and none of this "phased reopening" bullshit. We need 100% back to normal and nothing less. Do not comply even with the smallest "compromise" such as wearing a mask if they allow you to go to a store, or copy your ID to allow you to go out to eat. We will not be supporting the economy and giving them tax revenue unless they give us back our rights FIRST.
In my area they are requiring places to copy your ID if you are gonna be in there longer than 15 minutes or something like that. It's basically to start contact tracing
I found the data-denier. Covid deaths are < flu deaths in the first year. The first year for a novel virus is grossly disproportionate to ongoing infections and deaths. What need?
Because there isn't just one single strain of influenza. It's very mutation prone, and each year there's a whole new "cocktail" of strains to attempt to inoculate people for.
I don't get them because for the past 30 years, my immune system has done a good enough job at staving off the flu. I'm not going to get jabbed unless I start getting sick every year. Gotta keep that immune system strong. It's also why I'm not worried about all the door handles, masks, or hand sanitizer bullshit. Exposure is a great vaccine.
I'm with you. I'm old enough that I'm retired and in the last 20 years I may have had a knock-me-on-my-butt flu about one time. I never get the flu shot, don't need it, don't want it.
I don't intend to wait for any rotten excuse for a "Covid 19" vaccine either. The key to that whole strategy is the vaccine providers will make a fortune from them, and they are apparently immune from prosecution for any issues arising from their potions. It's a risk-free license to make money. The motivation is too obvious.
Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ^_^
In all seriousness, I couldn't agree more. For me, I'm a teacher in a public school; I've been exposed to numerous strains of God knows what, so at this point I could probably go to a third world shithole unvaccinated and not catch a thing.
Because the flu is hundreds of hundreds of viruses, and includes coronavirus. And its novel every year. (this is a simplification but more or less true, who wants to discuss viral mutations and capsids in a comment)
Need? This virus is called SARS-CoV-2 aka Covid19. SARS-CoV-1 died off on its own in 10 months. No vaccine was created.
Need? This virus with its inflated mortality numbers just passed the 2017-2018 FLU season which killed 80,000+ Vaccinated Americans and we did not shut down over that. In Other news NY State cured all other causes of death?
Need? Iceland and Switzerland have solid proof that children under 10 are less likely to die from this than the flu, but they seem to have a natural resistance and in Iceland, no child has passed it to an adult.
Need? India has the same number of dead as California?
Need? SARS-CoV-2 has the same fatality rate is the FLU this year according to the CDC yet people will still tell you its 10X more lethal. (See Below)
Need? Sweden has the same death rate as the United States.
It’s all about how it mutates. Those other viruses you mentioned don’t mutate as easily as strains of the flu and coronaviruses.
Big thing about the corona strains is the fact the other two major ones SARS and MERS basically disappeared after the initial run. There’s flare ups here and there for MERS, but it you don’t hear about it as often.
I think this is why Trump said it’ll disappear. Hell, even Fauci said they could disappear. No one knows yet, though.
Not quite. RNA vaccines are different than vaccines intended to treat RNA viruses.
RNA vaccines differ from normal vaccines in that they rely on the body to synthesize antigens from the RNA, and then the immune response is invoked. Normally, vaccines just inject antigens.
So yes, there are vaccines for viruses that replicate via RNA. What makes it hard is fast mutation (HIV) and many strains (flu, cold). Coronoviruses do fall into the latter type, but if there is only 1 strain of it, then there is a chance a vaccine could be developed. Some studies have reported that people cannot get reinfected, which supports that.
RNA vaccines differ from normal vaccines in that they rely on the body to synthesize antigens from the RNA, and then the immune response is invoked. Normally, vaccines just inject antigens. (link to read more)
That said, RNA viruses can be tough to develop vaccines for because of fast mutation (HIV) and many strains (flu, cold). Coronoviruses do fall into the latter type, but if there is only 1 strain of this one, then there is a chance a vaccine could be developed. Some studies have reported that people cannot get reinfected, which supports that.
There is a difference between a vaccine for a virus with RNA and an rna vaccine at least thats what I picked up over last few months. Not an expert but it seems like people are talking about different things
FUCK a vaccine. It's a carrot on a stick. The Flu wipes out 50-60k every single year and we've never developed a successful vaccine for that. This COVID 1984 shit will be no different.
"Vaccines are coming" Is A Lie to keep everything shut down. WHY ARE WE LETTING FEAR MONGERING CRIMINALS CONTROL OUR COUNTRY!?
Meanwhile, in MN, we’ve closed pools and beaches the entire summer.
No one has any balls to just say, “You know what, life is full of risks. We are opening the damn pools!”
My guess: They have closed beaches and pools in MN for the summer but the drowning rate will go up, as more people attempt to cool off in hot July in lakes and rivers.
What the heck Tennessee! Just wait. In a year or two the obesity rate will sky-rocket and they will be wondering why everyone is fat and vitamin D deficient.
