Because until President Trump, they were just switching back and forth every few years playing mad at each other like a WWE episode. Two sides to the same dirty ass coin.
When bad actors try to derail the smooth transition of power because Dimocrats didn't like the results of an election that's not just treason, it's a coup d'etat. The punishment needs to fit the crime.
Their legacies can be as criminals behind bars. If these people are not given real prison sentences for what they have done, then the law doesn’t mean anything anymore. If the highest people are not held accountable, then laws are worthless.
Does anyone have any ideas on how we can help to get them all locked up? We all want that and talk about it but nothing happens. We’re still waiting for the “Because you’d be in jail”campaign promise.
Wether we call it Sedition or Treason at this point makes little difference. WE THE PEOPLE rightfully demand that Justice be brought onto all the vermin that have damaged OUR country, trampled all over our CONSTITUTIONAL rights and that to this day are trying to bring down our duly elected (amazing) President. Until we see the laws upheld and these people held accountable, we have nothing, others will imitate them knowing they will get away with it. We need to set an example. We are all aware that our laws are eroding and that "some animals are more equal than others"(1984), but this must stop. If the powers that be cannot, then that task is left for our shoulders to bare. Hence the quote of Thomas Jefferson about The Tree of Liberty... Justice is the other side of the coin.
well said - and with the rot going as deep as even the judiciary, I hope we CAN salvage the nation.
I have said 2 things since Trumps election:
some people saw Trump as being a fight VS the swamp, the establishment, the Dems. Sorry, people. The war is LONG OVER. Our entire society has been taken over by the globalist left for decades now, and driving hard towards a 1 world government NWO. Trumps election was actually an INSURRECTION, a rebellion, a tiny foot in the door 1st shot to RECLAIM our country and return to our constitutional roots. And because of this fact, all these things revealed over the last 3 years shows anyone who cares what the reality has become. The media has had us all sleeping in a matrix of their creation for decades.
as long as we still have BOTH a free flow of information AND electoral integrity, than it behooves us as Americans to DO OUR OWN FUCKING JOB and VOTE IN MAGA SUPER MAJORITIES TO ELECTED OFFICE. Over time, that will cause the changes we seek in advancing the MAGA agenda. However, if we permanently lose either of those things, Im with ya on the Tree of Liberty.
If you want justice, then you need someone in charge who is outside of the club.
Barr has done some good work (finishing Mueller crap and stopping Flynn prosecution), but he's been an insider forever. Mueller's wife and Barr's wife are best friends.
Barr went out of his way to ensure an FBI sniper did not face justice for his murder in Ruby Ridge.
Barr supported the reauthorization of FISA courts without significant changes.
If you really want justice - and so do I - we need an AG who is not part of the club.
Which is proof that Trump doesn't actually have the power he is supposed to have. Didn't he order Clapper's clearance pulled? If it wasn't, that's gross insubordination by a whole bunch of people, and I don't remember anyone getting fired for that. In other words, the folks who are in charge of pulling security clearances told Trump to fuck off, and that was that.
Wasn't Obama AND his mother involved with the CIA back in the day? It makes sense the deep-state looking out for their own. And the problem is people don't want to go out and protest. A lot of us already live on a thin margin and if you're missing work then you might be missing bills.
Liberals will resist all reality so they don't ever have to deal with the shame of being on Team Nixon x 100. Think about it, the average liberal thinks his/her most effective weapon is shame. So, what is the worst possible thing for a liberal to experience? Shame.
This cannot be stated with enough emphasis. People were doing things that have Obama what he wanted that went against conventional thought, ie Roberts's on Obamacare or Ryan on every budget. Since the major players in the IC retained their security clearances, you could assume that Obama had something on them. How did he get them to play ball? Cult of personality only goes so far.
Can anyone explain to me the insane push to convict him? Of all the crimes one could commit, lying to the FBI is rather benign. Furthermore, it's not like "he lied" to cover up another crime or something. "He lied" about discussing sanctions with an ambassador. Why so desperate to get a guilty sentence? Because I seriously doubt a three-star, thirty-year veteran would spend a single day in club fed when PapaD was sentenced two weeks and a $9,500 fine for the same crime.
