The difference between musk and gates is that musk isn't trying to conspire with the government to make the chips mandatory, whether or not you think its a bad choice to interface with technology is debatable, and it should be talked about; but musk is working in service of humanity, not himself.
He's a capitalist about it, he's absolutely on our side. People can consent to a chip in their brain. What separates him from people like Bill Gates is that Gates is trying to use the virus as an excuse to have mandatory chips on people with sly language relating to a vaccine. That's some Nazi shit: it's for your safety and everyone else's so you HAVE to do it or you're an enemy of the state. Musk is just a rich dude keeping up with the times and making money while springing humanity forward- there isn't anything more American than that. And frankly, Neuralink sounds like it could be really helpful and I'm excited for it to come to the market. It's no more harmful than plastic surgery- it's not like every woman is mandated fake tits and a huge ass.
Yes, we're eventually going to explore/exist in Deep Space away from Earth; most of us forever...BUT we're not going to do it wearing a deep sea divers suit with an aqualung.
You don't need a man-machine neural interface to run a space ship. Why not just a mouse and keyboard?
Plus the technology may have dangers, who knows what putting a chip in your brain will do. Willing to die 10 years earlier than usual for it? Might not be the healthiest decision.
Big difference between mandatory chipping/ ID and voluntary brain interface implants. Musk sent a tweet with his brain. Some people want to be Ironman. Elon is redpilled AF
This is a very touchy subject, for sure.. HOWEVER, chips can and will solve all sorts of brain problems and injuries. We shouldn't just ignore it because it can (and will) be weaponized.
Voluntary chipping to fix an injury is a lot different than a government mandated ID chip.
I don't know how else to phrase it. At the end of the day, why do you care if it's something people chose to do? Why do their choices, that have no effect on your life what-so-ever, matter to you?
If people WILLINGLY ASK to walk around as half-robotic government drones, let them. That's their choice, not ours.
I was just making a joke. In this case I actually agree with you, and think the logic is sound. Kinda maybe sorta. With the caveat that I know nothing about the particular chip, interface, or abilities it might produce.
One standard of justice is "your rights end where mine begin." This may result in unfair competition, whether at work or school. That's one (hypothetical) objection that could be very substantial. If the only result were bringing healing or restored function to otherwise disabled people? I'd be all for it.
So far this whole topic is purely hypothetical. It's one thing to build a chip, it's another thing entirely to get it to interface with a human brain as designed. Back to jokes, if you remember Max Headroom? The debugging process could be, "interesting."
Dr Ben Carson might have something to say on the topic if he were to study it for a while. Elon Musk, George Soros and Bill mark of the Beast Gates will hopefully not be teaming up on this. I'd be very surprised if Musk has the expertise himself to get it to function as designed. What Drs are involved would be something to scrutinize.
I don't think this will be coming to market soon. Robocop, DARPA super soldiers, nanobots in vaccine, all this is looming as psychopathic potential.
I got you now. I'm too tired to give you the response you deserve, lol. But yes, I remember Max Headroom. The debugging would certainly be fun.
And for sure this is scary. But it also has immense possibility to do good. Anything good has big drawbacks. But also, the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. Definitely a sticky situation.
I'm still in favor of testing the science. Chances are, I'll be against it once the government gets their hands on it because, well.... We know government track record lol.
Nah. just hormone blockers and whatnot. That kid is gonna wish he was back in Zimbabwe smuggling blood diamonds after woke Hollywood gets a hold of him.
I would love to have a go. But she is as you say, "mad as a box of frogs". I've been with plenty of girls like that and in the end, you stop unpacking your overnight bag because you won't be staying the night. I love pussy more than most but I have zero patience for ridiculousness. I'd rather beat off in a sock than cowtow to some silly girl.
ESPECIALLY if she told me she was transitioning her child to be a girl. NOPES THE FUCKS OUT. CALL CPS!
I have a hunch that endearing himself to red-state conservatives like this might be a part of why he's acting this way.
Don't get me wrong, I think he truly believes it when he says these people are acting like petty tyrants and in unconstitutional ways.
But an added bonus is that there are now a whole bunch of folks who will buy cybertrucks, just to own the libs, that perhaps would have never considered it before.