I was at the beach last week in a southern state and most were not wearing masks. The few that arrived at the hotel in masks seemed shell-shocked upon arrival, but after a day or two, removed their masks to relax on the beach. People kept their distance, which honestly, they should anyway. I never liked it when I would set up our towels to enjoy a day at the Beach with my family and someone would swoop right next to us, even though the beach was not crowded. So I am happy people are now giving me space to have time with my family.
When I got out and about here in Jacksonville its about 30 to 70%. 30% wearing masks and 70% not. What I noticed the last couple times at the store is a majority of minorities were wearing masks. 2nd biggest group were soy boys wearing masks. My part of Jacksonville doesn't have many Karens so I cant comment on them. Luckily we're a military city and most don't believe this shit.
LOL, as a northerner, I could never get used to Christmas without snow. Felt wrong, riding my motorcycle in my shorts on Christmas Eve, ducking beneath bridges for passing thunderstorms.
I'm thinking of getting the fuck out of California and moving to Texas. This is extremely comforting to hear. And don't worry, I vote red down the ballot.
As an Illinois citizen, I'd love to get back to being open. But we don't own the restaurants or the stores or the parks. We can't just march into a diner demanding to dine in. There's not much we can do if we don't own that kind of business.
We are in MN and plan to stay three more years, until my son graduates high school. He plays hockey.
Then we plan to move south to warmer weather and more conservative values. Although, I am at the point where I don't know if we will be able to wait three more years. We are about done with liberal MN.
That's the plan! I love the Carolinas, but North is getting so overwhelmed with liberals from the Northeast. We think South Carolina is a great state! Charleston, Hilton Head, Beaufort, Greenville, Lexington, Pawley's Island...I am shocked you think it sucks. It's one of our favorites! :) I am jealous you get to live there.
There are several reasons why I would advise against moving to SC UNLESS you pick Greenville:
The 7% income tax.
Not enough gun freedom.
All of the cities are mid-size metros at best.
You get that Bible Belt culture without any of the benefits that other places in the south have (whether it be major cities, extra freedom, super low taxes).
The pros about SC are: Greenville (thank God I live closer to there than the other 2 out of the Big 3 cities). If you want the beach, go to Florida, if you want the temperate climate- go to Asheville NC, if you want the city life go to Atlanta.
Now Greenville is one of the BEST cities in the nation period.
You have to remember we are currently in MN. Even the negatives of South Carolina would be a step up for us! :)
I appreciate your perspective and thank you for sharing your experience living there. We spend much of the year frozen and surrounded by snow, so even just getting rid of those 20 below days will be an improvement!
CA pede here. We are tearing down caution tape and stupid ass signs in our local parks every where we see them in our little Nor Cal town. We are reopening. Fuck Newsome, fuck the left, fuck Fauci, MAGA FOREVER!
And yet Generalissimo Garcetti has decreed masks everywhere for everyone when you leave your home in LA. And the assholes fall right in line. Karen will be out with her cell phone hunting for resisters this morning,
I’m beginning to think even the Karens are wearing down. In my neighborhood they’ve been pretty quiet, but when this first started in March they were on that Nextdoor Neighborhood app posting pictures of teenage boys daring to play basketball in the local park. Not so much anymore.
Everyone is tired of this bullshit and realizing the data does not match what we were initially told and the destruction of our economy has been worse for more families than the virus.
The sentiment on NextDoor this morning here in champagne socialist land was overwhelmingly "wtf, this has gone too far....Garcetti can stuff it. Don't be a sheep." I do believe the tide is turning.
A good bellwether for California is the VP at HBO. When he can't pay his private school tuition or is in danger of losing his house, that's when we break the glass and call bullshit. Not a moment sooner.
all we need, like all we needed for all the previous "pandemics" is HERD IMMUNITY. All the past health scares still exist and can still infect someone weak enough:
MERS
SARS
Avian/Swine Flu
Zika
West Nile
Ebola
even the Plague, Anthrax and E. Coli.
They all still exist in the wild, you can still become infected and they still can kill a few people under the right conditions. Why don't we fear them? Herd Immunity. We developed herd immunity, developed treatments to help people who get infected fight and beat it and we take steps to safeguard those most vulnerable to it. We never locked down the economy, forced millions into business failure and bankruptcy, and never took away citizens' rights and freedoms over them. We never mandated masks to go out in public.
For those who can't beat it with their immune system, HCQ is available, but the deep state is pushing back against that treatment because they want more death. In some hospitals, according to that one nurse, they are killing people who could have beat it by just sticking them on ventilators.
I would disagree, having been hospitalized with it. I almost died from this shit.
On the other hand, with an antibody level of +137, I don't need any hypothetical vaccine now.
edit: neither does anyone else with antibodies. If they ever do come up with a vaccine for this, which I doubt, they should exempt anyone with antibodies in their blood, like they do with measles. I think you'd be surprised how many people have already had it asymptomatically and now have antibodies to it. Well not you personally, I mean the public in general.
Just curious...do you have any reason that would make this virus nearly kill you, whereas Rand Paul has it and did not even feel any symptoms? Are you a bigger person? Diabetic? Older?
Wonder why some are asymptomatic and others get hit so hard?