Multiple reasons. First of all, It completely discredits him in the eyes of the broader public - no matter what he would say he’d be called a liar or criminal. Then, if he’s convicted, he would no longer be able to serve as the DNI for trump, nor would he be able to get the necessary security clearance to be able to get to the actual dirt and expose it. Basically, this whole charade was to keep Flynn from having access to the records he needs to out Obama and co
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
He has already said all this. It doesn't matter about preventing him from saying this. The American public doesn't care. But Flynn isn't SOS is he?
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
Can anyone explain to me the insane push to convict him?
Clearly there was an effort to convict anyone in Trump's circle on anything they could come up with. They certainly assumed that if they threatened enough people, somebody would either:
make up some shit to throw Trump under the bus
or someone would have some legitimate dirt on Trump
🎶 Oh, Mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law ... Hangman is comin' down from the gallows and I don't have very long The jig is up, the news is out They've finally found me The renegade who had it made Retrieved for a bounty Never more to go astray This will be the end today Of the wanted man 🎶
It's plural. you got to make sure you get that part right. That's going to be one of the larger bombshell's of this particular phase.... One of the truly Awakening moments for a big portion of the country will be when they find out that every major opposing presidential campaign was spied-on in one form or another, including Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
Penalty: U.S. Code Title 18: Death, or not less than 5 years' imprisonment and not more than life imprisonment without the possibility of parole (minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death). Any person convicted of treason against the United States will permanently lose the right to ever hold or run for public office anywhere in any capacity within the United States.
If Biden wins, he would issue a pardon to himself and Obama. Obama and Biden would need to be impeached and convicted for the case to stick through any pardon in addition to a trial for treason/sedition.
Another repost of my comment but this sums it up. I'm only reposting it to reply directly to people asking. Bongino has talked about all of this.
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
That's simple, lean on the judge to order 2 days in jail so Trump has to pardon so they can get on TV and say Trump pardons his felon friends who lie to the FBI..
but, that is just what they want him to do.. Reality is all those letters and any action the judge takes other than closing case will go down in history as evidence of their bias and history will see as bias asshats.
In fact, in a few short weeks we will know everything and indictments will prove we were right and all those letters and Judge will stick out as accomplices
I know the media is fake news and biased but this has revealed it's INSANE how much they're simply propaganda.
They're just acting like it's some mad conspiracy theory and saying "Trumps accusing Obama without any crimes" without even referencing the clear verifiable issues.
The crowdstrike issue ALONE.. that they admitted under oath that they actually had no evidence and couldn't say Russia was behind the DNC attacks.. that's NUTS. That alone should have have been front page everywhere for weeks.
We knew this three years ago, my only hope is that. Bill Barr comment, ‘the wheel of justice turn slow but grind fine’ is true and that Durham drops the hammer
I dont think treason is the technically correct legal term.
Lets see what happened - Obama orchestrated an intentional sabotage of a candidate and then incoming administration. What would that be?
I would immediately say "Conspiracy to commit Sedition", except that the infractions against Trump before his inauguration, by his predecessor who WAS still in office until inauguration day technically, makes it not a perfect fit to use "Sedition", because that is generally thought of as being against the sitting government.
Here's the technically correct legal definition for treason-
The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Webster. In England, treason is an offense particularly directed against the person of the sovereign, and consists (1) in compassing or imagining the death of the king or queen, or their eldest son and heir; (2) in violating the king’s companion, or the king’s eldest daughter unmarried, or the wife of the king’s eldest son and heir; (3) in levying war against the king in his realm; (4) in adhering to the king’s enemies in his realm, giving to them aid and comfort in the realm or elsewhere, and (5) slaying thechancellor, treasurer, or the king’s justices of the oue bench or the other, justices in eyre, or justices of assize, and all other justices assigned to hear and determine, being in their places doing their offices. 4 Steph. Comm. 1S5-103; 4 Bl. Comm. 76-84. “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.” U. S. Const, art 3,
It was most definitely an attempt to overthrow the incoming administration AKA the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance. The fact the Obama administration was working with the DNC and Hillary Clinton using known faulty Russian intelligence to spy on the campaign may or may not be considered betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power, but that part doesn't matter in concerns to whether it's treason or not.
Except the POS judge has decided NOT to let it end. Instead, he is letting ant-Trump deep staters come in and basically prosecute in the Governments place. It's outrageous and I can't believe this is actually happening.
Not enough to just lock them up. What is the punishment for treason?
Also, these institutions need to be burned to the ground, along with FISC. They are utterly corrupt from top to bottom, beyond any hope of salvaging.
