I always feared glove wearers the most. Like the fast food places where the girl prepared your food, then takes your money, with the same gloves, for hours. Way worse than not wearing them.
What if I wear my mask to the grocery store, then put it on the counter next to the fridge, then grab it when I go out to pick up my takeout, then wear it to the big box store?
I don't know, but let me ask the people I see driving around all over the place with a mask suspended from their rearview mirrors. Who grab the mask with their grubby mitts, wear it into the store, take it off and hang it from their grimy mirror in their filthy car, and then repeat the whole process for every store they enter, all the while never cleaning or sanitizing that one single mask that they use every single day.
Those people and your friend should really be able to compare notes.
And what if I cough in it fifty times in Walmart and then it drops on the apples and then I pick it up and put it back over my face and then I just wear it around my chin...
**I often change gloves multiple times in the same pt room wahing my hands in between each pair. Also gloves are always comsidered dirty. If i put on a fresh pair and am caught wearing them in the hall, the hospital can be fined 10k for cross contamination. Not to mention gloves make your hands a warmer more moist environment, increasing bacterial growth rate. The glove peopl ar by far the most clueless, grabbimg handles then reaching into their purse and touching thier face all with the same stagnant pair. You have to be more vigilant with gloves yet people get a falso sense of security from them
Also a great example of how hospitals are blowing though ppe for no fucking reason, meanwhile people who actually use gloved (manufacturing, automotive related, chemicals, electronics, etc etc etc) cant get any.
There are pictures all over the internet of these stupid glove-wearing people doing stupid shit like talking on their phones and eating chips and shit. Crazy!
I went to the grocery yesterday and picked up a basket in front of the entrance. I was then confronted excitedly by two Karen dudes brilliantly tasked with "disinfecting" the baskets. Apparently, I had committed the Karen sin of picking one they hadn't gotten to.
I challenged them. Oh, so this one that's been sitting out in the 85deg Texas sun for hours, where the virus can't survive for what, 15sec?, this one just won't do? Now the other basket you and your retarded friend here have worked on is surely great, but what about me? What about every item I'm about to touch in the store? What about every handle on every refrigerator case in the store that's touched by almost every customer? Are you going to follow me around disinfecting each of those I touch? What about every item I touch in my basket that the checker and bagger are going to also touch individually? Are you going to disinfect their hands gloved or not before the next customer? No? Really? Well then thank you so much Karen for making sure this sun soaked basket is free of any virus before I put my nasty hands on it!
What you really need is some kind of covering that goes over your whole body, isolating your vital organs from the outside world. Perhaps this covering could have some kind of anti-foreign-biologic-system that kills harmful bacteria and viruses that do manage to break the barrier.
Outside of a lab or other clean environment it's really hard to use gloves and masks correctly all the time. It works (for the most part) in a lab etc because of training and because you wear the PPE, perform the task, remove the PPE. So from that point of view OP is correct.
OTOH I will continue to use hand sanitizer and wear gloves when I go to the market. The store supplies them. I've seen too many people cough into a gloved fist, then pick up something, change their mind, and put it back on the shelf. I'm sure I've done the same. On my way out the gloves come off and more sanitizer is applied. There's such a thing as mitigation.
Yeah.. wearing gloves just makes "normies" think they dont have to wash their hands and have even worse hand hygiene. dont eat anywhere where the staff wears gloves. That means they arent washing their hands (and not changing their gloves).
Only exception is when doing certain prep like hot peppers, or butchery.
If you also get a rash from contact with metallic jewelry other than gold or platinum, you might consider getting checked for nickel allergy as well. There's nickel in most house water supplies from contact with metal pipes. My mom has this, and she could never wash dishes without gloves because keeping her hands wet for more than a few minutes caused her to break out. She has to coat the inside of her glasses frame with clear nail polish as well, or she gets a rash on her temples.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up ! I will have to test this out. I used to have bad facial flush as a kid also, but when I moved away to college, it went away in like 2 weeks. Doctors could never figure out why my face was red and tried everything. Just disappeared like magic. Maybe there was a higher level of nickel in the water at home compared to now. I have used shower water filters since discovering this back in college days.
Who gives a fuck what some shithead thinks while you're pumping gas? Piss on their windshield if they open their mouth.
I swear, all these anti-mask and anti-glove people are getting as bad as the people whining that you aren't wearing them. Everyone needs to STFU and do what's best for them.
Only lecturing going on is from the pro and anti-mask people. I have better things to worry about than whether people wear gloves, masks or a fucking scuba suit if they want. Just don't bother me either way.
I think there are some good arguments around why we should lecture the mask wearers, anti science peer pressure, blindly obey the masters... but I also dont feel like wasting the time.
Gloves aren't to prevent the wearer from spreading disease -- they are to stop the wearer from getting infected by others. And they accomplish that task extremely well.