I love when I see people who still have Bernie stickers. It’s hilarious to me. You’re so stupid that you don’t realize you were conned and then you leave the “I’m stupid and I got conned by a politician” on your bumper like it’s a badge of honor. Great way to spot freezing cold IQ temps.
I've always felt like Tesla was the real American electric car. You've got things like the Nissan Leaf available if you want to show off how oh so important the climate change and practicality is to you. I mean why would a good pretend socialist buy an expensive showy Tesla when they don't have to?
Tesla instead said, "wait, electric cars can be cool right?" Ok, let's just make it go fast and look cool and have goofy needless features because why shouldn't we? That's the American way. I've thought about selling my S2000 and getting a Tesla but I don't know if I'll ever do it. I think they are just cool cars with neat tech.
I'm sure I will at some point just kinda waiting it out so will be a couple years down the road. Can't be out doing things that set me up to beg the government and join the bread line the next time a crisis hits.
I didn't think about oil changes, I bet the maintenance is super low. The last time I took my SUV for plain old normal maintenance I about had a heart attack. Car shops have gotten ridiculous so it's back to doing it myself for me.
Do you remember when they projected us to have 22 million infected? Well, we only have 21,900,000 more cases to reach the peak, be patient while the "new normal" takes effect.
Seriously... I live in Arizona and my sister-in-law is a nurse at the hospital. They are so slow and empty that they have furloughed half the staff at the hospital and she is only working 1 day a week. The hospital is like 85% empty. Yet we are still shut down for the most part, for some stupid reason.
The whole thing is insane.
Oh and, none of our hospitals had PPE shortages because unlike terribly run NYC hospitals they were stocked and prepared and were actually shipping supplies to other states that needed it.
Yet, we are still laying off healthcare workers because we are shut down in this state for reasons.
Trump pills cure at 95% rate, with ONE course of treatment. The most effective vaccine ever (polio) is 90% effective but it takes TWO courses of treatment.
Brilliant move by Musk. By going in to work himself, he's positioning himself perfectly to sue the hell out of Alameda county and California both. If they arrest him, the lawsuits will be seen by a fucking Space X rocket in the stratosphere.
Actually he could become a hero. State and County will back down if they have any sense. They have no legal footing. We the People hold ALL the cards here ...
In this case I'm not that radical. I don't think we need to throw off the government entirely, if only because we have DJT at the top, and he's bringing back a few good men. General Flynn being a GREAT start!
We should throw off specific acts of oppression though, and I see no way to do that quickly enough without deposing Governors (and in the few States that have a good Governor, focus on the most tyrannical Mayor)
This is California we're talking about here; they're definitely stupid enough to actually arrest him. I'm sure Elon realizes this, so he probably already has a team of lawyers on stand-by to sue their asses into oblivion for violating his civil rights. It's a win-win situation for him. Either they stand down, and things start to go back to normal... or they arrest him, and then they have to defend the Constitutionality of their draconian measures in court (which will never withstand a legal challenge).
Musks own words: people should neither be compelled to go into work nor compelled to stay home. If you're that concerned about your health, wear a mask, gloves, and practice handwashing/not touching your face when you go out.
I’ve been seeing that argument a lot around the rest of the astroturfing internet: “Go back and work for your corporate overlords and enrich their pockets, Captialist Pig!”
Average Working Person: “So are you going to pay my bills?”
“Bills and rent are tools of the Captialist Patriarchy, refuse to pay them!”
This is how California and the Left is full of homeless people. Fucking morons.
Well his strategy might be to multiply his FU money x 10 if they're stupid enough to walk into his trap and arrest him over this. Then take all CA's money somewhere else and go to the next level.
Ok so then he still wins! He becomes a national hero, and everyone else realizes government can't do shit. Can't quarantine the healthy. Can't close down one whole community.
Can't play God and pretend one business is essential while another is not.
That's too far. You can't force people to break the law, even if it's a bs law. I do think he should stop putting off building that Iron Man suit, cause this would be a great place to use it.
Because he didn't move his factory/manufacturing overnight?
Get off that nonsense. You cant just pop up a factory over night, and it costs millions/billions to build out factories.