Isn't it interesting that even the side that was the victim here, doesn't seem too interested in shit canning the FISA courts. Why is that?
Because until President Trump, they were just switching back and forth every few years playing mad at each other like a WWE episode. Two sides to the same dirty ass coin.
BINGO!! orchestrated theater to make us think it was 2 sides. Its not. Its 2 heads of the same shitty coin.
They're not on our side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QivfPLYgOdc
One of the few Senators trying to undo it, and calls out his own for supporting it.
When bad actors try to derail the smooth transition of power because Dimocrats didn't like the results of an election that's not just treason, it's a coup d'etat. The punishment needs to fit the crime.
Once upon a time things like this started revolutions that shook the world. Do you feel the rumble and the ground swell of outrage?
HANG THEM ALL
Their legacies can be as criminals behind bars. If these people are not given real prison sentences for what they have done, then the law doesn’t mean anything anymore. If the highest people are not held accountable, then laws are worthless.
Does anyone have any ideas on how we can help to get them all locked up? We all want that and talk about it but nothing happens. We’re still waiting for the “Because you’d be in jail”campaign promise.
Wether we call it Sedition or Treason at this point makes little difference. WE THE PEOPLE rightfully demand that Justice be brought onto all the vermin that have damaged OUR country, trampled all over our CONSTITUTIONAL rights and that to this day are trying to bring down our duly elected (amazing) President. Until we see the laws upheld and these people held accountable, we have nothing, others will imitate them knowing they will get away with it. We need to set an example. We are all aware that our laws are eroding and that "some animals are more equal than others"(1984), but this must stop. If the powers that be cannot, then that task is left for our shoulders to bare. Hence the quote of Thomas Jefferson about The Tree of Liberty... Justice is the other side of the coin.
well said - and with the rot going as deep as even the judiciary, I hope we CAN salvage the nation.
I have said 2 things since Trumps election:
some people saw Trump as being a fight VS the swamp, the establishment, the Dems. Sorry, people. The war is LONG OVER. Our entire society has been taken over by the globalist left for decades now, and driving hard towards a 1 world government NWO. Trumps election was actually an INSURRECTION, a rebellion, a tiny foot in the door 1st shot to RECLAIM our country and return to our constitutional roots. And because of this fact, all these things revealed over the last 3 years shows anyone who cares what the reality has become. The media has had us all sleeping in a matrix of their creation for decades.
as long as we still have BOTH a free flow of information AND electoral integrity, than it behooves us as Americans to DO OUR OWN FUCKING JOB and VOTE IN MAGA SUPER MAJORITIES TO ELECTED OFFICE. Over time, that will cause the changes we seek in advancing the MAGA agenda. However, if we permanently lose either of those things, Im with ya on the Tree of Liberty.
It can be said...but beware the Alphabet bois. They will harvest your dogs soul along with maybe your kid.
Call your senators multiple times a week. Don't care if they are D or R.
If you want justice, then you need someone in charge who is outside of the club.
Barr has done some good work (finishing Mueller crap and stopping Flynn prosecution), but he's been an insider forever. Mueller's wife and Barr's wife are best friends.
Barr went out of his way to ensure an FBI sniper did not face justice for his murder in Ruby Ridge.
Barr supported the reauthorization of FISA courts without significant changes.
If you really want justice - and so do I - we need an AG who is not part of the club.
My candidates:
i call bullshit
Which is proof that Trump doesn't actually have the power he is supposed to have. Didn't he order Clapper's clearance pulled? If it wasn't, that's gross insubordination by a whole bunch of people, and I don't remember anyone getting fired for that. In other words, the folks who are in charge of pulling security clearances told Trump to fuck off, and that was that.
thought that was brennan
You might be right. It's so hard to keep track of which treasonous assholes did what.
Wasn't Obama AND his mother involved with the CIA back in the day? It makes sense the deep-state looking out for their own. And the problem is people don't want to go out and protest. A lot of us already live on a thin margin and if you're missing work then you might be missing bills.
Which leads to liberals being in complete denial. When will they finally stop lying?!
Never, even death doesn't stop them, in fact, they vote more when dead.
110% turnout!
Liberals will resist all reality so they don't ever have to deal with the shame of being on Team Nixon x 100. Think about it, the average liberal thinks his/her most effective weapon is shame. So, what is the worst possible thing for a liberal to experience? Shame.
