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uvontheterrible 79 points ago +79 / -0

All the layers of this onion need to be peeled back and people need to be prosecuted.

It Trump can manage this before he leaves office it will be the greatest service any president has ever given to the American people.

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mikejones 27 points ago +32 / -5

People will say concern trolling but it's in the back of our heads. Coronavirus spreading. Under 6 months till election. Gotta make big decisions soon.

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TennesseePride 18 points ago +20 / -2

If it comes down to it, they will cheat openly. They'll do it, they will say they aren't, and they will dare anyone to do anything about it. You aren't concern trolling because it is a real and very serious concern that they will cheat Trump out of a second term.

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mikejones 18 points ago +20 / -2

Trump 2nd term will undo 30+ years.

Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, Robert R. Redfield out to make billions off this virus.

Everyday this is getting more and more insane as it starts spreading within the White House.

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arresthillaryclinton 5 points ago +7 / -2

Bill Gates doesn't need money.

He doesn't want to get arrested for raping children on Epstein's island.

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mikejones 6 points ago +6 / -0

November well vote for freedom or not

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StunLikeAnAntelope 6 points ago +7 / -1

Exactly. We’re just over here relying on our constitutional rights to vote in a fair election. But we are up against the most evil political cabal in our country’s history.

Are the odds really in our favor?

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sunnyingreenfield 5 points ago +6 / -1

They have always cheated. They may be upping the game, but it ain't gonna work

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Mr_Dr_Jullian_Dunbar 1 point ago +1 / -0

You have more faith in the system than I do. Literally saw Mittens steal nomination from Ron Paul and Conservatives. Didn't. Do. Shit.

2018, same shit happened.

Again, nobody important went to prison.

Again, conservatives and RINOS didn't do shit.

With Cali going mail in ballots where are all of based governors at?

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rascalson2020 5 points ago +7 / -2

Coronavirus is not doing shit except in shitholes were it is forced on the vulnerable. And yes it is concern trolling.

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AtariArtist 3 points ago +4 / -1

I was going to say - the worst areas in the US affected are DNC controlled (both infected and in restart dates). Doesn't really shift the vote against President Trump. Hell - it punishes the DNC more than anything.

Think all those closed workers are going to kiss ass the people keeping them from their jobs?

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Feds can print money. The States can't.

The states do unemployment. And they're in a habit of doing it badly . If they managed to restrain themselves from simply lifting 50% right off the top, I'd be in shock.

Mr. The-Original-Bull-in-China-Shop ... with literal War Powers Enacted. With the Printing Press already running ...

As much as people like free shit. They like more shit more. And they hate "Muh, my check is missing".

"No, I'm not passing that bill, it's fucking nuts. How about a nice clean bill where papa gives free shit? Y'all got that first Fed payout right? You know it'll work?"

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AtariArtist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most of the DNC areas have insane rents. Those checks won't be paying much of that. Particularly in CA.

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mikejones 3 points ago +3 / -0

Some new news. The CDC director and the FDA commissioner have both placed themselves in quarantine after contact with someone who tested positive for the coronavirus.

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he will begin a "modified quarantine" after he had low-risk contact with a White House staffer who has coronavirus.

Maybe they all don't have it and things are not getting worse short term.

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Kaiheitai 8 points ago +8 / -0

They attempted a coup, they massacred 500 Trump voters in Las Vegas, they've totaled the country with a plandemic... These fuckers will bring in Chinese troops to takeover Washington, if they have to. They'll nuke DC and say it was terrorism. They are agents of hell.

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ShrikeDeCil 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yes. She's as poorly off, if not worse.

But Hillary is the DNC

The entire set of shenanigans, all of it are because the witch never relinquished control of the DNC "Name list, party loyalty list, and ... Epstein-like material" from when Bill Clinton got it in 1992.

The President normally "gets control of the Party" . And they keep it (while handing day-to-day bullshit to loyal minions) .

The 2008 elections were a bigger internal throwdown on the D side than anything but the 2016 election on the Right. The "We're for Hill!" peeps were worse than the Bernie Bros for muh party unity - BO had to draw them is. My speculation is that she never relinquished the keys as a key part of her price.

  1. BO immediately started "OfA" whose stated mission was basically "Everything the DNC does" ... except your emails go to his peeps.

  2. BO "seized control of the Census for a day", which everyone thought was weird. No coherent defense was ever givien. "Independence" was returned after like a day. Why?

