery's side of the equation. If a black man assumes two random "crackers" are planning to gun him down on the street in broad daylight for nothing but muh racism, it's probably democrats to blame for race-baiting ads of confederate pickup trucks running down brown kids and their constant fear mongering and hate crime hoaxes. Or liberal indoctrination that there aren't good guys with guns. If he believed that, i'm surprised he's "jogging" in a strange neighborhood instead of hiding from the roving lynch mobs.
Then he's charging a man with a shotgun who's talking instead of shooting. They'd driven past him twice while asking him to stop. Seems more like he didn't want to stick around and answer questions than feared for his life. He may have counted on their prolonged apparent unwillingness to shoot him when he went for the gun.
In any case even if Abery badly miscalculated his "self defense" while mistaking their citizens arrest for an oddly restrained drive-by shooting, it doesn't put the McMichaels in the wrong. The police exist in principle so citizens don't have to do the dirty work, not to preclude citizens from policing themselves when necessary as law permits. That's part of the long established but sorely neglected bedrock of our society. Perhaps he was from a democrat run ghetto where snitches get stiches and concerned citizens are unknown?
Perhaps the McMichaels made the mistake thinking that they wouldn't be perceived as the threat of death rather than the threat of justice. Again that was all up to Abery's mindset though, which is what ultimately led to his death either way. Polite society has always required the ability to confront someone with arms, but it was Abery that put himself in jeopardy and not just fear.
Had he ended up killing his pursuers he would not be punished if he was not found to have burglarized anything. And it's well established the McMichaels had no criminal intent and just cause for their attempted arrest, even if it turns out to be an unfortunate mistake. In any case I hope he actually deserved his Darwin award, and wasn't just an unlucky innocent jogger with no faith in his fellow man.
Yes. Trespassing is a crime.... and there is often things to steal. Tools, supplies, copper wiring.... most construction crews try to lock up or take any such things with them when able because theft is so common.
Seriously, tell me something. How old are you? Are you a US citizen? I just want I get an idea of who you are because I feel like so many of your comments lack knowledge that I think is very basic.
As usual the idiots in the basement think they know all.
The constitutional scholars of the winter who became virologists and epidemiologists in March are now studying for their Google degree in self defense laws.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/ Heres some spice for ya. He jogs alot.
Nice. One of my hometown e-rags. Duuuuvalllllll
Good find! I plan to share this!
Who knows what the fuck happened. That's why once I saw that drudge headline I shut off any news to it. It's all propaganda right now and it's not fair to anyone involved
totally agree. i didnt actually go to the page. just saw a screen shot of it. That was enough lol
Too bad the public essentially forced the DA to act
You'd already make a better reporter than 95% of the ones we have.
And, this post should get 8000 upvotes but watch, it will fizzle out. No one wants to know the fucking truth anymore. Well, for what its worth, I do. Thanks for posting. Later.
Some really interesting turn of events here.
Maybe the ex-cop following knew that having recorded evidence of the event would help with proving that the white guys only wanted to stop him until uniformed cops arrived - but then the black guy went nuts and attacked the armed guy, yanking the shotgun towards himself by the barrel (if the white guys finger was on the trigger and the gun was yanked violently forward, it is going to discharge) and after that it was “fight or die” after that first shot went off.
The one video I watched did not illustrate this.
Prediction: white guys exonerated and race riots sponsored by Sharpton.
Yep, get ready for it.
Thats the sad part, its going to go on forever. Why the fuck these two retards thought they needed to play cop is beyond me. So he broke into a construction site, probably stealing tools. If so, hes a piece of shit, but that doesnt give two hillbillies the right to execute him.
Damn that insatiable redneck gun lust! We have to disarm citizens!
ignores inner city shootings, Mexican cartels, and genocidal police states
Let a jury sort out
Not our problem
Garland Texas all over again. “Get em, fuck up Texas!”
and why sit on the video for 3 months?
If it is the same lawyer In the Trevon case, you can bet that this is just the case they picked to forward a political operation. During the Trevon trial, they put Trevon’s girlfriend on the stand to testify about what she heard on the phone before and during the incident. It was key to the case. Remember her? That woman was not Trevon’s girlfriend, was not on the phone with him at all. The kicker? They knew she was fake, coached her and put her on the stand anyway. The real girl who was on the phone refused to testify so they had someone else do it instead.
Thanks, I hadn't heard that.
I asked that yesterday in different thread. With any viral stuff, my first question is who is filming and why.
Without context there seems to be no reason for them to be filming this. Maybe there was an altercation earlier which would provide some context, but we haven't seen it yet. If that was the case, why didn't they phone 911, instead they filmed it. ?
Another president would have already came out and made this a race issue.
It really is a good question. But, I can't get past the idea that this father/son was hunting him down the street. I can understand it if Ahmaud just killed their grandmother or something, but I am fairly certain it wasn't anything like that. It looks like a clear case of murder to me. They should be charged, but I am reserving final judgement until all the facts come out.
Why didn't they just call the police and let them handle it?
Interesting information, but still...
It was an alleged property crime.
The guy was running away and was unarmed.
The father/son brought lethal weapons into the situation and chased him.
I don't care what race any of them were, what they did was wrong and a young man was killed. They should be charged.
He wasn’t running away. He ran toward the truck and tried to grab the shotgun, which a) may have caused it to fire and b) gives the shotgun owner the right to use deadly force in self-defense. The men shouldn’t be charged.
