A good indicator is that you are already in NY state-run nursing home/hospice. Imagine the horror of a state-run nursing home before the virus. Now tell the hospice that they get $40K per case if they jam a tube down your throat and explode your lungs.
The focus should have been on nursing homes from the beginning, but instead, Cuomo literally sends COVID patients to nursing homes, to spread the virus like the plague. Defies belief, really.
County in upstate NY where I work had, as of yesterday, 25 deaths from the virus. The official county website says that prior to getting sick: 19 lived in nursing homes, 4 in assisted living facilities and 2 in a house/apartment.
In terms of infections, there have been 199 total. 98 of them were in nursing homes, 11 in assisted living facilities, and 90 in the community.
So, we're talking 55% of infections and 92% of deaths in nursing home/assisted living facilities. Really makes you think.
I think a mass shutdown really was needed for a short time, to "flatten the curve" and ensure that people like your relative were able to access the intensive hospital care they needed in order to survive, to give researchers time to learn more about the virus and currently available treatments, and to create awareness in the more slow-witted segments of our society (I currently have a tenant -- a retired factory worker -- who definitely falls into that category, and it's been a real eye-opener for me). But I do think that the benefit period for the mass shutdown has expired, and it should now be limited to a few extreme hotspots.
I sort of agree with this sentiment. There's currently 2 studies I'm aware of. There's the Chinese one which suggests that Remdesivir didn't show any effect, but it's Chinese. Then there's the randomized controlled trial we did here in the US that Fauci was claiming showed all manner of success, but the only difference was that it showed a reduced recovery time--the patient outcome in terms of mortality rates weren't statistically significant.
I'd like to believe Remdesivir is helping critically sick patients, but the hard data doesn't seem to demonstrate this as reality.
From the information available so far, it appears that hydroxychloroquine is quite effective as a preventive and for very mild cases. Remdesivir is substantially more effective than hydroxychloroquine for more severe cases, but still not anything like a sure cure.
And to think, 70% of American immigrants came from these places before the Hart-Celler Act of 1965 (written by Jews, voted into effect by both parties).
In reality, those "American immigrants" were Germans running from their destroyed country/Europe. Prior to the world wars, Germany was the science hub of the world, and that included many Jewish scientists. A couple of rowdy wars put an end to that and moved the hub to the USA, and those great minds followed, some because they had no other choice.
Agree about frens, but don't fall for the "anti-semite" censorship meme. This is America, we say what we think, and criticize individuals or groups that we feel need criticizing.
Doesn't mean you hate anybody. Americans just call bullshit when we see it.
He called jews worse than the fleas that plagued them in the concentration camps. It was a pretty awful post. I'm not for censorship either. He deleted his own post.
Agreed. We are stronger together. We get enough racism (black lives matter, etc.) and BS identity politics as it is. Trump is a threat to their division. He loves people.
I’m pretty sure one of the main reasons I’m in such good shape on this front is because of the garbage I put into my system while serving. Let’s see - burning trash/sewage, lead, copious amounts of dip and cigarettes, questionable energy drinks... the list goes on and on.
kek, I don't smoke, did for about 3 months as a 13 yr old but then quit. Smoked a few joints in my teens but then stopped. However, I don't think I'll ever stop my one a day energy drink. I did go down from 2 a day a few years ago. I dont' see any reason I should. I used to drink a ton of soda but no longer. Just that one sweet sweet energy drink at lunch every day.
Oh god see I was the other way. Got so used to functioning for days at a time because of caffeine drinks and supplements that once home I would wake up, drink an energy drink at 3AM then pass back out. I’m down to one a day as well. I was absolutely desensitized. Also some of those foreign energy drinks were interesting. Wild Tiger anyone?
Be careful about that burning trash/sewage. Not sure how old you are, but my dad served in the Marines and was in great shape until he got older and pulmonary fibrosis set in. Watch your breathing. Be on top of it.
It's scary how little attention this has gotten. I get that public officials aren't eager to say anything that's going to promote smoking, but there needs to be urgent research into the mechanism of this protective action, because it's quite likely that it can be replicated to a significant degree without having people actually smoke. The nitric oxide content of cigarette smoke is at the root of one suspected mechanism, and it's one that could be replicated to some degree, e.g. in break rooms for hospital workers, and in the work areas of meat processing plants.