  3. 2016 the Party screwed Bernie...

  4. Now all the shenanigans this time around.

There's only one piece that's pure speculation: Hillary not handing over the levers of the Party to BO

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ShrikeDeCil 4 points ago +4 / -0

I can see that too. But all this waffling around, putting up insane candidates, forcing the entire field of candidates into a party-plank that has as much diversity of a mental shoebox....

That one core thought "She's literally still in control over there, and ... she thinks she's a supra-genius." just explains so much for me.

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sunnyingreenfield 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly this. They had all the candidates to keep everyone on the plantation. She is the plan, she is just trying to delay her entry as long as possible because she knows GEOTUS will own her, every time.

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nutup_orshutup -2 points ago +1 / -3

It's gonna be Mike Obama

Spez. -1 downvotes. Really people? How hard is it to believe that the dems know biden is either a sinking ship or a placeholder. They must have plan B and C options. Use your critical thinking skills folks.

Mike Obama is not an unreasonable option due to how much the media propped her up. S/he’s black, female and a media darling just like Oprah.

I don’t think it is a high percentage, but it is a viable option. Maybe they start her off as VP either with Biden or if he can’t be salvaged, some other safe pick. She actually could make a Cuomo more appealing.

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nutup_orshutup 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah the turn is tabling almost daily

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Isaiah53 35 points ago +35 / -0

It was much more than just illegal surveillance.

The Clinton Foundation laundered several BILLIONS of dollars from enemy nations. Misfud was a Clinton Foundation employee. Misfud was involved in "Russiagate".

The dems are all on the take. Worse, they are stealing hundreds of billions from US taxpayers through "foreign aide", like Ukraine.

And the Bidens and Ukraine are just the tip of a staggering, GLOBAL money laundering operation.

Moreover, the amount of money they have taken from China to sell out our country to the commies is equally shocking.

They only needed the surveillance to see if anyone had figured out what they were/are really doing.

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rooftoptendie 14 points ago +14 / -0

AND THAT MONEY LAUDNERING IS JUST THE WEE TIPPY TIP OF YET ANOTHER ICEBURG. A WAYYYYY UGLIER AND MORE SINISTER ONE.

I guess i should take of the caps lock. I've been toying with shills for keks while I wait for night shift. Sorry.

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leakmouth 6 points ago +6 / -0

Multiple Americans. Seth Rich is just one of hundreds of Arkancide victims

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kekkk 4 points ago +4 / -0

I have really been getting pissed at the Dems and the media lately. Straight treason.

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Chopblock [S] 26 points ago +26 / -0

‘SPYGATE’ WASN’T A SPYING OPERATION, IT WAS A COVER-UP OPERATION: “The NSA database was how political surveillance was being conducted during Obama’s second term in office. However, when the system was flagged, and when NSA Director Mike Rogers shut down “contractor” access to the system, the system users needed to develop another way to get access.

Mike Rogers shuts down access on April 18, 2016. On April 19, 2016, Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson’s wife, Mary Jacoby visits the White House. Immediately thereafter, the DNC and Clinton campaign contract Fusion GPS… who then hire Christopher Steele.

Knowing it was federal “contractors”, outside government with access to the system, doing the unauthorized searches, the question becomes: who were the contractors?

...Essentially anyone the FBI or intelligence apparatus was using could have participated. Crowdstrike was a known FBI contractor; they were also contracted by the DNC. Shawn Henry was the former head of the FBI office in DC and is now the head of Crowdstrike; a rather dubious contractor for the government and a politically connected data security and forensic company. James Comey’s special friend Daniel Richman was an unpaid FBI “special employee” with security access to the database. Nellie Ohr began working for Fusion-GPS on the Trump project in November 2015 and she was a CIA contractor; and it’s entirely likely Glenn Simpson or people within his Fusion-GPS network were also contractors for the intelligence community...

Immediately after NSA flags were raised March 9th; the same intelligence agencies began using confidential human sources (CHS’s) to run into the Trump campaign. By activating intelligence assets like Joseph Mifsud and Stefan Halper the IC (CIA, FBI) and system users had now created an authorized way to continue the same political surveillance operations.

When Donald Trump hired Paul Manafort on March 28, 2016, it was a perfect scenario for those doing the surveillance. Manafort was a known entity to the FBI and was previously under investigation. Paul Manafort’s entry into the Trump orbit was perfect for Glenn Simpson to sell his prior research on Manafort as a Trump-Russia collusion script two weeks later.