Obvious media hoax in the making. This is their one play in their playbook and they just keep using it because idiots fall for it every time.
He was running away until they confronted him. With a fucking shotgun.
Ok, imagine a white high school kid doing odd jobs in a black neighborhood. He's walking home and gets chased down by armed black thugs in a souped up caddy. They shoot and kill him. Do you think that the black thugs in that situation should be charged? That is basically what happened here.
We have no evidence this kid committed a crime. He may have defended himself, but he was not the aggressor. The guys in the truck caused this whole situation.
Sorry, I'm not ok with that. You leave it to the professionals UNLESS you or your family's life is at risk. This is ridiculous. I'm beginning to think you guys are leftists trying to get us to take the stupid race bait. Let a jury decide. If they are innocent, they are innocent.
Lots of bootlickers here. Really annoys me the “ex cop” narrative. In my worldview that actually hurts the guy. And he proves me out by arming up and chasing a guy for looking in the window of a construction site. Fuck, i do that all the time.
if Arbery gets the Shotgun away, are you sure he doesn't use it? Or did George Stephanopoulos tell you he was a good kid and if he would have wrestled the gun away he would have just sat down and waited for the cops.
Sure billy Badass shouldn't have been running around trying to play cops and robbers, but once the fight is on for the gun, it's life of death, both acting in self defense. No good outcomes
I can somewhat agree with that, but theres a reason why we frown on vigilantism, because of this exact situation.
City folks call it vigilantism. Country folks call it taking charge of a situation. When the cops are around the corner sure call them, but if you live in the middle of nowhere sometimes waiting on the cops isn’t an option.
I don’t know which situation this media induced firestorm is. I’m just saying there are different views on citizens becoming involved with preventing crime.
Im with you man, if these two bozos would have just called the cops and tailed him, the law could have sorted it out. They were obviously trying to probe something, or taking advantage of dads “ex cop” status. Which basically means jack shit.
My guess is dad was either a has been, or never was, but liked to strut around the neighborhood as a protector of sorts. Son was Glomming off dads “ex cop” staus and probably considered himself deputy. Neighbor filming was gomer pyle/barney fife type sidekick. They had no business arming up and chasing the guy for any reason.
But it's also very easy to see it from Arbery's point of view. A guy comes out brandishing a shotgun at him and obviously confronting him. He fears for his life and needs to get control of the situation. He takes an active approach and tries to get control of the weapon.
I think the camera guy following him was somebody he already robbed or somebody from the construction site he was looking at. They followed him and thats why he was running. Our heroes just happen to be on that same road...or maybe they did know the guy filming and setup a blockade to stop him.
Just anther bs distraction. Focus on the big game.
What the 2 men did was dumb but not illegal. Pursuit of private arrest under solid first hand probable cause and standing in a road open carrying. They shouldn't have pursued to the point of getting out of the vehicle but it was technically legal... however, Ahmaud literally ran 50 yards on video towards them, changed sides of the road to go around the truck, abruptly turns 90 degrees, crosses the lane again, and grabs a gun that wasn't pointed at him which is evident by the video showing it perpendicular prior to grapple. If you grab someone's gun, expect to get shot. These men will probably go to prison because of a nationwide manufactured outrage mob by the media labeling this as an innocent black jogger getting lynched by white boys. Even gun owners have been applauding it. Not only is this a distraction, it doubles as a racial divide escalation. I've seen countless people on the left and right commenting for public execution of these men. Even if they're declared innocent, they and their families will be harassed for the rest of their lives and the media will use it to whip up the "black community" against the "white community" instead of just letting us all be the American community.
Video
Old article about Ahmaud Mischief
Police Report (old; investigation still open)
NY Times article (mentions the burglary video)
Daily Best article where Aunt identifies Ahmaud in burglary video
911 calls
Take these next links with a grain of salt because they don't really matter anyways. Posting these because they've become a hot topic of people arguing if they're real or fake.
Possible Boots 1
Possible Boots 2
Possible dropped hammer close to where Ahmaud crossed road before truck
Let’s wait for the facts to trickle before making any hasty judgments.
That other vehicle wasn't just following him it was herding him. Go watch it again.
If you put a > in front of a quote, it highlights it nicely.
It's almost like they were saving it, since this happened a few months ago.
Georgia courts have been shut down coinciding with the lockdown so that's a likely reason for the delay as well.
Good point, but this is no place for reason.
Well the video just came out, so that's the ruckus.
Do you often go for an at least 24 mile jog wearing boots?
Dude was allegedly going for an innocent jog yet was 12 miles from where he lived. And he wasn't wearing clothes typical for those running almost a marathon.
There's more to this story.
Do you have a source for that? I've seen it a lot, but the articles say he was wearing sneakers.
The video is grainy and makes it looks like boots. Below is a link.
DO NOT get caught up on boots because unreleased reports will already have this answer and it doesn't make any difference. The only thing that matters is who started the grapple that caused the discharge of firearms. The video shows enough to answer that question.
Possible Boots 1
Possible Boots 2
Video
Yeah, what would be interesting would be if bubba junior died instead of the alleged burglar. And then what if bubba senior shot alleged burglar?
Ill tell you one thing, bubba would be seriously considering his actions if bubba junior was the dead one.