Autopsies are time-consuming. This article doesn't mention how many actual autopsies vs. external and historical examination, but if there were many cases I can't imagine they were all autopsied. Yet this would be the only way I can see to settle a lot of arguments, e.g. yearly flu death numbers are probably as erroneous as current COVID-19 numbers, which is another reason that comparing the two is iffy.
How about we stop trying to find context in the numbers? Sweden didn't lock down and is doing just as well or better than most other infected countries. Every time we debate numbers we kind of are implying that the lockdowns are some proven way to lower them. This is not proven anywhere. Places like Italy and Spain have had massive lockdowns and it has not stopped it at all. Deaths are only going down because all the old and unhealthy people have now been killed off.
Any time I bring up places that didn’t lockdown, or locked down less, are doing about the same as everywhere, I get vapid responses like “YOU DON’T KNOW.” I don’t know what? And they do? Or you get people claiming to be ‘nurses’ advising people this and that, then actual medical folks chime in and say “our hospitals are ghost towns here.”
To date the only things I hear supporting the lockdown are whiny moral statements, like someone saying they’d lockdown the world if it saved one life. I read that and think “so you’re a special kind of stupid then?”
They just keep kicking the can down the street and are running out of excuses to make. It’s never anyone you’d respect or want to be like saying it, either. Always manchilds and weirdos and male feminists and purple hair folks. And they know they’re right because they read it on the ‘news’.
the Chineese flu was engineered by the chineese to decimate the worlds population of "undesirable" types when viewed through the lens of "the government needs to take care of all of these people and can't so who do we get rid of" sort of way...
It’s exceedingly difficult to ‘engineer’ a virus, via direct genetic manipulation, to behave in a prescribed way, without breaking it. AFAIK it has never been done.
Floating out there in the population are millions of uncategorized harmless viruses, that basically do nothing. Isolate one of these with a PCR test, give it a name, call it ‘novel’. Flood the media and social media with videos of people fainting in the street, people being welded into their houses, ‘missing doctors’; buy off the WHO, infiltrate the local governments and universities. Have corrupt globalist companies cooperate. Aim the propaganda at the west and you have your ‘pandemic’, (and a ‘perfect’ economic weapon)
It’s exceedingly difficult to ‘engineer’ a virus, via direct genetic manipulation, to behave in a prescribed way, without breaking it. AFAIK it has never been done.
Far, far better scientists than the Chicoms, namely the Japanese, the Russians, and America, have tried and failed.
Floating out there in the population are millions of uncategorized harmless viruses, that basically do nothing. Isolate one of these with a PCR test, give it a name, call in ‘novel’. Flood the media and social media with videos of people fainting in the street, people being welded into their houses, ‘missing doctors’; buy off the WHO, infiltrate the local governments and universities. Have corrupt globalist companies cooperate. Aim the propaganda at the west and you have your ‘pandemic’, (and a ‘perfect’ economic weapon)
This. The virus is the flu at worst. The real danger is in the insane overrreaction.
That’s not how this works lmao. If you are going to present a hypothesis, you provide some evidence to back it up and give credibility to your claim. You don’t say “give me evidence to the contrary or else my claim holds.” Come on, centipede
My unprofessional opinion is that coronavirus are everywhere, usually result in a cold if caught, and sometimes are one of the opportunistic infections that ultimately kills very sick nursing home patients. Before the planned-Dem-ic, people who died from it would have a diagnoses along the lines of "viral pneumonia unspecified". So basically Bill Gates invented a test for this specific version of the virus, and now the Globalists/MSM are frightening the shit out of everybody over some pussy-ass infection that has been with mankind (and frankly every mammal) for thousands, if not millions, of years.
Again, this is just speculation based on what I have seen so far. I'm not a doctor. I'm not even a dentist.
-So, a bad flu or pneumonia, improperly treated would have done them in- the same way Jim Henderson[creator of the Muppets] died. A malaria infection would have killed these same people.