The shift from “unauthorized exploitation of the NSA database” to legally authorized exploitation of the NSA database was now in place. This was how they continued the political surveillance. This is the confluence of events that originated “spygate”, or what officially blossomed into the FBI investigation known as “Crossfire Hurricane” on July 31.

If the NSA flags were never raised; and if Director Rogers had never initiated the compliance audit; and if the political contractors were never blocked from access to the database; they would never have needed to create a legal back-door, a justification to retain the surveillance. The political operatives/contractors would have just continued the targeted metadata exploitation.

Once they created the surveillance door, Fusion-GPS was then needed to get the FBI known commodity of Chris Steele activated as a pipeline. Into that pipeline all system users pushed opposition research...

85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012. 2012 is an important date in this database abuse because a network of specific interests is assembled that also shows up in 2016/2017:

Who was 2012 FBI Director? Robert Mueller, who was selected by the FBI group to become special prosecutor in 2017.

Who was Mueller’ chief-of-staff? Aaron Zebley, who became one of the lead lawyers on the Mueller special counsel.

Who was 2012 CIA Director? John Brennan (remember the ouster of Gen Petraeus)

Who was ODNI? James Clapper.

Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure. Who was Defense Secretary? Ash Carter

Who wanted NSA Director Mike Rogers fired in 2016? Brennan, Clapper and Carter. And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment and then lied about the use of the Steele Dossier? The same John Brennan, and James Clapper along with James Comey...

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87: “deliberate decisionmaking“...

The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification for already existing surveillance and spy operations. Fusion-GPS gave them that justification and evidence for a FISA warrant with the Steele Dossier.

Ultimately that’s why the Steele Dossier was so important; without it, the FBI would not have a tool that Mueller needed to continue the investigation of President Trump. In essence by renewing the FISA application, despite them knowing the underlying dossier was junk, the FBI was keeping the surveillance gateway open for Team Mueller to exploit later on.

Additionally, without the Steele Dossier the DOJ and FBI are naked with their FISA-702 abuse”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/09/why-is-obama-panicking-now-the-importance-of-understanding-political-surveillance-in-the-era-of-president-obama/#more-191290

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Chopblock [S] 6 points ago +7 / -1

Remember Snowden said “If there’s information at Siemens that’s beneficial to U.S. national interests - even if it doesn’t have anything to do with national security - then they’ll take that information nevertheless”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-snowden-germany-idUSBREA0P0DE20140126

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OMBOMB 22 points ago +22 / -0

^ THIS

All the unmaskings. How many Pedes among these?

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Chopblock [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

The article addresses that question in two ways:

1.) “We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 10,000 and 99,999 [six digits]... The [six digit] amount (more than 10,000, less than 99,999), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period, November 2015 to April 2016...

“The government reports that it is unable to provide an estimate of the total number of uncompliant queries since 2012, id., there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 to April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high error rate”

The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system.”

So (back of the envelope calculations...)

(n estimate of queries over 6 months period) * (6-month periods going back to 2012)...

Low end = approx. 90,000

High(?) end = approx. 900,000

Keep in mind inside a single query “using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns.”

2.) the article goes into the IRS ‘secret research project’ that involved Tea Party targets (likely ‘pede larvae):

“The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

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aangler100 6 points ago +7 / -1

I was just thinking about #2 today. I WILL NEVER be surprised again at what people will do, NEVER. There is no line they will not cross. We have been asleep as a people, the media advertising has been telling us this was not possible, they are not "news" or "journalism" they are "advertising" and propaganda, the worst, the very worst.

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rooftoptendie 5 points ago +6 / -1

what should we do about it, memefarmer? What do you suggest?

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MemeFarmer -3 points ago +4 / -7

Just tRuSt tHe pLaN. This time it's really happening.

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rooftoptendie 7 points ago +8 / -1

every time you hit send today your level of coherency drops. Do you want to step out for a coffee break, then log into a sock and try again with a fresh start? It's too transparent today.

Do you even care about YOUR mission? Are you TRYING to win over minds? Or are you sperging on your 'board? What youre doing isnt working rn. Take a step back and pretend youre not you. And just read what youre writing. IDK you tell me, do you think it 'works'?

Decidedly low energy.

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MemeFarmer 0 points ago +4 / -4

What, you think I'm some shareblue paid shill? Fuck off, I'm a patriot. I'm just tired of edging for four years.