Also he only committed to moving HQ, not the plant. Even just the offices will probably take many months to move. When one of my last jobs relocated across country, all office based, it took 4 months.
He also said he would consider moving the manufacturing/plant depending on how the county treated him. Which assuming they go hard/arrest/etc. he absolutely will, but moving that would take years. Scouting land, buildings, retrofitting, getting permits for existing lands, building, transport, getting labor to move or hire new labor...
You realize who you are talking about right? Mr. I think Im going to build a 30,000 dollar electric car on a whim. I think I am going to become a rocket scientist so I can send people to mars guy. There is too much traffic, I think i'm going to start drilling tunnels underground and make a highway system. Trains are slow and suck, I think I am going to create a hyperloop that travels 700 miles an hour in a tube. Internet should be available everywhere, I think i'm going to create a global satellite system that transmits Network to the entire planet. You going to question that guy?
Based African American.
Charlize Theron is not a based African American. She's a Woke African American castrating black boys and dressing them like girls.
Please don't associate this guy with our side. He wants to put chips in our brains
The difference between musk and gates is that musk isn't trying to conspire with the government to make the chips mandatory, whether or not you think its a bad choice to interface with technology is debatable, and it should be talked about; but musk is working in service of humanity, not himself.
He's enjoying those electric car subsidies though
He's a capitalist about it, he's absolutely on our side. People can consent to a chip in their brain. What separates him from people like Bill Gates is that Gates is trying to use the virus as an excuse to have mandatory chips on people with sly language relating to a vaccine. That's some Nazi shit: it's for your safety and everyone else's so you HAVE to do it or you're an enemy of the state. Musk is just a rich dude keeping up with the times and making money while springing humanity forward- there isn't anything more American than that. And frankly, Neuralink sounds like it could be really helpful and I'm excited for it to come to the market. It's no more harmful than plastic surgery- it's not like every woman is mandated fake tits and a huge ass.
I am a transhumanist and will be plugging into the matrix to communicate with my ship.
Unless this whole ascension stuff happens and our bodies become the ships.
Until then Ill believe what I see.
If Elon makes these things and they have no adverse effects, I will start to augment myself.
Its an individual decision and I do believe in God. So don't try with the semantics. Its been a long road thinking about this.
To fly these ships of the future we will have to have a man-machine neural interface.
We will need brave souls willing to risk everything for the technological evolution of mankind.
Smarter, faster, stronger, healthier. Nanobots to rid us from toxins, nanobots to increase oxygen absorption so we can run faster, longer. ect...
Of course these things can be used for evil. Just like a gun, it can be used for good to defend yourself, or evil to hurt others.
All technology needs to be treated for what it is. A tool.
Yes, we're eventually going to explore/exist in Deep Space away from Earth; most of us forever...BUT we're not going to do it wearing a deep sea divers suit with an aqualung.
What would Jethro Tull do? Asking the important questions
Sensational question. Whatever he'd do...he'd stand on one leg doing it.
You don't need a man-machine neural interface to run a space ship. Why not just a mouse and keyboard?
Plus the technology may have dangers, who knows what putting a chip in your brain will do. Willing to die 10 years earlier than usual for it? Might not be the healthiest decision.
"If Elon makes these things and they have no adverse effects, I will start to augment myself."
I would never be part of wave one of a new tech. Too dangerous.
Work out the bugs and lets see what it'll do.
I don't see this kind of stuff for at least 20 years. 2040-2050.
Elons first task is to help disabled people. That will show the world what the technology CAN do.
No different than CCPvirus
There it is. The stupidest thing I'll read all week.
the truth
Big difference between mandatory chipping/ ID and voluntary brain interface implants. Musk sent a tweet with his brain. Some people want to be Ironman. Elon is redpilled AF
This is a very touchy subject, for sure.. HOWEVER, chips can and will solve all sorts of brain problems and injuries. We shouldn't just ignore it because it can (and will) be weaponized.
Voluntary chipping to fix an injury is a lot different than a government mandated ID chip.
"Voluntary chipping"
You make it sound like playing golf
I don't know how else to phrase it. At the end of the day, why do you care if it's something people chose to do? Why do their choices, that have no effect on your life what-so-ever, matter to you?