In the first SARS, A good percentage of people had cascading health problems for the following years after their infections.
Seems like it would have been a hell of a lot easier to quarantine the high risk people rather than the entire world. Except for the fatties (myself included although not morbidly) . Too many of those to quarantine without still breaking the economy. Lose weight and get back to work
The actual list of co-morbidities included diabetes and cardiovascular disease. With those included, and given the age range of most patients who die from COVID-19, this is hardly surprising, since the overwhelming majority of people in that age range have at least one of those conditions. So this isn't some significant new finding; it's more along the lines of stating the obvious, like saying that all people who died of COVID-19 had gray hair and wrinkled skin.
Almost as if the COVID-1984 virus has been carefully engineered by communist minds as the perfect Society Cleanser. It removes only people who are old and sick, unburdening society of a whole lot of dead weight, complainers, diseased useless eaters, and disproportionate consumers of medical services and supplies. Without the excess human baggage, there's more stuff to redistribute to good (i.e., younger, working, taxpaying) people instead.
This is how they view us. Humans are cattle, sheep, dogs, workhorses, fuckbunnies, and occasionally, lunch.
A good indicator is that you are already in NY state-run nursing home/hospice. Imagine the horror of a state-run nursing home before the virus. Now tell the hospice that they get $40K per case if they jam a tube down your throat and explode your lungs.
We have the best recovered Pedes, don’t we folks!?
County in upstate NY where I work had, as of yesterday, 25 deaths from the virus. The official county website says that prior to getting sick: 19 lived in nursing homes, 4 in assisted living facilities and 2 in a house/apartment.
In terms of infections, there have been 199 total. 98 of them were in nursing homes, 11 in assisted living facilities, and 90 in the community.
So, we're talking 55% of infections and 92% of deaths in nursing home/assisted living facilities. Really makes you think.
i'm glad for your relative. that was scary close to something bad
I think a mass shutdown really was needed for a short time, to "flatten the curve" and ensure that people like your relative were able to access the intensive hospital care they needed in order to survive, to give researchers time to learn more about the virus and currently available treatments, and to create awareness in the more slow-witted segments of our society (I currently have a tenant -- a retired factory worker -- who definitely falls into that category, and it's been a real eye-opener for me). But I do think that the benefit period for the mass shutdown has expired, and it should now be limited to a few extreme hotspots.
Why even go to the hospital if you are moderately healthy? Unless they'll give you HCQ and zinc, might as well stay home.
Remdesivir is really beneficial for serious cases, and can only be administered intravenously.
[X] Doubt
I sort of agree with this sentiment. There's currently 2 studies I'm aware of. There's the Chinese one which suggests that Remdesivir didn't show any effect, but it's Chinese. Then there's the randomized controlled trial we did here in the US that Fauci was claiming showed all manner of success, but the only difference was that it showed a reduced recovery time--the patient outcome in terms of mortality rates weren't statistically significant.
I'd like to believe Remdesivir is helping critically sick patients, but the hard data doesn't seem to demonstrate this as reality.
i don't know. Is it really more effective than HCQ, Z Pak and Zinc? Or is it more effective because it costs a fortune?
From the information available so far, it appears that hydroxychloroquine is quite effective as a preventive and for very mild cases. Remdesivir is substantially more effective than hydroxychloroquine for more severe cases, but still not anything like a sure cure.
That's because the oil was following stay at home orders bigot!
And to think, 70% of American immigrants came from these places before the Hart-Celler Act of 1965 (written by Jews, voted into effect by both parties).
Glad we fixed that!
In reality, those "American immigrants" were Germans running from their destroyed country/Europe. Prior to the world wars, Germany was the science hub of the world, and that included many Jewish scientists. A couple of rowdy wars put an end to that and moved the hub to the USA, and those great minds followed, some because they had no other choice.
I think you stumbled onto the wrong website. We don't tolerate anti-semites here. Only frens. GTFO.
Agree about frens, but don't fall for the "anti-semite" censorship meme. This is America, we say what we think, and criticize individuals or groups that we feel need criticizing.
Doesn't mean you hate anybody. Americans just call bullshit when we see it.