Glad you recovered. I suppose it is a good feeling to know you defeated it!
My daughter had it from a coworker at her coffee shop, she is young, healthy with good immune and she was still very sick with "flu" for about five days then began to get better. Took about a week and a half to recover altogether. She said it is like a very bad flu, not an easy one.
Early 50s, male, somewhat overweight (BMI was about 36? I lost 20 pounds in the hospital, anyway, and I'm making an effort to keep it that way, I can fit into clothes I haven't been able to wear for years. Unfortunately that included that one pair of trousers that had poison ivy all over them and I was scratching for two days straight, I'd forgotten about those.) Non smoker, non drinker, non drug user, not diabetic, possible metabolic syndrome. They didn't do a single lipid panel in the hospital, which annoys me.
Might have pre-existing lung issues, a cardiologist told me 15 years ago that I might have exercise-induced asthma, but I don't exercise anyway so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Did tend to get out of breath easily, especially if I walked fast after eating. Suspect auto-immune condition going on based on 2018 blood work, was supposed to see a rheumatologist before all this shit happened. Just got an email that his office is starting to open back up, will follow up.
My wife had it with me, but she didn't need hospitalization, she wasn't anywhere near as bad off as I was. I did not need a ventilator thank $DEITY.
Why I got it worse? Who knows. I'm a pharmacist, it's my job to be face to face with sick people all day long. Maybe I got it from multiple people so had multiple strains simultaneously?
(/u/HockeyMom4Trump hope this answers your question as well.)
This is why I buy in on the anti-Fauci train...in what world has his policy ever been implemented? Yet he acts like it's established science despite it never being done that way...
Fuck a vaccine. Especially one rushed. Years later when problems start to reveal themselves and the manufacturers have immunity. They can kiss my ass on me taking that shit.
AJ's Wednesday show mentioned that the WHO (or similar, on banned dot video) admitted recently that they are adding things to make people sterile. And aren't sperm counts, fertility problems, etc already bad compared to what they were?
Vaccine should NEVER be mandatory because fuck holding people down and jabbing them with needles against their will. That should never be a thing in America. If a vaccine is safe and effective, people will voluntarily get them, ...or not, ...because (unlike abortion) IT'S THEIR BODY, THEIR CHOICE.
I never said he did, but I guarantee that eventually many corporations that hold de-facto monopolies/duopolies will try refusing important services to those that do not take a vaccine, because tyranny is what globohomos do by nature.
Are you lining up to be a guinea pig for other medicines that have been rushed to market and poorly tested just so the people pushing for it can make millions off of them? Or just this one?
I don't know if Trump is saying this stuff about vax to placate those in the admin he can't dispose of, or if he genuinely thinks a vax is a viable solution. Trump is a smart guy but not an immnlogist. I am. And there has never been a truly effective vax for such a virus; most research was abandoned years ago because of poor clinical trial results with severe reactions caused by secondary infection response post inoculation.
Yes he is. In non-clown world, the HCQ revelation should have taken care of that, but the media launched a campaign against it since there's no money to be made from it.
Thats fake news that there's no money to be made from it.
It's approximately $30-$40 for a bottle of 100 HCQ tablets for the patient (WuFlu treatment doesn't require that many) meaning it's really cheap to produce compared to the millions stood to be made from developing and mass administering a vaccine that they're trying to convince people is the only way to get their lives back to normal.
The media/Left is harping on "vaccine, vaccine, vaccine" and trying to convince others that there's no other treatment. In particular the most successful treatment of HCQ/Z-Pack/Zinc.
Not seeing what this is all about and not picking up on the media/Leftist agenda is what's asinine.
Why are we not talking about Hydroxycloroquine with Azithromycin and zinc? In ever damn study it's worked wonders. There is literally a treatment on the market right now and it costs a few dollars. Why is this not being pushed as the answer?
That, along with vitamin D, which every study shows has a major positive impact?
Please stop pretending there is no treatment, when there is one right in front of our eyes.
We have a treatment, we have/will have reliable supply chains for PPE. And if I know how Trump operates, we will not have to worry about having enough hospital beds for those who need them.
If and when a vaccine becomes available, I am confident Trump will make it available to anyone who wants one.
I understand why people have problems with his style, but in my view, Trump has been the best president of my lifetime. (Kennedy was president when I was born)
wish I could celebrate. my industry is being decimated.
my company just announced this morning it is laying off 50% of their workforce. That's about 35K people. Layoffs start 1 June. we have sites all over the country.
thanks you guys for shutting the country down over a stinking flu bug.
No vaccine, open the country, jail time for governors who broke the Constitution.
We need to stand up against this vaccine push, tracing, and lockdowns. Our liberty is hanging by a thread
and none of this "phased reopening" bullshit. We need 100% back to normal and nothing less. Do not comply even with the smallest "compromise" such as wearing a mask if they allow you to go to a store, or copy your ID to allow you to go out to eat. We will not be supporting the economy and giving them tax revenue unless they give us back our rights FIRST.