If people WILLINGLY ASK to walk around as half-robotic government drones, let them. That's their choice, not ours.
I was just making a joke. In this case I actually agree with you, and think the logic is sound. Kinda maybe sorta. With the caveat that I know nothing about the particular chip, interface, or abilities it might produce.
One standard of justice is "your rights end where mine begin." This may result in unfair competition, whether at work or school. That's one (hypothetical) objection that could be very substantial. If the only result were bringing healing or restored function to otherwise disabled people? I'd be all for it.
So far this whole topic is purely hypothetical. It's one thing to build a chip, it's another thing entirely to get it to interface with a human brain as designed. Back to jokes, if you remember Max Headroom? The debugging process could be, "interesting."
Dr Ben Carson might have something to say on the topic if he were to study it for a while. Elon Musk, George Soros and Bill mark of the Beast Gates will hopefully not be teaming up on this. I'd be very surprised if Musk has the expertise himself to get it to function as designed. What Drs are involved would be something to scrutinize.
I don't think this will be coming to market soon. Robocop, DARPA super soldiers, nanobots in vaccine, all this is looming as psychopathic potential.
I got you now. I'm too tired to give you the response you deserve, lol. But yes, I remember Max Headroom. The debugging would certainly be fun.
And for sure this is scary. But it also has immense possibility to do good. Anything good has big drawbacks. But also, the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. Definitely a sticky situation.
I'm still in favor of testing the science. Chances are, I'll be against it once the government gets their hands on it because, well.... We know government track record lol.
LOL!!! ding ding ding!
Charlize Theron is a sick fuck.
Please tell me that psycho bitch didn't cut those kids' dicks off for jollies.
Nah. just hormone blockers and whatnot. That kid is gonna wish he was back in Zimbabwe smuggling blood diamonds after woke Hollywood gets a hold of him.
I love that we call him an African-American - particularly because it riles the leftists!
As for Charlize, I find her superhot, but she's as mad as a box of frogs. Too much Hollyweird exposure will do that to you...
I would love to have a go. But she is as you say, "mad as a box of frogs". I've been with plenty of girls like that and in the end, you stop unpacking your overnight bag because you won't be staying the night. I love pussy more than most but I have zero patience for ridiculousness. I'd rather beat off in a sock than cowtow to some silly girl.
ESPECIALLY if she told me she was transitioning her child to be a girl. NOPES THE FUCKS OUT. CALL CPS!
Never considered buying a Tesla, but now, I just might.
Cybertruck!
I have to buy a truck in the next year or two.
Might as well be a Cybertruck.
I have a hunch that endearing himself to red-state conservatives like this might be a part of why he's acting this way.
Don't get me wrong, I think he truly believes it when he says these people are acting like petty tyrants and in unconstitutional ways.
But an added bonus is that there are now a whole bunch of folks who will buy cybertrucks, just to own the libs, that perhaps would have never considered it before.
Genius tbh.
Who buys full-size trucks? Red state conservatives.
Who buys a Honda Fit or Toyota Prius with a COEXIST and maybe a faded Hillary sticker slapped on the back? Metropolitan liberals.
This thing does look kind of future badass.
https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck
It was basically life changing getting one tbh
I love when I see people who still have Bernie stickers. It’s hilarious to me. You’re so stupid that you don’t realize you were conned and then you leave the “I’m stupid and I got conned by a politician” on your bumper like it’s a badge of honor. Great way to spot freezing cold IQ temps.
I've always felt like Tesla was the real American electric car. You've got things like the Nissan Leaf available if you want to show off how oh so important the climate change and practicality is to you. I mean why would a good pretend socialist buy an expensive showy Tesla when they don't have to?
Tesla instead said, "wait, electric cars can be cool right?" Ok, let's just make it go fast and look cool and have goofy needless features because why shouldn't we? That's the American way. I've thought about selling my S2000 and getting a Tesla but I don't know if I'll ever do it. I think they are just cool cars with neat tech.
I'm sure I will at some point just kinda waiting it out so will be a couple years down the road. Can't be out doing things that set me up to beg the government and join the bread line the next time a crisis hits.