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rooftoptendie 3 points ago +4 / -1

well, PATRIOT, I think it sounds like you need a nap. When was the last time you ate something with protien in it? Maybe you would like a string cheese or a nice cup of yoplait.

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ShrikeDeCil 16 points ago +16 / -0

It wasn't a "Coverup Operation" either.

It quickly morphed into a literal coup d'etat.

A pure coverup would have been identical until, say, January 2017. And then get "Closed, insufficient" stamped on it. Just precisely like it was on track to have happen

Peter Strok (if you look in the text messages) flat out screams "No! Don't close it yet! Hang on!" ... and gets the ok "From the Seventh Floor" (AKA: Comey-and-higher). That right there was the place to stop even in a coverup. But. That's the precise stop where they started manufacturing more evidence.

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Chopblock [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

Looking at the timelines, particularly around Papadopulous, Assange, Butina, and Flynn, shows clearly that sudden and hasty actions were taken in response to potential dangers of exposure presented as events developed.

Flynn and Sessions had to be cut off from any method of oversight, and PapaD Assange, and Butina from introducing evidence; Charges and investigations, along with the accompanying classifications, were used to accomplish that.

Likewise, the President had to be stymied from interfering with the coverup, stalled from using his title II authority, legally trapped from declassification, and politically paralyzed from cleaning house. So they used the same tools - Charges, investigations, and the classification process.

Remember, they were all happy to let the special counsel drag on indefinitely. The same day it died, impeachment hoax immediately went ‘live’. On the day the doomed impeachment articles were sent to the Senate to die, the first Coronavirus cases were already loaded onto flights headed to the U.S.

Each successive hoax has been designed primarily to stall, not necessarily to win. Nevertheless, I agree that it is an attempted coup d’etat.

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ShrikeDeCil 6 points ago +6 / -0

If I could up-check every single item in this comment I agreed with, there'd be a counter-overflow. :D

The part that's boggling is: This effer is still going on live

Even without any speculation about the origins of our most favorite Chinese import of the year, you can see pieces of it being used directly. "Some internal intelligence reports said it was bad man" ... reports that never made it to the White House. Second fake whistleblower (fired before filing formally -> fake in my book. You don't get your press briefings all lined up in advance man.)

Defective tests? What's that about? Defective gear? What's that about? Critical places getting hit ... when no where else is to that level? What's that about?

I've never seen clearer evidence that a mob can't understand Sun Tzu. I would be a lot more confident if I know precisely what evidence/raid/whatever is going to break the election-rigging that appears to be the sole-remaining plan.

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Chopblock [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

You might enjoy this:

INFORMATION WARFARE: ANATOMY OF A HOAX -- Compares Smollett, Covington, Kavanaugh, Spygate, and Ukraine hoaxes, along the lines of shared characteristic for each.

https://thedonald.win/p/FfWJSZu7/a-thedonaldwin-exclusive--anatom/c/

“Many of these characteristics are hidden from public sight during the initial phases of the hoax. Various tactics are often used at the same time, and a single action can fulfill several characteristics at once. Sometimes the characteristic can only be seen retrospectively, with the hindsight of full information. Therefore, these characteristics are generally organized along the hoaxer's timeline of activity, rather than that of audience awareness.”

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ShrikeDeCil 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wow. Thank you for the work! The number 4008 comes to mind very strongly. I'll re-read carefully.

(Ponders) A fresh "List of suspect News events, updates (today's date)" would seem like it could include a core link to each hoax to accumulated them all in one place. And a fresh "new list today" link wouldn't be spamming.

That makes the long detailed post "Introduction to WTFBBQ" and "HOWTO Report and detail"

We're currently not all that organized or disciplined.

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4moreyears 9 points ago +9 / -0

They used the fake dossier from Fusion GPS to open investigations on the Trump campaign. They sent Glenn Simpson's Russian friend and co-worker Natalia Veselnitskaya, who's visa was personally approves by Loretta Lynch, to Trump Tower to meet with Don Jr. They sent Mifsud to meet with Papadopolous where Mifsud told PapaD that "the Russians have dirt on Hillary Clinton." They tried to get PapD to accept 10k in cash that he claims can be traced back to the Special Counsel. The entire investigation manufactured the "crimes" it set out to uncover. Absolutely disgusting and heads need to roll for it.