In my area they are requiring places to copy your ID if you are gonna be in there longer than 15 minutes or something like that. It's basically to start contact tracing
yea, nope.
deflect for past 15 minutes. watch them squirm.
Vaccine ID
Goes to show you vegans are not pushovers!
Not gonna happen if people keep stupidly mingling around as we open up.
People last month promised to wear masks when they reopen and they are not doing that, as expected.
The masks are not to protect you. It is to protect others so your nastyass saliva and snot don't get spread in the air when you sneeze and cough.
"Stupidly mingling" just like we always stupidly mingled since forever and yet still have thrived despite many diseases trying to kill us?
Fuck off shill :)
Yes. How dare people do people things. Oh the horror!
No chance any vaccine they make will actually be real anyway.
They still haven't developed an RNA vaccine in >78 years of trying.
Exactly. Where are the effective vaccines for other coronaviruses?
Technically there has never been a need this widely public and globally. Not everything is in a vacuum when it comes to the virus and politics.
I found the data-denier. Covid deaths are < flu deaths in the first year. The first year for a novel virus is grossly disproportionate to ongoing infections and deaths. What need?
Why is there a flu shot EVERY YEAR?
That is not a vaccine
Because there isn't just one single strain of influenza. It's very mutation prone, and each year there's a whole new "cocktail" of strains to attempt to inoculate people for.
I don't get them because for the past 30 years, my immune system has done a good enough job at staving off the flu. I'm not going to get jabbed unless I start getting sick every year. Gotta keep that immune system strong. It's also why I'm not worried about all the door handles, masks, or hand sanitizer bullshit. Exposure is a great vaccine.
I'm with you. I'm old enough that I'm retired and in the last 20 years I may have had a knock-me-on-my-butt flu about one time. I never get the flu shot, don't need it, don't want it.
I don't intend to wait for any rotten excuse for a "Covid 19" vaccine either. The key to that whole strategy is the vaccine providers will make a fortune from them, and they are apparently immune from prosecution for any issues arising from their potions. It's a risk-free license to make money. The motivation is too obvious.
Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ^_^
In all seriousness, I couldn't agree more. For me, I'm a teacher in a public school; I've been exposed to numerous strains of God knows what, so at this point I could probably go to a third world shithole unvaccinated and not catch a thing.
Because the flu is hundreds of hundreds of viruses, and includes coronavirus. And its novel every year. (this is a simplification but more or less true, who wants to discuss viral mutations and capsids in a comment)
Need? This virus is called SARS-CoV-2 aka Covid19. SARS-CoV-1 died off on its own in 10 months. No vaccine was created.
Need? This virus with its inflated mortality numbers just passed the 2017-2018 FLU season which killed 80,000+ Vaccinated Americans and we did not shut down over that. In Other news NY State cured all other causes of death?
Need? Iceland and Switzerland have solid proof that children under 10 are less likely to die from this than the flu, but they seem to have a natural resistance and in Iceland, no child has passed it to an adult.
Need? India has the same number of dead as California?
Need? SARS-CoV-2 has the same fatality rate is the FLU this year according to the CDC yet people will still tell you its 10X more lethal. (See Below)
Need? Sweden has the same death rate as the United States.
https://covid19dashboards.com/covid-compare-permillion/
2017-2018 Flu Season had 959,00 people in the hospital for the flu and 79,400 died
CDC is no longer reporting deaths from the FLU below is the last report from April 17th.
Current (APRIL 17th) US CDC FLU Numbers to date 24,000 dead (In 2018 we have 80,000 die from the FLU)
1,303,970 Tested nationally, 247,785 tested positive and 24,000 died
9.68% of everyone testing positive of the flu died this year
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
CDC Current US COVID 19 Numbers to date 68,279 dead
3,906,678 Tested nationally, 702,814 tested positive and 68,279 died
9.71% of everyone testing positive of COVID 19 died this year
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-swiss-children-under-10-allowed-to-hug-grandparents-as-they-do-not-transmit-covid-19-11980568
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/icelandic-study-we-have-not-found-a-single-instance-of-a-child-infecting-parents/
Wow! Looks like with all your downvotes people really think you are a dick, One_Eyed_Willy. YIkes.
I'd be especially concerned about DNA vaccines.
Yes and it doesn't work. You actually end up having a weakened immune system if you get the vaccine
It’s all about how it mutates. Those other viruses you mentioned don’t mutate as easily as strains of the flu and coronaviruses.
Big thing about the corona strains is the fact the other two major ones SARS and MERS basically disappeared after the initial run. There’s flare ups here and there for MERS, but it you don’t hear about it as often.
I think this is why Trump said it’ll disappear. Hell, even Fauci said they could disappear. No one knows yet, though.
Not quite. RNA vaccines are different than vaccines intended to treat RNA viruses.
RNA vaccines differ from normal vaccines in that they rely on the body to synthesize antigens from the RNA, and then the immune response is invoked. Normally, vaccines just inject antigens.
So yes, there are vaccines for viruses that replicate via RNA. What makes it hard is fast mutation (HIV) and many strains (flu, cold). Coronoviruses do fall into the latter type, but if there is only 1 strain of it, then there is a chance a vaccine could be developed. Some studies have reported that people cannot get reinfected, which supports that.