I didn't think about oil changes, I bet the maintenance is super low. The last time I took my SUV for plain old normal maintenance I about had a heart attack. Car shops have gotten ridiculous so it's back to doing it myself for me.
I rode in one once. The acceleration was alarming.
It gave me a whole new outlook on electric cars.
they are sooooo fast
Seriously, man. Just today I thought the very same thing. We absolutely should, just to demonstrate our support for his sanity in the face of tyranny!
me too
American made.
Do you remember when they projected us to have 22 million infected? Well, we only have 21,900,000 more cases to reach the peak, be patient while the "new normal" takes effect.
Im convinced governor fatass of my state is going to keep it going so the state can use it to declare bankruptcy.
Fellow Illinois pede?
Seriously... I live in Arizona and my sister-in-law is a nurse at the hospital. They are so slow and empty that they have furloughed half the staff at the hospital and she is only working 1 day a week. The hospital is like 85% empty. Yet we are still shut down for the most part, for some stupid reason.
The whole thing is insane.
Oh and, none of our hospitals had PPE shortages because unlike terribly run NYC hospitals they were stocked and prepared and were actually shipping supplies to other states that needed it.
Yet, we are still laying off healthcare workers because we are shut down in this state for reasons.
Arizona...the new California. Sad
Even worse, the MSM has conveniently never mentioned this and still assert it is some global catastrophe.
The latest fake news I have heard is that "cases are on the rise", and that the white house is "scrambling" to figure out a solution.
No evidence to support any of it, but that is what the MSM is blasting at full volume right now.
Trump pills cure at 95% rate, with ONE course of treatment. The most effective vaccine ever (polio) is 90% effective but it takes TWO courses of treatment.
MSM put that on reverse blast.
Unfortunately he will never get to go into space because they won't be able to build a rocket with enough payload to lift his balls.
Them are the fuel tanks.
He'd just build a 100 mile long railgun powered by fusion reactors and launch himself.
Sir! We don't have enough thrust to lift your balls into space!
Elon: Just play the Pornhub theme.
Brilliant move by Musk. By going in to work himself, he's positioning himself perfectly to sue the hell out of Alameda county and California both. If they arrest him, the lawsuits will be seen by a fucking Space X rocket in the stratosphere.
Actually he could become a hero. State and County will back down if they have any sense. They have no legal footing. We the People hold ALL the cards here ...
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government
In this case I'm not that radical. I don't think we need to throw off the government entirely, if only because we have DJT at the top, and he's bringing back a few good men. General Flynn being a GREAT start!
We should throw off specific acts of oppression though, and I see no way to do that quickly enough without deposing Governors (and in the few States that have a good Governor, focus on the most tyrannical Mayor)
Elon Reardon!
Go Elon, fk the commies
This is fucking based. We'll see what happens now.
They won’t do shit. Hopefully other companies follow his lead
This is California we're talking about here; they're definitely stupid enough to actually arrest him. I'm sure Elon realizes this, so he probably already has a team of lawyers on stand-by to sue their asses into oblivion for violating his civil rights. It's a win-win situation for him. Either they stand down, and things start to go back to normal... or they arrest him, and then they have to defend the Constitutionality of their draconian measures in court (which will never withstand a legal challenge).
I hope not, Elon's twiiter is getting on par with Trump's!
that exactly the hope. Then this groundswell of businesses opening. They cannot arrest us all!
I wonder if the state can even afford to fight against him in court?
Gauntlet status = Thrown.
Fucks given = Zero
Tyrants = not deposed yet
now this is real resistance to real fascism.
A great African American
The leftist techies are seething over this. "What about the other 90% of workers who refuse to come to work!?!?!?! Is he going to lay them off!!?!?"
I swear they make EVERY effort to shame capitalism and anybody who is proud to run a large company.
Musks own words: people should neither be compelled to go into work nor compelled to stay home. If you're that concerned about your health, wear a mask, gloves, and practice handwashing/not touching your face when you go out.
I imagine that's how he's running his company.
Pretty much.
No one is allowed to succeed. For post-modernists, success is viewed as the result of someone else's exploitation.
I’ve been seeing that argument a lot around the rest of the astroturfing internet: “Go back and work for your corporate overlords and enrich their pockets, Captialist Pig!”