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

I included a chunk below (that still doesn't have the key detail I was searching for), but Natalia was "Persona non grata" for awhile - that is, her visa would not clear in any ordinary way. This is why Loretta Lynch had to approve it. And also why it would immediately count as "Colluding with Russia". It isn't that she's Russian - it's that she's on the 'agents' list.

Bongino's Spygate exerpt

Former MI6 spy Christopher Steele was simultaneously working for Fusion GPS where he was researching Russian collusion, and the FBI, where he was presenting his faux evidence. Meanwhile, Fusion had some interesting Russian connections of their own. Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya (from the infamous “Trump Tower” meeting with Donald Trump Jr.) was working with Fusion to defend the firm Prevezon, which had been accused of laundering money for the Russian government. At least one person worked on the Prevezon case and also aided Steele with his dossier, a man named Ed Baumgartner.

It appears as if Veselnitskaya’s meeting with Trump Jr. was just to give the mere appearance of Russian collusion – as evidenced by the fact that she met with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson the day of, and day after the Trump Tower meeting. Simpson claims the two never discussed the meeting, but are we to really believe he was helping Steele “prove” Russian collusion while working with a Russian who just met with Trump’s son, and this meeting didn’t come up in conversation?

Even more suspicious, during the Trump Tower meeting, Veselnitskaya was accompanied by translator Anatoli Samochornov, who was previously an interpreter for Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Barack Obama.

And then there’s who helped organize the meeting; publicist Rob Goldstone at the request of Aras and Emin Agalarov, a father and son duo who knew Trump through the Miss Universe pageants. It was during a 2013 Moscow trip for those pageants that Trump would stay at a Ritz-Carlton (as did the Agalarovs), which would be the location where the fictitious “golden showers” story in Christopher Steele’s dossier allegedly occurred. It’s thus highly likely that the “golden showers” lie originated with the Agalarovs.

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4moreyears 2 points ago +2 / -0

I read Anatoli Samochornov's testimony before congress from the releases yesterday, its suspect as fuck. They are sure to ask him to state that he has never spoken to Glenn Simpson related to Fusion GPS work, and when he gives the answer they are seeking, he is told "Thank you. I appreciate that." As in, "good doggy, say what we told you to say."

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snoopy3210 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't forget Henry Greenberg, a Russian born CIA/FBI asset who wanted the US citizenship. They sent him to entrap Roger Stone. Like Misfud he offered Hillary's emails but in his case he asked for money. Roger Stone refused.

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Pdjco658 4 points ago +4 / -0

i do find it strange that Obama has been super quiet about the whole thing until he comes out he knew about the contents of the Flynn call.

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Chopblock [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Note how the media, Zobama, and the coupcrew have responded to the Flynn revelations solely by doubling down on emotional hysteria terminology and ‘reaction reporting’, rather than addressing any of the facts.

And very few on the right have bothered to note that the ‘false statements’ Flynn pled guilty to were NOT “lies” he told; his plea was based on FALSIFIED EVIDENCE, and he changed his plea as soon as the real notes became available to him (‘original’ 302 reports which showed that he had told them he didn’t remember the conversation, and subsequently forged to reflect an opposite meaning. 302 reports are considered by the court as ‘the canonical record’, so when Flynn saw that the 302s ‘proved’ that he told them he ‘remembered’ he had no choice but to accept that it was a correct account)

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user6395 1 point ago +1 / -0

The "leaked audio" attempt is so poor that I think the traitors are isolated. Barry is useless without all the prep provided for by his team. This is amateur hour. When communications have been blown up, the running of the conspiracy will break down. Reaction to the transcripts by the traitors are scattered and confused -- even though they had months to prep for this eventuality. I like it.

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TruthHunter 3 points ago +3 / -0

The article suggests that some fucking patriot alerted Admiral Mike Rogers (NSA director at the time) to some search fuckery. The Admiral orders an audit that uncovers the incredible NSA database abuse. Without that FUCKING PATRIOT, we're in a Hillary presidency and we're desperately trying to prop open the festering gash where our penis used to be.

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keepwinning 3 points ago +3 / -0

Been my take on it since very early. It's the most plausible explanation for the data set by far.

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kag-2020- 3 points ago +3 / -0

The "Insurance Policy."