He called jews worse than the fleas that plagued them in the concentration camps. It was a pretty awful post. I'm not for censorship either. He deleted his own post.
Agreed. We are stronger together. We get enough racism (black lives matter, etc.) and BS identity politics as it is. Trump is a threat to their division. He loves people.
ok liberal go back to reddit they banned the evil racists for you
I wonder what it's like to be this ignorant.
Jews are feminists, liberal arts professors, Hollywood producers, and pedophiles.
They are not engineers. They are not scientists (sociology is not science). They are not workers. They are not soldiers.
Einstein stole pretty much all of his work. Look into it.
Whether he stole it or not, his work is useless. Try starting your car with relativity. Try doing anything with it. It’s masturbation.
He’s a meme.
Watch out, those 100% true facts are anti-semitic.
Smokers are less likely to get the CCP virus. FYI
Can't attach to my lungs if they're coated in smoke and cannabinoids!
I’m pretty sure one of the main reasons I’m in such good shape on this front is because of the garbage I put into my system while serving. Let’s see - burning trash/sewage, lead, copious amounts of dip and cigarettes, questionable energy drinks... the list goes on and on.
Don't question my energy drinks!
I’m sure they are the thing keeping us alive. At one point my blood was more than likely just Rip-It.
kek, I don't smoke, did for about 3 months as a 13 yr old but then quit. Smoked a few joints in my teens but then stopped. However, I don't think I'll ever stop my one a day energy drink. I did go down from 2 a day a few years ago. I dont' see any reason I should. I used to drink a ton of soda but no longer. Just that one sweet sweet energy drink at lunch every day.
Oh god see I was the other way. Got so used to functioning for days at a time because of caffeine drinks and supplements that once home I would wake up, drink an energy drink at 3AM then pass back out. I’m down to one a day as well. I was absolutely desensitized. Also some of those foreign energy drinks were interesting. Wild Tiger anyone?
Be careful about that burning trash/sewage. Not sure how old you are, but my dad served in the Marines and was in great shape until he got older and pulmonary fibrosis set in. Watch your breathing. Be on top of it.
It's scary how little attention this has gotten. I get that public officials aren't eager to say anything that's going to promote smoking, but there needs to be urgent research into the mechanism of this protective action, because it's quite likely that it can be replicated to a significant degree without having people actually smoke. The nitric oxide content of cigarette smoke is at the root of one suspected mechanism, and it's one that could be replicated to some degree, e.g. in break rooms for hospital workers, and in the work areas of meat processing plants.
Does that mean we can smoke in public now? Think of the lives we'll save!
yOuR fReEdOm eNdS wHeRe mY SafTEy iS cOnCernEd!
Smokers win again. Nosmokes seething ri nao
Autopsies are time-consuming. This article doesn't mention how many actual autopsies vs. external and historical examination, but if there were many cases I can't imagine they were all autopsied. Yet this would be the only way I can see to settle a lot of arguments, e.g. yearly flu death numbers are probably as erroneous as current COVID-19 numbers, which is another reason that comparing the two is iffy.
How about we stop trying to find context in the numbers? Sweden didn't lock down and is doing just as well or better than most other infected countries. Every time we debate numbers we kind of are implying that the lockdowns are some proven way to lower them. This is not proven anywhere. Places like Italy and Spain have had massive lockdowns and it has not stopped it at all. Deaths are only going down because all the old and unhealthy people have now been killed off.
Any time I bring up places that didn’t lockdown, or locked down less, are doing about the same as everywhere, I get vapid responses like “YOU DON’T KNOW.” I don’t know what? And they do? Or you get people claiming to be ‘nurses’ advising people this and that, then actual medical folks chime in and say “our hospitals are ghost towns here.”
To date the only things I hear supporting the lockdown are whiny moral statements, like someone saying they’d lockdown the world if it saved one life. I read that and think “so you’re a special kind of stupid then?”
My favourite is when people tell me that "Sweden is ABOUT TO have a huge spike" because "they're saying that in the press".
That was ~4 weeks ago and they're doing better. Maybe she meant a spike downward?