Average Working Person: “So are you going to pay my bills?”
“Bills and rent are tools of the Captialist Patriarchy, refuse to pay them!”
This is how California and the Left is full of homeless people. Fucking morons.
Weird that Tesla was singled out whereas other car companies are allowed to go back to work... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259942334143148033
Well he's the only car company in Commiefornia
Man I'm about to break out in 'Oh say can you see' and I'm just a former Euro Weenie in Australia.
Oh I know it's part PR but still. Fuck Gavin. Bateman.
No brakes!
That’s excellent
true American
I want to work for him.
Best PR move I've seen recently, props.
Fucking yes. About time.
I might have to give these cars another look.
"African American defies Trump's lockdown!" -- CNN
Musk has taken a lot of fire on TD over the years, some of it justified. I have to show the dude major respect for this.
It would be sweet if Gavin Newsom turned him into a Mandela for an end to Aparteid California
oh boy cue the triggering of the snowflakes
Spoiler Alert: Starship is a Gravity Drive
Modern day John Galt.
Now there is a leader!
Does that make African Americans born in Europe African European Americans? 😉
We need to get Antarctica involved.
Elon is one of my favorite African Americans!
come at me bro - elon
I'm 50% offended, and 50% all for him.
What is melting you?
They mobilized their Twitter Army against him. Nothing but a pit of vipers who would fit perfectly in Communist China.. He should have fled the state.
He's not the type to run from a fight. A part of him is enjoying this.
CA AG then proceeds to threaten and attack Musk's family and friends.
Rules for us plebes, not them ruling elites
Great African American
While I commend this move, Musk has been dubious in the past. Everybody's got a shot at doing the right thing but I wouldn't get hopes up.
Damn, hes one of us
Respect. Self-proclaimed Socialist or not. The man deserves the respect.
What happened to pulling out of the state entirely??
Staying and fighting to save that state is better, and he's got the FU money to do exactly that
Thank God and Kek too, since I am not letting that once beautiful state go down into the shithole that the democrats are dragging it to
Well his strategy might be to multiply his FU money x 10 if they're stupid enough to walk into his trap and arrest him over this. Then take all CA's money somewhere else and go to the next level.
Can't do that overnight.
Better bring two extra paddy wagons to haul his balls.
Musk knows that it helps any lawsuit for damages if they arrest him. I doubt they will be that dumb.
Ok so then he still wins! He becomes a national hero, and everyone else realizes government can't do shit. Can't quarantine the healthy. Can't close down one whole community.
Can't play God and pretend one business is essential while another is not.
That's too far. You can't force people to break the law, even if it's a bs law. I do think he should stop putting off building that Iron Man suit, cause this would be a great place to use it.
Remember Black Sabbath, Iron Man
Well so much for him moving production out of CA. Guess he was full of shit when he said that.
Because he didn't move his factory/manufacturing overnight?
Get off that nonsense. You cant just pop up a factory over night, and it costs millions/billions to build out factories.
Also he only committed to moving HQ, not the plant. Even just the offices will probably take many months to move. When one of my last jobs relocated across country, all office based, it took 4 months.
He also said he would consider moving the manufacturing/plant depending on how the county treated him. Which assuming they go hard/arrest/etc. he absolutely will, but moving that would take years. Scouting land, buildings, retrofitting, getting permits for existing lands, building, transport, getting labor to move or hire new labor...
He is moving the HQ. the plant in freemont will stay. Still Cali still loses the taxes if Elon even paid any.
I haven't kept up with it, but someone mentioned yesterday evening that Tesla's Nevada factory might be being expanded to produce cars or parts.
Seriously? It'd take years to move a car production factory.
They can just buy one of GM's.
It's probably infected with UAW-19
You realize who you are talking about right? Mr. I think Im going to build a 30,000 dollar electric car on a whim. I think I am going to become a rocket scientist so I can send people to mars guy. There is too much traffic, I think i'm going to start drilling tunnels underground and make a highway system. Trains are slow and suck, I think I am going to create a hyperloop that travels 700 miles an hour in a tube. Internet should be available everywhere, I think i'm going to create a global satellite system that transmits Network to the entire planet. You going to question that guy?