Surgical masks aren't to stop the wearer from getting infected by others -- they are to prevent the wearer from spreading disease. Unfortunately, they only work against respiratory droplets, not versus aerosols.
You're describing the wrong way to use gloves and then claiming that gloves don't work. Wtf. Gloves do one thing -- stop things from getting on your hands. And it works 100%. It's up to you beyond that to stop that glove from touching other things you don't want it to touch, like your face, phone, etc. An easy way to do that is to have a glove on your left hand that you use to interact with the world and then keep your right hand bare to interact with yourself and your effects.
Selfish? For keeping my hands clean? This is stupid. I'm "spreading" germs from the environment I'm in TO the environment I'm in. That's way more sanitary than a bare handed person unthinkingly scratching their face and then touching stuff, which doesn't happen when you use gloves. Sheesh.
If your hands are bare you a dangerous SUPER SPREADER of ALL diseases. So what's the difference? At least with gloves, all those germs aren't on your hands once you remove the gloves (properly). Everything isn't about protecting everyone else - sometimes it's about protecting yourself and not touching your face which gloves totally stop me from doing.
You’re assuming everyone wearing gloves is acting like they’re in a medical setting. Except, they touch everything they own with the gloves and pull them off and throw them on the ground.
I always feared glove wearers the most. Like the fast food places where the girl prepared your food, then takes your money, with the same gloves, for hours. Way worse than not wearing them.
Exactly
You’ll notice that top chefs never wear gloves. Gloves protect your hands from things. They don’t protect anything from themselves.
Always wear gloves when handling hot peppers in bulk, beets, and the like.
yuuup no one thinks "my gloves are dirty" they think "my hands are clean, i'm wearing gloves!"
What if I wear my mask to the grocery store, then put it on the counter next to the fridge, then grab it when I go out to pick up my takeout, then wear it to the big box store?
And do it all again tomorrow?
Asking for a friend.
I don't know, but let me ask the people I see driving around all over the place with a mask suspended from their rearview mirrors. Who grab the mask with their grubby mitts, wear it into the store, take it off and hang it from their grimy mirror in their filthy car, and then repeat the whole process for every store they enter, all the while never cleaning or sanitizing that one single mask that they use every single day.
Those people and your friend should really be able to compare notes.
And what if I cough in it fifty times in Walmart and then it drops on the apples and then I pick it up and put it back over my face and then I just wear it around my chin...
Eh, good enough! You're SAFE!!
Worked at a hospital years ago.
You would be surprised at the amount of not changing gloves that goes on.
Saw a man unload a critical patient. Blood, mucus etc etc.
Take those same glove covered hands and push his combover back in place. I had a come apart, absolute conniption fit.
Could not get him to realize that the glove doesn’t kill germs. They just keep them off your hands. Kept saying I’ve got gloves, I’m fine...
**I often change gloves multiple times in the same pt room wahing my hands in between each pair. Also gloves are always comsidered dirty. If i put on a fresh pair and am caught wearing them in the hall, the hospital can be fined 10k for cross contamination. Not to mention gloves make your hands a warmer more moist environment, increasing bacterial growth rate. The glove peopl ar by far the most clueless, grabbimg handles then reaching into their purse and touching thier face all with the same stagnant pair. You have to be more vigilant with gloves yet people get a falso sense of security from them
Also a great example of how hospitals are blowing though ppe for no fucking reason, meanwhile people who actually use gloved (manufacturing, automotive related, chemicals, electronics, etc etc etc) cant get any.
I've actually been filing complaints with certain businesses for this.
One is a restaurant chain.
Been going back and forth asking why their kitchen is required to change gloves after every task.
To prevent contamination of course!
I ask why the rest of the staff are wearing gloves and not changing them in between customers.
To prevent contamination of course!
Why is it different?
They can't explain.
You arent doing a good thing if you are hounding businesses in this climate. But, you do you.
There are pictures all over the internet of these stupid glove-wearing people doing stupid shit like talking on their phones and eating chips and shit. Crazy!
Eating chips and licking those gloved fingers!
ICU RN I LMAO at all the morons wearing gloves thinking they are protecting themselves.
I went to the grocery yesterday and picked up a basket in front of the entrance. I was then confronted excitedly by two Karen dudes brilliantly tasked with "disinfecting" the baskets. Apparently, I had committed the Karen sin of picking one they hadn't gotten to.
I challenged them. Oh, so this one that's been sitting out in the 85deg Texas sun for hours, where the virus can't survive for what, 15sec?, this one just won't do? Now the other basket you and your retarded friend here have worked on is surely great, but what about me? What about every item I'm about to touch in the store? What about every handle on every refrigerator case in the store that's touched by almost every customer? Are you going to follow me around disinfecting each of those I touch? What about every item I touch in my basket that the checker and bagger are going to also touch individually? Are you going to disinfect their hands gloved or not before the next customer? No? Really? Well then thank you so much Karen for making sure this sun soaked basket is free of any virus before I put my nasty hands on it!