Obviously not true. I was just responding to what you said about measles and mumps.
The flu vaccine rarely covers more than half the strains for a given year.
The 80k deaths in 2018 are despite the widespread vaccine use.
It is true that a successful RNA vaccine hasn't been developed, but it shouldn't be conflated with vaccines to treat RNA viruses.
RNA vaccines are different than vaccines intended to treat RNA viruses. Measles, mumps, and rubella comes from an RNA virus, but we already have the MMR vaccine to treat it.
RNA vaccines differ from normal vaccines in that they rely on the body to synthesize antigens from the RNA, and then the immune response is invoked. Normally, vaccines just inject antigens. (link to read more)
That said, RNA viruses can be tough to develop vaccines for because of fast mutation (HIV) and many strains (flu, cold). Coronoviruses do fall into the latter type, but if there is only 1 strain of this one, then there is a chance a vaccine could be developed. Some studies have reported that people cannot get reinfected, which supports that.
There is a difference between a vaccine for a virus with RNA and an rna vaccine at least thats what I picked up over last few months. Not an expert but it seems like people are talking about different things
They've been wrong with all the flu types included in the vaccine the last two or three years so they don't really do anything.
FUCK a vaccine. It's a carrot on a stick. The Flu wipes out 50-60k every single year and we've never developed a successful vaccine for that. This COVID 1984 shit will be no different.
"Vaccines are coming" Is A Lie to keep everything shut down. WHY ARE WE LETTING FEAR MONGERING CRIMINALS CONTROL OUR COUNTRY!?
ENOUGH!!!!!
death for treason
Recall Whitmer. Get these governors out of office. They are tyrants.
He knows it's BS, he's just putting people's fears at ease.
Yep, he's never even wore a mask lol, knows its all BS now.
Wow yes that's a good point - didn't think of that.
I hope so. He is worrying me though. He appointed a big shot from glaxo to head up the vaccine task force yesterday. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-set-to-name-former-glaxo-exec-as-vaccine-czar-2020-05-13?reflink=mw_share_twitter
sounds communist...
Sounds like Obama.
I know it’s BS, but I’m taking advantage of some of the stocks right now.
What are you guys going to be saying later this year if one is developed and the president takes it?
Trump's public medical physical also says his flu vaccinations are up-to-date.
Same fucking thing.
They've had 17 years and couldn't make a SARS vaccine, SARS-2 has one in 10 months?
That is why he added: Likewise other solutions.
Yup
We're doing great down here in Florida. We opened up and no spike 🤷♂️
Because flu season is over.
Tbf, they initially said for America to get a "grippe" and that the China Virus wasn't a deadly as the flu.
Or because it's probably already spread to most?
Great news.
Same with Georgia.
Yup. Been watching Georgia because I'm in Jacksonville right on the boarder. First 2 states to ease restrictions 👍
DUUUUUUVAAAALLLLLLLL. Hollering from Lakewood.
Hollering from Argyle
Proud Georgian strutting like a peacock all the way to work here.
Meanwhile, in MN, we’ve closed pools and beaches the entire summer.
No one has any balls to just say, “You know what, life is full of risks. We are opening the damn pools!”
My guess: They have closed beaches and pools in MN for the summer but the drowning rate will go up, as more people attempt to cool off in hot July in lakes and rivers.
Fluid build up in the lungs? That's COVID-19. Not drowning.
If this were Reddit I’d have to do a double take. God I’m glad this place exists. Fuck that shithole.
Hell i'm in TN and they just closed state park pools for the year...fucking ridiculous considering it's routinely 90+ degrees
What the f—k? Bill Lee must be lousy.
What the heck Tennessee! Just wait. In a year or two the obesity rate will sky-rocket and they will be wondering why everyone is fat and vitamin D deficient.
I'm in NJ sitting at home... I love the area I'm in but the government sucks.
I won't gloat then. Praying for you and yours, 'pede!
Amen, but Kemp being overly cautious... why?
People wearing masks at the beach and stuff? I'm curious as to how tight a grip the fear still has.
I was at the beach last week in a southern state and most were not wearing masks. The few that arrived at the hotel in masks seemed shell-shocked upon arrival, but after a day or two, removed their masks to relax on the beach. People kept their distance, which honestly, they should anyway. I never liked it when I would set up our towels to enjoy a day at the Beach with my family and someone would swoop right next to us, even though the beach was not crowded. So I am happy people are now giving me space to have time with my family.
When I got out and about here in Jacksonville its about 30 to 70%. 30% wearing masks and 70% not. What I noticed the last couple times at the store is a majority of minorities were wearing masks. 2nd biggest group were soy boys wearing masks. My part of Jacksonville doesn't have many Karens so I cant comment on them. Luckily we're a military city and most don't believe this shit.
Went to the beach with my daughter yesterday. No one was wearing masks.
Good to hear, man. I lived in Daytona for two years, a long time ago. Enjoy the summer!