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RunningBuffalo 3 points ago +4 / -1

High-level summary of events as I understand them:

  • During the 2016 campaign, there were tens of thousands of unauthorized users accessing the NSA database.
  • An audit caught this activity, and NSA director Mike Rogers greatly restricted access to the database.
  • Those who were using the database to monitor the Trump campaign (unclear exactly who that was; the article only speculates) needed a new way to continue monitoring.
  • Trump hired Paul Manafort, who was previously under FBI investigation.
  • This was used as a fig leaf to get a formal FISA warrant, with the Steele Dossier as the lynchpin of the application.
  • Now Trump could be monitored legally. (Yes, the warrant should never have been granted, which brings the legality back into question, but this was certainly more "by-the-book" than unauthorized access to the NSA database)
  • Apparently they never got any really good dirt on Trump, because they would have used it. But oh well, Hillary was going to win anyway.
  • Hillary loses to Trump. (Lol.)
  • This whole operation should have been shut down and no one would have been the wiser. But anti-Trump fanatics in the intelligence apparatus kept the Manafort investigation open, then briefed Trump on it, then leaked that briefing to the press, and we were off to the races. This was a Hail Mary to cause chaos for the new administration. That it did.
  • But once again Trump gummed up the works by winning a political fight they never expected him to. Now he knows what took place, and he's letting Barr and Durham build up a mountain of evidence, while the guilty parties twist in the wind.
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Chopblock [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

The problem with Manafort is that all his nefarious activity happened with Podesta and Democrats, and they had no good reason to ‘reopen’ that case (until the forged ‘black ledger’ was ‘discovered’ in Ukraine conveniently).

Nevertheless, Fusion GPS owner Glen Simpson had already written an article that included Manafort in 2007 (as oppo publicity to smear Manafort when he ran McStain’s campaign), and he had the most (pretty much the only) connections to dirty Russians that could allow a line to be drawn to Trump. But they didn’t want to make him the actual raison d’etre for ‘Crossfire Hurricane’.

Their solution was to go ahead and use the old article for the meat of the dossier, and then just include other Trump members into the dossier allegations, and start the investigation on the others, and the two best candidates were Papadopolous and Page.

Problem was, Page had already helped the CIA against Russia (and therefore was on record as a willing source of trusted info, negating a justifiable need to minimize privacy intrusions in counter intelligence rules) and Papadopolous didn’t have any believable network of Russian contacts. So they just forged a memo to say Page wasn’t a CIA asset, and then claimed that Page and Papadopolous were somehow working together to allow one to use the other’s contacts (without evidence, of course).

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ShrikeDeCil 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'd really like to see Podesta's Immunity Agreement.

It just screams at me "They told Al Capone to roll over on the busboy for a dime bag for total immunity" sort of thing.

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Chopblock [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

They needed something “new” in the case to justify getting a search warrant. Best of all, they didn’t actually cite the fraudulent ‘black ledger’, they cited reporting about it.

‘Cause, gotta stay honest, right?

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ShrikeDeCil 0 points ago +1 / -1
  1. The name that's supposed to be attached to the unmaskings is Samantha Powers ... but she's flat said "I didn't". So, everyone playing a little coy not knowing if she really did it or someone 'used her name' .

  2. This leads to another entire rabbit-hole, but the core piece is completely true: All the same effing core people were the ones in charge of "Investigating Hillary Clinton's emails and Benghazi". Flynn's case dropped? ... The same day the DNI releases interview of the Cloudstrike employee "Shawn Henry".

It takes some puzzling with a piece of paper to make a timeline - but it fundamentally highlights "This is not an effing Russian hack in the first damn place". The entire Russian hack story is a coverup itself

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user6395 1 point ago +2 / -1

Of course, Samantha Powers could truthfully say "I didn't". I kinda believe it -- she doesn't have all the Iranian ties of Barry's inner circle. She can always claim later that it was a collective administrative decision and her name was used as a placeholder. If she got pulled into the briefings circle, she would probably have had to play along, these are after all, murderous traitors. If their goose is cooked, lower ranking traitors like Powers are going to squeal. Looking forward to them squealing.

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ShrikeDeCil 1 point ago +2 / -1
  1. Comey - The CIA set me up with fake shit
  2. Brennan - Obama made me
  3. Obama...
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snoopy3210 2 points ago +2 / -0

Main point on which Brennan and Obama agreed is that Islamic terrorism doesn't exist, they're all lone wolves. When Flynn targeted radical Islam and then joined the Trump campaign... the Islamic brigade was triggered to the max.

Guess who was Flynn's prosecutor who made threats against his son? Zainab Ahmad.

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ShrikeDeCil 1 point ago +1 / -0

They changed the "Official definitions of the words" around for the FBI/DOJ. This is part of why "Hate crimes are up!"