They will never admit.
But they know.
They know.
You answer that question when you answer this question: how do we drive them off of the coasts and into the seas?
This made me laugh way too much! Thank you.
Soetoro used the government to target his political opponents from day 1. After he got caught using the IRS to target conservative groups (ie., Tea Party), he just covered it all up and switched to the NSA database. The switch to the NSA database was sometime between 2011 and 2012. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/23/the-obama-use-of-fisa-702-as-a-domestic-political-surveillance-program/
Coincidentally, this timing fits well with Roberts ruling in 2012 that 0bamacare was a tax.
This cannot be stated with enough emphasis. People were doing things that have Obama what he wanted that went against conventional thought, ie Roberts's on Obamacare or Ryan on every budget. Since the major players in the IC retained their security clearances, you could assume that Obama had something on them. How did he get them to play ball? Cult of personality only goes so far.
Absolutely.
Wiretapped journalists, prosecuted whistleblowers, wiretapped a foreign head of state.
But he's so kewl did u c his March Madness pix lol
Can anyone explain to me the insane push to convict him? Of all the crimes one could commit, lying to the FBI is rather benign. Furthermore, it's not like "he lied" to cover up another crime or something. "He lied" about discussing sanctions with an ambassador. Why so desperate to get a guilty sentence? Because I seriously doubt a three-star, thirty-year veteran would spend a single day in club fed when PapaD was sentenced two weeks and a $9,500 fine for the same crime.
He’s got dirt on Obama and the deep state. PapaD doesn’t
I get that, but how would this guilty sentence prevent him from exposing anything?
Multiple reasons. First of all, It completely discredits him in the eyes of the broader public - no matter what he would say he’d be called a liar or criminal. Then, if he’s convicted, he would no longer be able to serve as the DNI for trump, nor would he be able to get the necessary security clearance to be able to get to the actual dirt and expose it. Basically, this whole charade was to keep Flynn from having access to the records he needs to out Obama and co
Huh... didn't know something like that would prevent someone from a cabinet position or a security clearance. That would certainly explain it then.
Reposting this for you.
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
He has already said all this. It doesn't matter about preventing him from saying this. The American public doesn't care. But Flynn isn't SOS is he?
First thing Trump should do is make him SOS.
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
Because if they weren't going after him, the country would have had 3 years of Flynn making it great
Martha Stewart has entered the chat...
Perhaps you're making a joke I'm not getting, but she was indicted and convicted for more than one count of lying to the FBI.
Fair. That's the one we all remember though :)
Clearly there was an effort to convict anyone in Trump's circle on anything they could come up with. They certainly assumed that if they threatened enough people, somebody would either:
make up some shit to throw Trump under the bus
or someone would have some legitimate dirt on Trump
Neither happened.
🎶 Oh, Mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law ... Hangman is comin' down from the gallows and I don't have very long The jig is up, the news is out They've finally found me The renegade who had it made Retrieved for a bounty Never more to go astray This will be the end today Of the wanted man 🎶
Spied on political opponent(s)
It's plural. you got to make sure you get that part right. That's going to be one of the larger bombshell's of this particular phase.... One of the truly Awakening moments for a big portion of the country will be when they find out that every major opposing presidential campaign was spied-on in one form or another, including Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
Cruz, Carson, Paul, Trump. I doubt Rubio and Yeb needed to be spied on. But why not?
Who else? Scalia?
Where did you hear that?
Now translate that in Democrat for the smooth brains to understand.
Fuckin' hang 'em high.
There is only one penalty for treason
Well, no...
But it should be death for these clowns.
Death. Because Hussein sitting in Gitmo penning his Cuba Diairies will only serve to cement his godlike status among the mentally deranged.
What’s Arabic for “My Struggle”?
This guy facts.
Lol - it can be problematic at times around TDS sufferers!
If Biden wins, he would issue a pardon to himself and Obama. Obama and Biden would need to be impeached and convicted for the case to stick through any pardon in addition to a trial for treason/sedition.
Only taints the Repubs because we let it. It is peanuts compared to what we are seeing now.
Another repost of my comment but this sums it up. I'm only reposting it to reply directly to people asking. Bongino has talked about all of this.
He went to Washington and told them that they were getting US soldiers killed trying to play war general from DC instead of letting the generals do it.
He was against the Iran Deal.