Thanks. Been down here since 08 and still not use to the summer. I call it swamp nut season.
LOL, as a northerner, I could never get used to Christmas without snow. Felt wrong, riding my motorcycle in my shorts on Christmas Eve, ducking beneath bridges for passing thunderstorms.
I'm thinking of getting the fuck out of California and moving to Texas. This is extremely comforting to hear. And don't worry, I vote red down the ballot.
This is the way...
We're better off than most. Family in Pennsylvania can't do anything.
They can, they are choosing to comply with unlawful orders.
The only reason unlawful orders are effective, are because the weak comply with them
As an Illinois citizen, I'd love to get back to being open. But we don't own the restaurants or the stores or the parks. We can't just march into a diner demanding to dine in. There's not much we can do if we don't own that kind of business.
Doesn't matter when the vaccine comes out. I won't be volunteering to take it. Fuck I hate living in WA State sometimes.
Maybe you should consider relocating
I would love to move to my neighbor Idaho some day.
You should do it!
We are in MN and plan to stay three more years, until my son graduates high school. He plays hockey.
Then we plan to move south to warmer weather and more conservative values. Although, I am at the point where I don't know if we will be able to wait three more years. We are about done with liberal MN.
He could try and play college hockey up north and you guys move down south when he is in college!
SC sucks, go to Florida instead (I’m from SC & being extremely serious without sarcasm).
That's the plan! I love the Carolinas, but North is getting so overwhelmed with liberals from the Northeast. We think South Carolina is a great state! Charleston, Hilton Head, Beaufort, Greenville, Lexington, Pawley's Island...I am shocked you think it sucks. It's one of our favorites! :) I am jealous you get to live there.
There are several reasons why I would advise against moving to SC UNLESS you pick Greenville:
The pros about SC are: Greenville (thank God I live closer to there than the other 2 out of the Big 3 cities). If you want the beach, go to Florida, if you want the temperate climate- go to Asheville NC, if you want the city life go to Atlanta.
Now Greenville is one of the BEST cities in the nation period.
You have to remember we are currently in MN. Even the negatives of South Carolina would be a step up for us! :)
I appreciate your perspective and thank you for sharing your experience living there. We spend much of the year frozen and surrounded by snow, so even just getting rid of those 20 below days will be an improvement!
Lot of Hockey in North Texas...
I am going to have to look into this...
We love Texas.
They're going to "force" you into taking it by saying you can't go to restaurants, etc unless you have it
Then those establishments don't deserve your business if they require a mask.
CA pede here. We are tearing down caution tape and stupid ass signs in our local parks every where we see them in our little Nor Cal town. We are reopening. Fuck Newsome, fuck the left, fuck Fauci, MAGA FOREVER!
And yet Generalissimo Garcetti has decreed masks everywhere for everyone when you leave your home in LA. And the assholes fall right in line. Karen will be out with her cell phone hunting for resisters this morning,
I’m beginning to think even the Karens are wearing down. In my neighborhood they’ve been pretty quiet, but when this first started in March they were on that Nextdoor Neighborhood app posting pictures of teenage boys daring to play basketball in the local park. Not so much anymore.
Everyone is tired of this bullshit and realizing the data does not match what we were initially told and the destruction of our economy has been worse for more families than the virus.
The sentiment on NextDoor this morning here in champagne socialist land was overwhelmingly "wtf, this has gone too far....Garcetti can stuff it. Don't be a sheep." I do believe the tide is turning.
What's sad is it took this much for them to begin opening their eyes.
A good bellwether for California is the VP at HBO. When he can't pay his private school tuition or is in danger of losing his house, that's when we break the glass and call bullshit. Not a moment sooner.
Garcetti sounds like an asshole but Lightfoot is worse.
Yeah...at least he's smart enough not to get caught getting his hair done.
Did this in Oregon.
Trucks had tape back up within FIFTEEN minutes.
Small random park.
might be worth a look:
recallgavin2020.com
all we need, like all we needed for all the previous "pandemics" is HERD IMMUNITY. All the past health scares still exist and can still infect someone weak enough:
They all still exist in the wild, you can still become infected and they still can kill a few people under the right conditions. Why don't we fear them? Herd Immunity. We developed herd immunity, developed treatments to help people who get infected fight and beat it and we take steps to safeguard those most vulnerable to it. We never locked down the economy, forced millions into business failure and bankruptcy, and never took away citizens' rights and freedoms over them. We never mandated masks to go out in public.
Life’s tough, wear a helmet. Or just stay in a padded room all day, dealers choice.
Even without herd immunity, this shit is fucking weak. It's a mild flu at worst.
For those who can't beat it with their immune system, HCQ is available, but the deep state is pushing back against that treatment because they want more death. In some hospitals, according to that one nurse, they are killing people who could have beat it by just sticking them on ventilators.
I would disagree, having been hospitalized with it. I almost died from this shit.