Yeah. Because a riot of four black kids and four Jews is by definition "eight victims of a hate crime by eight white nationalists".

It doesn't matter if they yelled about the snackbar or anything - it's in there by definition. Wray is a weasel of the first order, but he has a wry grin on his face for several of the questions. "No, that's not Islamic terrorism (because, of course, my orders say it doesn't exist by definition)" Things like that.

Stock - Iran ties. Page - Iran ties. Mueller - Russian ties.

They were triggered well before this. He internally raised hell about Iran/Benghazi/ISIS. They eventually released him. But he was already on their shit list - and there's some inklings that the entire set of shenanigans with FISAs and whatnot is merely a (late) "Oh, um, I guess we should actually try to figure out what protocol should be and ape it, teehee" As in: wildly rampant abuse before the first FISAs.

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snoopy3210 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, Flynn was already targeted in 2014 for his views on radical Islam and his knowledge on the creation of ISIS by the obama admin. They did it by funding/arming sunni extremists that they called "rebels" that would topple the Syrian government. But the rebels soon became more religious and became ISIS.

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ShrikeDeCil 2 points ago +2 / -0

Points at line in former comment "ISIS".

Flynn was targeted well before anything involving Trump was one entire point of my above post. (Sorry if I expressed it in a sloppy fashion. I agree with everything you wrote here.)

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user6395 1 point ago +1 / -0

Runs off to Kenya. Or was it Indonesia... 8-p

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ShrikeDeCil 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wherever the CIA made him passports for.

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aangler100 0 points ago +1 / -1

Your summation is not very good. EVERY ONE SHOULD READ THE ARTICLE, it is not that long.

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aangler100 2 points ago +3 / -1

everyone needs to read CTH every day.

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mikejones 1 point ago +1 / -0

Trump declined to take questions today

President Trump called the press to cover his meeting this evening with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and national security advisers. The president spoke to reporters for inside a crowded Cabinet Room for roughly 30 seconds, took no questions, and then the media was escorted out

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snoopy3210 1 point ago +2 / -1

When Steele build up the dossier, he was still MI6. When the UK government interferes in an election they know it’s risky. So they ask an agent to use his private company to do it and if he gets caught they can claim it was just oppo research done privately and it doesn’t put the government in trouble (orbis is the name of the company they used )

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

It’s doubtful that Steele even wrote most of his ‘dossier’. His role was as a ‘frontman’ they could say was a ‘trusted source’ because the FBI had used him before against FIFA (strangely his info on that earlier case turned out to be junk and wasn’t used, but I guess he remained on the ‘vetted’ list).

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snoopy3210 1 point ago +1 / -0

Steele went around the world to write down his dossier. He met many people and yes, he was integrating stories sometimes previously written by others like one by the Wall Street journal guy of FusionGPS.

These were all little stories invented by others that he aggregated into one dossier.. He grabbed everything he could find from all around the world, including from Ukraine where there was a war backed by Clinton and the Poroshenko government wanted Clinton to win.

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Steele didn’t “travel the world” he sat his fat ass in his London flat and took Democrat money to lie while he soaked in his victory gin.

That he was a ‘Russian expert’ is a fabrication drummed up by early reporting by Spygate media hoaxers to give the preposterous claims ‘legs’.

Even the ‘pee-pee’ tape idea was lifted from an earlier event in Malaysia (Anwar Ibrahim - in a ‘scandal’ tangentially connected to Hillary Clinton - was imprisoned on sodomy charges following a trial in which an allegedly semen-stained mattress was carried into court. Six years later his conviction was overturned)

Their whole idiot crew is dumb and sloppy, lazy and brutish. They’ll be smarter when the stupidest parts get separated from the rest.

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snoopy3210 1 point ago +1 / -0

That he was a ‘Russian expert’ is a fabrication

Steele is a fabulous liar, but he did do some work with FBI-Eurasia and intel in Moscow.

Steele, who worked in Moscow for the Secret Intelligence Service in the 1990s, prepared the 35-page document that alleges the Kremlin colluded with Trump’s presidential campaign staff and that Russian security services have material that could be used to blackmail the President-elect. Meanwhile, Yahoo News reported that Steele has connections to U.S. law enforcement, having worked as a consultant for the FBI’s Eurasian organized-crime section, helping to develop information about ties between suspected Russian gangsters and FIFA.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/former-mi6-officer-produced-donald-trump-russian-dossier-terrified/

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Read up on the non-stop failures of the British (and western) intelligence. Their only achievements have been covering up their massive, repeated failures.