He wanted to audit the dark money in the federal budget.
He warned that the surveillance state had too much power and could be misused by presidents.
Right or wrong doesn't matter. The ones who know how to use power are always 'right'. Time to step up the pressure.
The name watergate prosecutors is not a coincidence
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260438747914686467.html
Okie Doke and his treasonous cabal didn’t just spy on Trump.
Okie Doke and his treasonous cabal spied on every one of his major political opponents and 2016 Republican presidential candidates.
obama spying on trump over BS russia isnt even a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.
Hey look, its Ron Emanuel 2 rows back.
Yeah, but none of it means anything if justice isn't enforced which it currently isn't.
Which is why corrupt judge, Emmet Sullivan, cannot let it go.
All true.
I’d just add that it will open normies eyes to the extent of the spying: that obama and crew spied on anyone they saw as a potential threat
Jenga
So does this mean that the death sentence would be applied , since you know treason and what not.
Fingers crossed
dont get my hopes up!
Flynn is the key to opening up the flood waters on pedogate. Durham needs to get Weiner's laptop and then the entire cabal will collapse.
That's simple, lean on the judge to order 2 days in jail so Trump has to pardon so they can get on TV and say Trump pardons his felon friends who lie to the FBI..
but, that is just what they want him to do.. Reality is all those letters and any action the judge takes other than closing case will go down in history as evidence of their bias and history will see as bias asshats.
In fact, in a few short weeks we will know everything and indictments will prove we were right and all those letters and Judge will stick out as accomplices
I know the media is fake news and biased but this has revealed it's INSANE how much they're simply propaganda.
They're just acting like it's some mad conspiracy theory and saying "Trumps accusing Obama without any crimes" without even referencing the clear verifiable issues.
The crowdstrike issue ALONE.. that they admitted under oath that they actually had no evidence and couldn't say Russia was behind the DNC attacks.. that's NUTS. That alone should have have been front page everywhere for weeks.
We knew this three years ago, my only hope is that. Bill Barr comment, ‘the wheel of justice turn slow but grind fine’ is true and that Durham drops the hammer
The question we need to start asking is what do we do if it doesn't?
The swamp method is to promise action and then .... .... .... nothing.
Maybe different this time?
Which leads to Democrat getting off Scot free.
Since Biden is running, and Biden was part of the Obama administration, any investigation into "Obamagate" would be election interference.
(Watch for this response.)
Listen here, fat. It's a diversion from the coronavirus. Everybody here knows Barack America and I were you, you know the thing.
Muh legacy!
A coup is a coup. Just because the didn't use force doesn't make it any less serious.
I dont think treason is the technically correct legal term.
Lets see what happened - Obama orchestrated an intentional sabotage of a candidate and then incoming administration. What would that be?
I would immediately say "Conspiracy to commit Sedition", except that the infractions against Trump before his inauguration, by his predecessor who WAS still in office until inauguration day technically, makes it not a perfect fit to use "Sedition", because that is generally thought of as being against the sitting government.
Here's the technically correct legal definition for treason-
It was most definitely an attempt to overthrow the incoming administration AKA the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance. The fact the Obama administration was working with the DNC and Hillary Clinton using known faulty Russian intelligence to spy on the campaign may or may not be considered betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power, but that part doesn't matter in concerns to whether it's treason or not.
Which leads to we have a 3 star General as a political prisoner right now.. why?
He knew where the bodies were buried.
Technically sedition i think
Justice needs to go all the way to the Top, or it's not Justice. Penalties must fit the crime. We must not be swayed from meting it out!
#ARRESTOBAMA
Except the POS judge has decided NOT to let it end. Instead, he is letting ant-Trump deep staters come in and basically prosecute in the Governments place. It's outrageous and I can't believe this is actually happening.
When do we ride? My body is ready
Who says it is ending? We have an asshole judge and his kangaroo court. Same shit as with Roger Stone.
Exactly. They think as long as the case is still pending they have some kind of protection.
Democrats claim they can't be investigated or prosecuted because they are running for office. This stuff is bizarre.
And which should logically leads to them being tried and convicted of treason.
Yaaaay, now the bad guys will be caught and locked up, yaaaay!! /s
Which leads to FIRING SQAUDS. 👍🏻☠️
Bullshit like this gets stickied but an incredible compilation of articles on spygate gets 5 comments.