On the other hand, with an antibody level of +137, I don't need any hypothetical vaccine now.
edit: neither does anyone else with antibodies. If they ever do come up with a vaccine for this, which I doubt, they should exempt anyone with antibodies in their blood, like they do with measles. I think you'd be surprised how many people have already had it asymptomatically and now have antibodies to it. Well not you personally, I mean the public in general.
Just curious...do you have any reason that would make this virus nearly kill you, whereas Rand Paul has it and did not even feel any symptoms? Are you a bigger person? Diabetic? Older?
Wonder why some are asymptomatic and others get hit so hard?
Glad you recovered. I suppose it is a good feeling to know you defeated it!
My daughter had it from a coworker at her coffee shop, she is young, healthy with good immune and she was still very sick with "flu" for about five days then began to get better. Took about a week and a half to recover altogether. She said it is like a very bad flu, not an easy one.
glad you're okay, can i ask age, sex, rough body fat percentage, smoker, drinker, etc?
What i'm asking is how healthy would you consider yourself.
Ignoring things like quality of food, avoiding toxic products in daily life, etc.
Early 50s, male, somewhat overweight (BMI was about 36? I lost 20 pounds in the hospital, anyway, and I'm making an effort to keep it that way, I can fit into clothes I haven't been able to wear for years. Unfortunately that included that one pair of trousers that had poison ivy all over them and I was scratching for two days straight, I'd forgotten about those.) Non smoker, non drinker, non drug user, not diabetic, possible metabolic syndrome. They didn't do a single lipid panel in the hospital, which annoys me.
Might have pre-existing lung issues, a cardiologist told me 15 years ago that I might have exercise-induced asthma, but I don't exercise anyway so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Did tend to get out of breath easily, especially if I walked fast after eating. Suspect auto-immune condition going on based on 2018 blood work, was supposed to see a rheumatologist before all this shit happened. Just got an email that his office is starting to open back up, will follow up.
My wife had it with me, but she didn't need hospitalization, she wasn't anywhere near as bad off as I was. I did not need a ventilator thank $DEITY.
Why I got it worse? Who knows. I'm a pharmacist, it's my job to be face to face with sick people all day long. Maybe I got it from multiple people so had multiple strains simultaneously?
(/u/HockeyMom4Trump hope this answers your question as well.)
Thank you for the write up! I really appreciate the first hand account.
This is why I buy in on the anti-Fauci train...in what world has his policy ever been implemented? Yet he acts like it's established science despite it never being done that way...
Ummm none of those were controlled by herd immunity.
Herd immunity for Zika and Ebola?
Ebola was more about sanitation and confinement of actually sick people.
Zika was just needing to spray for mosquitoes.
You can stick the vaccine up Bill Gates asshole.
Sorry, not sorry. Trump will be walking a very thin line with any vaccine that gets forced onto the American people.
He will listen to the people like us pedes if enough of us say NO vaccines.
If he doesn't he will see massive negative consequences.
Has Trump seen this: https://thedonald.win/p/FMlhtXIz/guess-who-is-antitrump-but-the-m/c/
Gates is not Trumps friend.
He will of course not force it on anyone. I think he only mentions it in order to calm the paranoid and delusional hordes.
Ironically the people that want a vaccine the most are the same ones that were gung ho about "mUH eSsEnTiAL oiLs!"
Big Brain Time.
Trump is not going to force a vaccine on anyone.
But he needs to play the media game.
Low Energy
I don't give a shit about a vaccine.
wHy dO yOu wAnT to kiLL gRaNdMa??
No fucking vaccines
Yo fuck Bill Gates and his vaccine
Politics and microchipping us like dogs aside, his track record with fighting viruses is the worst in human history
Stop it with the vaccine. My family isn't taking shit.
I bet it's gonna be an optional thing anyway ;)
No doubt in my mind. Trump would never mandate something like this 👍
No vaccine
Not getting vaccine. Too much controversy around it. Don't trust it.
Fuck a vaccine. Especially one rushed. Years later when problems start to reveal themselves and the manufacturers have immunity. They can kiss my ass on me taking that shit.
Take this vaccine! Twenty years later everyone is sterile in the entire country.
AJ's Wednesday show mentioned that the WHO (or similar, on banned dot video) admitted recently that they are adding things to make people sterile. And aren't sperm counts, fertility problems, etc already bad compared to what they were?
Children of Men
"We figured it out!"
No vaccine
Vaccine should NEVER be mandatory because fuck holding people down and jabbing them with needles against their will. That should never be a thing in America. If a vaccine is safe and effective, people will voluntarily get them, ...or not, ...because (unlike abortion) IT'S THEIR BODY, THEIR CHOICE.
I never said he did, but I guarantee that eventually many corporations that hold de-facto monopolies/duopolies will try refusing important services to those that do not take a vaccine, because tyranny is what globohomos do by nature.
Don't count on an RNA vaccine. HIV still has none. And flu is hardly a vaccine.
RNA vaccines effectively don't exist.
but muh "everyone in the world is working on it so it will happen soon"
Fuck a vaccine.
The only vaccine this country needs is for shitbag governors and treasonous feds to be put in prison
Fuck a vaccine. At this point i want them to say there is one and just give a placebo shot to people who want it and stop the looming depression
Great news, but it scares me when he starts talking about the vaccine, I won't lie....