Steele wasn’t on the team that broke the enigma codes; he was on the team that failed to notice the Berlin Wall was about to come down.

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snoopy3210 1 point ago +1 / -0

True he's failed spy, but he's a successful FBI triggerer! He writes stories for the FBI nuts. Do you understand?

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Chopblock [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I... understand

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snoopy3210 0 points ago +1 / -1

Steele is not dumb and even less a "frontman". He is a professional. Just look at the dossier itself. He perfectly mixed false/fabricated information with real information to give credibility to the dossier. Then he used his reputation to make the claims even more credible. The dossier is a professional job and it was assembled by him. Just look at the consequences.

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

“Assembled” is not ‘written by’.

Just put the dossier side by side with this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB117674837248471543

And here is the spreadsheet Nellie Ohr shared with her husband Bruce; You can clearly see how she has placed in one column all the names from the ‘Steele Dossier’ memos and their original source, that 2007 WSJ article “How Lobbyists Help Ex-Soviets Woo Washington” (written by Fusion GPS founders Glenn Simpson and Mary Jacoby, to target Manafort while he worked for the John McCain’s 2008 campaign).

In another column a brief characterization is attached to the name, particularly noting any potential ‘links’ to Trump associates or family members.

A third column, largely empty, shows attempts to find sources that can substantiate the ‘link’.

This spreadsheet demonstrates rather clearly that the ‘evidence’ wasn’t gathered so much as worked backwards to conform to a pre-existing narrative.

Nellie Ohr likely had access to NSA databases through her role as a Russian Translator, CIA researcher, and/or FBI contractor.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/JW-v-DOJ-Ohr-comms-production-6-01854-pgs-300-312.pdf

And Steele’s obviously no genius, his ‘report’ claims were laughed off by his own sub-sources, some sourced info was likely fabricated entirely, and he bollocksed little details like forgetting to format Flynn’s name like all the others when it was (obviously hastily and sloppily) added into the report.

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snoopy3210 1 point ago +1 / -0

This spreadsheet demonstrates rather clearly that the ‘evidence’ wasn’t gathered so much as worked backwards to conform to a pre-existing narrative.

That's EXACTLY my point. He knew what he was doing: writing a narrative compiled from various sources with one goal : trigger the FBI into investigating the Presidential campaign of the opposition. Hillary had the email investigation on her and it was public. It looked bad (and it was). Hillary Clinton / John Podesta wanted the FBI to investigate their opposition. They hired Steele. It worked. They triggered an investigation. The only part that didn't work was that the FBI investigation was not made public during the election to make Trump look bad and swing votes to Hillary Clinton.

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Except ‘superspy’ Steele didn’t write that; a 5’1” little commie lady married to a senior DOJ lawyer squish did.

And it didn’t work through a feat of tradecraft; it worked because they were all dirty, compromised, traitors who thought they’d never have to ‘show their work’.

Otherwise, I completely agree with you, and would only add that the public was mislead through their faith in public institutions, and mindless acceptance of media brainwashing.

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try4gain 1 point ago +1 / -0

100% yes

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Knew but couldn’t prove.

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FliesTheFlag 1 point ago +1 / -0

LOCK

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canadianhere 1 point ago +1 / -0

Somebody toucha my Spygate!

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Trumpdidit 0 points ago +1 / -1

Astonishing,,, fact that we are still waiting for an arrest, is a horrific point of broke down system.

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aangler100 0 points ago +1 / -1

does the media madders talking points memo have copy/paste comment for that eventuality also?

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aangler100 0 points ago +1 / -1

The article also points out the ILLEGAL use of NSA to SPY on americans went back at least to 2012 (when did Snowden go public?)

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

But illegal mass collection of American’s communications is demonstrated further back than 2012 under other programs, going back to 2001 at the LATEST.

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aangler100 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'm pretty sure the NSA database/query as we know it, did not exist in 2001.

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Chopblock [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Look up Total Information Awareness and Stellar Wind.

You don’t think they announced those programs before they started, uh, testing them, do you?

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aangler100 0 points ago +1 / -1

Maybe later, right now there are more important things to do, that is, roll up, Operation Crossfire Hurricane and the lead up to it.

This is TREASON. Treason. It is more important then anything else right now.

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Chopblock [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks, pede!