They just keep kicking the can down the street and are running out of excuses to make. It’s never anyone you’d respect or want to be like saying it, either. Always manchilds and weirdos and male feminists and purple hair folks. And they know they’re right because they read it on the ‘news’.
The “kill count” list on my local news reads like a roster for the local bingo parlor:
And on occasion you get a:
Absolutely right. I forgot that having an extra 127 lbs of fat around your heart works wonders for your long term longevity.
the Chineese flu was engineered by the chineese to decimate the worlds population of "undesirable" types when viewed through the lens of "the government needs to take care of all of these people and can't so who do we get rid of" sort of way...
Go ahead, change my mind....
Ok. The wuhan flu hardly kills anyone. China would have done better just releasing a normal flu.
I don't think he claimed that China did a good job
It’s exceedingly difficult to ‘engineer’ a virus, via direct genetic manipulation, to behave in a prescribed way, without breaking it. AFAIK it has never been done.
Floating out there in the population are millions of uncategorized harmless viruses, that basically do nothing. Isolate one of these with a PCR test, give it a name, call it ‘novel’. Flood the media and social media with videos of people fainting in the street, people being welded into their houses, ‘missing doctors’; buy off the WHO, infiltrate the local governments and universities. Have corrupt globalist companies cooperate. Aim the propaganda at the west and you have your ‘pandemic’, (and a ‘perfect’ economic weapon)
Far, far better scientists than the Chicoms, namely the Japanese, the Russians, and America, have tried and failed.
This. The virus is the flu at worst. The real danger is in the insane overrreaction.
That’s not how this works lmao. If you are going to present a hypothesis, you provide some evidence to back it up and give credibility to your claim. You don’t say “give me evidence to the contrary or else my claim holds.” Come on, centipede
My unprofessional opinion is that coronavirus are everywhere, usually result in a cold if caught, and sometimes are one of the opportunistic infections that ultimately kills very sick nursing home patients. Before the planned-Dem-ic, people who died from it would have a diagnoses along the lines of "viral pneumonia unspecified". So basically Bill Gates invented a test for this specific version of the virus, and now the Globalists/MSM are frightening the shit out of everybody over some pussy-ass infection that has been with mankind (and frankly every mammal) for thousands, if not millions, of years.
Again, this is just speculation based on what I have seen so far. I'm not a doctor. I'm not even a dentist.
-So, a bad flu or pneumonia, improperly treated would have done them in- the same way Jim Henderson[creator of the Muppets] died. A malaria infection would have killed these same people.
In the first SARS, A good percentage of people had cascading health problems for the following years after their infections.
BASED SENIOR-PEDE in the comment section sums up the situation well: https://i.imgur.com/ZRAI4HO.png
Seems like it would have been a hell of a lot easier to quarantine the high risk people rather than the entire world. Except for the fatties (myself included although not morbidly) . Too many of those to quarantine without still breaking the economy. Lose weight and get back to work
How many nursing home patients all ready had DNR/DNI (do not necessitate, do not intubate) orders before they got COVID?
The actual list of co-morbidities included diabetes and cardiovascular disease. With those included, and given the age range of most patients who die from COVID-19, this is hardly surprising, since the overwhelming majority of people in that age range have at least one of those conditions. So this isn't some significant new finding; it's more along the lines of stating the obvious, like saying that all people who died of COVID-19 had gray hair and wrinkled skin.
Everybody already had a foot in the grave.
It is great data, but it was only 12 patients. Lets get these studies to scale!
Not just DUH, but FUCKIN DUH ...dumbasses
Almost as if the COVID-1984 virus has been carefully engineered by communist minds as the perfect Society Cleanser. It removes only people who are old and sick, unburdening society of a whole lot of dead weight, complainers, diseased useless eaters, and disproportionate consumers of medical services and supplies. Without the excess human baggage, there's more stuff to redistribute to good (i.e., younger, working, taxpaying) people instead.
This is how they view us. Humans are cattle, sheep, dogs, workhorses, fuckbunnies, and occasionally, lunch.
Every victim in Hamburg. But yeah, prolly 99.9% nationwide e: oh wow, thats already 1 month old