If people opt to get a vaccine, good on them. But how much you want to bet they'll be mandatory for schools and first responders.
I am sure they will be mandatory for schools.
If this happens, I will pay for a Christian school for my son. THERE ARE NO VACCINES FOR CORONAVIRUSES, ONLY SNAKE OIL.
You should do that anyway. We paid for private school for three kids but it was worth every single penny.
Gonna see a lot of angry momma bears then
Yup and they'll guilt you if you resist being forced with "do you want your kid to fucking die, you racist nazi?!"
Chip the kids and wait a few years for an entirely chipped population, yep.
Are you lining up to be a guinea pig for other medicines that have been rushed to market and poorly tested just so the people pushing for it can make millions off of them? Or just this one?
I got the ones for the lifelong debilitating and life threatening diseases.
I'll live through the 5 day sniffles.
I don't know if Trump is saying this stuff about vax to placate those in the admin he can't dispose of, or if he genuinely thinks a vax is a viable solution. Trump is a smart guy but not an immnlogist. I am. And there has never been a truly effective vax for such a virus; most research was abandoned years ago because of poor clinical trial results with severe reactions caused by secondary infection response post inoculation.
I think AJ mentioned that Trump had a family member harmed by a vaccine, so this might just be a trap for nwo scientists, to calm the public, etc.
I know he has to talk about the vaccine to soothe the normies, but I hope he realizes most of his base doesn't care because they won't be taking it.
I sure hope so. He did mention "other solutions" thus I can see him being aware.
Nothing you said has anything to do with my comment.
Yes he is. In non-clown world, the HCQ revelation should have taken care of that, but the media launched a campaign against it since there's no money to be made from it.
It's approximately $30-$40 for a bottle of 100 HCQ tablets for the patient (WuFlu treatment doesn't require that many) meaning it's really cheap to produce compared to the millions stood to be made from developing and mass administering a vaccine that they're trying to convince people is the only way to get their lives back to normal.
The media/Left is harping on "vaccine, vaccine, vaccine" and trying to convince others that there's no other treatment. In particular the most successful treatment of HCQ/Z-Pack/Zinc.
Not seeing what this is all about and not picking up on the media/Leftist agenda is what's asinine.
As long as the vaccine is optional. Otherwise there's gonna be big trouble.
Unless you are in a nursing home in a handful of Dem-run states on the east coast, your chances of dying from this flu are almost NOTHING.
Isn't it funny how the blue states have much worse numbers than anywhere else?
Why are we not talking about Hydroxycloroquine with Azithromycin and zinc? In ever damn study it's worked wonders. There is literally a treatment on the market right now and it costs a few dollars. Why is this not being pushed as the answer?
That, along with vitamin D, which every study shows has a major positive impact?
Please stop pretending there is no treatment, when there is one right in front of our eyes.
- Mike Rowe
- Mike Rowe (paraphrased)
- Abraham Lincoln (probably, but unconfirmed)
- GEOTUS (according to sources familiar with his thinking on the matter)
Nah Don no Vaccine for me. Vitamin D & Zinc I will take my chances using gods great creations.
LOL I chuckle over how you call the metal Zinc god's creation. Chemicals over devilous chemicals all day!
So you've seen a poem as lovely as a tree?
Shills in this thread, listen closely:
VSGEOTUS plays chess. Stop playing checkers.
The Art of War.
I have noticed the longer we stay shut down the more people are waking up to how important freedom is...
Unfortunately, there also seem to be a lot of people who are too comfortable with losing it.
Sorry, but FUCK their 'vaccine'
the vaccine is called herd immunity just open the fuck up
He is playing the liberal fools who will eventually vote for 45. Landslide victory 👌
PASS on the vaccine! Thank you very much!
I wish he would chill about the vaccine. I dont care what The Plan is.
fuck this vaccine, fuck Fauci, fuck Gates.
All bad news for DemocRATs
I love his optimism and confidence.
We have a treatment, we have/will have reliable supply chains for PPE. And if I know how Trump operates, we will not have to worry about having enough hospital beds for those who need them.
If and when a vaccine becomes available, I am confident Trump will make it available to anyone who wants one.
I understand why people have problems with his style, but in my view, Trump has been the best president of my lifetime. (Kennedy was president when I was born)
This vaccine push is gonna be the next thing. All vaccine 24/7. Unless they find something else to distract the useful idiots with lol.
We don’t need a vaccine.
It’s a win win for Trump. If it helps, he promoted and financed it. If it’s a disaster, the makers are discredited.
No vaccines. Full stop.
HCQ for everyone. No vaccines.
wish I could celebrate. my industry is being decimated.
my company just announced this morning it is laying off 50% of their workforce. That's about 35K people. Layoffs start 1 June. we have sites all over the country.
thanks you guys for shutting the country down over a stinking flu bug.
What industry is that?
GOOGLE KARL MANKE! STOP WHITMER!
Pretty soon we'll be back to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq4mlDc6Kv0