Fun Fact saw a doctor walk out of a restroom with gloves on after having washed them in the public sink. Oh boy...
What you really need is some kind of covering that goes over your whole body, isolating your vital organs from the outside world. Perhaps this covering could have some kind of anti-foreign-biologic-system that kills harmful bacteria and viruses that do manage to break the barrier.
When will science develop such a thing!
Check your altitude privilege!
Outside of a lab or other clean environment it's really hard to use gloves and masks correctly all the time. It works (for the most part) in a lab etc because of training and because you wear the PPE, perform the task, remove the PPE. So from that point of view OP is correct.
OTOH I will continue to use hand sanitizer and wear gloves when I go to the market. The store supplies them. I've seen too many people cough into a gloved fist, then pick up something, change their mind, and put it back on the shelf. I'm sure I've done the same. On my way out the gloves come off and more sanitizer is applied. There's such a thing as mitigation.
Not any worse than if we were using our bare hands.
Yeah.. wearing gloves just makes "normies" think they dont have to wash their hands and have even worse hand hygiene. dont eat anywhere where the staff wears gloves. That means they arent washing their hands (and not changing their gloves).
Only exception is when doing certain prep like hot peppers, or butchery.
I only wear gloves when I wash dishes and clean. I use them only because I get bad skin rashes from cleaning detergents and dishwash detergent !
If you also get a rash from contact with metallic jewelry other than gold or platinum, you might consider getting checked for nickel allergy as well. There's nickel in most house water supplies from contact with metal pipes. My mom has this, and she could never wash dishes without gloves because keeping her hands wet for more than a few minutes caused her to break out. She has to coat the inside of her glasses frame with clear nail polish as well, or she gets a rash on her temples.
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up ! I will have to test this out. I used to have bad facial flush as a kid also, but when I moved away to college, it went away in like 2 weeks. Doctors could never figure out why my face was red and tried everything. Just disappeared like magic. Maybe there was a higher level of nickel in the water at home compared to now. I have used shower water filters since discovering this back in college days.
Who gives a fuck what some shithead thinks while you're pumping gas? Piss on their windshield if they open their mouth.
I swear, all these anti-mask and anti-glove people are getting as bad as the people whining that you aren't wearing them. Everyone needs to STFU and do what's best for them.
You do you
Just don't lecture the enlightened
Only lecturing going on is from the pro and anti-mask people. I have better things to worry about than whether people wear gloves, masks or a fucking scuba suit if they want. Just don't bother me either way.
I think there are some good arguments around why we should lecture the mask wearers, anti science peer pressure, blindly obey the masters... but I also dont feel like wasting the time.
Be well fren.
I do uber eats and quickly ran out of gloves because of this. Stopped using gloves and a mask after a week now that things have settled down.
So many brain dead people not even thinking at all during this. It's kind of frightening how many people don't even think things through.
Some of you need to think shit through before you post.
Gloves are not necessary if you don’t touch your face and wash/sanitize frequently. The mask is more important.
Gloves aren't to prevent the wearer from spreading disease -- they are to stop the wearer from getting infected by others. And they accomplish that task extremely well.
Surgical masks aren't to stop the wearer from getting infected by others -- they are to prevent the wearer from spreading disease. Unfortunately, they only work against respiratory droplets, not versus aerosols.
You're describing the wrong way to use gloves and then claiming that gloves don't work. Wtf. Gloves do one thing -- stop things from getting on your hands. And it works 100%. It's up to you beyond that to stop that glove from touching other things you don't want it to touch, like your face, phone, etc. An easy way to do that is to have a glove on your left hand that you use to interact with the world and then keep your right hand bare to interact with yourself and your effects.
Selfish? For keeping my hands clean? This is stupid. I'm "spreading" germs from the environment I'm in TO the environment I'm in. That's way more sanitary than a bare handed person unthinkingly scratching their face and then touching stuff, which doesn't happen when you use gloves. Sheesh.
If your hands are bare you a dangerous SUPER SPREADER of ALL diseases. So what's the difference? At least with gloves, all those germs aren't on your hands once you remove the gloves (properly). Everything isn't about protecting everyone else - sometimes it's about protecting yourself and not touching your face which gloves totally stop me from doing.
You’re assuming everyone wearing gloves is acting like they’re in a medical setting. Except, they touch everything they own with the gloves and pull them off and throw them on the ground.
Washing your hands after going out works better.
In a food service environment you wash your hands at least a couple of times an hour.
Do those same people who are now wearing gloves change them a few times an hour? Maybe, probably not though.
I've seen plenty of people wearing gloves touch their face. Unless you are changing into new gloves for every task, there is zero point to them.